Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Assault weapons defined

EDITOR:

On Dec. 28, 2012, Wendy Schultz (Opinion Page) wrote, “I am not a fan of guns and I do not believe there is any reason a civilian needs an automatic weapon.” Congress has outlawed automatic weapons, also called machine guns, for civilian use since 1934. Only the military and law enforcement are allowed to have them.

The weapons that you are referring to are called semi-automatic and are not a true “assault rifle.” This is California’s anti-gun definition. True assault rifles are capable of firing select fire or full auto, in a manner comparable to the U.S. Army M4A1 Carbine. Rifles for the civilian market are restricted to semi-automatic operation only, in which the trigger must be pulled to initiate each shot. The civilian rifles were never select fire or full auto (a category of firearms relegated to military use only in terms of its operation). The semi-automatic action of the so-called “assault rifle” is identical to the action of other countless and legal, self-loading handguns, rifle and shotguns.

So, Wendy, since full automatic rifles (machine guns) have already been banned what new law would you suggest we put on the books? Ban all semi-automatic weapons, both which look like military rifles but aren’t, and all legal civilian hunting rifles that have the same action?

I doubt weapons are the problem since all of the recent shooters have proven to be mentally unbalanced and had stolen the weapons they used. You have a right not to like guns, but please, don’t call semi-automatics a machine gun or an assault weapon. There is a difference.

HERM WILMOTH
Shingle Springs

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  • RichardFebruary 13, 2013 - 7:15 am

    Same old NRA bull-sh-t efforts to defend and sell more guns: not a true assault weapon, good for hunting, entirely a mental health problem: Those of us who where in the Marine Corps during the 60s were taught and learned from experience that using the AR-16 on semi-automatic mode, which is equivalent to the AR-15, is preferred and most efficient for close in fighting and killing quantities of people. There are situations in the military when full automatic is preferred, an example walking point (lead man for a column) when you don’t know what you may be confronted with and have back-up, automatic would be the preferred mode. Automatic empties twenty rounds from a magazine in the time it takes to say, good morning to you and your family, leaving you with an empty weapon and most often the near by pagoda full of stray rounds. The concern many of us have with the AR-15 is, it’s fast and efficient on semi-automatic mode, cheap magazines can be purchased to increase its fire power, can be purchase from almost any gun store and out guns most police. Additionally, in the late 60s though 80s and even on line occasionally today millions of SEAR kits were sold at gun shows and gun stores across our nation which easily convert the AR-15 to full automatic making them even more efficient. Wendy is correct, "they is no place in civilized society for these weapons."

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  • EvelynFebruary 13, 2013 - 7:31 am

    Speaking of civilized societies, Richard, you'll be pleased to know that Christopher Dorner MAY be dead. Police say they have 'reason to believe' the charred remains found inside the cabin they set on fire are his. It could take days or weeks to positively identify the body. - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 13, 2013 - 7:36 am

    Police Audio From Dorner Siege: "Burn This M.f*****r" - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 13, 2013 - 7:48 am

    "Obama’s Expanding Kill List" - HERE - 24% [of registered voters] agree with the Obama regime that it is permissible for the government to murder its own citizens on accusation alone without trial and conviction of a capital crime.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 13, 2013 - 8:18 am

    Evelyn, in the above comment, points out something that, combined with the NDAA (end of due process) should scare the daylights out of any freedom loving American. All this gun control hype is a major distraction from some REAL theft of our civil liberties in the US.

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  • EvelynFebruary 13, 2013 - 8:36 am

    . . . as it's meant to be, Paddy.

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  • Assault weaponFebruary 13, 2013 - 8:41 am

    Why is that weapon of war in civilian use and so easily acquired across the country? Why is it not restricted for military and law enforcement use only? Not only is there no federal ban on assault weapons, the vast majority of states have no specific laws restricting these dangerous weapons or high-capacity magazines. Yes, bad people could still get them on the black market. Yes, handguns kill far more people in America than weapons like the AR-15. So what? Reasonable people can agree that such weapons can be restricted among civilians without threatening the Second Amendment rights of others.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 13, 2013 - 8:53 am

    Richard aka Jeff aka Assault weapon, ever heard of the NDAA?

