Wednesday, April 16, 2014

A wonderful night in Pollock Pines

EDITOR: In the words of Martin Luther King, Jr., “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

Last night, Pollock Pines once again showed up in droves to work with Supervisor Norma Santiago and partner-facilitator, Michael Ward, by speaking their authentic voices from every demographic in Pollock Pines. CEDAPP has been convening these town hall community meetings for six years and as such, laid the foundation for the infrastructure now present in Pollock Pines as we roll out the process for community identity and community planning as an integrated approach to community unity as committed neighbors, businesses, and organizations with a common and shared vision supporting and promoting Pollock Pines.

The first such meeting was on Dec. 3.  Members of the county Economic Development Advisory Council (EDAC) and the sub-group simply called the Regulatory Reform group, presented to the community a dynamic and user friendly PowerPoint presentation educating attendees about the “new and now” processes that have led to the establishment of the new Community Development Agency.

The purpose of last night’s meeting was to further the process by amassing feelings and ideas about what our community does (and could/should) look like and feel like. Four main areas of strength seemed to surface:  natural resources (Nature’s Wonderland), history and heritage, recreation, and rural (small town) living. From those four main topics possible opportunities to capitalize on those areas were discussed and polled.  Once again, the community spoke. Tourism (both recreational and historical), recreation businesses, and general face lifting were all possibilities that townsfolk mentioned as passions.

It was a standing-room-only crowd, supported by many visitors from other communities to observe the roll-out of the exciting “new and now” processes formulated by EDAC in partnership with the Board of Supervisors of El Dorado County.  It was the first cut and a very positive one, at that. These meetings will be a series of meetings whose final outcome will be the creation of a community plan in partnership with the county government — initiated by the community, thus giving the newness “from community to government” as opposed to “from government to the community.” I am so thankful to live in a county that does listen and hear their constituency, as well as work collaboratively with them.  Thank you BOS.

If anyone would like more information on the processes, give me a call at 530-613-1332 and I’ll be happy to fill you in on the next meeting dates and locations.


Executive Director, CEDAPP


Letters to the Editor


Discussion | 39 comments

  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 2:25 pm

    CEDAPP information: • This organization is registered with the IRS • This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990-N • Year Founded: 2009 • As at 01/30/2013 GuideStar, which has all non-profit IRS Forms 990, shows no CEDAPP returns

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 30, 2013 - 2:53 pm

    I was there along with many friends...this is the basic techique that was used --just a different variation...please read Are You Being Delphied? The Rand Corporation in the early 1960s developed the Delphi technique for the purpose of maneuvering segments of the public into accepting predetermined government policies. In the 1970s and '80s, it was ideally used to convince land owners of the merits of accepting joining and general plan maps. Now it is being employed to persuade the public to accept outcome-based education and the licensing of all employees, via endorsements in the Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM) and Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM) programs, a.k.a. school-to-work. The goal of the Delphi technique is to lead a targeted group of people to a predetermined outcome, while giving the illusion of taking public input and under the pretext of being accountable to the public. For the Delphi to work, it is critical that the targeted group be kept away from knowledgeable people who could lead them away from the Delphier's predetermined outcome. One variation on the Delphi technique is to use a series of meetings. The attendees are often given a number or a colored card when they enter the room, to determine at which table they are to sit. The purpose of this is to break up the groups of potentially knowledgeable people who arrive together so that they will be sitting with strangers and therefore be subdued. Typically, at each table is a facilitator, someone who will know which way to help "steer" the group. Usually the people at each table are instructed to answer among themselves some of the questions and arrive at a table consensus. Someone is chosen to speak for the table, most of the time it is the person who has been secretly pre-briefed about the desired Delphi outcome. The table spokesperson is the only one allowed to address the podium and the others have little opportunity to address the podium or the crowd directly. Anyone knowledgeable enough, or brave enough, to speak out in opposition will not be welcomed. Often they are told from the podium, "We don't have time to discuss that now," or "We discussed that on another date," or “We can discuss that after the meeting.” They will attempt to quiet, isolate, and discredit dissenters. After attending the Delphi meeting, participants may feel uneasy that they are in disagreement with the apparent majority. The Delphi technique is often successful in bluffing people into submission. Don't let them succeed. Call their bluff. Just helping the "next" groups vision of "identity"

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 30, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    This is a lumber town...but my paper was pushed to the group said...well its more than that--REALLY...We are named after Mr. Pollock--a lumberman. One of my friends was told not to write his word... because it appeared once...yet the word "lake" and"recreation" appeared several times--because it was on the "agenda" all responses were guided--questions were only answered if the were towards the agenda. Many of those people were really amused. I like the host and her group...but it was a transparent use of the Delphi method.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 30, 2013 - 3:17 pm

