Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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America is exceptional

EDITOR:

Friday I read a letter posted by Ellie Vierra that criticized El Dorado Union High School Board member Todd White for his graduation speech at Oak Ridge High School. Her letter criticized Mr. White’s promotion of American exceptionalism and misconstrued his reference of God to be in an exclusive tone.

I found this letter to be breathtaking in its hypocrisy and irony. It preaches tolerance and diversity yet assails Mr. White for his viewpoint. It is ironic that the letter attacks Mr. White for his belief in American exceptionalism as it was sent in nearly 69 years to the day that American paratroopers began the liberation of a continent from the most oppressive, intolerant regime in the history of the world.

It is sad to see that America has fallen so far from that day to a day where it’s considered brave for someone like Todd White to say something patriotic. That American self-loathing would be a more acceptable approach for an elected official to take at a public forum. The fact that Mr. White gave acclaim to this great country in no way devalues or excludes individuals of faiths and origin not his own. The fact that individuals not born in the United States have come here in hopes of pursuing their dreams and gaining an exceptional education is in and of itself a testimony to the American exceptionalism Mr. White so eloquently referenced in his speech.

Todd White and his colleagues on the El Dorado Union High School Board have worked tirelessly over the years in order to make the schools of El Dorado County top-notch institutions. Institutions where Thomas Paine can be freely quoted without fear of reproach or criticism. Institutions where being exceptional is not frowned upon simply because your exceptional qualities are innate or won by those who came generations before. Institutions that teach acceptance of all views, not just your own. And institutions where hypocrisy and latent discrimination of patriots is unacceptable.

SAM PIERSON
El Dorado Hills

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  • James E.June 10, 2013 - 5:03 pm

    Some people liked Todd's speech. Others didn't. But, cannot make a judgment because I don't know what he said. Anyone got a site?

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  • "Americas Self Loathing"June 10, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    Heroditus in his "Histories" cites a term word called "medism." It describes Greeks, who also were "self loathing" due to the perception of the Persians as "barbaric," but the medism, associated it to righteous indignation retaliaion as justified for the so called "Greek Oppression." Nothing has changed under the sun. We do not learn by history, we repeat the lessons of failure, especially the doctrine of immunity. The human race has never experienced democracy without immunity for officials. One day, this experience may happen. Imagine a USA or a world where government corruption was not a constitutional right i.e. the 11th amendment. LINK - Sovereign Immunity sole purpose is to justify officials violating human rights ,

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  • Ken SteersJune 10, 2013 - 8:06 pm

    Just so happens that I know Todd White. And I have forgiven him for being a graduate of Oakridge. When is quoting Thomas Payne at a High School graduation inappropriate? It's not. Now regarding this Sam Pierson fella. Another Oakridge graduate as well as Santa Clara University. Soon to join his brother in the 82 Airborne. They are perfect examples of American Exceptionalism.

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  • OthelloJune 10, 2013 - 10:45 pm

    I apologize for the quality. http://youtu.be/UT7QDpgsw04 another version: http://youtu.be/o9Rv8tDl4l0

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 11, 2013 - 4:31 am

    "Americas Self Loathing" - Please check your HTML. You are consistently leaving an unclosed italic tag. Is this because of an inadvertent extra italic tag in your HTML or are you deliberately goofing?

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 11, 2013 - 4:32 am

    closing italics

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  • ItalicsJune 11, 2013 - 6:49 am

    I'm not concerned with italics, bold print, or cap locks, or braille. However, I'm sorry it annoys you so...I'll double check from now on. Do they arrest people for that in your county?