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 13, 2013 - 9:43 am

    Every liberal seems to know what you need or don't and are experts in the field. There is no such rifle as an AR-16, never has been. The point that felons have in possession modified to full auto weapons proves that is where the focus should be, locking up criminals and the armed mentally ill, not the law abiding, tax paying, business and home owning citizen. Most who have served their country do not support new gun control laws for the law abiding but do support tough new laws and enforcement of current laws against felons owning firearms and the mentally ill. The fully automatic AK series of rifles are available throughout the world for under a hundred dollars, what does it prove? I would love to see these brilliant liberals go to Russia and China and tell them to stop production for a safer world. I can guess a long time in the Siberian Gulag or Chinese Labor camp would be the result.

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  • RichardFebruary 13, 2013 - 10:09 am

    The AR-16 is an assault rifle designed by the ArmaLite Company to replace the AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. Crawl back in your hole Frank, as a group of gun nuts you have no credibility and are on the wrong side of history.

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 13, 2013 - 10:24 am

    A history of the Armalite AR series shows there were three production rifles made using the AR-16 designation, it was never issued and never adopted into use by military or others. The wrong side of history is supporting disarming or legally making new confusing laws that apply to the law abiding citizens while releasing thousands of felons early and allowing criminal gangs to grow to the point entire cities are unsafe. Those ar ethe real crime problems.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 13, 2013 - 11:13 am

    Again, Richurd, AKA Jeff, AKA Assault Weapon, has demonstrated that he is a liar. The AR16 was never put in service by our military, in which Richurd allegedly served (but did not). Your credibility is down into negative integers now Sparky. You're not even good for entertainment purposes.

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  • RichardFebruary 13, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    Your correct Frank, you can come out of your hole now. Early 1966 they took our M-14s away and give us the M-16 w/ 20 round magazines, the AR-16 is basically the same weapon.

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 13, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    During the Civil War, the Henry rifle was the "Devil Gun" it fired 16 shots as fast as the lever could be cycled and it helped the Union win the war. The M-14 was and is a fine rifle, too heavy for all day marches but it tended to be accurate and surpassed what the NVA and VC had from Russia. The M-14 is a good and valuable rifle if you can find one. The civilian M1A1 is as well. The AR series are also good rifles and are owned by millions of honest law abiding people who use them for a variety of things. What is getting way too confusing is each state's gun laws are different and troublesome for the law abiding citizen and law enforcement. There has to be some agreement on how to deal with the criminal use of guns by the people who should not have access to them. This will immediately reduce misuse of guns and crime and make the country safer.

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  • RichardFebruary 13, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    "There has to be some agreement on how to deal with the criminal use of guns by the people who should not have access to them. This will immediately reduce misuse of guns and crime and make the country safer." Frank, if your were to add background checks for all sales and limiting the number of AR type weapons that can be manufactured thus limiting the number in circulation, we would have some common ground. We don’t need millions more AR-type weapons in circulation for the simple reason, trying to control them in ten years I would guess would be impossible.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 13, 2013 - 2:46 pm

    By any and all means, Richurd, lets limit the number of AR15s that can be manufactured, thus doubling the cost of them the day after the legislation is passed, and at the same time, reducing crime by less than 3%. Did you know that AR15s are used in less than 3% of all gun crimes? Is this the best you've got?

