Friday, April 25, 2014
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Second Amendment

EDITOR:

In response to Chris Daley’s Dec. 28 Opinion page column:

You quoted the Second Amendment correctly. However, like all good liberals you took part of the Second Amendment out of context and added your own interpretation to the statement, “A well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state…” To you, that sounded like the founding fathers intended gun owners to be members of a state or local militia and that you would be OK with that. However, after reading the full Second Amendment a couple of times, this is what I discovered. After “free state” there is a comma, not a period, which is used to indicate a slight pause.

…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (to destroy or hinder). And what part of infringed do you not understand? What does it sound like after reading it in full context? If history is correct there was no state militia; only local people who made up the civilian militia who fought the redcoats. By the way, the British started the revolution by attempting to take the arms and ammunition from the “people.” There was no government to raise taxes to pay for a standing army; there were just the people who were willing to sacrifice their lives and their future to remain free and not be subservient to the British.

Anyway, I bet your brother, the Conservative, will agree with me? Also, I bet you put this in your column just to pull our chains out there, knowing you would get a response like mine.

I always enjoy yours and Wendy’s columns, I just don’t agree with you guys on this one.

HERM WILMOTH
Shingle Springs

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  • Dink LaneFebruary 06, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    There is also in the CONSTITUTION...(BEFORE the 2nd Amended part) Article 1 Section 8. The Congress shall have power -- ....... "To provide for calling forth the militia to EXECUTE the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions."...... The government didn't have enough money to support a MILITIA (Federation Papers written 1786) so the people needed to keep arms to protect the Union..... NOT FIGHT the UNION or blow-up a movie theater or kill 20-1st graders ..... Oh Lord, I wish they taught HISTORY in our schools....

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  • chrispytahoeFebruary 06, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    The founding fathers were speaking of muskets. They had no idea where we would be today in terms of modern weapons. I own firearms. I fully support background checks, regulations etc. I am also not delusional enough to think this will prevent bad guys from doing bad things. But I have no problem tracking guns and gun sales. This country is severely screwed up in the head anyway. People freak about nudity and sex, but glorify violence at every turn. America has a deep psychoses.

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  • James E. LonghoferFebruary 06, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Mentioning that Americans freak out about nudity and sex, but less so about violence, made me remember when in Berlin we attempted to take our son into the movie Jaws. I thought the management was going to call the Police. They said children would NOT be exposed to the violence of Jaws. Yet, in Germany you can take children into sex shows. Just shows that societies have different values and rules. (No, I didn't take my son into sex shows in Germany).

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  • James E.February 06, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    Thinking that the German adversion to exposing their children to violence probably stems from their WWII activities. Just my guess.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 06, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    i guess our fore fathers were uneducated country bumpkins with no foresight

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  • James E.February 06, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    The founding fathers had foresight, but don't know if it reached 237 years into the future. I wonder how our decisions today (2013) will hold up in 2250.

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  • RichardFebruary 06, 2013 - 7:53 pm

    Herm, why is it according to you far right Republicans, liberals always take the second amendment out of context? All the rights in the Constitution have always been interpreted as not being absolute, especially when weighed against the public safety and the rights of others. If certain firearms pose enough of a danger to society by their mere availability, then they will be removed, constitutionally. It’s the NRA whose credibility is now being questioned when their leadership supported by the 90 million dollar a year gun industries preaches to its members that "the goal of people like Obama is quite clearly to destroy the second amendment and ban private ownership of firearms,” not even George Bush was stupid enough to believe this.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 06, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    Richurd is taking the entire constitution out of context. The rights mentioned therein are not granted by the Document itself, but by the Creator; "Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" meaning these rights cannot be separated from those to whom they are endowed. The gubmint didn't give 'em and the gubmint can't take 'em away. The Constitution didn't say "the people shall have the right to keep and bear arms...". It mentions this right as preexisting and recognizes the sovereignty of the right. My context is bigger than your context, Richurd.

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 07, 2013 - 12:30 pm

    Hey, I see on the news where a former LA police officer is exercising his second amendment rights to take up arms against a tyrannical government. Cookie, Paddy, Jack, Ken, and the rest of you teabagging extremists must be so very proud!