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  • El Dorado County top notch institutions. Institutions where Thomas Paine can be freely quoted without fear of reproach or criticism.June 11, 2013 - 8:33 am

    What a delusion to force this false belief on kids when facts contradict the safety once thougth about free speech redress of grievance in the USA. "...Todd White and his colleagues on the El Dorado Union High School Board have worked tirelessly over the years in order to make the schools of El Dorado County top notch institutions. Institutions where Thomas Paine can be freely quoted without fear of reproach or criticism." I'm sorry, but this is a load of hooey, in conflict with published reality. Recently published, this week, proving my point here, 3 woman in El Dorado County criticized El Dorado County for sexual harassment, tahoedailytribune. The women agreed to settle the matter in order to resolve the issue and avoid the risk of having to pay the county’s legal fees if they lost at trial, according to the statement." In the United States of America, "Thomas Paine" was not aware of the 11th amendment to constitution which now punishes U.S. citizens for exercising the right to "redress a grievance." Paine, who I am honored to share his birthplace with, Norfolk England, supported civil rights and propaganda taught in El Dorado high school brain washes children into believing USA is "an exceptional place," however, facts show that his principles have been abandoned by U.S. Congress in 1793. Paine, atheist, probably because of his disdain for "Sovereignty," which the word is now "obsolete" according to Webster.com, is well known for this position, and I quote from the "Atheist Foundation, "In 1786 Paine’s principles of a republican government, as opposed to monarchical rule, were enshrined in the Constitution, in which the term “sovereign” has “subject” for its correlation. This concept was later rejected by the Eleventh Amendment. Sovereignty, due to its dark age dogmatic basis, in reality, is a word that describes a divine power granting to allow subjects in the Kings Court, now called officials to violate civil rights without fear of liability for having to restore citizens ruined by corrupt government acts. We all know this is the reason for the revolution, whose cause of actions were described in the Declaration of Independence. What El Dorado County schools fail to teach is that Sovereignty was restored to power through the Eleventh Amendment in 1793. In 1999 the Supreme Court for 200 years repeated an argument that is based upon dogma and thus insisted that the United States is not a "republican government" of democratically appointed public servants, rather democratically appointed "Sovereigns." This is history now in Alden v. Maine 1999. So while Todd White lies to his kids that USA is a country that supports criticism against the government, it doesn't mean anything if the US courts grant immunity to officials for violating civil rights. Violating Civil Rights is a criminal act under 18 USC 242, among many other laws, yet for some reason, most are treated as civil law suits, thus fixing the crimes of officials. Nutting and Michado are examples where officials have stirred the hive of corruption. No private citizen is bringing a violation or a complaint, but an opponent in government who has more power is clearing the way for more favorable legislators, by closely scrutinizing documents. El Dorado County has friends in the Federal Court who will openly fix plaintiff complaints. Then they will steal your life work to punish you for "criticizing" them, contrary to Todd Whites delusion he forces on school kids! In the Ninth Circuit appellate courts, ignored by Eastern District where EDC civil right complaints go, the appellate court encourages civil right suits by dismissing attorney fees, in order to discourage rampage violence, see, “Harris v. Maricopa County Superior Ct,” infra is concerned that: "Even when unsuccessful, such suits provide an important outlet for resolving grievances in an orderly manner and achieving nonviolent resolutions highly controversial, and often inflammatory, disputes." In El Dorado County, officials create violence events by disregarding "checks and balances" through corruption. El Dorado County News Papers prove that if you complain you may lose "several hundred thousand dollars in attorney fees." If this does not conflict with Todd Whites delusion of free speech, then by all means complain and criticize, if you can afford ha ha ah "free speech." They should do that with all the BOS's. I bet all would be prosecuted for something. So those El Dorado County kids will grow up thinking that behaving like Thomas Paine is a good thing, will become a victim of the El Dorado county civil rights trap where officials push the limits of abuse of power. One complaint will ruin there lives due to a false belief that they have a right to "redress a grievance," a more accurate term than..."Institutions where Thomas Paine can be freely quoted without fear of reproach or criticism." As you see, if you file a valid claim, El Dorado County officials can lie and rig court cases so you will lose, not only the case, but your home and family simply for "redressing a grievance" that was no fault of your own. It takes only a simple call to 911 to report a crime, without knowing that the criminal was connected to a family of government officials in El Dorado County can lead to your murder, see Case 2:08-cv-00013-FCD-EFB. Or, another case where you are threatened to be murdered like the previous case, you discover the murder was allowed by the Magistrate Judge and District Attorney who was being sued, the murder actually ended the law suit. In the other unrelated case, 2:08-cv-02269-MCE-EFB, you find you have to move, or the same Judge who removes legal obstacles barring a bailed criminal defendant from assaulting and murdering other citizens suing D.A. Vern Pierson has to leave their dream home just to be safe from what Vern Pierson allowed a retired sheriff to murder John O'Sullivan and end his law suit. Now these cases are historical and conflict with Todd Whites surreal fantasy world of freedom from retaliation for "criticism,' that he forces on the school kids of El Dorado County. Criticizing El Dorado County officials can be deadly! Go ahead give it a try if you are not a coward! I'm sorry to have to write this, and wish I was as naive as most of you. But unfortunately I witnessed obstruction of justice! Although my complaint to California Judicial Counsel resulted in Judge James Wagoner being found guilty of obstruction justice by "obstructing a grand jury investigation," unfortunately, in El Dorado county this is not a stain on his record, it is a feather in his resume. Vern Pierson now has a Judge he can 100% rely upon to fix any trial he wants. At any time any citizen in the United States can file a complaint against Judge Wagoner, at large for the crime of http://cjp.ca.gov/file_a_complaint.htm" rel="nofollow">LINK - obstructing a grand jury" in 2009, at this web site, Remove

