Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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More uninsured

EDITOR:

California Kaiser Permanente is canceling 160,000 policies because they do not meet the standards of Obamacare.

Florida Blue is canceling 300,000 policies because they do not meet the standards of Obamacare.

Obamacare is responsible for the cancellation of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of policies in other states.

The Federal Register, July 23, 2010, interim final rule stated that up to 10 million people would not be grandfathered, thus losing their health care insurance.

Many people are losing their current health care provider and not being able to sign up for Obama’s health care before Jan. 1, which will add more people to those numbers without health care.

Will we have more uninsured as of Jan. 1 than we did one year ago?

BILL SNODGRASS
Camino

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Discussion | 22 comments

  • 1036-FrankNovember 04, 2013 - 5:23 pm

    This new govt. pyramid scheme insurance plan looks like it will take insurance away from anyone with a middle income who doesn't have a group plan and those self employed and not on a group plan and those who purchased their own insurance. The new deductibles forced on those who have to buy this are unbelievable to put it mildly and will either bankrupt people or they will risk doing without and take the fine. This plan looks to benefit only low income people most of who already qualify for low income insurance like medi-cal. This is a complete disaster and biggest train wreck since LBJ and the 700 million spent on this govt. website could of been used to create a pool to buy insurance for those who were not covered.

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 6:54 am

    ocommycare, insurance for all by making 60+million more uninsured. Wait until the delay for group plans expires. You can only delay the impact of leftist totalitarianism for so long. All governments gravitate toward tyranny. Historical fact.

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  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 7:39 am

    No; not historical fact. Yes; Cookie historical fiction. Please share with us this 'historical fact' of tyranny for the countries of Costa Rica, Monaco, Greenland, Norway, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 8:48 am

    Morris, is there some part of the term "historical" that you are unfamiliar with? It is a slow creeping continual motion towards bigger government and smaller freedoms. The viscosity is based strictly on the education of the populace. Thomas Jefferson observed the same exact thing even in his time. A truth that has been proven repeatedly since. Here are a couple of quotes from him that would serve you well if you had any respect for the preservation of liberty and freedom. "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." -- "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 8:52 am

    Morris, I am curious why you didn't include America in your list?

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  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 9:00 am

    I'm curious as to why we're still waiting for those historical fact details about the first list submitted. We can circle back to America; I know you are kinda busy right now gathering all those specific details and references for Costa Rica Monaco GreenlandNorway Denmark Australia New Zealand Canada......et al

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  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 8:55 am

    Just as suspected: Ya got nothing. I did however just score 20 bucks on a hand playing CookiePoker... Went all in for complete dodge of direct answer followed by a quote. (From someone other than cookie) Buddy was holding firm to 'respond to question with a question'. (He's kinda new)

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 9:52 am

    Morris, of those countries you listed have they grown in freedom or shrunk? Australia has banned citizens from owning guns. Australia does not have explicit freedom of speech in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights. The results of their last election was to throw out the leftists. Costa Rica has checks a balances that would leave the American left screaming bloody merder [sic] in this country. They strictly enforce and eliminate the corruption that takes place with lifetime government appointments and pubic sector contracts. I only wish we could adopt some of their practices. But the left would never allow it. Their electoral process is supervised by an independent Supreme Electoral Tribunal--a commission of three principal magistrates and six alternates selected by the Supreme Court of Justice. They prevent vote fraud. Monaco is a Constitutional Monarchy where with male descendants take precedence over female descendants. America wouldn't stand for that, in fact we had a small skirmish with the last monarchy to rule over this country. Again are freedoms retracting in Monaco? Freedoms are retracting all over the globe. New Zealand is interesting given the fact that many Americans with means are moving there. What does that suggest? You can name any country on the planet it makes no difference since the question is are freedoms being lost through the expansion of government. Tyranny is the natural order throughout history. Trying to spin it may make you feel better but it doesn't change history. Has this country, the pinnacle of freedom and liberty moved towards tyranny? Will every other country continue to move towards tyranny? We only KNOW what history shows us. And history shows us without question that governments gravitate toward tyranny. You can be part of the group who asks "how did we get here?"

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Morris...no Tyranny in Costa Rica...but something interesting. Tell the sock puppets "hi". Now im going to have to look up the other names you wrote down. A new Figueres Presidency to hand Costa Rica over to the U.N. - See more at: http://real-agenda.com/2012/09/24/a-new-figueres-presidency-to-hand-costa-rica-over-to-the-u-n/#sthash.QgsgnYCY.dpuf

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 9:32 am

    Morris im trying to help here..gotta tell ya buddy...not good choices so far...Costa Rica was good :) The Spaniards did come upon them...but kind of left them alone. Norway, New Zealand...Cookie has those points. (Vikings and prisoners--bloody fighting.) Denmark: Christian II where he was also known as Christian the Tyrant. (palms up.) I will keep working on it buddy...later...maybe you could find other examples :)

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Morris, since it seems to be over your head I will illustrate it for you in simpler terms. We are a country founded on freedom and liberty. We have 3 Constitutional branches of government. Since the adoption of the Constitution we have exploded to 600+ government agencies many of which create laws and regulations outside of any authority. We have more laws on the books than you can count. Every one of those laws are a restriction on freedom. Is that or is it not moving in the direction of tyranny? This country was not founded for the purpose of the federal government. There is no we the government, by the government, for the government. How could you possibly make the case that freedom is not contracting in this country? I know you won't answer even a single question I ask, you will do your usual misdirection of accusing me of avoiding some idiot inquiry from you based on complete nonsense. Simple question Morris, are we having our freedoms restricted and dictated or not? Yes or no. I won't hold my breath.

