Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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$300,000 waste by BOS

EDITOR:

I cheered when I learned that Doug Veerkamp found a way to save $300,000 on the Western Placerville Interchange Project with a small and logical change to avoid building a temporary retaining wall. This was followed by total disappointment and irritation when it was disclosed that our Board of Supervisors is so inept, with so many interest conflicts, that it will cost the taxpayers that $300,000 to build a useless retaining wall that will have to be torn down for the next phase of this project.

It appears that none of the supervisors would benefit financially from these savings, and neither would the contractor. I am dumbfounded and angry that our taxpayer funds are being wasted with such total disregard. It indicates poor planning for the interchange project in the first place not to have seen this problem, and poor county management that when there is a total benefit to the project with no benefit to individual board members, they could not take action. No wonder the public is generally disenchanted and disgusted with the Board of Supervisors.

SUE RODMAN
Placerville

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  • JimBoJuly 18, 2013 - 3:25 pm

    Oh Sue, if you only knew what was going on behind the scenes regarding the Briggs family and this project. I don't know why you are getting upset about a small little amount being wasted like $300,000??? The County is wasting tens of millions on this project and the improvements aren't just for the court house. After all, against the County Auditor Joe Harn's advice, the BOS decided to bestow a gift of your taxpayer money of $2 million to the near broke City of Placerville to expedite the construction of these improvements of the addition of on ramps and off ramps to the bridge to no where. Necessary for the Ray Lawyer Commercial Subdivision (owned by John Briggs) and the future court house. We won't talk about the abutting parcels owned by Ron Briggs that are benefiting from these tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars. Nothing like land speculating on the taxpayers dime with a guaranteed financial outcome - free improvements - Thank you Taxpayers!

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  • EvelynJuly 18, 2013 - 4:33 pm

    SPEAKING OF COUNTY-APPROVED FINANCIAL MISADVENTURES: • Bicycle path to Nowhere: Next time you’re in the area of Office Max / In-N-Out Burger, behold in wonder the county’s unusable bicycle path dead-ending into a concrete wall at the freeway. Price tag: $5M. To fix: reportedly $10M. • Tyler Technology’s Enterprise Resource Planning (IT) computer software which seems to be hitting its own concrete wall: Price tag: $5.6M and counting. • Mental Health: $7M unrecoverable from the state several years ago because of a “computer glitch.” Let’s hope there are no more “computer glitches”. These are just some handy examples. Feel free to add to the list.

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    Here is the basic list of what will bring El dorado County to its knees...a) History, Arts and Culture b) Public Facilities and Maintenance c) Economic Development d) Community Planning, Identification and Design e) Transportation Infrastructure and Planning f) Public Health/Mental Health g) Social Services h) Law Enforcement i) Technology Development j) Other related areas of county, city, or special district services. People will now start bidding for money/grants--good luck El Dorado. http://edcapps.edcgov.us/contracts/pdf/14-918-008.pdf

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 6:35 pm

    Many places are already looking for grant writers-if grant writers or grant writer companies can guarantee results---figure out who is backing them...told you this was coming.

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 6:38 pm

    interesting... (from link above) "Public Records Act: All proposals shall become public information at the conclusion of the selection process, with the exception of those portions of a proposal that are identified at the time of submittal by the Proposer as trade secrets and/or which are deemed by the County as not being public documents that must disclosed under the Public Records Act, or other appropriate statutes and regulations. Pricing and service elements of the successful proposal will not be considered proprietary information. Proprietary information shall be submitted in a separate sealed envelope clearly labeled as proprietary with the RFP number on the outside of the envelope. All materials submitted in response to this Request for Proposal shall become the property of the County and will not be returned."

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 6:40 pm

    http://edcapps.edcgov.us/contracts/invite.asp

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    [PDF] What is the General Fund? - El Dorado https://www.edcgov.us/CAO/2013.../2013-14_CompleteDocument.aspx

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 6:45 pm

    sorry last link not working--but ill figure it out...

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  • FranJuly 18, 2013 - 9:22 pm

    Residents wary as Detroit faces uncertain future in bankruptcy http://tinyurl.com/lvvv95g Detroit marketed "tourism" as well...heads on beds...now there is just empty beds.

