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EDITOR: After viewing the movie, 2016 Obama’s America, I am finally beginning to understand what our president has been tying so hard to do these past three years. He is doing whatever he can to make America into a socialist Islamic country.
Why does he feel he has the right to destroy one of the longest lasting democratic countries in all of the history of this world?
In present America, we still have substantial personal rights and great freedoms without overly strong governmental control over us. However, in socialist Islamic states, the government controls the entire life of its citizens.
There are numerous other countries in the world that have the type of government he is seeking here. In general the citizens of those countries are continually trying to get out of them and we will be very happy to exchange Obama and his followers here with any of those wishing to immigrate into America. It is now very clear that anyone who views this movie and still plans to vote for Obama this coming November can’t in any way call themselves a true American.
RAY LABAHN
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prime timeAugust 24, 2012 - 12:37 pm
Anti-Obama movie beats Batman, Bourne
James E.August 24, 2012 - 2:12 pm
Thank goodness that only a few will see the movie that "proves" President Obama is turning us into a socialist Islamic state. Pure nutso.
Phil veerkampAugust 24, 2012 - 2:38 pm
LINK TO . . . 2016: Obama's America . . . LOCAL THEATER VIEWING
R.J. CarterAugust 24, 2012 - 2:47 pm
I just read were "2016" had the second highest viewers per-screen-average among major releases this past weekend....The 200 theaters it debuted in were so over-run the showing was increased to 400 theaters which still wasn't enough and now is playing on more than 700 screens across the country... Plus, the film saw a nearly 300 percent increase over its previous week's total.....
James E.August 24, 2012 - 2:51 pm
R.J., of course there is high viewers per screen. Lots of peanuts, walnuts, and hazel nuts in the world. Have you seen it? Are you content now that President Obama is turning us into a socialist Islamic state? What was the proof?
Dink LaneAugust 24, 2012 - 3:37 pm
I have a real hard time taking the leap from "Removing a bust of Churchill" to a "hatred" of England. So when Bush took out Jefferson's Desk out of the Oval office, Bush "hated" the founding fathers?.... No, we would need more evidence....And the FALLACIES this movie makes from casual inferences and ambiguous statements are a LAW PROFESSOR'S dream of an excellent argument for a "Weak" and "Faulty" argument. .... Then the movies says "He has a secret plan" for the 2nd Term.... That's straight from the NRA: Obama didn't take your guns away in the 1st term BECAUSE he's going to take your guns away in the 2nd.... People who buy this WEAK and FLAWED argument are spin around and circles.. We need leaders who can think and analyze.... not regurgitate...(I don't think Romeny would even buy this C%$P)
James E.August 24, 2012 - 4:10 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Churchill bust was moved from the Oval Office to the White House living quarters. Sorry, but this doesn't mean he hates England. It means he loves England so much he wanted the bust closer to him when he's off the clock. As example, you have a pic of your wife at the office. Do you prefer to spend time at the office, or at home with your wife. This assumes, of course, you like your wife more than her picture.
R.J. CarterAugust 24, 2012 - 4:37 pm
James, Haven't seen it, I never go to moves, I just wait for them to be on cable.....So, you ask if I think President Obama is turning us into a socialist Islamic state?...I never thought so, but then Obama's good ol buddy Congressman André Carson, (who Obama invites to the White House to watch the Superbowl with him) said during a speech last May that American schools should be modeled after Madrassas (Islamic schools) and our children taught the foundations of the Quran...Obama never denounced that statement, so, you tell me......So, James, do you agree with Obama's friend Congressman Carson that American schools should be modeled after Madrassas (Islamic schools) and taught the foundations of the Quran???...
James E.August 24, 2012 - 6:07 pm
R.J., no I don't agree with him. Never heard of the guy, but sounds like he needs to be tarred and feathered. Religion has no place in the schools -- that's the function of parents and churches.
James E.August 24, 2012 - 6:15 pm
OK, looked him up -- Democrat from Indiana who is a Muslim. As usual with politicians, he quickly backtracked saying he was quoted out of content. How can so many be quoted so often out of context?