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  • Citizen Power to remove corrupt JudgesJune 11, 2013 - 8:55 am

    See how much power a citizen has outside of the corrupt Jurisdiction of El Dorado County. LINK - REQUEST OUTSIDE STATE AGENCY TO INVESTIGATE JUDGES IN CONTROVERSY

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  • CJP website to investigate these judgesJune 11, 2013 - 8:58 am

    Right now, in Addition to Judge James Wagoner's two "obstruction of justice" guilty decision by the CJP, both felony crimes, more judicial controversy exists. Only through the requests of local citizen's with the State Agency above investigate the truth without bias. Please fill out the forms and make this request based upon the article here LINK - El Dorado County judge tied to firm grand jury probed The CJP states, "The commission's mandate is to protect the public, enforce rigorous standards of judicial conduct and maintain public confidence in the integrity and independence of the judicial system. While the majority of California's judges are committed to maintaining the high standards expected of the judiciary, an effective method of disciplining judges who engage in misconduct is essential to the functioning of our judicial system. Commission proceedings provide a fair and appropriate mechanism to preserve the integrity of the judicial process." If you do not complain about your judges, they will not remove or punish those who create "controversy" which fails to " maintain public confidence in the integrity and independence of the judicial system." When you get a judge punished you do USA a service! Do your part! Credibility is built when you have won a few battles! But in EDC you have to use an outside jourisdictional agency, and this is one of the few left. They hate corrupt judges!

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 11, 2013 - 9:47 am

    "ItalicsJune 11, 2013 - 6:49 am I'm not concerned with italics, bold print, or cap locks, or braille. However, I'm sorry it annoys you so...I'll double check from now on. Do they arrest people for that in your county?" I just logged on--your answer is probably--"yes," since so many important things are overlooked--and people settle in on the ludicrous stuff...lololol...thanks for the smile.

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  • Phewy!!June 11, 2013 - 10:30 am

    Thanks Frances, I thought I was one of the few noticing this bizzare focus on the mundane! Perhaps logic realy does have more emphasis on fact than symantic or text type. El Dorado County, if painted, would appear as sureal as the art of Edvard Munch LINK - Typical Portrait of El Dorado County Citizens or Public Officials.

