Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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A secular nation

EDITOR:

I’m responding to Mr. Bernhoft’s letter in the Sept. 27 edition.

Mr. Bernhoft, your list of examples illustrating the Department of Defense’s “targeting and persecuting Christians” brought questions to my mind. I refer to your points by their order.

First: There are Christians who are religious extremists. Perhaps statistics show that the majority of these extremists are Catholic or Evangelical?

Second, fourth, fifth and sixth: These have to do with the separation of church and state. This means that, in the USA, government and religion are separate. They don’t mix, can’t mix, won’t mix. Like oil and water.

Third: So Lt. Gen. Boykin admitted being a Christian. Did he deny being an “Islamaphobe?”

Seventh: There must have been a reason stated for the disinvite. What was it?

The USA has a largely Christian population; it’s hard to take their persecution in this country seriously. And, sir, we are not a Christian nation. The USA is a secular nation.

SYLVIA MEDLEY
El Dorado

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  • MorrisSeptember 30, 2013 - 2:25 pm

    And all the Christians who embrace God's Loving Truth said AMEN! Thank you Ms. Medley for bringing intelligent light to the darkness of ignorance.

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 5:47 am

    The notion that religion and government are separate is a misnomer. The Diamond lane on the freeway based entirely on the governments mandated religion. The tyrannical EPA is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. The "buy it or else" of obamacare is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. Trillions and trillions in wealth redistribution is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. The billions lost on green energy is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. Cap and trade is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. Affirmative action is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. Hiring Quotas are based entirely on the governments mandated religion. College enrollment based on diversity is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. The tripe that passes for education in the union run schools from k thru phd is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. Common Core is based entirely on the governments mandated religion. Reverse discrimination is part of the governments mandated religion. The IRS was/is used to persecute those opposed to the governments mandated religion.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 02, 2013 - 11:41 am

    Get out your copy of the Constitution boys and girls and let's read together. Turn to the: The First Amendment -- "Congress shall make no law respecting and establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.".... Any questions?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Dink,"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" must mean that kids can pray in schools, right?

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  • Dink LaneOctober 02, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    That would mean a Muslim student can pull out his prayer rug when he's in school ....... but I don't see any one in our red-neck neighborhood letting that happen .... and he definitely wouldn't be allowed to make the WHOLE class pray with him.... Why would it be OK the other way around?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    Dink,"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" must be the explanation of why the establishment of Sharia law is ok. Because the "free exercise thereof" involves establishing Shariah!!! . . . beautiful circular path establishing religious law . . . great! ~~~ LINK - U.S. judge bars Oklahoma from implementing anti-Sharia law

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    . . . on the other hand . . . LINK - Beaver butts emit goo used in vanilla flavored foods

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 12:29 pm

    Hey Dink, can you also read the 2nd Amendment?

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 12:31 pm

    Dink, explain to me the rational behind the Diamond lane on the freeways (in your own words) and I will prove using your own explanation that it is in fact religious based.

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    Cookie, I don't know if it is religious based, but I do know that when I use it I often say, "Thank God."

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 12:38 pm

    Phil, no more vanilla ice cream for me.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    James, time for hedonistic pleasures is growing increasingly short. Forget the beavers. Eat the ice cream.

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    James, I have never had a big sweet tooth. Out of character in my family. But while doing Chemo I acquired a massive sweet tooth especially strawberry ice cream and shakes. It was the only thing I could eat when I couldn't eat anything else. Now I am back to what I was before, I can take it or leave it. One of my pet-peeves is ordering vanilla ice cream in a restaurant and having the server put chocolate syrup on it.

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  • rodOctober 02, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    Every successful government in the last millennia has recognized and fostered three basic elements, 1) Private property rights, 2) The Rule of Law, and 3) Religion. Aside from consumerism, democracy, work ethic and such, which have all been part of our prosperity, we find ourselves today moving rapidly away from these elements. And, perhaps to our surprise, China has firmly grasped all three and is quickly moving ahead, all 1.4 billion of them.

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  • rodOctober 02, 2013 - 5:37 pm

    And Cookie, exactly, there's something religious about carpool lanes. Every time I sneek into it after 3:00 PM I mutter "sweet Jesus, No cops behind me yet"

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  • SOFAR WatchmanOctober 02, 2013 - 7:35 pm

    Christians have historically believed that they will be resurrected to be with Christ. However, that conviction--historically and by itself--did not prevent Christians from being engaged in whatever the political, social, or cultural battles of the time might have been. From the earliest days of Christianity, believers were politically and socially engaged in their communities and countries. Most pastors are ignorant of the Biblical Natural Law principles of liberty. In the same way that many attorneys are completely ignorant of constitutional government, pastors are completely ignorant of Biblical Natural Law principles. Attorneys are not taught constitutional principles in law school, and pastors are not taught Biblical Natural Law principles in Bible school. Melody Lane - Watchman, South Fork American River Intercessors

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    SOFAR, you are correct about the biblical ignorance of most pastors. They stir up some emotions (which have no place in the Truth, God does not care how you feel) and pass the plate. It is interesting to note that the reason the Jews insisted on Pilot crucifying Jesus is because they recognized his political influence and failed at getting him to use it on their behalf. They were threatened by him politically. Much like the left today crucifies anyone they see as a threat to them politically. History repeating itself.

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  • SOFAR WatchmanOctober 02, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    Cookie: AMEN to your comments with one caveat: God IS compassionate about how you feel (feelings aren't right/wrong i.e. fear, sadness, joy, etc.) "Right is right, even if everyone is against it; and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it" and "Men must be governed by God, or they will be ruled by tyrants." -- William Penn, Founder of the Province of Pennsylvania, the British North American colony that became the U.S. state of Pennsylvania **Acts 5:29 - “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” ~ Thomas Jefferson ~

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 7:52 am

    SOFAR, you are correct, there is compassion and comfort for what we are feeling. My point however pertained to the dissemination of doctrine and the roll of the pastor/teacher. All too often Sundays are nothing more than an emotional experience leaving the congregation ignorant and totally devoid of that which Paul refers to in Corinthians as solid food (doctrine for the soul). Think of obama's flamethrowing racists pastor. His scheme consisted of inciting negative emotions, hate, anger, jealousy, rage, envy, division, separatism, racism and that is how he conducted Sunday services. It was very profitable for him, the more negative emotions he stirred up the more money he collected. James Jones was also well schooled at turning the Truth into pure emotions. So much so that his following were willing to drink poisoned laced koolaid. People who turn away from the Truth do so partly because of this very fact. They confuse the Truth with religion.

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  • SOFAR WatchmanOctober 03, 2013 - 8:04 am

    Cookie: You're right on about Sunday Christians! During the Dark Ages, when the Bible was banned, Christians continued to widely copy and distribute the scriptures. Reformers such as Ulrich Zwingli died defending Switzerland’s Protestant Reformation on the battlefield. Colonial Christians (including pastors) in great numbers participated in America’s War for Independence. The great German theologian, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, joined a Nazi resistance movement. The only way to beat this system is through extraordinary action. People must be publicly vocal even to the point of civil disobedience… In a Constitutional Republic the people are supposed to be engaged enough that they demand what is lawful and right…But good people often cause their own ruination by remaining silent on things that they ought to be outright angry over. Silence is consent.

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