MorrisAugust 24, 2012 - 6:45 pm
Excellent points James. Well stated. Funny, but it seems to me that Bush was all about limiting our personal freedoms with new restrictions. Patriot act for example: Remember being able to use a PO Box as your primary address? Or when you could but a prepaid credit card or phone without registering your physical address and SSN? Or how about just not having your bank account scanned each and every night for deposits that are different from routine; not just those greater than 10k. Wiretapping without court order or approval. The declaration of war without actual approved declaration. Detaining based only on suspicion and held without trial indefinately? The rewriting of bankruptcy laws to ensure most every case is weighted so heavily towards the creditors that so heavily contributed to the PACs and Party of Bush. Or perhaps the thousands who gave up ALL their freedoms for a cause that was based upon a lie that Weapons of Mass Distruction were an imminent threat. Seems to me we got a bill of goods from our own personal Weapon of Mass Dysfunction. President Obama is simply the unlucky one left in position to clean it all up. It took Bush 8 years to bring this nation to its near collapse. I for one support our President but am not so naive to think anyone - Republican or Democrat - could possibly do so in 3 years. Anyone who does is the real 'un American'.
Phil veerkampAugust 24, 2012 - 7:09 pm
Morris, I can name 550 good things that came out of Iraq. THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!!There was a huge flap over whether or not Saddam was attempting to acquire yellowcake. It IS strange how little attention was/is paid to the yellowcake that Saddam HAD ALREADY ACQUIRED. . . LINK . . . . . . a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans . . . 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" . . . closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy
R.J. CarterAugust 24, 2012 - 6:55 pm
James, way off topic but, I know how you like to sometimes take little day-trips to hang out in oyster-bars along the Coast and guard us from Russian subs, so just a word of advise...The Mrs and I like to do the same, and last weekend after such a trip I came down with, well that's not important, but I got the condition from the local Pacific oysters being served..For some reason the farm raised west coast Miyagi oysters are hella bad right now, so If you go in the near future, you should stick to ordering the blue-points they import from the east coast...P.S.....Morris...Why don't you take a nice day trip to the coast and try the Miyagi oysters I hear their delicious....
MorrisAugust 24, 2012 - 7:31 pm
Thanks for dining tips. I'll pass, no room after eating all the delicious Lemmings. They are cheap, easy and the most unthinking of critters. They offer themselves up so easily. It's almost tragic to watch them feed upon meaningless and empty bait and trapped by their lack of critical thinking and abilty for analysis. But so delicious. Best served with a side of irony, eh?
James E.August 24, 2012 - 8:15 pm
R.J., thanks for the heads up but, believe it or not, I have never had a raw oyster. Big favorite of my fellow officers, but I never indulged. Lots of popular jokes about what they look like, so raw never appealed to me.
R.J. CarterAugust 24, 2012 - 8:18 pm
Dear Moronss...Your irony will be served cold this Nov. 6th, hope you can stomach that....
James E.August 24, 2012 - 8:20 pm
Mr. Veerkamp, name 549 good things that came from our adventure in Iraq? I'd ask you to name all 550 but, surely, one good thing must have come from our adventure in Iraq.
Rich, I guess Im not an true American any moreAugust 24, 2012 - 8:58 pm
“It is now very clear that anyone who views this movie and still plans to vote for Obama this coming November can’t in any way call themselves a true American.” I think for the second time in my life I just don’t know what to say............. do all the El Dorado County Chamber of Commerce members think like you do Mr. Labhan?
James E.August 24, 2012 - 10:17 pm
I'm not going to see the movie, but I am a true American. I know because when I enlisted way back in the early 50s I checked the block American.
James E.August 24, 2012 - 10:20 pm
Mr. Veerkamp, I just thought of something good that came out of Iraq -- advances in trauma medicine. But, at what cost?
Foaming at the MouthAugust 24, 2012 - 11:48 pm
I find that no matter how paranoid I get, it's never enough.
