Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Affordable healthcare

EDITOR:

As an El Dorado County resident, voter in California, business owner and healthcare provider, I find it extremely distressing to read and hear the stubborn and negative positions being taken on the Affordable Healthcare Act. Collaborative problem solving could get the sorely needed national healthcare program working smoothly and rapidly. We already have a healthcare system for seniors over 65 which has been a lifesaver since the 1960s, saving people from bankruptcy and poverty due to illness, and contributing to a healthier population of senior workers and caregivers as well. The new system, which is intended to provide for healthcare for all ages, is not a very different concept but is a concept with even farther-reaching benefits.

National healthcare for all is, to my view, an extremely critical issue at this time. For example, if our population can be assured of healthcare:

• Workers will know that they can stay healthier on the job by getting early care and avoiding long-term job absences due to extreme illnesses;
• Workers laid off from jobs through no fault of their own will not encounter the multilayered disaster of catastrophic medical bills for themselves and their families;
• Young adults going into the military and into advanced education will have preventive and supportive healthcare in their developing and working years, thus providing the country with healthier military forces and healthier college and technical school graduates;
• Persons wanting to take a chance on starting a small business will be assured their families have healthcare, even if they don’t work for a large organization which provides employee healthcare;
• Parents will know that their children can get care early, often avoiding parental absences from jobs to take care of severely ill children;
• Students will not be forced into school absences due to the lack of timely healthcare;
• Adult children of senior parents will be confident of getting care for themselves so that they can help and care for their parents if necessary.

As a high school student long ago, I was a member of Junior Statesmen of America, which encouraged stimulating debates and problem solving. We worked at gaining “a more intelligent and informed viewpoint.” During two different careers since then, I have focused on trying to foster intelligent discussion and informed viewpoints. I do not see either happening in the national legislatures about this healthcare issue. I do believe, however, that all of our legislators could actually choose to work together for the common good and a healthier population so as to protect the future of the United States.

MARGARET E. VANDERKAR
Placerville

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 5:32 am

    "21 Of The Best Comments Posted By Frustrated Americans On The Official Obamacare Facebook Page" - HERE

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 6:49 am

    Looks as though those who blessed us with the means for government to control every aspect of our lives (for our own good) will be require to purchase from the gold level or above in order to receive they taxpayer funded subsidies. When people making between $75k and $175k can't afford to buy it without a subsidy how is anyone else going to afford it? The rules for the private sector are draconian. I will need to look it up but it is somewhere around $49k where the cost skyrockets because of the tax rules associated with obamacare.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 6:50 am

    I forgot the link for the ruling class gold plan subsidies. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/326409-obamacare-requires-congress-staff-to-buy-gold-level-insurance-plan

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 6:55 am

    For me the critical issue at this time is LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 7:05 am

    The House passed a measure that said, let's at least shield ordinary Americans from this year's mandate to purchase. The exchanges will still open, you can still get your Obamacare policies, but you are not required to do so. The government shut down because the Senate has deemed that too outrageous to even negotiate with. -- Tom McClintock

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 8:09 am

    Tracking down even one successful, satisfied obamacare exchange customer is proving to be somewhat difficult for the left's complicit media. As difficult as it was to idntentify even one individual who benefited from his pre-Presidential training as a community agitator. I suspect they are attempting to develop some fictitious character complete with storyboard the same way cartoons are done.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 8:15 am

    I've decided that today I'm going to agree with everyone.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 8:44 am

    Bravo James.

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  • Rosalie WohlfrommOctober 04, 2013 - 8:57 am

    Wonderful, thoughtful letter, Margaret.

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 9:02 am

    BAD James ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 9:05 am

    Evelyn, I thinking that from now on Friday will be my agree with everyone day.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Evelyn, see how pleasant it is when there is no dissent. So calm, so pleasing. Where is Dee#1 -- I want to agree with her.