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  • Chuck HollandJune 11, 2013 - 10:49 am

    First I would like to thank Mr. White for his exceptional speech to this years graduating class at Oak Ridge High School, and second I commend Mr. Pierson for the exceptional insight within his letter to the editor. With that said I as well as other readers would greatly appreciate if the long winded conspiracy nut jobs would kindly find their own venue to preach their poppy cock theories in.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 11, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Fran, you observe, " so many important things are overlooked. Fran, Some contributors to this forum attempt to format text in bold and/or italic "important points" on these threads in italics and or bold. When careless and/or a$$hole contributors accidentally/deliberately fail/choose to not close HTML formatting tags then a forum participant's "important things" are less obvious. . . . but then you do tend to LOL easily, Fran. Good on you ;-)

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  • Conspiracy TheoriesJune 11, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    What conspiracy theory are you referring too? The 11th amendment? I checked there is one, it's called "the eleventh amendment." Apparently, a conspiracy is when more than two people plan to do something, and there is no proof that it was ever done, but people think that it was done anyway, but have no proof. For instance, you conspired with yourself apparently and came to the conclusion that "long winded" treatises about the eleventh amendment and US history does not exist. Did this conspiracy come to you in voices in your head, or do you not see "the eleventh amendment" because you only have 10 fingers and 10 toes, and can't get to 11? Here is the Dean of law at UC Irvines paper on "sovereignty" and the 11th amendment. LINK - No the U.S. Constitutional Amendments are not a tongue and cheek conspiracy, they are real Btw, ad hominem rhetoric attacking the messenger is the oldest proof of ignorance first discovered by Aristotle perhaps 2500 years ago. Don't be so hard on yourself by exposing your weaknesses.

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  • htmlJune 11, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    Actually, I typically copy and past from word, and this format or lack of format in posting here changes things. It is nothing personal against you Phil, I forget. BTW do you prefer CDO?

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  • Also don't be so vulgarJune 11, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    I'm sure this topic should remain g rated, so please clean up your vulgarity, Chucky, I think the more appropriate term is "poppy pistil."

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  • Ponerology HavenJune 11, 2013 - 5:41 pm

    So far this topic is revealing itself to be a great source of specimen recovery for ponerology. Like minds supporting corruption attack those opposed to it, but without any fact or basis. Typical and exciting to see such willing subjects, keep um coming please.

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  • ad hominem of the day from Jethro McSwiftJune 11, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    pompous - pedantic - prick perpetually amused by the proletariat - your disdain for others indicates a likely high aptitude for top HR position at future FEMA camp, Herr Baer

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 11, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    Phil--I had thought I was responsible for the italics...glad im not. One time on Facebook--I had some how turned on the pirate language--so all my words were written as though I was a pirate--that was annoying...lolol I still do not know how to turn on the italics here...and just learned today that I can press reply--instead of going back to the article--it is a different format here. I try to not touch buttons. Remember it was you that did the first short link for me...and I do know that most of you use bold or italics for highlighted items...I just dont know how. Im sorry people may be doing it on purpose. It would be similar to writing like a pirate for two days--before I asked for help to undo the feature.

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  • VernJune 12, 2013 - 5:03 am

    El Dorado County Republican Central Committee Members. Seems Ken Steers is also a former member. Dallas Sweeney is Jack Sweeney’s son and John Bailey is Ron Briggs nephew and Judge Bailey’s son and Todd White is, well, Todd White. EXECUTIVE BOARD--- Chairman: Dallas Sweeney 1st Vice Chair: Doris Miller 2nd Vice Chair: John Bailey Secretary: Roseann Livingston Treasurer: Todd White Parlimentarian: Leigh Kolb Sergeant-at-Arms:

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  • cookie65June 12, 2013 - 6:31 am

    Offending a simple minded twit who's open-mindedness, tolerance and diversity is limited to leftist groupthink, is impossible to avoid if you have the slightest understanding of reality. What is scary, is the crap the left spews that doesn't offend them. The Bill of Rights is a fascinating document. I realize how intolerant it is to suggest how the founding of this country was influenced by Christian doctrine but the Bill of Rights is based on a Biblical understanding of human nature and the fact that power corrupts. The Bill of Rights was intended to protect individuals from the eventual corruption of centralized government power. The 1st Amendment is the "1st" Amendment for a reason. No one who desires to control speech has any good intention.