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  • Foaming at the MouthJuly 18, 2013 - 11:11 pm

    Fran - I don't think that promoting tourism is how Detroit went BK. give your agenda a rest for once.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 5:27 am

    Foaming, Detroit is broke for the exact same reason every other leftist utopia is broke. The people who vote for a paycheck outnumber the people who work for a paycheck. I guess now making any mention of that fact is now an agenda.

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  • EvelynJuly 22, 2013 - 7:17 am

    "Here Come Those Municipal Defaults That Everyone Said Couldn't Happen" - HERE

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  • EvelynJuly 22, 2013 - 7:24 am

    "25 Facts About The Fall Of Detroit That Will Leave You Shaking Your Head" - HERE: 20) When you call the police in Detroit, it takes them an average of 58 minutes to respond.

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  • FranJuly 22, 2013 - 8:03 am

    Foamimg...I dropped links showing it was part of it...I also showed how we are following the same path with over "spending" on a variety of things...wasted money on web portals...seeding useless grants...allowing un elected people to have the power to even suggest insane ideas. El dorado already has several web sites. I showed where using Tyler Technologies (by links) was not researched--not my fault Detroit also used them. But I guess i can re drop all the links again. My favorite links are the "live,work,and play" idea of mixed development. The same ideas fit Stockton and other places that have or are going under...marketing tourism...web portals...thousands--no hundreds of thousands spent on bikes and trails. Foaming--I wish it were only my reality--it is not. Im sorry people are not looking to what has broken down cities...because the same thing is happening here in El Dorado. People being fired--so that an unqualified person can run several departments with a higher pay check. No--not just marketing "tourism"...but I have proved that over and over. Cities are not spending huge amounts of money on their residents--or it would have already been done. They are trying to get people to come here--just like every other place in the States ...but no one has money. California...has always banked on "tourism"...this is the first time it has forgotten the people who actually live here. California Vacations and Tourism: 9,048 Things to Do in California ...http://tinyurl.com/klesr4u

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 8:57 am

    The poor and downtrodden in New York are sending their welfare and foodstamp purchased groceries to people in other countries. The practice is in such high demand that the local grocery stores stock 55 gal drums for them. Your tax dollars at work. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/it_on_y22owkLpsldSAjDVC9isjM

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 9:10 am

    More of the same. Our race to the bottom under obama has many rewards if you are one of the criminal accomplices. Last year obama's home state of Illinois only wasted $52 million on their food stamp program which has exploded under obama so as a reward the USDA will award them $4 million. But still no Whitehouse tours. http://watchdog.org/96500/illinois-rewarded-for-misspending-only-52-million-on-food-stamps/

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Altas Shrugged was published in 1957, around the same time Detroit had the highest per capita income in the nation. This article takes a few excerpts from it which are scary prophetic when compared to Detroit today. Democrats have controlled Detroit since 1962. It seems to me the left has categorized Ann Rand as a hater. It is their -one size fits all- answer to anyone who understands leftism for what it is. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100227375/obamanomics-is-turning-america-into-detroit-ayn-rands-starnesville-come-to-life/

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  • FranJuly 22, 2013 - 10:18 am

    Someone should tell them--they are bankrupt. this is how our development leaders will continue even after nothing is left. this idea of let it burn to the ground--in order to rise from the ashes...seems magical...not going to happen...not for all the places going under...Europe has yet to bounce back. Detroit economic leaders: Development dollars not at risk, convention traffic so far remains unaffected http://www.mlive.com/business/detroit/index.ssf/2013/07/detroit_economic_leaders_devel.html

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  • FranJuly 22, 2013 - 10:30 am

    Economic Development Strategy: London...they thought it would work as well...evidence based...reads like ours...uh? Promoting business...visitors...thinking the Olympics will save a community...I can find links from all over the world. Same words...same ideas...burn it all down--flick the bankruptcy switch--and it will all be better. http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/business-economy/publications/economic-development-strategy

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  • PvillejackJuly 22, 2013 - 11:10 am