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 9:12 am

    b......o.....r......i.....g

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 04, 2013 - 9:18 am

    "Collaborative problem solving could get the sorely needed national healthcare program working smoothly and rapidly". Finally, a common sense statement, good letter Ms. Vanderkar..if our lovely politicians would learn to work together instead of stomping their feet and having temper tantrums so much could be accomplished for the good of the people and this country..I am going to now be like James E. to a point, I am not going to sit and agree with everyone, I am just not going to respond to any more comments or argue...please Senate and Congress, stop fighting and act like adults and come to some agreements and let's move on. Now bloggers begin your tantrums, foot stopping and name calling...have a great day and weekend.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 9:19 am

    Evelyn, I know - boring. But, that the way it is when there is no opposing opinion.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 9:22 am

    Rosalie, are things slow over at the auburn urinal? The socialists over there are plentiful, not so much over here.

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 9:22 am

    OK, jokes aside, it's not so much a matter of agreeing, or not, but rather of full-bodied discussions, which necessarily tolerate varying inputs, points of view, and bits of information. So, James, though you INVARIABLY are wrong, you nonetheless contribute to the conversation.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 9:45 am

    “It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#ixzz2gltCrgq6 --- the people who forced a one party unsustainable government takeover of America's healthcare on 350 million people, against the will of the people are using the shutdown to hurt people with animus intent. And these are the same people who are looking out for you? Grow a fricken brain. They only care about their ability to run your life. Nothing on planet earth provides them the right or authority to force you to buy health insurance. Wake the he// up!!! obamacare is criminal authoritarian tyranny. Why would anyone support forfeiting their freedom and liberty to an abusive, callous, mean, intrusive, spiteful, vindictive, confiscatory federal government?

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 10:00 am

    Here is piglosi claiming obozocare will create 4 million jobs; 400,000 almost instantly. How many lies do they need to peddle before the lemmings catch on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJKGWEkkE7E

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 10:04 am

    obamacare wiping out existing healthcare plans. http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/28/ten-states-where-obamacare-wipes-out-existing-health-care-plans/

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 10:54 am

    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northeast_valley/fountain_hills/fountain-hills-man-dropped-from-health-insurance-because-of-new-regulations

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 11:13 am

    There are about 314 million people in the United States (not to disagree with anyone).

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 11:23 am

    Wrong AGAIN, James ^!!^ -- HERE it says that as at Jan. 2013 the U.S. population = 316,783,000. You MUST stop making up your own FACTS. And ............ I have NO INTENTION of going along with this "agreeable" phase you're trying on.

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 11:27 am

    . . . thus demonstrating the possibility for being disagreeable about just ANYTHING.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 11:29 am

    Evelyn, Cookie said 350 million, I said 314 million. Who is closest? And, I said about -- Cookie was definitive. So, once again, I am not invariably wrong and I agree, me being just a go along, don't make waves kind of guy is not me. Thank you for defining that symbol for me.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 11:34 am

    And, may I point out that your number is as of January 2013 -- so did you make up a fact with your number, because our current population (October 2013) is probably around 318 million (or just shy of that). Facts are so tenuous

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 11:37 am

    Can we settle on "under 400 million"? (You should go back to being agreeable.)

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 11:43 am

    Evelyn, let's settle on 320 million, not 350 million or 300 million. Somewhere there is a chart that gives the population estimate in real time, but I cannot find it. And, per your recommendation, I will now return to my agreeable self as a gadfly.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 11:45 am

    *** strike gadfly. Add gadfly!!

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 11:48 am

    The government remains closed, but there is some hope in that Speaker Boehner has indicated he will not let the nation default.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    Evelyn, did we kiss and make up? I think we did.

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  • rosalie wohlfrommOctober 04, 2013 - 12:38 pm

    Gee, Cookie, I didn't realize I couldn't read your paper. So sorry.

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  • DavidOctober 04, 2013 - 12:46 pm

    Good letter Margaret. LIke you, I also wish we could start from a place of agreement and move forward with meaningful discussion. Unfortunately the conversation here is a great example of why this doesn't happen. We have people focusing on fears and rhetoric instead of the greater good and the truth.

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    Hi, David. What do you consider -- on this topic -- to be "the greater good"?

