Wednesday, April 16, 2014

America lost in political ‘sea change’


Man, I feel sorry for President Obama. The mess he inherited this time around is even worse than the mess he inherited from Bush the first time around. Sour grapes over the election? Not really, it’s obvious the Grand Ol Party lost this election due to several reasons, some within their control, some outside their control. Besides a miserable Republican turnout at the polls, Mitt Romney and the GOP just couldn’t seal the deal due to both a increasing disconnect with minority voters, and an ingenious, yet very destructive political “sea change” that has slowly taken place within the Democratic Party over the years.

Benjamin Franklin once said, “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” The leaders of today’s Democratic Party have happily discovered a huge political gain along with a sure path to winning elections by shamelessly pimping themselves to the lazy “bottom-feeders” of our nation’s society. I’m not talking about the millions of proud Americans who are out of work or just can’t find a job, but rather the new breed of Democrat voters who are content to flourish by suckling off the system and feel voting for free stuff is more important than love of country or the well-being of our nation.

I can still remember how emotionally moved everyone in our Country was back in 1961, including Republicans, when a newly elected Democratic President named John Fitzgerald Kennedy stated, “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” Fast forward 51 years, and for the second time this new generation of Democrats have turned out en masse to vote for Barrack Obama, not because he’s created any jobs or improved our nation in any way over the last four years, but simply because he promises more and more governmental handouts to those already blissfully freeloading off our Nation’s resources.

Even as America circles the drain and faces certain financial collapse, the thought of Obama’s “free stuff” has become more important to some people than the concept of work, and handouts more desirable than a friendly hand-up. This Liberal ideology has taken America one step closer toward Obama’s ultimate goal of an entire nation of remote-controlled welfare recipients who are more than happy to vote Democrat for all the wrong reasons.

Still, no sour grapes, my congratulations go out to all the Liberals; they got what they wanted, Obama won. As for JFK, well, he’s is spinning in his grave.

Shingle Springs

Letters to the Editor


Discussion | 122 comments

  • James E.November 12, 2012 - 4:59 pm

    R.J., thanks for the congrats. Are you sure all liberals want stuff and that explains Mitt's defeat. Could Mitt and the Tea/Republican Party have anything to do with it? No, well ok, thanks anyway for the congrats. And thank you for alerting me to the Forester Pub.

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 12, 2012 - 5:35 pm

    James...No problemo ...Yes, The Forrester Pub is awesome, you'll love everything about the place...Friendly staff and delicious German food and ....

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  • James E.November 13, 2012 - 12:07 am

    R.J., I glad they have ****. What's a good German meal without a good German ****?

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 13, 2012 - 7:44 am

    James....Posting at 12:07 A.M.???.....Good grief, It's true what they say, "crazies never sleep"......The word AND was just a typographical error I had missed, was hoping no one noticed....I also have a love for elongated sentence structures and the excessive compulsively use of at least 4 periods after each and every every sentence....It used to drive my Editor at Thunder Press Mag completely insane...Fortunately, the fine Editors at the Mountain Democrat are happy to mend my insanity laced scribes for me taking it all in stride.......

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  • cookie65November 14, 2012 - 6:52 am

    The dems didn't discover any political gain. Buying votes with the public treasury can be traced back to Rome 140 B.C. The question now becomes whether or not it is to late to right the ship. Are we destined for the iceberg. Maybe at this point it has to be broken before in can be fixed. And who better to break it than the modern democrat party lead by the most incompetent marxists to ever achieve power being pushed along by the largest group of ignorant dumbdown lemmings in all of world history. I say sooner is better than later. FOWARD.

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 14, 2012 - 7:31 am

    Cookie65.....Good point....Yes, the Roman's discovered it, the Libs perfected it, and the GOP has to figure out a way around before America burns just like the Roman Empire did because of it...

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  • Paddy O'furnitureNovember 14, 2012 - 8:13 am

    R.J., excellent letter with many salient truths. The local socialist/democrats can say what they would like about why they won and the GOP lost, but it boils down to this point "President Obama won [re-election in November, 2012] because he promised to steal more things from the people who didn't vote for him and give what he stole to the people who did vote for him, because that is what an election is, right? An advanced auction on the sale on stolen goods." - Peter Schiff This has been documented to be true over and over for centuries, by Franklin and others, and it's still true today, in fact more so than ever. We are doomed. OBTW, I live near the Forester-yes, great food. I just hope my next meal there isn't spoiled by running into any of the socialist/democrats that posts here regularly ;^)

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  • CatherineNovember 14, 2012 - 8:21 am

    This fixation on poor people as "bottom feeders" who take all your money is delightfully simplistic. I wish I could enjoy that easy view of life. It prevents having to take the slightest effort to think. Ah, the mental spa that is Fox...