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    Shepp - Provide the name of the "teabagging extremist" who yesterday said: ”Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or or guarantee that we will bring uh uh gun deaths down to a thousand a year from, from what it is now.”

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    Shepp: Answer HERE

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  • Fred MonanhanFebruary 07, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    Evelyn. Nice try at deflecting Shepp's comment. Sorry, fail. Please play again.

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Fred: First off, Shepp's comment was nonsensical. Nobody on this forum is supporting random acts of violence, whether in the name of the 2nd Amendment or on any other grounds. Second: JOE BIDEN is the correct answer to my question. But I do agree citing Biden was to deflect nonsense.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Ban LA cops with guns!

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    Paddy: Reinforcements, at last!!! Lunch now.

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    He is taking up arms against a corrupt, oppressive government. Just the thing you advocate. His manifesto is there for you to read. He even uses that quote you like so much by Jefferson, about the Tree of Liberty, etc. Be proud! Own it!

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  • Lib-busterFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:22 pm

    Just like in the other recent mass shootings, I bet they find out the LA cop that went on this shooting spree is also a registered Democrat....

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:28 pm

    Not only is he a registered democrat, in a FB posting, he praises the honorable (sic) Diane Feinstein by saying "Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB". SO there you have it...another lefty gone off the deep end. Based on the history of mass shootings lately, a background check that simply determines the political affiliation of the gun buyer and rules out lefties may prevent lots of what we have seen. Truth?

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  • Lib-busterFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:32 pm

    Well...That sure does make Shepp and Fred LOOK STUPID!!!....LOL.....

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:35 pm

    He's also a Piers Morgan fan..."…give Piers Morgan an indefinite resident alien and Visa card. Mr. Morgan, the problem that many American gun owners have with you and your continuous discussion of gun control is that you are not an American citizen and have an accent that is distinct and clarifies that you are a foreigner. I want you to know that I agree with you 100% on enacting stricter firearm laws."

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:36 pm

    And an Obama fan..."You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama."

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:38 pm

    Shepp said "Hey, I see on the news where a former LA police officer is exercising his second amendment rights to take up arms against a tyrannical government. Cookie, Paddy, Jack, Ken, and the rest of you teabagging extremists must be so very proud!" So in light of the new evidence, are YOU proud Shepp?

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:53 pm

    Wow, it took you this long to figure out that he is a liberal. Congratulations, Sherlock. What tipped you off? The fact that he plastered it all over his manifesto? Nothing gets by you. The fact remains, liberal or conservative, that you bunch of paranoid nutbags are certain that the big bad government is coming to enslave you and that you better keep your guns ready so you can make a stand and go out in a blaze of glory. Yes, this guy is a liberal, but he subscribes to your paranoia and mental sickness, just from the other end of the spectrum. Can you understand that? Probably not, sadly.

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  • Cas MartinFebruary 07, 2013 - 1:56 pm

    Correct, Shepp. And I am predicting that everyone on Fox News will be positively crowing over this guy's liberal politics. Completely missing the point, of course, just like Paddy, Evelyn, etc.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:07 pm

    Shepp, you missed something; just got your @ss handed to you. Quit while you're just a little behind (pun intended).

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  • Cas MartinFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    Sorry Paddy, it is the other way around; Shepp OWNED you. You cannot respond to his point because you know he is right. All you can do is say neener neener, the killer is a lib! loser.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:24 pm

    Okay boys, let's go through this slowly; "Yes, this guy is a liberal, but he subscribes to your paranoia and mental sickness, just from the other end of the spectrum". His problem (as is yours) is that he is #1) a liberal #2) a very unstable guy. 100 million other gun owners did NOT kill anyone today. Comprendes? His "paranoia" is ABOUT gun owners, who have done nothing to him to start with. Your attempt to align this cuckoo with the average conservative gun owner is plain silly. The more you talk, the more you make other gun-phobe lefties look even worse, so stop already.