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 1:01 pm

    I don't want to intrude on David's definition of the greater good reference health care, but here's my shot at it: The greater good in health care is a national health system that deletes the health insurance companies from our lives. A Medicare for all system where fear is taken away. Simply, a focus on health instead of obscene profit.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    No one wanted to have start from a place of agreement and move forward with meaningful discussion when the left thought they had successfully shoved socialized healthcare on millions of people who didn't want it. As I remember piglosi marched through the capital with an oversize gavel as an in-your-face to the American people. I guess the left must feel like the American people aren't listening to the leftists media's version of things. The fight has just begun. The American people won't lay down and have this country destroyed so a bunch of leftists can buy endless votes with free healthcare to people too lazy to provide for themselves.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 1:32 pm

    Look at that little creme Chihuahua. Someone please adopt her -- I cannot as the limit for dogs in Placerville is four, and I'm fully subscribed. Cookie, Obamacare is free health care? Not exactly free, is it?

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 1:34 pm

    Rush and Senator Cruz are not too lazy to provide their own health care.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 1:36 pm

    And, Cookie, it's not socialized health care, it's health insurance company health care.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Please excuse me as I'm off to COSTCO. When I return, I'll respond to any comments.

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  • Dee#1October 04, 2013 - 1:55 pm

    Longhofer, we have been gardening and yesterday was cultural enrichment day for some young adults. We spent the morning on the Legion of Honor viewing "Impressionist on The Water" and the Rodin collection; the afternoon at the deYoung gawking at the BVLGARI; then walked across the Golden Gate;had cocktails on the deck and watched the sunset and the lights come on in the City;then dinner and home. My kind of day. We have beautiful weather that we want to enjoy to the fullest. I think we can agree that the treatment of our WWII vets at the hands of the petulant child in the White House is disgraceful and unnecessary.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 04, 2013 - 2:13 pm

    James...real time meters http://www.worldometers.info/

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  • Dee#1October 04, 2013 - 2:19 pm

    Longhofer, we have been gardening and yesterday was cultural enrichment day for some young adults. In the morning we went to the Legion of Honor to view "Impressionist on the Water" and the Rodin exhibit; the checked out the BVLGARI exhibit at the deYoung; walked across the Golden Gate; recuperated on the deck watching the sun recede as the lights of the City came on; a great dinner and home. We are enjoying this terrific weather while it lasts. As for agreeing on something, I am sure you agree that the treatment of our WWII vets by the petulant child in the White House is disgraceful.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 4:06 pm

    Dee#1 sounds as though you had a wonderful trip. As for your last sentence, I cannot agree as it was the House that shut down the government over their petulance concerning Obamacare. I did watch Hannity and he said it was Obama's fault, so you have a kindred spirit who agrees with you.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 4:48 pm

    Fran, a great real time site. As of this moment in time, U.S. population is 316,385 373.

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  • J. OthersideOctober 04, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Probably just me, but I think the current situation is a mild inconvenience meant to define positions for real issues of the not too distant future. A government shutdown vs. a government meltdown. Who will have the muscle and who will have to back down on the real issues, etc. I don't want to give any politicians much credit but the current rhetoric is just too stupid to be taken at face value. Now, back to watching the @!#^& Dodger's playoffs....

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 04, 2013 - 5:28 pm

    J. Otherside, I believe that you are in violation. I believe that "@!#^& " vilotes site posting rules. I'll run it through my ART BELL enigma machine . . . yes . . . "@!#^& " comes out "⒡⒰⒞⒦ⓘⓝⓖ". Shame on you.

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  • J. OthersideOctober 04, 2013 - 6:04 pm

    Good thing I didn't mention I am actually rooting for the Tigers....

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  • robertdnollOctober 04, 2013 - 6:42 pm

    is foul language a reflection of intellect or your education ?