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 14, 2012 - 8:56 am

    Here's your 'sea of change'...if you take the time to read this will make you think. RJ, you only hit the tip of the iceberg. Communist Goals (1963) Documention below -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen] CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. 3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. 6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. 7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. 9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. 10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) 12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions. 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms." 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch." 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." 31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. 36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. 39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. 43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. 45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet. It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point. Click here to see them listed with brain-challenging comments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Documentation Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library. Sources are listed below. The quote starts on page 259. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11 .R5 Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 14, 2012 - 9:00 am

    Catherine.....Open your eyes...Just look at any electoral collage map showing American's various states and how they vote (blue vs red) it will show the map as overwhelming red (Republican)....Then, notice an electoral collage map which is further broken down into individual U.S. Counties and that same map of America is almost solid red with just a few small blue sections of blue where America's largest most dysfunctional cities are.... Too simplistic???....You do the math.........

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  • DarrinNovember 14, 2012 - 9:16 am

    Still sore from betting on that losing pony, eh? Too bad all that red is just from your crying eyes... Don't forget to watch Preppers on TV after you are done with Faux Noose. Might give you some tips on how to prepare for the coming downfall of American society. Maybe those booms we are hearing are the collapse of society???

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 9:19 am

    Mr Carter -- Yes, if you look at the map based on land mass, it looks more red than blue. But it's Of, For, and By The People, not the land. Here is a link to the same map that takes population into account.

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  • DarrinNovember 14, 2012 - 9:29 am

    Mr. MacKenzie, I think you just made Mr. Carters head explode... He ain't agonna like seeing that graphical, logical explanation of why Mittens lost.

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 9:47 am

    Mr. O'furniture, I'm going to dine, on R.J.'s recommendation, at the Forester Pub. I'm not going to wear any of my Democratic t-shirts (RUSH SUCKS, REPUBLICANS LOST -- AMERICA WON, etc., etc.). I'm going to wear "Republican clothing," so enjoy your meal while looking around at the other patrons not know which are winning Democrats, and it could be that one is sitting right next to you watching your Tea/Republican table manners. Please don't cut your food with a spoon. It's just not done.

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  • Jesus H ChristNovember 14, 2012 - 9:48 am

    All this time I thought Mittens lost due to republicans dissing Hispanics, blacks, women, gays, lesbians, or anyone else that wasn't a white male born in a Confederate state.

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  • EvelynNovember 14, 2012 - 9:58 am

    Regarding Republican election day non voters, would anyone care to comment on the thought (not original to me) that many party faithful were disenchanted by the Republican National Convention's treatment of Ron Paul?

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 14, 2012 - 9:59 am

    It's not the Russians or the Chinese I hell they won too! And you all bought into it! LOL Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.[1] This movement, in its Marxist–Leninist interpretations, significantly influenced the history of the 20th century, which saw intense rivalry between the "socialist world" (socialist states ruled by communist parties) and the "western world" (countries with capitalist economies).

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 10:01 am

    Mr. Gibney, really? I thought commies hiding under our beds was so 50s/60s. But, guess the John Birch Society survives in some of us. I must have looked radical Republican in those days, as I was actually invited to join the John Birch Society. Hmmm, it might have been good cover to find out just how radical Republican they were. In sum, Mr. Gibney, mellow out -- I just hope you don't have blood pressure problems.

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 14, 2012 - 10:14 am

    No blood pressure issues JL. I jsut found it amusing...Nikita Kruschev is laughing in his tomb. But I digress. This will be anintersting 4 years. I too am now getting ready to launch my line of T shirts that will utilize some of Obamas own quotes as well as a few lines from Kruschev, lennin, I may make a buck or two in the process! United we stand Divided we fell....Thank the media and the politicians

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 10:15 am

    Mr. Christ, yes, all those plus Mitt's sense of entitlement that a rich corporate type would be elected without the little people. And, did I hear that Mitt fired the five actors that played his sons?

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 10:17 am

    Mr. Gibney, the t-shirt idea is a good one.

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  • Jack MartinNovember 14, 2012 - 11:35 am

    Further analysis of the election is interesting. Obama won re-election, but incumbents usually do. The Dems picked up a couple seats in the Senate and still hold a majority. They also picked up a few in the House, but are still in the minority. But we now have 30 Republican State Governors, the most since....1960? So as one political pundit stated, voters showed they simply disliked Romney more than they disliked Obama. I'm sure that was due in part to Romney saying things like "work" and "struggle" and "sacrifice". Well, looking at the way the markets are responding, we're all going to learn a new level of sacrifice pretty soon.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureNovember 14, 2012 - 11:39 am

    James E. Longhofer, the typical socialist/democrat shouldn't be hard to spot-they're the ones who dine and then want someone else to pay the bill. That's why Obama won the election isn't it?-he convinced enough people he would take from someone else who was more fortunate (worked harder) and give to those less fortunate (on welfare, many able-bodied) who would vote for him. THAT'S why the GOP lost again. That's why Ron Paul (my favorite) wouldn't have won either. We simply don't want fiscal responsibility in this country anymore-not the majority anyway. The majority now are on the dole and will vote for whomever will promise to keep them there. Does this make you hopeful? That this type of ideology wins the elections now? That these are your fellow affiliates? We are doomed. Not because the GOP lost, not because Ron Paul lost, but because fiscal conservatism lost and we have passed the tipping point where the now-expanding majority receive confiscated wealth from the ever-decreasing minority. THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE SITUATION and there is no turning back. BTW, I like the fish n' chips at the Forester and I use my fingers, not a spoon. Sorry if that offends you.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 11:49 am

    Mr O'furniture -- here is a link of food stamp use by state. Compare that to the electoral college map and you can see that it does not correlate to the claim that only free loaders voted for the president.