MorrisAugust 25, 2012 - 9:04 am
@Phil: Thanks for bringing facts to the table in your response. It seems most of the counterpoints from the other side of the fence never really include an actual counterpoint; just regurgitation of the same small words from the same small people. Insults wrapped in monosylabic patriotism. Meh...boring. Wondering tho why your counterpoint sidestepped the actual question on being lied to about WMD's? Counting all the good things that came out of a deception makes the deception no less a deception. Seems to me that someone - like say foaming -I starts a fire in August because he thinks it's going to rain but ends up burning 50 homes and 1 acre of pot, that we would celebrate the deeds of a good citizen in eradicating that crap from our county. I doubt people are that naive to fall for the bait and switch tactic used to avoid and spin the true and proven statement: Our very premise for going to war was a lie spun by Bush. That statement in no way takes away from the honor of those who have served nor negates any 'good' that has originated. The lie stands alone as fact.
Phil veerkampAugust 25, 2012 - 9:44 am
Morris, I reject your assertion that Bush lied. Your representation of "Bush lied" as FACT must be backed up by evidence other than an absence of WMD . . . unless of course your definition if a lie includes the weatherman who predicts rain and reality gives sunny clear skys and pleasant, gentle winds. Did the weatherman lie? Obama predicted a much improved economy. Did he lie or was he wrong?
Ken SteersAugust 25, 2012 - 9:39 am
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 For historical context it wasn't Bush who invented the stories regarding WMD's in Iraq. But it was Bush who ended the worry.
MorrisAugust 25, 2012 - 10:48 am
I'd like to pay Mr. Steers a compliment for a rebuttal well done. Well done indeed. Thank you for doing so. I'm going to step back and take time to review this Information; the points are compelling. And points such as these a few years ago moved me from pro-choce to pro-life. Never underestimate the power of a well thought out counterpoint. Our democracy provides that freedom and far too many people seem to take it for granted.
Phil veerkampAugust 25, 2012 - 3:01 pm
James E., you say, "I'd ask you to name all 550 . . ." OK I'll name all 550 good things that came out of Iraq. FOLLOW THIS LINK. . . a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans . . . 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" . . . closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy
James E.August 25, 2012 - 4:01 pm
Mr. Veerkamp, you're talking yellowcake, I'm talking advances in trauma medicine. Mark me down for trauma medicine.
RichAugust 25, 2012 - 5:58 pm
Phil Veerkamp, you should have finished reading the snopes.com story you copied. The yellowcake removed from Iraq was not the same yellowcake that Bush claimed, in a now discredited section of his 2003 State of the Union address, that Hussein was trying to purchase from Africa.
Phil veerkampAugust 25, 2012 - 6:24 pm
Rich, I think you mmiss my point. My point is this. It is irrelevant whether Joe Wilson was right or Bush was right about an aspirational purchase. SADAMALREADY HAD 550 METRIC TONES - enough for . . . a little quick math here . . . uh . . . 550 metric tons of yellowcake were removed from Iraq = 1,212,542 pounds of yellowcake were removed from Iraq - yellowcake = 75% uranium = 909,407 pounds of uranium were removed from Iraq - uraniun contains .72% U 235 = 6,548 pounds of U 235 were removed from Iraq - as little as 15 lbs of U 235 are required per bomb = 437 potential nuclear bombs were removed from Iraq. If Joe Wilson and MS Plame were right then Saddam was happy with 437 potential nuclear bombs.
Ken SteersAugust 25, 2012 - 8:35 pm
It's a fact that from 1983-1988 Iraq used Chemical War agents, Sarin, Tabun, VX and Mustard gas in their war against Iran. In 1988 Iraq used CW agents on a Kurdish town of 80,000 killing their own people. So I find it logical to believe that Iraq would use CW agents on other countries. I'm pretty sure that a preemptive strike against Iraq to prevent them from using more CW weapons against their enemies would have been easier to achieve before they were in possession of a nuclear weapon. CW's are classified as weapons of mass destruction.
Rich on yellowcakeAugust 25, 2012 - 9:21 pm
Phil Veerkamp - in support of George W. Bush your really starching things. I agree removing the yellowcake did eliminate a security concern. But with Saddan resources yellowcake/uranium is available on the world markets and can be purchased from over a hundred sources in the US alone, over 250 in the Soviet Union and eastern Europe and that many again in Asia, with China being the biggest supplier. But the act of shipping stored yellowcake out of Iraq was not as claimed, proof that Iraq had been purchasing uranium and attempting to restart its nuclear program prior to the US $37 trillion dollar US invasion.