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    This guy on msnbc has a total meltdown over the way this country is mathematically doomed and will probably get fired. But he is right. This is the proper roll of the 4th branch of government, not cheerleading to support some twisted agenda you were indoctrinated with in college. http://daily.represent.us/news-anchor-completely-loses-it-on-camera-because-of-everything-thats-wrong-with-america/

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    "foul" is a relative term. Is wearing a vagina suit to protest a political party a reflection of intellect or education. Is camping in a park, defecating on police cars because life is hard and you would prefer a handout a reflection of intellect or education?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 04, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    robertdnoll, "foul language" CAN be an indicator of both intellect AND education just as salt, pepper, vinegar and sugar CAN augment the broth when used by an intelligent cook who has been educated to the status of Chef. Some like my cooking. Some don't.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 7:33 pm

    "foul" is a relative term. Is wearing a pudendum suit to protest a political party a reflection of intellect or education? Is camping in a park, protesting having to work, using a police car for an outhouse because life is hard and all you want is a handout a reflection of intellect or education?

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    Phil, as in tasting the broth and saying, "Wow, this tastes foul."

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    The founder of MCafee antivirus software wants to know what idiot created the obamacare exchanges. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84083-mcafee-antivirus-founder-obamacare-online-exchange-idiot-put-system/

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 7:41 pm

    Cookie, oh, OK, you mean naked, (nude), (birthday suit).

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 04, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    Indeed, James. Occasionally my "broth" . . . well . . . I don't have a dog . . . for a good reason.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 04, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    Thanks, Cookie!!!! ^!!^ word of the day - pudendum - You ought to send it in to O'REILLY

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    Well, we are now in our fourth day of shutdown, and the Obamacare law remains in place. To change a law, if I understand it, the House has to pass a resolution (?) to change the law, then it has to get through the Senate and signed by the president and it is therefore repealed. Is it in the Constitution that a law can be changed by threats? Or, is the House just lazy and looking for the quick unauthorized fix which is not going to happen?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 04, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    James, when you ask, " Is it in the Constitution that a law can be changed by threats?" you surely know that it is in THIS President's Oval Office that law is changed by Executive decision. This regime is well on its way to making Congress obsolete.

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    Gee James, within the obamacare law itself the pResident has unilaterally decided which parts to implement and which parts not to. How can he do that if it is against the law? He has done the same with our immigration law. He doesn't seem to hold much respect for the Constitution which he took an oath to defend. Don't fret over it though piglosi says he is apolitical and the least partisan president ever. If she says it, that's good enough for me.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 8:06 pm

    Phil, laws can be modified by Executive Order, but can only be passed or repealed by Congress. Congress is not obsolete -- if the House doesn't care for Executive Orders they can attempt to repeal the law using regular procedures. It is obvious that attempting to change it by threats is not and will not work.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    Cookie, is piglosi really necessary? Does it give you a warm feeling to use it? It only detracts from your argument. The president is not the first president to use Executive Orders, but suddenly it's an issue? Why just for this president? Any thoughts?

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    I'm here to help ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- Executive orders: GW Bush = 291; Obama = 163. So the only question is: Will Obama overtake Bush?

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  • cookie65October 04, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    Phil, have you seen the pentagon's cheetah bot? http://gizmodo.com/the-pentagons-super-fast-robot-is-now-completely-wirel-1441049929?autoplay=1

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  • J. OthersideOctober 04, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    None of the above. It is an exercise to reduce the influence of the political zealots on either side so moderates can address the issues in a meaningful process. As in, "See what you've brought us too? Now shut the (insert Phil's spice of choice) up and let us get to work already. Before real damage is done."

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    MORE HELP: Clinton = 364; George HW Bush = 166; Reagan = 381.

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  • J. OthersideOctober 04, 2013 - 8:15 pm

    Almost forgot, Tigers are up on Oakland 3-0..

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 8:20 pm

    SCORECARD: Of the last 10 presidencies, 5 D, 5 R, the Dems are the clear EO winners, with D EOs = 1,386; R EOs = 1,353, and Barack Obama still has plenty of time to leave the Republicans in the dust. Congratulations to the victorious side.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 04, 2013 - 8:24 pm

    Cookie When I get my flux capacitor tuned up I want to grab a "cheetah bot" and go back to the Coliseum. I could become EMPEROR.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 8:38 pm

    Evelyn, thank you for noting that both sides have used Executive Orders. You are a good researcher.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 8:40 pm

    Evelyn, using that real time site that Frau furnished, our current U.S. population at this point in time is 316,386,253.