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  • CatherineNovember 14, 2012 - 12:27 pm

    RJ Carter, Your Red/Blue comment was goofy, and I thank those who posted amusing and informative replies. Many of the red states take more in federal revenue than they give, and they're also among the highest-cost Medicare recipients. There are just so many legitimate reasons why you could dislike the President, but this Fox soundbite about lazy poor people is beneath any thinking person's dignity. Focus on the larger, more damaging welfare recipients: the corporations who won't pay taxes, our enormous military, most foreign aid programs, etc. But if you want to just relax and have a nice scapegoat enemy, you can always hate Italian immigrants, or maybe the Irish?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2012 - 1:11 pm

    Today the DJIA exuberantly closed -185.23 -1.45% - Good talk'n, POTUS!

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  • Paddy O'furnitureNovember 14, 2012 - 1:29 pm

    Kirk, where did you get that I said "only freeloaders voted for Obama"? While he is the choice of freeloaders (since he promised to take good care of them at the expense of the producers), plenty of rich folk supported him too, like Jeffrey Immelt of GE (who pays no income taxes) and the Walton family of WalMart fame (who got waivers from Obamacare). Your charts are fine and all, but I'm talking about common sense here. People on the public dole will vote for whoever promises them the most goodies. Obama promised the most. He got their vote. He got elected. People who pay no taxes and are a net drain on the US economy are electing our officials, not based on what's best for the nation, but what's best for themselves. And the people who are the targets of the Robin Hood Regime are laying off help, scaling back, and some are relocating to other countries less hostile to business. I say again; We Are Doomed. Oh, and the stock market has dumped again today. How's that recovery coming along?

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2012 - 1:36 pm

    QUICK! FED - QE4! - HELLLLLLP . . . .

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  • prime timeNovember 14, 2012 - 1:51 pm

    Major Banks, Government Officials & Their Comrade Capitalists Target of Spire Law Group, LLPs Racketeering & Money Laundering Lawsuit Seeking Return of $43 TRILLION to the U.S. Treasury

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  • prime timeNovember 14, 2012 - 1:55 pm

    Obamacare taxes mean Obamacare layoffs

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  • Dink LaneNovember 14, 2012 - 1:57 pm

    63 Million VOTERS said NO to Mitt Romney's plan... That is OVER 3 Million voters MORE than the YES to "47% are moochers" group. Why is it an UNDER-employed mother of 3-boys asking for $140 in food stamps to put food on the table is a "Moocher"....but NOT a Corporation with OVER $56 Billion PROFIT (after bills paid) takes $254 million in Tax $$$$ AND a Cotton Farmer getting $5.9 Million TAX $$$ in crop subsides + $239.7 Million TAX $$$ in Water Subsidies (Who lives on the 49th floor in a high rise in LA)???

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  • cookie65November 14, 2012 - 1:59 pm

    Thomas Gibney, I'll do you one better, "communist goals 1963". I have a book given to me by my late father. It is an auto-biography written by an individual who was involved in the actual smuggling of Marxist trained communists to America. Before anyone wants to claim conspiracy theory or paranoia, the author was born in Germany 1904, his father was part of the mutany of the sailors and dock workers that overthrew the Kaiser and my book is a first edition printed in 1941. It is the single best explanation of what is going on in America that I have ever read. And it all starts in the schools. "Out of the Night" by Jan Valtin. Mine is a prize possession. Find one if you can.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 2:26 pm

    Mr O'furniture -- the maps show there is no correlation between "being on the dole" and votes. And, yes, Catherine, it is a misnomer to call food stamp recipients "free loaders"...~47% are under 18 and ~8% are over 60. Roughly half of recipients are working families. ~75% of Walmart employees collect food stamps.

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  • prime timeNovember 14, 2012 - 2:29 pm

    Out of the Night: The Memoir of Richard Julius Herman Krebs alias Jan Valtin ($21.99)

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  • paddy O'furnitureNovember 14, 2012 - 3:27 pm

    Kirk, you're still not getting it. Forget the charts-they're based on statistics that may or may not be accurate. I'm talking about common sense (which at least in my case is accurate and compelling). Recipients of goodies will continue to support those who hand out the goodies. What about this do you not get? If you have 47% receiving welfare of one sort or another, those people will ALWAYS vote for the party who promises to expand or continue the welfare. Sure there are legitimate cases of public assistance. So what? THE POINT is simple; when the takers outnumber the producers and have the ability to keep in power those who perpetuate the redistribution of wealth, the end of that system is INEVITABLE. This is math of the most basic sort, yet so many socialist/democrat types either can't grasp it, or are simply willingly ignorant of the inevitability.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 4:03 pm

    Mr O'furniture -- I trust the data more than your "common sense" that says 47% represents a majority.