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:25 pm

    Shepp & Cas: What is your precise point? My ONLY point remains that nobody on this forum is advocating random acts of violence. As for the recent shootings, I know nothing about the shooter's (irrelevant) political proclivities. Purportedly, he wrote an 11,349 word document -- 17 pages, when put into Word. It is a rambling lot of nonsense, hardly constituting a "Manifesto". There's no way of knowing WHO wrote it, WHEN it was written, WHY it was written, on WHAT DATE it was written, or for WHAT PURPOSE. One could as just as well anonymously post a restyled Communist Manifesto, attributing to some poor sucker.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:27 pm

    Actually, don't stop. It's kind of funny to watch lefties make themselves and their species look stupid. Carry on. ;^)

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  • Lib-busterFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Like most left-wing wackos, they have the right to remain silent, just not the ability......So, on they go, continuing to embarrass themselves..........

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  • RichardFebruary 07, 2013 - 2:47 pm

    What do you call it when a gun club feels they should have unrestricted access to weapons that have no place in our society? What do you call a gun club that’s convinced its membership that it’s their divine right to have those weapons? What do you call it when a gun club lies to its membership and spends million to defeat those in public office who support gun control in the name of , “freedom and the rights of law abiding Americans to own guns." What do you call a gun club who feels that if laws are passed to restrict assault weapons they will wage war on America because, “it’s their birth right confirmed by the Constitution to have those guns. What do you call a gun club whose interpretation of the Second Amendment seems to put it to the right of not only most Americans, including most gun owners, but also the Roberts Supreme Court and even Justice Antonin Scalia, the most conservative of the justices. I would call it not a gun club but closer to an extremist group such as the one that helped inspire America’s worst act of domestic terrorism.

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  • George WillistonFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    It is interesting that so many people are quick to brand the guy a Liberal, when he in fact admired people from both the Democratic and Republican parties. He had high praise for George HW Bush, and he strongly preferred Huntsman over Obama. Sorry, Evelyn, but you would have to actually read the document to know that.

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  • EXSTREAMESTFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:05 pm

    I couldn’t agree more, EXSTREAMEST support by our 99 billion dollar a year gun industry.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    What do you call a poor slob who is a thoroughly irrelevant rambling dolt, and has no idea he is thought of this way. A: a Richurd.

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:10 pm

    It is so amusing to watch Pattycakes and Libbu fall all over themselves. When a right wing nut threatens to use deadly force if he perceives that the government has turned against him, he is a Patriot. But if a disgruntled LA cop who has been driven over the edge by his perception that government employees have conspired against him, why, he is "unbalanced". Nice try, kids. It is 2 sides of the same coin. You should be cheering. This guy is one of your own.

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  • DeeFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:16 pm

    There seems to be alot of hoplophobics around today.

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    "What do you call a gun club who feels that if laws are passed to restrict assault weapons they will wage war on America." ~ Richard ********** I call the author of the words UNINFORMED. But, as usual, Richard cannot produce a supporting reference.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:31 pm

    Shepp, "When a right wing nut threatens to use deadly force if he perceives that the government has turned against him, he is a Patriot" Can you give us an example of someone here either making the referenced threat or cheering one who has please? And RE: "This guy is one of your own.", it's so cute to watch lefties throw each other under the bus when one goes over the ledge...We're having some fun now.

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:36 pm

    George Williston is right. One DOES need to read the screed to fully appreciate the politics. The "Manifesto" has gems like: "Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be "Tebowing" when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez. ... Jennifer Beals, Serena Williams, Grae Drake, Lisa Nicole-Carson, Diana Taurasi, N’bushe Wright, Brenda Villa, Kate Winslet, Ashley Graham, Erika Christensen, Gabrielle Union, Isabella Soprano, Zain Verjee, Tamron Hall, Gina Carano, America Ferrara, Giana Michaels, Nene, Natalie Portman, Queen Latifah, Michelle Rodriguez, Anjelah Johnson, Kelly Clarkson, Nora Jones, Laura Prepon, Margaret Cho, and Rutina Wesley, you are THE MOST beautiful women on this planet, period. Never settle, professionally or personally. ... Larry David, Kevin Hart, the late Patrice Oneal, Lisa Lampanelli, Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld, Louis CK, Dave Chapelle, Jon Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Dennis Miller, and Jeff Ross are pure geniuses. I’m a big fan of all of your work. ... My mom ... let me stay up late and watch George Carlin, Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor comedy specials with her for hours. ... It's time to allow gay service member's spouses to utilize the same benefits that all heterosexual dependents are eligible for. Medical, Dental, Tricare, Deers, SGLI, BX, Commissary, Milstar, MWR, etc. Flag officers, lets be honest. You can't really give a valid argument to as why gays shouldn't be eligible as every month a new state enacts laws that allow same sex marriage."