    I love the way these discussions embark on a race to the bottom of the barrel. The discussion started out about the $300,000 wasted because of our Board of Supervisors' ineptitude. Closely linked to this waste is the Briggs family doing everything possible to have their development adjacent to the new courthouse subsidized by the taxpayers of this county and the city of Placerville. This project is yet another classic example of the good old boys in this county lining each others' pockets.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    pvillejack, care to enlighten us on why the sac bee won't give a suspect description on these armed robberies over the weekend? The Sac PD has given a description of the suspects but the sacbee won't. They won't go any further than ages, height and hoodies. http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2013/07/rash-of-midtown-armed-street-robberies-have-police-on-alert.html

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  • FranJuly 22, 2013 - 12:30 pm

    Pvillejack...it doesnt all fall to the BOS...you understand that their are people higher on the ladder right? If people are unhappy with the BOS...get them out of office. And vote for the next crew (it will not get rid of the problems.) You do have to have evidence--or they are all innocent until proven guilty. Did I mention I have links of other boards across the states making bad choices as well. Dont dismiss the bigger picture because of the smaller parts. El Dorado County is failing...and the BOS is just a small part...start looking at these economic development groups and their sub committees...advisory boards-- that have come in to decide for a whole...they connect outside of this county--to some very powerful people. I bet the BOS wishes it had that much power...I know I would if I were them. No one scraping the bottom of any thing--this county hasnt seen any thing yet...people just have different passions...is something wrong with the BOS--yep no disagreement there. The bankrupt switch will not help them in the end either.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 12:39 pm

    Fran, pvillejack is not equipped to deal with the reality that all of this is totally and unquestionably traceable directly to those who are against LIMITED government, which includes himself. He believes leftism/socialism/progressivism/communism leads to utopia and not endless corruption. Leftists like pvillejack call it voting for your own interests. This country is broke beyond measure because of the millions who vote for their own interests.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJuly 22, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    Evelyn, you read Zerohedge? And the Economic Collapse blog? Excellent? Those are two of my bookmarks.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJuly 22, 2013 - 3:20 pm

    Should read "Excellent!"-no ?

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  • EvelynJuly 22, 2013 - 3:46 pm

    Hi, Paddy. Indeed I do. But what a treat to find that someone -- you! -- actually begins reading these threads from the top, working their way down. Often that's the only way to make sense of conversations.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 4:29 pm

    Zerohedge is a great site. They have been talking about the municipal debt bubble for years.

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  • PvillejackJuly 22, 2013 - 5:24 pm

    Hey Cookie, What does the arrest have to do with the ineptitude of our BOS? Also, these broad, unfounded statements about people that you make are laughable, and your extremist ideology is frightening. As to other BOS having problems across the state, no surprise there.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    pvillejack, if you consider the corruption in government going on all over this country "having problems" then I guess I am an extremist. I was looking for your opinion on why The Sacramento Bee who adoringly covered the justice for Trayvon demonstrations cannot bring themselves to give a description of the thugs who robbed several people at gunpoint in downtown Sac over the weekend and news10 and kcra didn't even mention it on their website as of a couple of hours ago. Who are they worried about offending? Maybe eric holder of the just-us department will charge them with a hate crime for reporting the truth.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 8:04 pm

    Here is another extremist for you. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson "When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe." Thomas Jefferson "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." ¬ Thomas Jefferson "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." Thomas Jefferson "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    The Constitution was written specifically to protect the American citizens from the government we have right now.

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  • cookie65July 22, 2013 - 8:18 pm

    Who speaks the truth and who is the liar? “experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” – Thomas Jefferson “Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.” – barack hussein obama

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 22, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    hater!

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    I understand why Jefferson didn't like taxes. Word on the street is that he was very close with a buck.

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:15 pm

    Darn, Jefferson said a lot of things? Did he not take any time off and just relax his prose?

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    I visited Jefferson's home in Virginia. Great foyer, study, dining room, Den, but a small bed?

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    The back of the home is the view you get on the nickle. Am I the only Jefferson scholar? A little Jefferson knowledge help here please.