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 4:29 pm

    Because Mr. Lane ~ That under employed moocher momma, should not of spread her legs for anyone much less for every "Slick Willy", "Dinka's" and "Woody" in the neighborhood. The moral, fiscal and long lasting results go well beyond "food stamps" Mr. Dinkas.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureNovember 14, 2012 - 4:36 pm

    Kirk, Geez! What does it take to get through to you guys? The 47% is a percentage of the US POPULATION. Not "likely voters! 47% of the US population is on public assistance Kirk!

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 4:52 pm

    Mr O'furniture -- right...slacker moochers vote at a higher rate than "real" Americans. I apologize for being sarcastic, but this whole "free stuff" argument is, like Catherine pointed out, simplistic and misguided. Denial is the first step of recovery.

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 14, 2012 - 5:06 pm

    Kirk...In other words you completely deny the fact there is a certain percentage of Americans out there that, as I said, are programmed to vote Democrat just because they are content to solely exist on promised government handouts without ever bothering look for work or contributing to society in any way?????....Really?????

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 5:09 pm

    Mr. MacKenzie ~ "free stuff" = "simplistic and misguided"? What is truly free of value unless you steal it and only get away with it for just a short time. You have to eventually answer for everything dude.

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  • RichardNovember 14, 2012 - 5:17 pm

    After just listening to my former employer Senator John McCain on Fox News on the issue of Benghazi, my conclusion is, there’s no hope for the Republican Party. Its not the John McCain I would have done anything for in 2002

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 5:24 pm

    Mr. Richard ~ How quickly you flip/flop. It's not a matter of what your beliefs are or what party you belong to but rather what is the TRUTH! Don't be so shallow.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 5:28 pm

    Mr Carter -- not at all. There are some "programmed" to vote Democrat for a variety of reasons, just as there are others programmed to vote Republican. The rest of us vote based on reason. President Obama won the majority of the reason-based voters.

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 5:44 pm

    Mac. Exactly...reason (not reasonable) based voters for Obama = something for nothing. What a lovely and arrogant Nation has being created.

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 6:08 pm

    Where are you Libber's at??? I suspect you're feeding your pie holes with Government food stamps while watching MSNBC planning your next freebie. Yummy. It can only last so long.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2012 - 6:17 pm


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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 6:20 pm

    Comment: The only reason this idiot of a president got re-elected to a second term is so that there will leave no reason for any of you sheep to say "what would of happened if he would of got re-elected?" Well now we're going to find out and he can't blame it on Bush now because he owns everything he does and doesn't do just as in his 1st term. OMG ~ could I be a racist because I think the president is a screw up?

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  • RichardNovember 14, 2012 - 6:28 pm

    Smith , yes it was Bush and once again I recommend counceling for you.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2012 - 6:31 pm

    DJIA - 10/05/2012 - 13,610 - - - 11-14-2012 - 12,571 LOSS OF 1039 damn bushes

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 6:31 pm

    Actually I was eating a piece of banana creme pie, with a cup of hot coffee. So, General DB Smith of the Tea/Republican Army has return from convalescent leave after being seriously wounded in the last round of political chat. General, are you aware that Obama won? Doesn't sound like it. And, from reading your comments today it appears you were wounded in the head and haven't sufficiently recovered. Get some rest, the Tea/Republican Army needs generals with absolutely zero, zip, nada, military training.

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 6:36 pm

    I predict that Groan and Longhopper will not encounter anymore fabricated racist encounters until around ~ let's say late 2015 at which time they will add to their portfolio, "women's discrimination". Can't wait>

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  • observerNovember 14, 2012 - 6:39 pm

    All you guys must really get off on juvenile sniping, but it's unproductive as hell.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2012 - 6:39 pm

    DB - Groan gone Gaza

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2012 - 6:41 pm

    observer - we have 3 years to kill and monitor ink is cheap

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  • CatherineNovember 14, 2012 - 6:47 pm

    I don't believe that 47% of Americans receive welfare of one sort or another. If you consider all federal social programs to be welfare, the number is surely 100%. A friend who receives food stamps gets $16/month to supplement her $898/month in disability income (less than minimum wage, after working for 17 years), I get mortgage interest deductions worth thousands, and all stockholders at Apple get far higher returns on their investments because Apple refuses to repatriate international profits because they don't want to be taxed. Oil, pharma, agribusiness -- All welfare recipients (and many of the ag payments go to true free loaders). I think we're all disappointed in how borrowing, wars, and globalization have affected average Americans. But you must have noticed that during this time, a small percentage of Americans have accelerated their wealth acquisition. It's time now to ask them to return to a previous tax rate, under which they also thrived. Spittin' on the poor is just a lazy way to vent your anger.