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  • James E.October 04, 2013 - 8:44 pm

    *** delete Frau, add Fran

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    About that population figure: I was only over by 39,675. But who knows? That was 10 hours ago. By morning my figure might be right on the mark.

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  • robertdnollOctober 05, 2013 - 2:06 am

    you need to justify you reasoning to your parole officer and child protective services

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 4:21 am

    Given the willingness obama has shown to use the IRS to punish people, sequester to punish people, the latest revelations of using the park service to punish people, I can't wait 'til he starts using healthcare to punish people. Everything the founders warned us about is represented in obama. http://freebeacon.com/park-rangers-ordered-to-make-life-difficult-during-shutdown/

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 4:25 am

    Phil, if the flux capacitor plan fails we could always start a PETA friendly rodeo.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 5:07 am

    James, piglosi is pure swine, an enemy of freedom. She has nothing but contempt for the citizens of this country. She encapsulates the stupidity of the American voter. The brain-trust of the most evil, incompetent, dishonest, politicians in American history is headed by her. I only hope that someday the suffering she has wrought upon the American people thru her quest for power will be visited on her. Can you think of a better example of the privilege assumed by our elected officials? She gives "us vs them" meaning. The American citizens are the "them".

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 6:33 am

    My "keep it clean" dictionary blanched at (above) 7:33 pm & 7:48 pm comments.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 6:37 am

    Any questions on what the federal government mistakenly believe "they" own during this shutdown and subsequent tantrum of our petulant little man-child should be answered beyond any reasonable doubt. As far as the leftists are concerned, this country does not belong to the people. It belongs to the government. The federal government turned down Republican South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard's offer to keep the Mount Rushmore National Memorial open with state workers. The National Park Service told state officials that it was required to use federal employees, not state employees, at the monument, and that opening Mount Rushmore would set a precedent to open the other federal parks. Theodore Roosevelt would be so proud. His legacy of establishing sanctuaries belonging to the people has been turned upside down in order to be used against the people. What a compassionate ideology leftism truly is. Evil incarnate.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 6:42 am

    Sorry about that Evelyn. I masqueraded my point as well as I could. Limits on free speech only limit those with limited speech.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 6:46 am

    Following on J Otherside's above 4:57 pm, THIS: "Obamacare: Is It A Divide-And-Conquer Distraction?" - [C]ertain hot-button issues always seem to flood government rhetoric and the mainstream media whenever the U.S. citizenry begins to unify, causing renewed rifts and luring Americans to fight among themselves while the cruise ship on which we are floating sinks into the abyss. Those on the left believe Obamacare is a genuine attempt to institute socialized medicine, and they love it. Those on the right believe Obamacare is a genuine attempt to institute socialized medicine, and they despise it. But what if Obamacare’s government-controlled healthcare plan is only a secondary pursuit, while cutting America down the middle is the first goal?

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 6:51 am

    A thought to consider. Given the direction of this country and the leftists insistence that they know beyond question what is best for all of us, how long before the book burning begins?

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 6:53 am

    CONT'D: Government bureaucrats and central bankers carefully create our false economic reality on a daily basis. They receive hard financial data and then spin it to suit very particular needs. Each statistic is crafted and manipulated to elicit a specific public response. Those who dominate the establishment hierarchy are exposed regularly to our dire fiscal position, hide the information and its consequences, yet, we are supposed to believe that they are “not aware” of the eventual result? Obama and the elites who pull his strings are fully conscious that our economy is on the verge of complete collapse, and they are aware that Obamacare in its current form will never survive. So why continue with the charade if there is no mathematical possibility that the program will succeed? Social division is the only plausible answer.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 7:01 am

    Evelyn, throughout history the tactic of dividing people into groups has precluded dictatorship and tyranny. It is the objective. A house divided cannot stand. United we stand, divided we fall. A minority claiming to be a majority intimidating the majority into silence and submission thru the tried and true methods currently employed by the radical left. What I find most disturbing (probably because of my upbringing drenched in history) is the failure of people to recognize what is staring them in the face. I am shocked at the willful ignorance of my fellow citizens and their complete apathy towards the preservation of individual liberty.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 7:21 am