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  • billzzFebruary 13, 2013 - 3:53 pm

    Some information,knowing the situation is not going to change and the real problem is the nut behind the trigger. Anyway, the term "assault rifle" comes from the German Sturmgewehr SIG 44. It was copied by the Russians and became the AK-47 (and as an aside they copied the German Leica and the US P-40 and in Soviet films they are Russian inventions.) Anyway, the Russian training was not very high quality because the troops were mostly illiterate, so they were armed so as to assault an objective, spraying in every direction. The Russians did not expect them to come back. The US system of individual replacement was not followed by the Russians. New people formed new units and they followed the old decimated units into battle. If anyone did try to come back they were probably shot. Anyway (again) the physical difference is that the assault rifle could withstand many bullets in a short time without overheating, as opposed to the ordinary rifle. So "detuning" one to semi-automatic does not remove the capability of high rates of fire (as fast as one can pull the trigger.) I can attest that the US M-16 can fire as fast in semi-automatic as a Garand M-1 or M1A1 carbine in full automatic. But the Garands will overheat very quickly, the M-16, probably not. It is also very easy to convert a semi-automatic M-16 or AR-15 back to the full automatic mode. So easy I do not write about it. But the crazy people who do crazy things don't need advanced weapons training. The gun is deadly enough, without any training. That was the original purpose - to make an otherwise poor soldier a killing machine - and remember the Russians did not want the soldier to return, and most crazy people, who do crazy things, seem to kill themselves. So restricting weapons seems not the point, and I hope this helps.

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  • rodFebruary 13, 2013 - 5:24 pm

    The gun chatter nonsence is all moot very soon. New home made 150W PULSED laser that runs off jeep cigaret lighter... you DON'T want to 'see it'. EZ to make ... and a terrible weapon. So are they going to start banning lasers? How about gasoline cocktails? Semi automatic cross bows? You see guns aren't really the problem... ARE THEY

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  • RichardFebruary 13, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    Whats wrong with the conclusions of several of the last half dozen posts? “So restricting weapons seems not to be the point,"“doesn’t reduce crime,”focus should be locking up criminals,” “criminal use of guns by the people who should not have access to them.” What’s wrong? There all bits and pieces of NRA talking points. Banning assault type weapons completely or at least limiting the number that can be manufactured is a must do now. We don’t need millions more than the 2 ½+ million AR-15 type weapons already in circulation for the simple reason, trying to control them in ten years would be impossible.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 13, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    Dickie, did you not hear? less than 3% of gun crimes are committed with AR15s. Your life's work is essentially a waste...

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 13, 2013 - 9:08 pm

    Richurd, did you not hear? less than 3% of gun crimes are committed with AR15s. Your life's work campaigning against the AR15 is essentially a waste...so sad

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 14, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Paddy, could it be that Richard's goal for eliminating the AR is manifested by his love and ownership of the SKS? We all understand that everything the democrat socialist are proposing nationally is already in place in California.

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  • RichardFebruary 14, 2013 - 8:53 am

    The new gun bill would stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacture of more than 100 specialty firearms and certain semi-automatic rifles, as well as limiting magazines to 10 rounds or less. The restrictions would not apply to guns owned before enactment of any law. Bill proposal exempts from the ban more than 2,000 models used for hunting or sporting purposes

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Wallet found in burnt out cabin, apparently surviving the inferno that charred Dorner's human remains. HERE

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 14, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    Does anybody else find it odd that the "body" of Dorner was charred, and the cabin burned down, but they found his wallet with an ID card that survived?..... ???

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  • James E.February 14, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    Paddy, given the comments of law enforcement over the police scanner, there is lots to wonder about.

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  • EvelynFebruary 14, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    Paddy: The survival of the ID is not at all odd. For over 11 years we've known that a document can survive raging infernos capable of bringing down 110 story steel structures. Unfortunately, man himself is less durable.

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 9:01 am

    Was Chris Dorner NDAA'd? (5min. video) - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Dorner "cause of death unclear" - HERE

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2013 - 9:21 am

    - Evelyn, Paddy – A probable (easy really) explanation - An ID inside a wallet in a back pocket of a body lying face up is protected. Straining to construct a conspiracy is not helpful.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Asking, "Was Chris Dorner NDAA'd?" is a waste of breath and good monitor ink. Dorner was a kook nutburger. end of story - LINK - Court papers from 2006 show that Dorner requested a restraining order against a woman he had dated for six weeks after he said she posted his LAPD badge number and trash-talked about him on a website called dontdatehimgirl.com. - "Just be careful because this guy is a police officer and he will probably think that he can get away with anything. ... If you value your sanity, stay away from this guy."