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 6:51 pm

    General DB Smith loves juvenile sniping, and whining too (he and his lost). That being said, here is my site comment of the day: Romney (a political narcissistic sociopath) says Obama won by giving gifts to blacks, Latinos, youths, and I see that the Tea/Republicans are parroting him. Are you guys and gals incapable of independent thought? No need to answer, as the answer is plain to see.

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 6:54 pm

    Not lazy..venting includes but goes well beyond welfare little girl....

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 6:56 pm

    General DB Smith, your use of "little girl" says it all. Polly want a cracker?

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 14, 2012 - 6:57 pm

    Mr Veerkamp -- DJIA - 03/2009 - 6500 - - - 10-05-2012 - 13,610 GAIN OF 7110 Do you use BigCharts? Pull up a 4 year chart and you see this is just retrace in an uptrend. The 10 year chart is the most interesting for me. We have real problems, we've had them for a while, and we are at the moment of truth on a "double top". Failure isn't the end of the country -- if you believe wave theory -- but it would suggest another 10 years before we get this chance again. Sniping and bickering is a waste of our time. Smart people don't waste time at a time like this.

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  • observerNovember 14, 2012 - 7:01 pm

    Cheap Feel Good talk should be strictly rationed. One per person. You expect to be taken seriously? Not a chance. Practice makes . . . exhaustion.

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  • James E.November 14, 2012 - 7:02 pm

    Be back in awhile.

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  • DB SmithNovember 14, 2012 - 7:05 pm

    Mr. MacKenzie ~ People articulate differently as evidenced on these posts. In an attempt to keep a balance, I suggest that the less articulate such as Longhopper and myself, should be allowed to continue.

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  • CatherineNovember 14, 2012 - 7:06 pm

    Thanks for the BigCharts reference. And my vote on this thread goes to Mr. Veerkamp, for "monitor ink." Loved it!

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 14, 2012 - 7:47 pm

    By the way...isn't it great that our military was able to cast their vote effectivly.....not! My frineds son had asked repetedly for a ballot and was not responded to...and he had just returned from afghanistan. Lest we forget the absentee ballots that 'crashed overseas' as well I guess they can put their lives on the line but their vote doesn't mean s***.,13319,150477,00.html

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 14, 2012 - 7:51 pm

    Nobody has mentioned the lost ballots and late arrivals of our servicemen and women. Funny I guess they don;t count??? Do the Dems fear their vote...? Not all Military are republicans (LOnghofer) so why are transports with ballots crashing and arriving late...???Send off to do your dirty work but their vote doesn;t count??? PHQ Washington DC

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  • redmenace007November 14, 2012 - 8:13 pm

    Catherine, I do so appreciate your intelligence! I knew that El Dorado Cty was of a beer belly, gun rack, under educated, racist demographic, but to actually read some of the BS is daunting to me. How quickly they forget where our last Republican leader took us. People are hurting now because of Bush going along with his babysitters, Cheney and Rove. No leader could have done better in 4 years, but much more could have been accomplished without the Republican/Tea Party Congress and the proven ignorance and lies of Fox, Limbaugh and the other haters. There was a time when I watched Fox AND MSNBC. I thought I would get a well rounded viewpoint. I smelled something fowl and started fact checking info. from both stations (yes, I do believe in facts). I stopped watching Fox and realized with much disappointment how the majority of info. given out by Fox was proven over and over to be incorrect. Over time, Fox elevated to ignore the proven and obvious and really slid into blatant delusions. I guess Fox fed into what their white listeners wanted to hear because of their fear and lack of care to educate. If our President was a white man with the same goals, all the garbage and obstruction past and present would not exist and America would be much better off. Yes, the Republican Party is imploding and this does not make me happy at all. I am a moderate Democrat thankful that President Obama won decisively. The United States of America is depended upon, leads and runs to assist so many cultures outside of our boundaries in time of crises, and yet name calling and degrading US citizens in times of crisis is so common place on the right. Democracy and patriotism is being overshadowed by those that are fearful of something different than what has been the norm. You, not our President or his administration are breaking down the United States. If you are not willing, get out of the way.

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 14, 2012 - 8:26 pm

    So Redmenace...we should just bend over and take it is that what your saying...??? wow...all that verbage for that? brilliant.

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  • RichardNovember 15, 2012 - 6:58 am

    What dont you understand Gibner? The Republicans are simply "WRONG" on tax cuts, "WRONG" on the role of government. "WRONG' on health care. "WRONG'on the social extremism, "WRONG" on the definition of rape to justify the most severe restrictions on abortion. "WRONG' on the policies that will protect and preserve what's left of the middle class. President Barack Obama was re-elected with 332 electoral votes."Hallelujah"? Can I have an "Amen"?

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 15, 2012 - 8:01 am

    Richard -- are conservatives wrong about chronic inefficiency of the public sector? About the economics of subsidies? About the insanity of the tax codes? IMO, the answers are "no".