    What could possibly motivate those who demonize, castigate and ridicule anyone who defends the notion of limited Constitutionally enumerated powers of government? Who does it serve to eliminate the protections provided to the citizens by the Constitution? The unmistakable theme used to create division and separation is purely emotion based. Never is it based in logic or reason. It is the trademark that makes it easily identifiable. Find those in government that communicate in purely negative emotion and you will have identified the most radical leftists. The two most controlling emotions humans possess are guilt and envy. Leftists foster and pray on guilt and envy. Their dependence on those two emotions make them the easiest people on earth to spot.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 7:52 am

    Anyone still wondering about health care for our elected representatives? HEALTH BENEFITS FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS - HERE: The government’s contribution to premiums is set at 72% of the weighted average premium of all plans in the program, not to exceed 75% of any given plan’s premium.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 7:54 am

    NOTE: The above is from a 2013 Congressional Research Service document.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 7:55 am

    I have relatives who attend this every year. So this morning I have been looking at the pictures they have been posting. Truly amazing. http://www.balloonfiesta.com/

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 7:57 am

    “YOU’RE FULL OF CRAP!” Hannity offers a 10K BET and calls out Democrat Congressman for lying about special Obamacare deal - HERE

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 8:19 am

    The left has assumed ownership of this country and they won't be satisfied until they have done to America what they did to Detroit.

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  • cookie65October 05, 2013 - 9:37 am

    The PEOPLE are voicing their support of gubmit run healthcare. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84252-obamacare-house-horrors-healthcare-gov-hit-avalanche-angry-facebook-comments/

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  • James E.October 05, 2013 - 9:42 am

    Evelyn, I went to the Hannity/10K bet site, but the only thing there was the headline. I wonder what the Democratic Representative said about Obamacare?

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  • James E.October 05, 2013 - 9:43 am

    Who makes 10K bets? Mitt and Hannity.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 05, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Fox news is NOT the only channel to get an opinion from Thank God...and if you watch the news (other than Fox) the website is being worked on....most systems have glitches, look at EDD's website, look at the Mt. Democrats, Kaisers, Marshall Medical center..and these days of "feel good" society if they can't get what they want within 5 minutes they have a temper tantrum...

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  • James E.October 05, 2013 - 9:48 am

    OK, found it -- concerns the subsidy that Congress gets for their health insurance.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 10:00 am

    Oh Brother: The difficulty is in obtaining information, not opinion. James: The 10K bet is found in the video at the provided link. @7:52 am: Information provided by the Congressional Research Service, it appears Hannity should have won his 10K bet (provided the other party accepted the challenge).

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 10:46 am

    TERMINALLY CORRUPT -- "British Company under Investigation for fraud hired to oversee Obamacare" -- HERE: They were hired to do the monitoring of criminals wearing a leg tag. As it turns out, one out of every six charges they billed the government were people in prison, out of the country, not wearing a tag, or plain dead. . . . The alleged fraud was investigated by U.K.’s Ministry of Justice. Once the audit was complete, they immediately referred it to Serious Fraud.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 10:51 am

    "McAfee Antivirus founder: “What idiot put this system out there?”" - HERE: Divorcing his criticisms from the underlying purpose of the law itself, McAfee ripped ObamaCare’s technological arrangement and worried that all of its huge moving parts will make it a perfect environment for hackers to steal Americans’ identities, personal information, and money.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 05, 2013 - 10:53 am

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 10:54 am

    American ignorance, apathy & WILLFUL party-political blindness combine to make a perfect environment for the looting of a nation.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 11:03 am

    Oh Brother: From your link - Swiss citizens buy insurance for themselves; there are no employer-sponsored or government-run insurance programs. Hence, insurance prices are transparent to the beneficiary. The government defines the minimum benefit package that qualifies for the mandate. Critically, all packages require beneficiaries to pick up a portion of the costs of their care (deductibles and coinsurance) in order to incentivize their frugality. The government subsidizes health care for the poor on a graduated basis, with the goal of preventing individuals from spending more than 10 percent of their income on insurance.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 11:04 am

    Further, from Oh Brother's link: [T]here is an enormous difference between adding Swiss-style controls and subsidies onto a purely private, individual health insurance market, and bolting those same provisions onto the malformed American system, as PPACA did.