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  • cookie65June 12, 2013 - 8:24 am

    This is for Dink. The collapse of the public sector bubble is going to crush this state. http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2013/06/11/california-on-brink-pension-crisis/?test=latestnews

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  • "controlling speach"June 12, 2013 - 9:43 am

    "The Bill of Rights was intended to protect individuals from the eventual corruption of centralized government power. The 1st Amendment is the "1st" Amendment for a reason. No one who desires to control speech has any good intention." I agree. It was "intended." But it is no longer allowed to have meaning. The revolution wasn't because colonists could not complain and bicker, They did and very loudly, and in print, as Thomas Paine in is known for his publication. The Declaration of Independence made it clear that "Judicial Tyranny" and "Mock Trials," were corrupt tactics that made "rule of law" useless for "justice for all." The declaration identified a power making redressing corruption futile and the document called this "despotism." They said it would "...would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them, and formidable to tyrants only." Blackstone Commentary in 1769 provided proof that a "King" was a "Sovereign." But you have to relinquish the possibility that this ideology was dogma designed to exploit "subjects" with fear of burning at the stake or descending to hell for the crime of "objecting to abuse of power." Contrary to modern jurisprudence regarding "sovereign immunity," Blackstone also showed that a king was not entitled to abuse power, or "breach contracts." Blackstone asserted that the King's subjects "could sue in the "court of Chancery." U.S. citizens have been stripped of this right by a "perversion of the origin of genus species by redefining sovereignty as a right to escape liability for public corruption," (Chisholm v. Georgia 1793 Wilson.) So the First Amendment, the very First desire of the people was to be able to, not just have "free speech," but to have an inalienable right to "REDRESS A GRIEVANCE." This means to have restored, what "abuse of power by officials" has caused. Nonetheless, no offense to Chuck Holland, who detests individuals who point out the difference, or who "criticize" a speech that ignores history, the US Supreme Court holds that the "Right to Redress" under the First Amendment was repealed by The Eleventh Amendment. Bogan v. Scott-Harris 1998, points this out best. Thus, officials are not deterred from corrupt acts, as a "constitutional right." This may sound bad, and it is, but the silver lining exists in that most people think corruption is just a part of life without a solution. Yet a solution presents itself because the 11th amendment is the "doctrine of immunity." In the USA, the Supreme Court has built it around religious dogma. It is unsupported by fact. This is not to attack religion, as it is also the First Amendment right. But it bars religious dogma from forcing itself upon society, finally free from the inquisition horror that it creates. So, the silver lining, is once people like Chuck become aware of their surroundings, unless they are predestined to support tyranny, as were followers of holocausts, they will be repulsed by the cultivation of corruption under the guise of legal jus cogens. It is a fraud that has protected and created cronyism since the dark ages. The last valid discussion, prior to 1776, to end it was with Galileo, and he was imprisoned for life for bringing it up. Today it is time to put sovereignty, which is the right for officials to escape deterring punishment by our human civil courts who bar the First Amendment right to "redress." Bogan S. Ct. re-informs USA regarding officials accused of the crime 18 USC 242 abuse of power under the color of law, and they articulated this, "If corrupt...the law will not tolerate a citizen redress..." I never got the memo, just like Chuck Holland, who thinks the Supreme Court and the Constitution is a "conspiracy theory." Yet no set of facts support Chucks baseless inferences. Yet, I too was a Chuck who ignored reality simply trusting speeches by people I admired in public office. I also was flawed in that regard, assuming that the Todd Whites of the world had my best interests at hand. Giving credit to Thomas Pain as an example USA's tolerance for equivocating "criticism" of public sovereigns from a "right to redress..." is a disservice. After all, Chuck Holland is an example of how a lot of Americans act. He is defending officials he admires by attempting to stigmatize "criticism" as a trait of "nut jobs," regardless that the speech was to honor a man, Thomas Paine, who today Chuck views as a "nut job." Thomas Paine was not "criticizing," he was "objecting to abuse of power under the color of law, or legalized human right violations." So Todd Whites version, skews and waters this down as mere "criticism." As if humans don't want justice they just want to gripe! As if we don't already have that. The Question is, why is it that Chuck cannot tolerate, as with the Bogan Court, not just those who attempt the futile "redress of grievance," but those who simply criticize officials. WTFC (most humble appologies)? I would also point out that every critical point I make, I provide citations and reference to preclude the fallacy of faulty induction common to the Chucks of the world, due to my presentation of deductive fact. Instead of remaining a Chuck, why not follow historical fact and be repulsed, not by criticism but by propaganda from people like Todd White, who oversee the teaching of flawed historical fact. If a conspiracy exists that the 11th. amendment restored the "inestimable and formidable right of tyrants," and it is unsupported, take the next step and reference and cite your points of authority, if they exist. Don't pass the buck and be a Chuck!