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:23 pm

    There was no kitchen on the living level. It was in the basement where the slaves would cook the meals and the food was brought up on dumb waiters.

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    No rebuttals?

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  • James E.July 22, 2013 - 9:33 pm

    I could talk about his slaves, but Mr. Jefferson doesn't do well in that area. No, not his girl friend, rather his slave business practices. But let's not go there -- best to just continue to think of him as a founding father who was perfect. I now recede into my shell and wish you all a good night and a great tomorrow. You too Mr. Jefferson, wherever you are.

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  • clleaJuly 22, 2013 - 11:00 pm

    Thomas Jefferson. Didn't he also father 6 children with Sally Hemings one (of many) of his black slaves? Hypocrisy was also part of the birthing process that has not ended. And, there are probably a few that think this is ok because he was Thomas Jefferson.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 4:26 am

    cllea, here is your morning koolaid. This nutcase professor of sociology says the government needs to regulate the use of air conditioning unless we'll all die. He makes a statement that fits perfectly into that void between your ears. He say, we are burning thru fossil fuels in suicidal fashion. cllea, did you know you didn't need a brain to be a professor of sociology? All you need is an ability to spew leftists garbage that justifies unlimited government control and power. http://www.news10.net/news/article/251443/2/NY-professor-suggests-regulating-air-condition-to-cool-global-warming

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 5:17 am

    Speaking of slavery. obama is running around pandering to his base about minimum wage which is important to them since it is all that most of them are qualified to earn. Also to change the subject of all the corruption and scandals. In the mean time the obama Whitehouse has hired 147 summer interns who work 45 hours a week without any pay. It is good to be king. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2374471/President-Obama-refuses-pay-interns-campaigns-raise-minimum-wage.html

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 5:34 am

    cllea, suppose that Tom loved Sally. Is it the interracial thing that bothers you,cllea,?

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 5:39 am

    James, did you see the latest demonstration against an insensitive youtube video that turned violent? obama was right, Al Qaeda is on the run. How come everything he touches turns into a steaming pile of obama? http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/22/us-iraq-violence-idUSBRE96L0RM20130722

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 6:02 am

    So in Harlem they had some thugs running around attacking people with hammers. Will sharpton organize a micro-march there to protest? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/harlem_hammer_horror_2iER7xEUT84siclMj1422H

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 6:08 am

    13 year old girl gang raped by more than a dozen illegals (undocumented democrats) in Texas. Will the race hustlers demonstrate? http://www.examiner.com/article/more-than-a-dozen-illegal-aliens-gang-raped-13-year-old-girl-texas

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 6:21 am

    Leftists only ever have one thing on their tiny minds. More government, more government regulations. http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/07/22/dem-senator-roller-coasters-need-more-federal-regulations/

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  • EvelynJuly 23, 2013 - 6:34 am

    HERE: The insanity of what we’ve done since 1971 is almost too crazy to comprehend. In the first 182 years of our existence the leaders we elected to steward the nation accumulated $400 billion of national debt. . . . Bush’s worldwide War on Terror, expansion of the police state, tax rebate stimulus idiocy, and expansion of the welfare state (Medicare Part D) drove the national debt up by another $2.2 trillion in just eight years, a 40% increase. . . . The country continues to add $2 to $3 billion of debt per day. Consider how insane it is that we now accumulate more debt in half a year than we did cumulatively over the first 182 years of our existence as a country.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 6:49 am

    exponential growth sucks

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  • EvelynJuly 23, 2013 - 6:50 am

    "The Tip Of The Iceberg Of The Coming Retirement Crisis That Will Shake America To The Core" - HERE

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 6:57 am

    Phil, they may have isolated the molecule responsible for the mental illness of leftism. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2372305/Scientists-discover-brains-misery-molecule-affects-stress-anxiety-depression.html

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  • FranJuly 23, 2013 - 6:59 am

    Why Washington Won’t Bail Out Detroit — The City http://tinyurl.com/lfs5yes It has been "projected" that 100 other places are now in jeopardy of going bankrupt. Hopefully this estimation is wrong. I just do not understand why people are not learning from the experiences of the places going under.