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  • James E.October 05, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    I'm all opinioned out -- cannot think of anything to say.

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  • James E.October 05, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    OK, I must have some opinion about the shutdown. How about the disabled Vet who lost both legs and one arm, and is living solely on his disability pay? Will he get paid this month in this insane effort to stop Obamacare? Oh, by the way, that train has already left the station so what are we doing here???????

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 05, 2013 - 1:15 pm

    http://about-france.com/health-care.htm France / USA People in France, who have lived with their national health service system for all or most of their lives, and know first hand how well it works, have been very perplexed by the passions aroused in the United States by President Obama's health care reform. Even the most conservative forces in French life support the national health service and have difficulty understanding why some people in the USA imagine that an obligatory health insurance scheme for all could be a bad thing.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    Oh Brother: I, for one, do not oppose a national health service, per se. Unfortunately, what's being compared here are apples v. a whole cart-load of rotten oranges. I've already examined the Swiss system, as presented in the link you posted. Now you do the same for the French system. I have NO SYMPATHY with Obama's insurance-based/dictated managed medical scheme. Admittedly, some may benefit. Many more will not. I read the article you posted. Which of mine have you read -- and thought about?

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 1:41 pm

    James: I understand about being all opinioned out. Me, too!!! With a bit of will-power, I'm giving this subject a rest. Nothing more to say. Over and out.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 05, 2013 - 1:47 pm

    Evelyn yes I have and please enjoy your rest; you have been at it since 6:33 a.m.

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  • LeeOctober 05, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    Pre-existing conditions, along with minimum mandatory essential benefits, no lifetime caps on spending, and similar rates for men and women, are all facets of the Affordable Care Act, which created the marketplace and will essentially help hundreds of thousands of currently uninsured Americans obtain affordable health insurance.

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  • Bill COctober 05, 2013 - 7:58 pm

    National healthcare for all is, to my view, an extremely critical issue at this time. For example, if our population can be assured of healthcare: • Workers will know that they can stay healthier on the job by getting early care and avoiding long-term job absences due to extreme illnesses; • Workers laid off from jobs through no fault of their own will not encounter the multilayered disaster of catastrophic medical bills for themselves and their families; • Young adults going into the military and into advanced education will have preventive and supportive healthcare in their developing and working years, thus providing the country with healthier military forces and healthier college and technical school graduates; • Persons wanting to take a chance on starting a small business will be assured their families have healthcare, even if they don’t work for a large organization which provides employee healthcare; • Parents will know that their children can get care early, often avoiding parental absences from jobs to take care of severely ill children; • Students will not be forced into school absences due to the lack of timely healthcare; • Adult children of senior parents will be confident of getting care for themselves so that they can help and care for their parents if necessary.

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  • MarieOctober 05, 2013 - 9:51 pm

    Present cost I pay for healthcare is $619 with a $6000 deductible.70/30 plan. On Jan 1 My rate will go to $1089. If I go to the exchange my rate is $689 for a similar plan. But if my income changes by just $200 in the year my rate goes to $1280. Either way I am the one of the ones stuck in the middle, not poor enough nor not rich enough. Oh, middle class screwed again.

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  • cookie65October 06, 2013 - 7:05 am

    obozocare will be an absolute success in its intent. The Daisy cutter in our nations economy. Enjoy the new normal, 29 hour work week, not enough spare change to take in a movie, limited access to quality healthcare and bureaucrats determining the treatment you will receive. obamacare is a regulators dream and a free citizens nightmare. What could be the thinking behind adding ten's of thousands of pages of regulations to healthcare? How many people know that it is illegal to purchase or sell a babies car seat or highchair? Just imagine what they dreamed up in obamacare. If you believe agencies such as the EPA and the IRS stretch the boundaries of federal powers just imagined what Health and Human Services will become. Have they developed the identification badges yet? http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/badges.html

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  • cookie65October 06, 2013 - 7:12 am

    For anyone who does not understand what I could possibly see objectionable to obamacare, I can sum it up for you. As far as I am concerned, YOUR FREEDOM is more important than MY HEALTHCARE.