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 10:26 am

    Morris, I am of the conclusion that your knowledge of history wouldn't fill a thimble. From Nebakanezer thru obama, history records governments gravitating in ONE direction. Not towards freedom and liberty. It also shows that tyranny ends the same way it ended in this country 230 odd years ago and then once again begins down the same road that Thomas Jefferson was talking about. I think when it comes to which observation of governments I will choose to lean towards I will lean towards Jefferson's rather than Morris'.

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 11:12 am

    Morris, I realize the connection between tyranny and crony capitalism will be lost on you but this is part of the process that leads to loss of liberty and freedom. A process that has grown under hope and change. http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/d-c-awash-in-contracts-lobbying-wealth/article_53336d9b-a75f-5a1a-bb19-d46d3186a960.html

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  • cookie65November 18, 2013 - 11:36 am

    Rumor has it that fencepost has a piece from an intellectual (as measured by one's ability to recite leftist dogma) listing 12 reasons why obama is one of the best presidents ever. No joke. If you read it while drinking any kind of beverage you WILL experience some fluid exiting thru your nose. They have always been impossible to take seriously but they are now abandoning the illusion of mental stability.

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  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 11:37 am

    So to make sure we are on the same page here (and I win another hand at CookiePoker, you are PRO tyranny when it comes to the strict laws of Costa Rica and simultaneously CON tyranny on Australia when it comes to the strict laws of....errrrr...Australia. You should not waste your talents here Cookie. Politics needs you to serve and not serve your country... Cookie 2014: 'The choice that goes both ways'

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  • cookie65November 19, 2013 - 8:20 am

    Morris, you do a better tap dance that jay carney. It reeks of a third grade mentality. It doesn't take a doctorate degree to see the transformation taking place in this country away from freedom. It doesn't take an in depth study of history to know it has been repeated across the millennia. The recorded history of man is earmarked by conquests, conquering and tyranny. The most famous historical characters are generally remembered for WHAT? Was the inquisition tyranny? Maybe someday if you ever grow up you can have an intellectual discussion on the subject rather than what you do. Hopefully by that time political correctness hasn't made in impossible for us to discuss it. I know you will pretend none of this conversation has taken place and you have defeated the exposure to your ignorance and will accuse me of avoiding some pixie dust argument you invent but you still haven't responded to even one of my inquiries. Has this country moved toward tyranny from its original founding based on " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--" Yes or No? It was true in the time of Jefferson and it is still true today. The only think you are winning is the most ignorant award.

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  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 11:47 am

    Good points Fran. Perhaps I should have mentioned the qualifier used in selecting the examples (had to set a cutoff somewhere after Australopithecus yet before the end of the Mayan calendar.) So the baseline for 'modern' history I went with 1776...seemed fair. In hindsight it would have been helpful to mention) thanks for the good input. Sockpuppet says hey.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 18, 2013 - 12:28 pm

    :) Morris

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  • ResidentNovember 18, 2013 - 12:36 pm

    I can see your all enjoying a good rant, and wonder what you all do for a living to have this much time to spend. Just for fun I am adding this, Regarding Australia's gun control measures here is some information: "Australia had 13 gun massacres in the 18 years before the 1996 gun reforms, but has not suffered any mass shootings since. Studies found a marked drop in gun-related homicides, down 59 percent, and a dramatic 65 percent drop in the rate of gun-related suicides, in the 10 years after the weapons crackdown" yes, sounds like hell doesn't it? (side note, I am a gun owner and my family are hunters) http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/03/us-usa-guns-australia-idUSBRE9320C720130403 I have family in Australia, UK, Denmark, Holland and they all, ALL of them are thankful they have their health care, and even their College covered!!! They do pay higher % in taxes but surprisingly not that big of a difference that we do here in certain tax brackets. ALL of them think we are crazy for not wanting this as well. (Though to be fair, they too are dealing with the refugee situations that is chronic through out the world and how to incorporate them into the system and pay for it as well) And finally as a person who has always been self employed and paid for Individual Health Insurance, I lost my favorite plans every year when it was time to re-enroll. Kaiser specifically would cancel the plan we were on, offer three suggested plans, with less coverage and hiked up fees. If we did not take those or let our coverage lapse due to financial hardship, my boys who have preexisting conditions would not have been covered. We were hostages to their system. Don't look at private health insurance plans as the good ole days. Because they weren't. It's the Insurance companies bad behavior that has brought us here.

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  • ResidentNovember 18, 2013 - 12:39 pm

    Now back to work, have to support myself somehow don't I.

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  • Little RickyNovember 18, 2013 - 1:22 pm

    http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/26353/bill-introduced-congress-exempt-legal-marijuana-federal-gun-laws/

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  • Dee#1November 18, 2013 - 12:50 pm

    Dear Resident, thank you for your hard work. Most of the commentators have worked for decades at various occupations and we are now able to spend time commenting. Hope you have a good day and an easy commute.

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