    I am on the phone now with a friend that does not want to go back to a meeting--she felt that a couple of the participates were arrogant in their outlook of what Pony Express should look like... and that they are only here for the kind of people they want--not the people that are actually here. The reason she loves Pollock Pines is that she never felt judged--until this meeting.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 30, 2013 - 4:48 pm

    The original Blair’s Mill operated by John and James Blair was located near Five Mile House in 1856. The Elkhorn Mill (Blair road) other major Blair Mill sites were : 1870 to 1880 – South Long Canyon, 1880 to 1890 – North Long Canyon, 1890 to 1908 – Sly Park Mill, 1908 to 1910 – Plum Creek Mill, 1911 to 1912 – Fresh Pond Mill, 1913 to 1925 – Long Canyon out Old Blair Mill Road, 1927 to 1948 – across the canyon from Pacific House. The Blair Brothers had timber holdings across the canyon from Pacific House and it was necessary to build a bridge across the South Fork of the American River to get to the timber and build the mill there. These timber holdings were sold to the Michigan-California Lumber Company in 1958. Henry Schneider was a pioneer of the Pleasant Valley area. He had a butcher shop there and drove a two horse butcher wagon every day from Pleasant Valley to the various saw mills east of Sly Park. The West family operated several lumber mills: Smith Flat, Fresh Pond, Sly Park and Tahoe Valley. Sierra Pacific Industries (Camino) When the mill closed—it killed the economy in Pollock Pines (Pollock is where the trees come from—for those of you who couldn’t remember at the meeting) Building fees are outrageous (which was brought up by a couple of people…and gently redirected) People who asked questions—um—no one got back to them. We were told sometimes one has to put "history" aside--REALLY? These families are still here.

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  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    Delphi - ONE

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  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    Delphi - TWO

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 30, 2013 - 6:10 pm

    Evelyn...much respects

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 30, 2013 - 6:26 pm

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  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    What kind of a non-profit is CEDAPP? Their website solicits donations without providing any financial statements. Who is underwriting their salaries and expenses for these public meetings?

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  • James E.January 30, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Evelyn, I went to that site you noted and was enjoying the adoption story until the last couple of paragraphs which turned into an Obama and Obamacare rant. If adoption was the reason for him to flip, well, God works in strange ways and obviously God wants Obamacare.

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  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 7:05 pm

    . . . and CEDAPP has a Chief Financial Officer, but apparently no finances. There website has many links, most of which either go nowhere at all or, once there, provide no information. What credentials does CEDAPP have to be so engaged with El Dorado County?

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  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    oops. THEIR website . . .

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 01, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    People are receiving emails saying the meeting has nothing to do with a certain agenda ( I have no idea what that is about--damage control?) This meeting used a sales technique called the Delphi technique--there are many variations. People use it to sell a product or an Idea to others. Once you understand it was used--you will never forget. People like warm and calming words will be used in some places...dont focus on the history behind you--look toward the future (right now people are struggling--they want to believe in some thing better) People unaware- will (at first) be confused--then because they want to belong to the crowd--they follow. Words and visuals guide the person to where the facilitator wants. No different than any technique used to sell. Certain words against the main idea will be used isolated--just to show they are "listening" (rolling eye balls) There is a reason that when you say "Coke" or "Pepsi" your mind can see the cans. Or when someone sees "just do it" and you think of Nike. People spent money and time to sell you these ideas. People are them--share with them--tell young people to look for advertising is all the same thing.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 01, 2013 - 2:15 pm Internationally experienced and sought after Trainer of SalesTransformation through competency, leadership, enablement, and account management. Professional Performance Consultant with strong record of innovation and results through organizational needs assessment, strategy execution, change management, and human capital development. Global Facilitator guiding Strategy and Innovation for public, private, and nonprofit organizations and communities including multi-sector collaboratives. Recognized Expert establishing and facilitating Regional Economic, Workforce, and Sustainability development initiatives with strong results in Education and Health sectors. He sells ideas..and he is good at it.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 04, 2013 - 9:00 am

    This is a perfect quote for my feelings as well..In the words of Martin Luther King, Jr., “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” I am not silent. I would like to see the sign in list...How many organizers?, How many government personnel?, How many "authentic" voices? (Shouldn't people at least live up here ?)How many from Camino?, How many residents?, How many walked out? How many returned from the first meeting? and last what groups of nonprofits were represented at these meetings? So many variables. Wonderful night? Depends on the spin of information. This is about "Place Identity" we live in a forest. Lumber has come from El Dorado County for over 150 years. Pollock has been a lumber town since its beginning. Trees are still being logged--but instead of being milled here--they are sent away. Thus killing Pollock Pines. The mill is a part of Camino. It is not a "Camino" thing as suggested at the meeting--it is a Pollock Pines -Camino thing. Camino and Pollock have always worked together. Next meeting FEB. 25th

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  • Sue TaylorFebruary 05, 2013 - 7:20 am

    You could say sustainable development’s definition is: - A blue print on how to remove individual liberties through misguided consensus. Bill Wink

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  • EvelynFebruary 05, 2013 - 7:24 am

    . . . involving no fake science whatsoever!!!