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  • In ShortJune 12, 2013 - 10:14 am

    Thomas Paine didn't help establish a country where citizen's were benefiting by a revolutionary new right to "criticize officials." The result of all of the patriots who agreed the First Amendment to get agreement for ratification by all states, was "the right to redress a grievance..." among speech, assembly, and religion. USA was supposed to be the first nation where corruption was ended as an "official right used by tyrants." What was the very first thing Congress did, 4 years after the bill of rights was subjecting officials and supporters who abused power, breached contracts, under the color of law, to bankruptcy proceedings and punishment? They ratified the 11th amendent and made corruption a constitutionaly protected right. But what is more remarkable, USA citizens do not generally know this history, thus it lives on as offensive as was slavery or prohibition of the woman vote, and some say the right to become an alcoholic.

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 10:51 am

    VERN? I'll bet you can't/wont list the any of the members of the democrat socialist CC? Because they keep that a secret. Republicans here in our county of proud to be Republicans. As well as proud to be Americans, who cling to our guns and religion.

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 10:57 am

    Sam must feel a since of loyalty to Todd because they both are Trojan graduates. Sam who recently graduated from Santa Clara University will be joining his brother soon as a 2nd Lt. in the 82nd Airborne. These men are perfect examples of American Exceptionalism.

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  • Fear of ReproachJune 12, 2013 - 11:23 am

    El Dorado County is not known for its congenial attitude in regards to coddling individuals keeping them "free from reproach" for criticism. I recall this video LINK - Todd White claims this never happened and is against policy of El Dorado County education which does not reproach citizens for criticism" This county will disrespect a sheriff quoting the Constitution and Appellate court law! All republican's who do not oppose the corruption, but use it to get what they want, are the destruciton of the Nation, regardless of military past career, Honor Graduate Status from Military academia etc. Those with impeccable credentials who cross over to abuse of power, no better and are willful wanton criminals who took advantage of "silver spoon" educational opportunities to build their own home empires by controlling politics of generational money in a county! This is a democracy, and eventually, the people will wake up. El Dorado County comments here though show it may not happen in our lifetime. Is it fluoride in the water? Lead Paint on 4th generation houses? Who knows but to acquiesce to the decrees and speeches of those in power, while our nation is falling apart, has to stop before it is too late! I am a former republican, simply from learning about EDC republican party committee. Am I a democrat now? NO! They both fight to control who can get away with corruption, while a great system of democracy is ignored, simply because, yes, we would strip your generational hold from you in a heart beat! But you are "absolutely immune" under the 11th amendment, so we really can't do nothing till that is ended. Have fun while you can, these are you good ole days!

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  • what a prickJune 12, 2013 - 11:27 am

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  • T H A N K SJune 12, 2013 - 11:36 am

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  • anytime Jethro from IowaJune 12, 2013 - 11:40 am

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  • Where next, Jethro?June 12, 2013 - 11:45 am

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 11:56 am

    Is America is exceptional the new USA, USA, USA, USA, USA?

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  • Ty Robben has issuesJune 12, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=two3wtVCvsM

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 2:11 pm

    What's the matter with USA USA USA? After all the democrat socialist run the government. Shouldn't they be proud of what they've created? Now it's bad to be proud of where you are from? Pathetic

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    Ken, just trying to keep up with the latest sayings. I now know that American is exceptional is the same as USA, USA, USA. Nothing pathetic about learning the latest.