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  • cookie65October 06, 2013 - 7:20 am

    That would be a USED car seat or highchair.

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  • R.J. CarterOctober 06, 2013 - 7:32 am

    Obama's approval rating is so low Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the United States.......

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  • TeabaggedOctober 06, 2013 - 8:46 am

    New chant for Garon and Longhofer. "free Hospice for all!!!" Take away their government funded healthcare and give them what we get. You got cancer? Call Hospice all the morphine you want. #uck those greedy bastards!!!!

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  • cookie65October 06, 2013 - 9:00 am

    Using the United States military to protect the poppy fields of Afghanistan suddenly makes sense. obamacare will increase the demand for morphine.

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  • MartinOctober 06, 2013 - 10:17 am

    This is a great depiction of OBAMACARE: The best comment was posted by a man named Will Sheehan with type 1 diabetes who was initially very excited to sign up for Obamacare. But what he discovered while trying to sign up was absolutely horrifying… I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 10:23 am

    Martin, how do we know that Mr. Sheehan is a real person? Could he be a Tea/Republican hack? I want to see Mr. Sheehan's birth certificate.

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 10:28 am

    ADDED: He does have a horrific story to tell, from start to finish. I especially like the $4,037 fine for not signing up, the loss of his driver's license, and the lien on his house. Just horrific. Message: Stay away from Obamacare.

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  • Vance- USA RangerOctober 06, 2013 - 10:44 am

    I’m veteran who had minimal health care coverage with the VA. Now with The Affordable Health Care Plan I’m fully covered.

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 10:45 am

    Rangers lead the way!

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 10:49 am

    I was not a Ranger as I was a 12/15, Armor/Aviator. Tanks and helicopters. But, a number of my guys in Special Operations (the crazies in the basement) were Rangers, and I never had any doubts about them getting the job done. They are the best.

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 10:53 am

    Well, to some extent we have this AM solved most of the problems of our nation, so I am going to drop off and go to Netflix. I will return and will answer any comments made while I'm gone. Later.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 06, 2013 - 11:51 am

    There will be so many stories good and bad, real and made up. We need to stop driving ourselves crazy and arguing with each other. Still say that is the problem with the world, it's all a p...ing contest...

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  • TeabaggedOctober 06, 2013 - 12:56 pm

    Longhoffer and Garon don't give a crap about anybody but themselves. Just as long as they get their French vacations and have enough of the government dole to pay for chemo on their mutt the rest of the country can doesn't exist.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 06, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    California campgrounds, preserves shuttering gates as shutdown continues Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/10/04/5795744/california-campgrounds-preserves.html#storylink=cpy The U.S. Forest Service has told 115 Sacramento sixth-graders who were excited about spending next week at the Sly Park Environmental Education Center, tucked into the Eldorado National Forest outside Pollock Pines, to stay home instead.

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 1:49 pm

    Teabagged, what an appropriate name. If you want the government pension and government health care, head on down and enlist and come back and see us in 30 years (if your survive). Mr. Fred did ask me what kind of a horrible person would knock a cancer patient? I told him you are a mean jealous Teabagger who is best held in contempt. Mr. Fred thought of you in contempt for a while, licked my hand and promptly went to sleep as he is wont to do. Mr. Fred is a good boy, while you are contemptible Teabagger who apparently was too precious and valuable to enlist.

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  • James E.October 06, 2013 - 1:55 pm

    *** delete your, add you

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  • Doubting ThomasOctober 06, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    Fools rush in where angels fear to tread--beware Obamacare aka Affordable Care Act: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/john-mcafee-on-obamacare-this-is-a-hackers-wet-dream-video/

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