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  • EvelynJuly 23, 2013 - 7:02 am

    Cookie: Though clever, your statement is misleading regarding the link you posted.

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  • FranJuly 23, 2013 - 7:06 am

    After the meeting last night--I was fortunate to listen to two people who actually know the history of Pollock Pines and Camino better than any one Ive heard talk before. I watched them go back in forth in remembering and discussing changes in Pollock. I told them that they should do a DVD of both of them talking--and allow the rest to have a copy. There are many here who could do that-- tell the history of Pollock and Camino--I for one, would love to hear and listen to the stories of this place my grandson was born into. An old town meeting--The Sheriff speaking--Hearing live details of the history up here...for me--it does not get any better than that.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 7:11 am

    Evelyn, from you 6:34 link. The author makes a couple of points that go a long way to explaining the complacency which has allowed this insanity to take place right under the noses of the American people. While the elite have been taking America to the cleaners the women have been tuned into dancing with the stars and the men have been tuned into the sports channel. The Bolshevik's managed to loot all of Russia and enslave the people by simple providing lots of cheap vodka. Years ago a came across a statement that has always served me well to remember. Public opinion is the sum of all ignorance.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 7:18 am

    Cookie, INDEED! Liberalism is a mental disorder. Thanks for the proof. Spread the misery so miserable people will have company and feel normal. Rush has the answer. If there is depression DON'T PARTICIPATE.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 7:20 am

    Evelyn, this is from zerohedge back in March of 2012 talking about the unfunded pension tsunami. http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-11-14/broken-promises-pensions-all-over-america

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 7:30 am

    Fran, I would bet that Washington will not bailout Detroit. Rewarding failure is one of the doctrines of leftism. Imagine, once they bailout Detroit there are lots of other cities and states run by leftists who will demand the same. Learning from experience make obama a one term president. Learning from experience isn't necessary when you are spending other peoples money.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 7:34 am

    correction.... scratch "would"... insert "wouldn't"... after all the failure of Detroit is because of racism.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 7:42 am

    Evelyn, the question becomes which stops flowing first, the pension checks or the welfare checks? The truth is the pensions are not as large as the healthcare obligations to all of those retiring baby boomers who will consume more healthcare in their retirement years than they have during their entire lives. The left has slaughtered the answer to this quagmire, free enterprise and 50 million more taxpayers. God bless planned parenthood.

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  • FranJuly 23, 2013 - 7:50 am

    Cookie...why do you think so many are buying into the "Bankruptcy Switch?" They have collectively destroyed communities through the same things--the same words--in some cases...the same people...Im trying to understand--just not getting it. Someone last night said that the groups all need to work together...or we will get nothing...groups have always worked together--until now. Even last night people were still arguing about an advisory board...at a very "neutral" meeting. Advisory boards are part of the problem in these down falls of communities...there is no extra layer of government..I voted for the sheriff...he is who I wanted to listen to. As he was talking about his budget cuts--I kept looking at Harper whose group is spending 100,000 dollars on a web site (out of the general fund--same place the sheriff gets their money)--when we already have web sites that can be linked together. (Web log 3, 7:48 commander Fran on responding to the Bos Wasting money.)

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 7:59 am

    Evelyn, my statement is not misleading. This molecule according to these scientists is responsible for all the feelings of stress and anxiety. In a nutshell, emotionalism. What is leftism other than emotionalism. Wouldn't it be great if they come up with a drug that can cure leftism. I bet obamacare won't cover it.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 8:11 am

    Fran the unions and the left are like Siamese twins. Without the unions the left has no money and huge losses of people who vote for a paycheck. Overwhelmingly unions are more and more exclusive to the public sector, not for the sake of protecting the hapless worker from big, mean, evil, greedy corporations but for the money laundering scheme of confiscating taxpayer dollars and funneling them directly to democrats. Union money is the lifeblood of the democrat machine. Their non-public employee base is on food stamps and cannot support the vote fraud and corruption. If they allow the union power to die thru bankruptcy it will be like sticking a knife in their Siamese twin.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 9:06 am

    The leftists media, being ardent supporters of make believe and fantasy, praise the stock market as evidence that obama has a caused the country to turn the corner and we are headed for a recovery. The truth is quantitative easing, QE 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 etc. etc. is printed money being pumped into the market to keep it artificially inflated because public sector pensions are tied to the value of the market and without all that monopoly money the unfunded obligations are even more gargantuan. It is how leftists play it fast and loose with their less than low information lemmings.