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  • cookie65June 12, 2013 - 2:40 pm

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/secret-service-visits-outspoken-obama-critic-because-of-tweets/

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 12, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    Cookie, apparently Texas is not exceptional - LINK - APNewsBreak - FEMA denies aid to Texas for blast

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  • cookie65June 12, 2013 - 3:17 pm

    No surprise there Phil, if the left is ever successful at outlawing conservatism and capitalism who is going to pay for all their programs? Is there an obama voter willing to grow their own food? Phil, did you hear that anthony weiner was thinking of running for president in 2016 with eric holder as his running mate? The weiner/holder ticket.

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  • cookie65June 12, 2013 - 4:42 pm

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/12/house-committee-looks-into-irs-seizure-of-60-million-medical-records/

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 12, 2013 - 5:04 pm

    ~~~~shame on you~~~~ (snicker)

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    I watched the US vs Panama soccer match held in Seattle last night. OMG, those people know how to cheer at a match. The pride of our team displayed by the crowed was on the level of the '80 US Olympic hockey team. Snarky negative dark sider democrat socialist must be very annoyed by such a low brow show of US pride by the people of Seattle. I feel sorry for those that view pride for those who have volunteered to risk their lives to defend our constitution unwarranted. Personally for me, when a man like Sam Pierson Lt 82nd Airborne speaks regarding the self loathing haters all around us. I'll listen.

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  • cookie65June 12, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    Ken, don't tell James (he has the assumption that I don't respect the military) but my son is active duty in the Navy. He is shocked at the number of people couldn't care less about doing there jobs. He has witnessed the social experiment that the leftists have turned the military into and is not impressed. When he was in basic there were 94 members of his ship (barracks) he was the only one in his ship who completed basic with a perfect score on everything they did. I think it was the 10 years of football. There were 6 people in his ship who had gotten college degrees before going to basic and all 6 finished last on every single thing they did. My son called me one time with his earned phone privilege just to tell me what I had always taught him about college degrees was true, that anyone can buy one.

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  • The Military is more exceptional than just the USAJune 12, 2013 - 5:51 pm

    When you join the military you waive your constitutional rights. However, this is sort of a good thing. By doing so, military officials, unlike private officials, do not have Eleventh Amendment Immunity. So any time an officer abuse power under the color of law, they violate a direct order and the UCMJ. Youngsters join the military, all bright eyed and bushy tailed. Reprimands against military officers by complaints originating from those they abuse end careers for military officers. Unlike El Dorado County officials, they cannot be cowards and hide behind eleventh amendment immunity. You have more rights under the UCMJ than you do under the U.S. Constitution, as far as redress for abuse of power claims, which we all now was the cause of the Revolution when we did not have that right! When you are discharged, you lose this protection of the UCMJ and are then subjected to Alden v. Maine 1999, the new right given to "sovereign" officials who are no longer required to be held on "obedience" to the "supreme law of the land" and only "FAITH" exists to assume officials will obey it! Amazing! So this is what is defended, the "officials right to abuse citizens," who are ironically barred by the 11th amendment from seeking redress of grievance, Bogan v. Scott-Harris 1998. I'm wondering, what is special in the mind of those who do not understand this? What is the right they thought they defended as a soldier? I volunteered as a young man, and I had no idea then, that the 11th amendment existed. I don't think I would have volunteered had I known that. Better keep it a secret huh? I know I did fight for the right to tell people of US policy that is hid from this. I don't know how you hide the 11th amendment, but I have met only one or two who have any clue what it does, and the basis that preserves this dogmatic repulsive antiquated right.