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 15, 2012 - 8:31 am

    Ritard, The Republicans are not perfect true. Your Obama , as you will soon find out (But probably not since you are blinded by ignorance) is definetly not what you think. Where there is smoke...there is flame and buddy it's getting hot. Fortunatley some of us are better insulated than others. But thats ok, I will be more than happy to kjeep reminding you of national mistake. Honestly wish I could be wrong but time will tell shortly...

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  • CatherineNovember 15, 2012 - 8:37 am

    Kirk, I appreciate the intention of your reply, but... The tax code has been driven insane by both parties in equal measure, as special interest payback all across our government. The folks who self-identify as Conservatives are often on the receiving end of tax shenanigans and government contracts. On inefficiency, I really think much of that is the human condition. I've worked for large companies filled with very smart people and found them to be wasteful, inefficient, and easily distracted by politics. I don't think Conservative groups do any better. They don't appear better organized or better able to resolve internal differences. The economics of subsidies is also not a topic that people who call themselves Conservatives actually do any better on. Even representatives who claim cosmic disgust in government are typically engaged in a pork-fest. So I'm kinda sick of so called Conservatives implying they have some corner on these markets. For me, the Conservative / Liberal dichotomy is false. We need new words. But I always appreciate your thoughtful comments. (And the truth is, I'm commenting right now to avoid painting the house.)

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  • Kirk MacKenzieNovember 15, 2012 - 8:58 am

    Catherine -- agreed, virtually all politicians are scum, regardless of how they label themselves. And any organization that gets too large because dumb, slow, and inefficient; I've worked for smaller and larger businesses and found the "Corporate Immune System" to be unbearable. These truths are the clues to real solutions -- massively distributed smaller organizations with no politicians involved.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 9:02 am

    Catherine, don't paint the house today. Put it off, think about it at length, let the situation develop. There is a time to paint and when that time comes you will know it.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 9:07 am

    Mr. Gibney, what will happen shortly? Unless the President tells us he is Muslim and born in Kenya, I'm not sure what the event might be.

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  • Jim RiordanNovember 15, 2012 - 9:37 am

    Think Obama is going to create Jobs? Maybe overseas and in useless government. However the fact is every small business owner I have spoken with is already figuring out how to reduce their staff and or hours worked by staff to avoid new taxes, obamacare regulations and pressures from Obama's flawed policies. Just wait a few months and watch the results. Think big business will sit still and bend over ? They won't. Good job RJ.

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  • RichardNovember 15, 2012 - 9:43 am

    From the EDC Rep. Central Committee web page: THE FENCE REPUBLICANS NEED TO FOCUS ON NOW ISN’T THE ONE BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO; IT’S THE ONE BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND LATINOS. If I interpret this correctly General Smith and Mr. Gibney your command post just issued orders to kiss every Mexican butt you can find, good luck with that.

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  • CatherineNovember 15, 2012 - 9:46 am

    Col. Longhofer, your comment made me laugh and laugh, as I sit on my keister doing just that. Thank you. At some point the stars will align. Until then, I'll try to understand why people who hate government expect it to create jobs.

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  • arnold langeNovember 15, 2012 - 10:05 am

    if romney were elected it would have shown that in america we could be duped by an elitist and pathological flipflopper. Fortunately, that didn't happen. despite the 100's of millions spent by other elitists to elect this fraud, he lost. a good day for the country. teabaggers along with the gop are rapidly becoming ineffectual and insignificant.

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 15, 2012 - 10:34 am

    'sigh' well folks lets just have one party then? a one party country...hmmm wonder if thats been tried and worked....From the looks of it that what most of you Dem Libs want? Since your media won't allow a third party to gain traction. Oh ho hum golly ...have at it just don't come knocking on my door when it goes to crap..How entertaining the next four years will be...

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  • DB SmithNovember 15, 2012 - 12:00 pm

    Richard, Your man got re-elected by doing a whole lot of what you're suggesting for me to do. I trust that common sense will eventually prevail in the Latino,Black and all other communities. Obama is known as the "food stamp president of Mexico" and that will not be sustainable! Brown did not need a Prop 30 or 38 for California schools. Prop 30 passed but only 40-60% (wide range) of new revenues will go to schools and the balance will be used for a "range of OTHER state programs". If this state were to concentrate on legal citizens with our taxpayer dollars then we would be in the black and not the red. All an illegal immigrant to Obama, Brown and you is an undocumented Democrat. There are no more brown asses left to kiss after you and your brown noses got done. I trust that true common sense will eventually prevail in all ethnicity's. I just wish it were sooner than later.

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  • M. SchumannNovember 15, 2012 - 2:47 pm

    It’s really disheartening listening to all of the above intellectuals, the fact is the s----t is going to hit the fan and all of us are going to be losers. You can’t rob Peter to pay Paul, Peter always goes broke.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 3:00 pm

    Perhaps Mr. Schumann can tell us how the fecal matter will hit the rotating blades, as the finances of Peter and Paul are individuals with zero nexus with a nation.