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  • EvelynJuly 23, 2013 - 9:15 am

    Speaking of the Bolshevik Revolution: HERE

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  • clleaJuly 23, 2013 - 9:24 am

    Mr. Veerkamp, no Jefferson's love for Sally was not a bad thing, just hypocritical. How you could construe it differently, I don't know. It easily got the cookie to spewing. He is so much fun!

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 9:37 am

    cllea, just my opinion, but one who views the past through the moral lens of the present and then attaches the word "hypocrisy" to past actors is . . . excuse me . . . a hypocrite.

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  • James E.July 23, 2013 - 9:54 am

    Phil, sorry, but if a boss (Mr. Jefferson) today in 2013 takes sexual advantage of a subordinate (Sally), it's as wrong today as it was in 1800. Or, perhaps you are right and in 1800 it was all right to "take" your house slaves and to also require the field slaves to have maximum children to increase your wealth. Which is it? Wrong or right?

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  • name callerJuly 23, 2013 - 10:00 am

    heck but sticking names 'n stuff on other people's fourheads an making em seem funny or even mebe BAD or MAD gives me such a warm 'n fuzzy feeling

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 10:05 am

    Cookie, LINK - Arizona nursing student suspended as ‘bigot’ for requesting class in English "The student, Terri Bennett, 50, initially complained in April to school officials because she said the Spanish-dominated discussions in her class room were preventing her from learning, Townhall reported. The college nursing program director, David Kutzler, then allegedly called her “a bigot” and an expletive, and suspended her. . . . At one point, Ms. Bennett met with school officials to try and resolve the issue. But in that meeting, a staffer allegedly told her she would “not get a job” because of her discriminatory accusations and that they suggested she might “seek counseling,” she said, Townhall reported."

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 10:11 am

    James, sorry, but if a boss (Mr. Clinton) today in 2013 takes sexual advantage of a subordinate (Monica), it's as wrong today as it was in 1800.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 10:17 am

    Phil, that is what is known as tolerance and diversity. The open-mindedness of the left in action. It has been true throughout history that immigrants have learned the language of their host country. Welcome to the world of enlightenment.

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  • James E.July 23, 2013 - 10:22 am

    Cookie, my point exactly -- Clinton and Jefferson birds of a feather. As wrong today as it was in 1800.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 10:38 am

    Since they no longer teach history, here is some I have learned along the way. Alexander the Great, aside from being a military mastermind was also a linguistic genius. He understood (not being educated at an American University) that in order for a nation to exist cohesively with maximum potential it needed to speak a common language. So within his empire he took multiple languages with dozens of dialects and created the Koine Greek (common greek) language. It was spoken throughout the known world until after the birth of Christ. By doing so he united the empire, made travel easier, shipping easier, commerce easier. Think of it as the ancient worlds answer to information technology. We are so fortunate that we live in a time when so many self proclaimed experts know better.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 10:41 am

    Exactly James! And taking your theory a step further, Galileo, Newton, Archimedes . . . all those old guys were shysters and shills because they didn't go by relativity and quantum mechanics . . . wrong now wrong then to omit those considerations. simply wrong!

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  • Jim RiordanJuly 23, 2013 - 10:46 am

    Col. James . . Here is a good "Jeffersonian" for ya. He was quite the inventor. I too have visited Monticello several times . . one thing you may not have known . . He invented the first crude form of "air conditioning" by routing air through his "ice house storage locker beneath the mansion and then circulating that air up through the other floors. And yes I understand hot air rises, but he used that to his advantage in his system. Next time you visit, check that out. I thought his concept was (forgive me) pretty "cool".

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 10:53 am

    Phil, you caused me to think of a great slogan for a bumper sticker.... Tolerance & Diversity, you WILL like it, OR ELSE!!