DarrinAugust 27, 2012 - 8:26 am
If you think 2016: Obama's America is scary, you should see 2016: Romney's Rich Americans Pay No Taxes. Even more scary. No more middle class . Just Mitt and his buddies sailing around on yachts with the great unwashed serving them. I could hardly watch it.
John SavageAugust 27, 2012 - 5:18 pm
2016 another piece of right-wing propaganda filled with false information about the president. I'm sorry that people are so upset about the president being different from them that they have to resort to speading hate-filled lies. Mr. Romney says "Nobody ever asked me for my birth certificate." He thought he was telling a joke, but he was just pointing out the obvious: Nobody asked you for your birth certificate because you are the fortunate son of a governor. You have just the right skin complexion and you don't have a foreign sounding name.
ken steersAugust 27, 2012 - 7:02 pm
I liked John Savage when he played in the "Wonder Years". Now all he does is dish out the same old racist-phobia diatribe that the Obama FORWARD fascist propaganda team dictates him to say and think. He was much cuter back then.
Phil VeerkampAugust 27, 2012 - 7:08 pm
LINK TO . . . Tepublicuns are racists
NancyAugust 27, 2012 - 11:54 pm
I saw 2016 in El Dorado Hills. The theater was packed. This is a great movie made by Dinesh D'Souza, an Indian immigrant. Contrary to the opinion of some Liberals, this is NOT an Obama bashing film. However, in my opinion, formed before and after the movie, Obama's goal is to impoverish this country so that America loses its influence as a world power on this globe. IMO, if Obama gets another four years there will be no rich class because the rich will leave America. The middle class will be taxed to death until the only class left are the poor. Unemployment will skyrocket. He will gut our military/defense, eliminate our nuclear weapons, cede US sovereignty to the UN and leave us wide open for a foreign attack. He will not support Israel and it will be dangerous to be a Jew or a Christian in this country and the world. Mistakenly, Obama took on the dreams of his polygamist father, an anti-colonialist, a man Obama barely knew but missed and still misses dearly. I think Barack Obama was a wounded child because of his father's abandonment. While certainly not his fault, I think his political ideology was formed as result of this broken relationship and it isn't changing anytime soon.
33/3rdAugust 28, 2012 - 5:50 am
Go Obama!
Neil DonrusheAugust 28, 2012 - 1:51 pm
Nancy- love your dry wit and sense of irony. I bet lots of people take you seriously! Keep up the humor writing. Good job!
Elliott PointerAugust 28, 2012 - 2:01 pm
Some people will believe anything they see in a movie: — D'Souza rightly argues that the national debt has risen to $16 trillion under Obama. But he never mentions the explosion of debt that occurred under Obama's predecessor, Republican George W. Bush, nor the 2008 global financial crisis that provoked a shock to the U.S. economy. — D'Souza says Obama is "weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadists" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He does not mention that Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the drone strikes that have killed dozens of terrorists in the region. —D'Souza wrongly claims that Obama wants to return control of the Falkland Islands from Britain to Argentina. The U.S. refused in April to endorse a final declaration on Argentina's claim to the islands at the Summit of the Americas, provoking criticism from other Latin American nations. —D'Souza says Obama has "done nothing" to impede Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite the severe trade and economic sanctions his administration has imposed on Iran to halt its suspected nuclear program. Obama opposes a near-term military strike on Iran, either by the U.S. or Israel, although he says the U.S. will never tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran. — D'Souza says Obama removed a bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office because Churchill represented British colonialism. White House curator William Allman said the bust, which had been on loan, was already scheduled to be returned before Obama took office. Another bust of Churchill is on display in the president's private residence, the White House says. Article on the facts of this movie:http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-anti-obama-film-muddy-facts-072153385--politics.html
Sam Wilson, Cameron ParkAugust 28, 2012 - 2:26 pm
Sometimes I think that the Electoral College system is archaic and should be repealed. Then, I think about that theatre full of mindless gullible zombies like Nancy who accept all that nonsense, and I am so relieved to know that I live in a state where their votes won't count.