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  • RichardNovember 15, 2012 - 4:33 pm

    I just went outside to check the sky for myself after Fox News reported it was falling, looks good to me, only thing out there was my Republican neighbors putting obstacles on the roadway.

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  • redmenace007November 15, 2012 - 5:54 pm

    Gibney, you bet we are not going to allow a 3rd party that looks, feels and smells like your obvious party, the Tea Baggers. You sound so Bagger common place.

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  • Ken SteersNovember 15, 2012 - 7:08 pm

    To all my conservative compatriots. Let me ask you one question. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Heck no! And to my socialist masters who believe that I'm a freak'n moron? Well that is probably so but I have one word for all of you. RED DAWN...

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  • bucolic plagueNovember 15, 2012 - 7:12 pm

    The Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 15, 2012 - 7:16 pm

    Did too - Japanese myth = equals false flag - why else concentrate first and primairily on Germany - the Germans did it

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  • bucolic plagueNovember 15, 2012 - 7:21 pm

    Youre rite, Verkamp. Temporarily the story line got misplaced.

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 15, 2012 - 7:22 pm

    Ah redmenace..such a useful idot ( Itire of using this term but it so fits) but please, feel free to use all your worn out names and talking points. Mind you as well, I have owned a Gadsen flag way before any tea party. Funny really, you sound like such an MSNBC parrot. and you call people who observe FOX idiots??? Well by all means, have at it kid, the rest of us will sit back and sadly laugh as each debacle unfolds All the while you and the media will defend the actions of this administration regardless of its failures...Again it's going to be a fascinating four years. Cheers and don;t forget to wave as you trip down the rabbit hole! :) BTW at least I and others have no need to hide behind silly little names. Perchance that may require a little more testicular fortitude on your part however..??

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  • Ken SteersNovember 15, 2012 - 7:26 pm

    A strange situation I observed this week that I would like to warn the good people of our county about. A grey haired man in his sixties with a ball cap on sideways his pants were hanging down and he was wearing a gold bridge in his mouth. He had an Obama '12 on the roof of his car in the Home Depot parking lot carrying a 40 ounce bottle of colt 45 blaring rap music screaming out to everyone who could here that all you crackers are now his bitxx's! I hope mental health will be able to help that poor man.

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  • RichardNovember 15, 2012 - 7:38 pm

    Ah, Red Dawn, Yes, you would like that one, I can see how you could get into a movie about a high school football team single-handedly defeating the Soviet army. As I recall Red Dawn embodied Reagan's "we'll kill the commies with our awesomeness" spirit better than any movie except maybe Rocky IV was ranked among the best conservative films in the 1980s.

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  • Thomas GibneyNovember 15, 2012 - 7:49 pm

    Ken your killin me her..LOL ah buts all good homey, let us be getting down with our cracker selves and join our bretheren. I shall find me some Couvasier and a littl OE800 ..and ..Oh crap I think I am a racist conservative..damn It's all true ! All conservatives are racist?? I better listen to Rachel Madcow And Chris tingle my leg Mathews and atone for my crackerness...hehe I swear Sometimes I cracker myself up so much...

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  • DB SmithNovember 15, 2012 - 7:57 pm

    Yes Richard, Red Dawn & Rocky were some good movies. My grandsons and I really enjoyed them. You sound bitter about good American motivational movies. I would bet your favorite type of movie would be along the lines of "Reefer Madness". Cheer up while it last because the chill up your leg will not last forever.

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  • Ken SteersNovember 15, 2012 - 8:00 pm

    Thomas I'm not sure but I think that old dude might have been a Venezualen subversive planning their assault after they parachute into Lake Tahoe. Just like RED DAWN. BTW Pondo kid one of my boys Bradley Waldow is beating Utah St as we speak.

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  • Ken SteersNovember 15, 2012 - 8:07 pm

    Richard my socialist master are you ill? A little advice. You won, you personally with your genious now not only run California, America, but the entire world!!!! Yea you.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 8:55 pm

    General Smith, surely you remember in the Tea/Republican Officer Basic Course where you learned that you don't pit high school kids against an organized military force. The movie may have been entertaining, but it was merely a fantasy cartoon. I guess you've forgotten because its been a long time since you were a Second Lieutenant (Butter Bar).

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 8:59 pm

    I don't believe the story about the old guy in the Home Depot parking lot, because if true he would have had his baseball hat on backwards, not sideways.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 9:02 pm

    Mr. Gibney, I respect your opinions even thought they don't match mine, but I wonder if you can tell me some of the debacles you see coming in the next four years.

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  • RichardNovember 15, 2012 - 9:24 pm

    With considerable regret I must make my personnel observation of John McCain public; I honestly feel, former Naval Aviator, John McCain, should resign from the position of Congressman of the Great State of Arizona. Maybe we should have listened more closely to Senator McCain’s flying mates when he first came on the political stage.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 9:33 pm

    Senator McCain has ridden on the coattails of his Admiral father since he was 18. I served with a number of "famous name" officers -- all were entitled except one: Montgomery Meigs. Monty was a gentleman and never rubbed it in that if he avoided robbing the Post Exchange he would retire as a four star general. Senator McCain is what he is: entitled.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 15, 2012 - 9:46 pm

    "his Admiral father" ran the Hanoi Hilton? WOW! The things some fathers will do . . .