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  • EvelynFebruary 05, 2013 - 8:04 am

    BTW, corporate giant Monsanto has officially joined the World Business Council for Sustainable Development.

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  • Shepp DavisFebruary 05, 2013 - 5:13 pm

    I think the best thing would be to cut down all the trees, take the money, and move someplace nicer.

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  • Walking TallFebruary 05, 2013 - 8:42 pm

    CEDAPP was created by Jeanne Harper so she could feel important since she could no longer cut it as principal of Sierra Ridge. The Rotary wasnt interested in her so she made up her own group. Thought she made a big announcement in the fall that she was stepping down as director? What couldnt get Ken to take the helm jeanne so you could keep running the show through him? Enough is enough of you self edification. We are not impressed with your Jeanne Harper show stay home.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 05, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    shepp davis (jazz greats)It s amazing isn't it-150 years of trees being logged and look at all the beauty still here. Loggers, farmers, ranchers, and forestry all working together to make sure we can continue to use our natural resources in El Dorado county. Your theory is flawed--look at all the families that have stayed--families from the 1800 s. History counts. Trees are still being logged--just not here--they are going down the hill. Money lost.

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  • Billy MiddletonFebruary 05, 2013 - 10:19 pm

    I agree with Shepp. I should be able to cut down every tree I want and keep all the money. Let the tourists go to Tahoe.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 23, 2013 - 1:41 pm

    MEETING THIS MONDAY: Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines - CEDAPP 5 hours ago near Pollock Pines via mobile Just a reminder that this Monday, February 25, at 6 PM at the Pollock Pines Camino Community Ctr., Norma Santiago will again be leading the community of Pollock Pines in a workshop designed to support and promote a community that has prepared itself with an infrastructure ready to meet the demands of a future economically stable and enriching environment. The agenda for Monday night's meeting is a review of the identity statement that community participants worked through last month, and to move that vision forward, ultimately creating a Pollock Pines Community Advisory Council, whose responsibility it will be to make the major important decisions for Pollock Pines. The newness of these meetings is the current movement at the county level to ensure, according to the general plan, that all planning begins at the community level. And that no projects, buildings, traffic concerns, transportation, streets, signage, etc. be resolved or implemented without authentic Community genesis and creation. As a reminder to our community residents, businesses, and organizations, we have the opportunity now to speak for what we want.... each one of us individually, or let others make those decisions for us. Hope to see you there....,the meeting will begin promptly at 6 PM, so it's a good idea to come early and ensure yourself of a seat. Last month it was standing room only! Refreshments will be served. (from CEDAPP S sight)

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 23, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    Be prepared to NOT be able to speak. Much less publicity on this one--go figure--I invite every one...seems if you dont live here--you get to say something. Maybe you can be on the committee--this whole thing is a joke. They are using people who are "hurting"--who want to believe this is real. This "visioning" is turning neighbor against neighbor--so that the developers can slide right in and do what they had planned all along. Phases such as--we'll make them...or I wont shop there...they dont belong here. Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation. Thanks Norma--this is what I wanted to live with--you are changing our town.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 24, 2013 - 8:36 am lots of money being spent. All these "visioning s" up and down the hill...people fighting among themselves...themes--neighbors telling each other how to paint their homes...FOLLOW THE MONEY. Rerouting hwy 50...stack n pack communities--easier access to the lake. Lokk at all the money pulled away from

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 8:42 am

    • 4 THEMES (as recorded in Jan. 28 Meeting Notes) - Community Facelift: Replace burned buildings (Pony Express Plaza); facelift (look better); Pony Express museum at Sportsman Hall; paved shouolder on Pony Express/sly Park Road(s); tear down the burnt building (restaurant); garbage – clean it up; clean up Pony Express Trail and landscape; clean up trash; signs-advertisement for outdoor recreation, businesses and road safety; create a rustic downtown “Main Street”, shops, restaurants, Sly Park Road; clean up the drug problem; cleau up unk; museum to display history, arts school; clean up garbage along Pony Express Trail; broadband; library bigger; the old school in the future; school needs finishing; replace Los Hermanos with a new, larger library; Los Hermanos; Mexican Restaurant; broadband; give all businesses a common theme. • Medical Services: Closer medical for seniors, local medical access; health facility, transportation is the biggest problem; medical services; drs. dffice, medical center; senior service center. • Jobs: Living wage, jobs for young families; business vacancies and Pollock Pines School; jobs; lack of jobs; jobs, people lost their homes; real jobs, not retail, not corporate, not short term, not government, not restaurant, yes timber; jobs. • Recreation: Park, Community Pool; outdoor amphitheater for music and the arts; involve youth in recreation; something for youth to do; 29 acre pard not developed, El Dorado spent $100k on plans; no entertainment for younger population; lack of outdoor recreation business; recreation tourism, recreational business; enhance tourism; historical tourism.