NancyAugust 28, 2012 - 4:26 pm
Neil, my comments were not intended to be funny. And yes, I am taken very seriously in the places I like to post. Sam, your comments tell me I am right on in my assessment of our president. Otherwise, you would not use name calling as a rebuttal which damages your credibility and causes you to lose the debate. And you may be very surprised at just how much my vote will count on November 6th.
Neil DonrusheAugust 28, 2012 - 5:19 pm
Nancy- love it! love it! Keep it up; I am rolling in the aisles! You are too much, girl.
JohnAugust 28, 2012 - 5:21 pm
James E: Churchill's bust was loaned to Bush after he had admired it while visiting Blair's office. Consequently, the loan was returned when Obama came in. Starting with Labahn's inflamatory comments, right through Nancy's dingbatisms, I pray, though I'm an atheist, that El Dorado County is only a cruel joke of nature, a place where the water, the wind and the Mountain Democrat conspire to produce a phlogiston-like substance that promotes bigotry, hate and ignorance: a neo-fascist trifecta.
chris FletcherAugust 28, 2012 - 5:35 pm
Hey Nancy- if you are so certain that Mittens will carry California, making your vote "count", you can make some serious money! There is a site called Intrade where you can buy futures contracts on the election results. At present, the market is predicting a 92% chance that CA will go to Obama. Since you know better, you can make a 1200% profit on your money! Go for it. Put your money where your mouth is.
martinAugust 28, 2012 - 7:29 pm
California will vote Socialist without a doubt. This state has gone to the dogs and there is no way of proving anything to a knot headed democrat; they all feel that there way is the only way;that is the reason Obama is going to fail.
Martin is a loonAugust 28, 2012 - 8:23 pm
Nice to know that his vote won't count either.
Roscoe_P_ColtraneAugust 28, 2012 - 10:11 pm
@ P.Veercamp. 550 good things that came out of the Iraq invasion is not the equivalent of 550 tons of anything. It's a single event, that would constitute one good thing, if it were true. Read the full link. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp Sadly, several "good" things occurred out of the Iraq invasion. Exposed deals with corporations Cheney had associations with to supply the US Govt with invasion and Iraq infrastructure rebuilding without going through the contract bidding process. The belief Iraqi oil sales would fund the rebuilding of Iraq, with US oil company help. Fabricating or exaggerating facts to get congress to go along with the invasion lest they be anti-patriotic. Cheney's double talk about the evidence pre and post invasion. Bush humorously looking under his oval office desk for weapons of mass destruction, while young men and women are killed an maimed in the Iraq war he orchestrated. Exposing Bush's childish mentality after landing on the carrier, in flight uniform, stating mission accomplished, like a kid in a cowboy outfit. And all the comic material he provided to those of use that saw the truth, when we felt like crying.
readerAugust 29, 2012 - 5:10 am
• “M O V I E”; • Entertainment; • Agenda.
A GrondinSeptember 06, 2012 - 10:32 pm
I saw the movie and if you're looking for proof it's in his actions. The national debt is increasing daily 5 times more than any president before Obama. Not to mention that our nuclear weapons are decreasing. I think that none of this has to do with a bust. What concerns me the most is that Friends of ours who have grown up and lived in communist countries see similar traits in Obama. They know what it's like to not have bread or have rights. I think this movie encourages everyone to dig deeper. I want to read both Obama's book and his half brother's. Honestly, it's not nutty or wacko to want to get to know more about who is leading our country whichever political party he is from. I do think that D'Sauzo looked at Obama's actions and tried to explain him. He didn't go into the search saying he's a communist and then try to find information supporting his theory. He found information then told his theory. It would ignorant and "wacky" not to take another look, especially when people who know him well are saying this. It has more to do than the bust, it's the interviews, the increase of information that seems to be hidden from us. He SSN is from 1860. There's just too much that's unaccounted for not to take a second look.
James E.September 07, 2012 - 1:23 am
His SSN is from 1860? Did we have Social Security in 1860? But, if you meant 1960, probably was included in his cover docs prepared by the John Birch Society prior to his birth -- and you thought he was a Marxist? Good cover always leads one off in the wrong direction.