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:36 pm

    Pattycakes - how disingenuous of you. Especially you.

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  • James E.February 07, 2013 - 3:38 pm

    Haven't we exhausted the pro/con gun arguments with absolutely no consensus? Change of topic? How about the upcoming sequester. Will cutting the Pentagon business cause massive layoffs? Or, will the House fold at the last moment?

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  • George WillistonFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    Congratulations on learning how to copy and paste, Evelyn. Dee, get some treatment for your Sophophobia.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:45 pm

    Shepp, "Pattycake" is an affectionate term used by only good friends of mine. I hardly know you. But since we've already moved into affectionate nickname phase, what shall we call you? How about "Sheep"? Nice ring to it.

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    Oh, snap!

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 3:56 pm

    George: You should already know that for the sake of accuracy and efficiency I copy and paste all the time. Gimme a break, boy. Surely you don't expect all 11,349 words to be typed for your convenience one letter at a time!!! Oh, by the way ........ didn't you just LOVE that selection? DEEP.

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  • RichardFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:01 pm

    Why did two previous generations of NRA leaders support what still stand as America’s two most important pieces of gun control legislation, while today the NRA and the mob that follows it reject any gun control measures out of hand? Screw the new NRA....

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:03 pm

    Richard: How should I put this? Um . . . as usual, you are being "inaccurate".

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:09 pm

    This, then I'm "movin' on" to something more interesting. George has a thing about "cut & paste". I, however, think c&p is god's gift to us lazy folk. But what's to be said about SLOPPY c&p? The suspect "Manifesto" ends not a bang but with a whimper. A badly done c&p job, the final paragraph leaves us hanging mid-sentence. I continue to ask: "Who dun it?"

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:10 pm

    Richurd, on behalf of the new NRA, "Screw Richurd".

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  • RichardFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    "When a right wing nut threatens to use deadly force if he perceives that the government has turned against him, he is a Patriot". Give us a break! Is that how you see yourself, a Patriot! Your one sick guy/girl.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:23 pm

    @ Richurd, Dude; read first, comment later. That was a quote from Sheep, not me. I hope he's not offended at your post.

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  • RichardFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    Get your guns NRA Patriots, their coming; What do you get when you combine the president's ability to secretly kill American citizens and the recent push to restrict gun access? One of the most bizarre anti-Obama conspiracy theories ever—and it takes a lot to win that prize. Various tea party activists, libertarian websites and other conspiracy-minded Obama haters are claiming that Russian security forces have discovered that Obama is about to unleash "death squads" across America to assassinate defenders of the Second Amendment. According to Liberty.com, one of the sites perpetuating this latest story, Russian intelligence has outlined the whole nefarious plot in a memo for President Vladimir Putin, detailing the Obama's administration's dispatch of "VIPER teams...which is the acronym for Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response Team, a programme run by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and whose agents terrify millions of Americans with Nazi-like Gestapo tactics on a daily basis at airports and who report to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)."

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    James, I heartily agree, this topic has outlived its own relevance here. I'm quite surprised that, given the short attention span of the average majority voter, that this has survived the Super Bowl. Next, please? I've seconded your implied motion, anyone third?

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  • GeeFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:40 pm

    The hatred and conspiracty theories are getting far worse in Obama's second term.It is the new plots that Obama is killing Americans or setting up these horrific tragedies for his own agenda.It is beyond sickness and how does one deal with this rhetoric which is on most sites. The true believers are intent upon their beliefs that Obama is out to get them

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  • Lib-busterFebruary 07, 2013 - 4:52 pm

    Everyone knows the Lib's aren't "setting up" these horrible tragedies, but they sure do like to use them for their benefit.....

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    Richard: Do you know the difference between INFORMATION and DISINFORMATION?

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 5:38 pm

    James: Earlier you proposed changing the subject. You and Paddy are correct: This one has been rung dry. The possibility military sequestration would make a great LTE. Why not do it?

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