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  • Don't argue with idiots right?June 12, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    I had complained to Ray Nutting about Vern Pierson fixing violent felonies for his pals, he said he would help as a candidate, after his election he said, "I have more important things to do" now Vern is being devoured, and he was warned...hard to keep from snickering, but its sad really.... Here is a video of how the argument went down with him, and also me trying to educate a few about immunity. It takes personal experience. LINK - DONT ARGUE WITH IDIOTS

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 7:01 pm

    Cookie, I have never in thought, word, or deed implied that you don't respect the military. What more to say?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 12, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    Well everyone playing nice? James I have a question-- would a military service person have to defend the constitution over a higher placed military service personnel-any branch of service...hopefully that makes sense. How about this way...if a private heard that is commanding officer was going against the Constitution--is it his or hers duty to defend the constitution first? I believe I once read that the prime duty of all military is to protect the Constitution first...

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Cookie, thank your son for me. Those who have served swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies both foriegn and domestic. Francesca, short answer would be yes. I would never recommend an e-3 to challenge any officer

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    Frances, a military officer has the duty to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The prime example of your concern would be an officer who learns of plans for a coup. I refer you to the movie "7 Days in May," in which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, with the collusion of the various Chiefs of Staff, plan to take over the government. Now Colonel Kirk Douglas has entry to the highest levels of the government and even entry to see the president. So, coup derailed by Colonel Douglas and they all lived happily ever after. That was the movies, in real life who would the junior/senior officer tell about the soon to happen coup who wouldn't poo poo his information? And, how did the officer get his information? Only a few extremely high level officers would be involved so it would have to be one of them to break ranks causing the house of cards to collapse. Now, real life -- what if I determined that a Senator is a domestic enemy because he doesn't support the Constitution? Would I have a duty to take direct action against him? What if I was ordered to fire on rebels who I believed were not enemies of the state? If so, I would have the duty to not fire on them. However, rebels are by definition enemies of the state so they would be in extreme peril. Interesting question Frances -- no bright line rule applies -- it depends who are the enemies and whether an individual officer has the knowledge/information to determine who is a domestic enemy and who is not. Personally, I always focused on foreign enemies, and let the generals and civilian leadership determine who might be the domestic enemies.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 12, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    off

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 12, 2013 - 9:17 pm

    Thank you James...something to think about.

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    To be clear, ALL MILITARY PERSONNEL, officer and enlisted, swear an oath to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. A couple a facts from Mr Pierson's letter that needed to be pointed out. Our high schools in the county test highest in the state. Thank you Todd, Kevin and the rest of the school board. Like a man on a life raft surrounded by sharks. I fins solace in the fact that we as a society are still producing fine young people like Todd and Sam and Cookie's son. I have grown weary of the democrat socialist's poster children of the OWS origin. There just might be hope for us after all.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJune 12, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    "I don't expect this to happen, [but] Congress should give Edward Snowden retroactive immunity for standing and defending the Constitution. He's done a service for the entire country. What's revealed politically is that both parties are in on this" http://tinyurl.com/nx7d2lu If anyone stands up for the Constitution --should they be in trouble? Are civilians also suppose to defend the Constitution over a bad government?

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 10:19 pm

    Ken, OWS?

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 10:26 pm

    Frances, what did he reveal that wasn't authorized by the Patriot Act which apparently allows the government to do whatever they want. This site talks a lot about losing our freedom. Well, we lost our freedom when the Patriot Act was enacted. And, I doubt we will be getting it back because the Congress is always fearful of another attack. The young man is toast.

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  • James E.June 12, 2013 - 10:28 pm

    OK, tired so I'm out. Tomorrow.

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  • Ken SteersJune 12, 2013 - 10:35 pm

    I think it's a little too early to be calling Snowden a hero. Mighty strange that he speaks of counter espionage against China at the same time is hiding in China.

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  • franJune 14, 2013 - 10:34 am

    Good morning El Dorado County

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  • James E.June 14, 2013 - 10:35 am

    Appears we are back in business.

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  • franJune 14, 2013 - 10:55 am

    Ken...I am not calling him a hero--someone from the link did...I havent made up my mind yet...however--it seems that anyone that goes against the flow--becomes...as James said "toast." So who stands up for our rights? Is it just "groups" that can fight back? Just questions...it seems that the "people" have lost their freedoms and their voice--so what happens now?

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