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2013 - 9:48 am

    PS - This Dorner conspiracy/NDAA/victim crap is about as helpful as that Russian who is asserting that the Russian meteorite is a secret U.S. weapon. The internet can be a sewer!!

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 12:46 pm

    Former LAPD cop Michael Ruppert believed Christopher Dorner. - HERE - "From my own experience as a Los Angeles police Officer and deep familiarity with both LAPD culture and history, I can say that with regards to Christopher Dorner's allegations regarding internal corruption, favoritism, racism and concealment of excessive force, I believe him 100%." … "This man needs to be brought in alive and he needs to be heard." He never got a chance. LAPD cops killed him. Ruppert predicted they would. They wanted him silenced. A SWAT team may have gunned him down. They surrounded his cabin. Gas was pumped in. LAPD cops made reference to "burners." One voice said "We're going to burn him out. Another shouted "f...king burn this motherf...king house down." One more said "Seven burners were deployed and we have a fire." … Voices were loud enough for CBS affiliate KCAL 9 to broadcast them live on air. Immediately the audio feed was cut. … They set Dorner's cabin ablaze. Fire department units were ordered not to respond. Dorner was incinerated. He never had a chance. Hours later his charred body was found. He expected to die. He said so on Facebook. Different versions of his manifesto exist. It denounces dozens of LAPD cops for corruption, racism and violence. On February 7, two Riverside police officers were shot. One died. Dorner was blamed. A massive manhunt ensued. High-tech surveillance and indiscriminate shootings followed. Rogue cops don't apologize for wrongdoing. Dorner knew how they operated. He went public explaining it. Doing so marked him for death. LAPD officials wanted him silenced. Extrajudicial killing is policy. Dead men tell no tales. … In 2007, [Dorner] witnessed white training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, kick an unarmed/handcuffed person of color in the stomach and face. He reported what he saw. He was fired for doing so. An LAPD Board of Rights said he lied.

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    "Police Ludicrously Claim Dorner Cabin Fire Was Not Intentional" - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    "Dorner’s Demise Links to ‘Corrupt’ Judge David Yaffe" - HERE - "Judge (Ret) David Yaffe and the case of the false imprisonment of former US prosecutor Richard Fine have been the subject of complaint of widespread public corruption and abuse of rights under the color of law," Zernik stated. "The complaint against David Yaffe, Lee Baca, and others involved in the case of Richard Fine was filed with the US Attorney Office in LA. The US Attorney refused to take any action, or even confirm receipt of the complaints." ... Judge Yaffe, who had reviewed Christopher Dorner's appeal on his dismissal from LAPD, resigned on corruption charges.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2013 - 1:25 pm

    LINK - Michael C. Ruppert - Until 2006, he published and edited From The Wilderness, a newsletter and website covering a range of topics including (international) politics, the C.I.A., peak oil, civil liberties, drugs, economics, corruption and 9/11 conspiracy theories. He is also the author of Crossing The Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil and was the subject of the 2009 documentary film Collapse - CRITICS - Columnist Norman Solomon has argued that Ruppert has a flawed analytical model. "Some of the problem is in how he characterizes news reports. These citations can be narrowly factual yet presented in a misleading way. Yes, such-and-such newspaper reported that thus-and-so claim was made by so-and-so. The paper reported on the claim, but that doesn't mean the claim is true." - Columnist David Corn has also criticized Ruppert's methodology, and dismisses the idea that conspiracy theorizing is useful: "In fact, out-there conspiracy theorizing serves the interests of the powers-that-be by making their real transgressions seem tame in comparison." Ruppert responded with an open public letter to Corn saying that Corn is not able to disprove any of Ruppert's claims.

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    (Stipulate: There are no conspiracies.) "The Nation and David Corn" - HERE: The best disinformation is mostly correct.