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 8:51 am

    Often a hotel gets "envisioned". In this case, something compatible with a rustic downtown “Main Street” where all businesses have a common theme.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:04 am

    The library and the arts are my passion up here--everyone knows that :) I would have the library down by the community center--because they could also use the community center to expand programs coming up--already discussed by my team and the center. The arts--IF they show a interesting approach to the program--and supplement the schools...they can get grants. If they compete with the schools--they will not get support--thats historical (of course the visioners dont read history) The drug problems --I live on drug alley--people here through politeness and cleaning up ourselves--have it one made people feel bad--we talked and worked on it. Cleaning up--people were furious the last walk....piles of leaves and needles were left outside peoples homes...I asked why were the piles not cleaned up--I was told that the group was inspiring people to clean. We have a new business coming into town--a few are already saying they are shunning it--nice. This happened when Payless first came in--a few protested. In stead of working on a theme --they should work on their manners. There are several groups up here that have taken care of their own mission statements--now we have new groups stepping on them and coming up with ideas that were already there. I for one will not support "bullying." I welcome any business to come try to make some money here. Questions should be...How can we bring back the mill? How can we bring back the full week end wagon train? How can we bring back logging days? This is our identity. If you didnt like the Pollock--why did you move here? Sportmans? We have no economy--the mill shut down. if one creates a museum--you risk shutting that part of history down. If you do not show the art world something real--they will not only NOT come back--they will tell all there art "buddies" to avoid the place. Instead of painting the wagon train--bring it back...politically it was moved down to Placerville. NO themes--I refuse to wear a uniform. With wine, entertainment, visual and performing arts--people can flock to El can not fool people with false "taste"--you just cant.

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:22 am

    Needed: A $200,000 study.

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Check to see where the quiet land deals have been done over the past 20 years and who will get "eminent domained". Rule of thumb: ALWAYS follow the money. BTW: Which involved organization refuses to divulge financial information?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:27 am

    Medical services--we have a doctor in town. And a medical center in Camino. The park--yeah...some one please read up on our history. There was a pool in town at one time that the kids could use. We have gold ridge--maybe they could give up a couple of days (have people pay--to help with insurance) Doris Cloherty (who was a very active and accomplished member of the school board) and many of the community members including Harry Dowdle and Bill Piazza. Their goal was to help develop activities and facilities for the youth and adults of the area. Creating a community park with ball fields, tennis courts, and a swimming pool was a goal set by the organization. Forebay Park was one of the outcomes, especially through much effort, labor, and perseverance of one individual, Harry Dowdle.It was not feasible at the time to have every facility at one location and the tennis courts were put on the Pinewood School playground for ease of upkeep. The tennis courts were a dream of Doris Cloherty and the Recreation Unlimited helped them become a reality. A swimming pool was included in the plans, but a concensus of a location and upkeep could not be reached and the plans were dropped. Swimming lessons were included in the summer school instruction, however. The pool at Wagon Wheel Trailer Park, and the lake at Sly Park was utilized. NOW Forebay is up for sale--is the county going to help keep our field? I thank EID for its use all these years. Oh wait that would be about our residents--the meetings dont include them.

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:36 am

    A meeting about the residents? Great idea. The residents should organize one. For themselves. I'll bet they could do it, unsupervised by the County. And it wouldn't cost a lot of money. The residents could even engage in DISCUSSION and DEBATE and actual EXCHANGE OF IDEAS. It might not be so "manageable", but at least it would be real.

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 10:26 am

    OMG: This is about the Olympics. Now it all makes sense. Some people are hoping to get very very very VERY rich. And it doesn't matter who gets eminent domained, who has to scram, or how much it costs, because THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY. For a while now I've been wondering about the huge freeway expansion running up hill. Where the transportation bucks go is a pointer to AGENDA. Pollock Pines and Camino, if this is the case, consider yourselves expendable. Actually, all the little bends in the road are expendable, including parts of Placeville. Olympic glamor is bought at huge expense. SAY "NO". NOW. - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 10:33 am

    Does anyone know who is in line to head up the 2026 Olympic Bid?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 24, 2013 - 12:45 pm Bozeman, Mont.; Denver; Reno-Lake Tahoe, Nev.; and Salt Lake City have shown interest in hosting the Winter Games in 2022. They will now have to set their sights on 2026.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netFebruary 24, 2013 - 12:48 pm

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 12:53 pm

    ANY PLACE but California.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMay 15, 2013 - 7:55 am

    Harpers quote " In the words of Martin Luther King, Jr., “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”" I will not be silent. Fran

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