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  • James E.July 23, 2013 - 10:54 am

    Jim, yes, his home reveals many innovations. A man ahead of his times. Coolio is all I can say about his air conditioning.

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  • James E.July 23, 2013 - 10:58 am

    Phil, no, I don't want to take my theory a step further as we do not on his site quote Newton, et al., in support of Tea/Republican talking points. Wait, do I remember Newton's most famous quote? "Conservatives good, liberals bad." No, wait, it wasn't Newton, it was Newt Gingrich.

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  • James E.July 23, 2013 - 11:00 am

    *** delete his, add this

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  • clleaJuly 23, 2013 - 12:48 pm

    Mr. Veerkamp, I never said or think that Thomas Jefferson was the only hypocrite through this nation's history. "Hypocrisy was also part of the birthing process that has not ended. And, there are probably a few that think this is ok because he was Thomas Jefferson." Unfortunately because of the backward, unconsciousness of the time, Thomas Jefferson used slavery to elevate and pleasure himself, as many others. None of us are free from some form of hypocrisy. Yes, the good ole conservative south--life was so good. I can only fantasize about time travel for you and your struggling, extreme right.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 1:32 pm

    cllea, mentions the backward, unconsciousness of the time and attaches the word "hypocrisy". Really??? How can you possibly judge "backward unconsciousness" as hypocritical. Am I missing something? If anything I would assess their point on the evolutionary social continuum as advanced rather than backward . . . relative to the rest of the world. Consider Fredrick Douglass. - LINK - Douglass refines his ideology In 1851, Douglass merged the North Star with Gerrit Smith's Liberty Party Paper to form Frederick Douglass' Paper, which was published until 1860. Douglass came to agree with Smith and Lysander Spooner that the United States Constitution was an anti-slavery document. Again, cllea, to judge the past through the moral lens of the present is a disservice to both the past AND the present.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 1:55 pm

    Phil, you will hit the wall with cllea. She has not the slightest clue that America did not invent slavery but ended it. It is what happens when you allow what ever you choose to believe poured into your head without bothering to question it. You can call it selective ignorance.

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    You might crack that impenetrable barrier she uses for a hat rack if you could get her to understand that somewhere within her own ancestry there have been both slaves and slave owners. But that is a really BIG if...

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  • clleaJuly 23, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    Always a convenience, you have missed my point......continue......cookie, you are an uneducated fool, but fun.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 23, 2013 - 2:11 pm

    Between her (I believe she is innocently dense) and Kirk (I believe he is f'ing with me) I'm ready for Giant's baseball . . . and the Giants are becoming increasingly difficult. . . trudge on, Cookie!

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  • cookie65July 23, 2013 - 2:31 pm

    Go Giants!!

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  • James E.July 23, 2013 - 2:39 pm

    Not germane to Jefferson but I see that House leader Boehner is again making threats to shut down the government if he doesn't get what he wants. Well, I agree with him, when he doesn't get what he wants the government should be shut down and I mean down. Everything stops. No pay to Congress, all airplanes grounded, no checks to Social Security, no Medicare bills paid, no checks to the military, no checks to disabled vets, no checks to the border patrol or customs, no checks to military or Congressional retirees, simply no checks or funding to anyone. And, no funding exceptions like the airplanes because the Congress wants to fly home every weekend. Shut it all down and let's see how long Mr. Boehner survives.

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  • Dee#1July 23, 2013 - 3:18 pm

    cllea , it is hypocritical to judge actions taken in a different era, different standards and judge them by today's standards and totally ignore the same actions occurring today. Slavery has always been part of the human condition. I think we can all agree it is wrong and we should try to stop it now. As you complain about Thomas Jefferson and his slave ownership, you appear to denigrate his contribution to the birth of our Country. At the same time you appear to ignore the on going slavery in Sudan and Niger, and the program of near slavery and bonded labor in United Arab Emirates,India,Nepal, Pakistan and Indonesia. We can't undo yesterday but we can work to make tomorrow better for the present day victims of slavery. I am grateful for the good that Thomas Jefferson accomplished working with our other Founding Father and regret that neither they nor we are perfect?

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