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    "The Lies of George W. Bush" (by David Corn) - HERE

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    In light of the fact that David Corn rips Bush it logically follows that David Corn’s assessment of Michael Ruppert deserves special consideration. . . . or . . . Let me guess. . . . David Corn is only right half the time?

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 3:24 pm

    In case you missed it the first time: HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 3:29 pm

    "Memorandum Of Points And Authorities" - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 3:32 pm

    Richard Fine On His Coercive Confinement in L A County Jail for Challenging Judicial Corruption EXCLUSIVE VIDEO (10 min) - HERE ********** Such information is not fit for public consumption in the mainstream media, whether TV or print. Hence, "it doesn't exist".

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 5:11 pm

    It's official - confirmed by AP, so we know for certain: Dormer shot himself in the head. ********** (Dee, re comment elsewhere: YES. THANKS.)

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 15, 2013 - 6:35 pm

    Evelyn, I got it the first time. The corrupt judge made him do it. Like here - LINK - The Devil made me do it.

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  • EvelynFebruary 15, 2013 - 6:49 pm

    I appreciate the humor. Thanks!

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 9:16 am

    "A big part of America died this week when the LAPD appointed themselves the judge, jury and executioners of Dorner. Somehow it feels like a part of the Constitution died as well."

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 16, 2013 - 11:50 am

    Evelyn, I know that it is a minor detail, but the source of your quote is mistaken in one small detail. It was not the LAPD. In line with the "incident command" structure it was Santa Barbara County running the show. For example, had Dorner been found in this county the incident would have been run by El Dorado County. Turf/ego matters – especially in law enforcement. If you are asserting that the big bad LAPD was bossing little Santa Barbara you should provide some evidence. Such unsubstantiated/false charges against an individual could have a pack of lowyers at your door. LINK - SAN BERNARDINO SHERRIF

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 16, 2013 - 11:55 am

    excuse me! - San Bernardino County - not Santa Barbara (or Los Angeles County)

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 16, 2013 - 11:58 am

    all those SOCAL counties look th' same ya know . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 16, 2013 - 12:44 pm

    1:35 PM PT — Police could be heard screaming at a reporter to "get the f*ck out" of the way during a gunfight with Dorner. 1:48 PM PT — It was confirmed that two officers are down with no word to the extent of their injuries. Dorner is said to be tossing smoke grenades at police. 2:52 PM PT — TMZ learned the L.A.P.D. SWAT team is being airlifted to the scene to assist. - - - LINK - a timeline

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 12:53 pm

    Phil: Checking various reports it does appear LAPD became sort of a generic reference for parts of the operation. Indeed, it is the San Bernadino Sheriff who apparently takes credit for bringing the manhunt to its culmination. Perhaps a similar error of attribution was made regarding the police scanner audio in which“LAPD” (San Bernardino?) officers are heard saying: "We're gonna go forward with the plan with the burner." "Like we talked about." "Burners deployed, and we have a fire." Repeated by dispatcher: "Burners deployed, and we have a fire." "(unintelligible)...mission success." "We have fire in the front. He might come out the back." "Looks like it's starting to collapse." "We're gonna start bringing fire in, about 200 yards out." "Break 61 Lincon, 61 Charlie, you ready for fire?" ********** Which county should be credited?

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    SCANNER

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 1:05 pm

    Police SCANNER audio, cabin fire.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 16, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    San Bernardino ran the operation. It is hard to find direct LAPD participation though they may have. LAPD were at the airport. The initial/major gun battle was exclusively DFG & San Bernardino.

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    SCANNER police audio ordering cabin burnt

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 1:12 pm

    SCANNER "Burn that motherf**** out"

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 16, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    suggest we consider possibility of radio hack - it IS possible and considering the energy of ANONYMOUS worthy of consideration

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  • EvelynFebruary 16, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    My error was in not checking out an article TITLE such as "LAPD Say They Didn’t Deliberately Burn Dorner Cabin Down" (HERE) when in the contents we find the San Bernardino Sheriff being quoted. When the lawyers hunt me down for making "unsubstantiated charges" I intend to plead mitigating circumstances.

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