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:01 pm

    Neither John McCain or his father ran the Hanoi Hilton. It was run by the North Vietnamese.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 15, 2012 - 10:12 pm

    Well I'll be damned! If what you say is true, Colonel, how was it that McCain wrangled free room and board there for all those years? Who'd he know?

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:24 pm

    Mr. Veerkamp, you will have to give me more so I can comment. The North Vietnamese knew his father was an Admiral and that's why they offered him early release. He declined to his credit. However, had he accepted he would have been finished in the Navy and his father would not have been able to help him in that. What is your point exactly? Hoe did he get to stay at the Hanoi Hilton? Who did he know? Your sarcasm fails -- he checked into the hotel when his jet was shot out of the sky -- no references were needed as you well know.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:26 pm

    *** How

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  • Ken SteersNovember 15, 2012 - 10:28 pm

    Good lord almighty. This is what it looks like when all these old socialist farts win? Pathetic! Leads us great socialist zealot hero's of the campaign. The election is over you have won. The Republican party lost. Collect your trophies. But guess what, you have no more windmills to slay. Unless you just want to skip the next 2 years and go straight to campaigning for 2016? I can't wait until Joe Biden is President. He's clean, articulate, a real credit to his race. Or maybe a Pelosi/Reid ticket? I just got goose bumps. Anyone else see that 60 something grey haired white dude with the Obama '12 on the roof of his car yelling race baiting hate speech in parking lots? Somebody help that poor pathetic old man.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:39 pm

    I remember going to lunch at the Army & Navy Country Club in Arlington. I looked around at all the old farts and, now, 30 years later, I are one.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:42 pm

    *** make that honorary old fart. The ones I observed at the Club were 90 plus years old, so I have a way to go to get to full status.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 15, 2012 - 10:48 pm

    Sorry, Colonel. Upon closer examination I now see that you have twelve foreword gears with a split rear end, but your reverse is out.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:54 pm

    Mr. Veerkamp, a sarcastic non-reply because you are unable to continue.

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  • James E.November 15, 2012 - 10:57 pm

    We are finished here. Good night.

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  • RichardNovember 15, 2012 - 11:05 pm

    Yes, John McCain did a difficult 5 ½ years as a POW of the North Vietnamese. Many that know him then say he is still haunted by his experience and fearful of any opening up of information that could revive previously unpublished details of his nagging history as a POW. I for one think his personal demons have caught up with him, why else would he be acting as he is with the entire world watching during a period our country is so fragile.

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 16, 2012 - 7:26 am

    Mr. Gibney....Yes, I did read you post, It is food for thought and it does shed of lot of light on things....Thanks

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  • arnold langeNovember 16, 2012 - 9:51 am

    the germans bombed pearl harbor? you all are aware that statement was from the movie animal house and has no basis in fact. (except in the brains of the moronic right).

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  • bucolic plagueNovember 16, 2012 - 10:05 am

    Finally . . . someone noticed. Welcome back, Arnold.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 16, 2012 - 10:07 am

    arnold lange - My bad! I obviously over estimated the obviousness of my obvious sarcasm when I supported the "Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" assertion of Ken Steers. Everybody knows that it was the neocon progenitors of the false flag 9/11/2001 attack. Not the Germans – sorry. In fact, not even the Japanese . . . BUSH/CHENEY . . . shush!

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  • R.J. CarterNovember 19, 2012 - 7:32 am

    Yup...Animal House in which Jim Belushi said "Did we give up after Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor?".....Funny movie.... ...Side note....Many historians claim that the British had prier Intel about the attack on Pearl Harbor, but none of Japan's alias including Germany were told about the raid in advance....Hitler's Germany only found out about the attack afterwards along with everyone else.....Weird.

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  • James E.November 19, 2012 - 8:09 am

    Hitler's two major strategic mistakes: Declaring war on the USA, and invading Russia.

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  • Leon Batfish Jr.April 02, 2014 - 8:12 am

    Evelyn......Summer bridge it is.!!!.....BUT.....Upon looking for "Sour Grapes" in the MD search engine I did come across this very old letter penned by my favorite scribe titled "America lost in political ‘sea change’ .......I remember the letter from years ago.......No doubt, the writer was a true visionary and renaissance man who's "rapier wit" was only rivaled by his savoir-fare and unmatched skill to weave the written word......His insight had always brought a breath of fresh air to the MD.... I wonder what ever happen to him??........

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  • no PJs at WalMartApril 02, 2014 - 8:26 am

    Dear Leon Batfish Jr.: Indeed true that which you write about the author being a "true visionary and renaissance man" whose "insight had always brought a breath of fresh air to the MD". Word is that he'll be crossing over the SPRING BRIDGE. Watch for him!

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