Monday, April 21, 2014



The Reinhart-Rogoff study proclaims that high debt causes slow growth (so austerity is the answer). However, the study has been recently debunked as its conclusion was reached by the use of fuzzy math.

Simple math errors or ideology? The Reinhart-Rogoff study was funded by Pete Peterson, a billionaire who stands to make more billions if our social safety net is privatized. Mr. Rogoff is a member of the Board of the Peterson Institute, and Ms. Reinhart attends Peterson Institute functions along with such regulars as Paul Ryan and Alan Simpson.

Austerity is manufactured hysteria to make us believe that government spending is the problem, when in fact it’s low tax revenue. The Peterson/Reinhart/Rogoff fix was in to convince us to think otherwise.

I await Mr. Alger’s rant.


Letters to the Editor


Discussion | 68 comments

  • James E.April 29, 2013 - 4:50 pm

    Phil, I know you would want a preview prior to publication. Seems we cannot rely on anything anymore -- everything has the fix in.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 29, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Colonel, good evening - - - LINK - Lost in all this sound and fury is the real question that we should be debating: Is it appropriate to infer that high debt is driving slower growth, and hence governments need to take greater care before taking on debt? Or is lower GDP growth, or perhaps some other factor, the reason that debt burdens rise? If the observed correlations reflect the latter reason (and there are hints that it may), then the whole exercise has little relevance to public policy. - - - I say, lost on many is the hard math of high growth. We all just 3%, 4%, 5%, 6% growth . . . until the consequences of compounding ultimately produce an unsustainable bubble. Choose your misery. Slow, boring sustainable growth or fast exciting unsustainable growth. . . . . A = P(1+r/n)^nt ultimately produces an unsustainable result. Bernanke may actually know something . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 29, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    . . . We all just love 3% . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 29, 2013 - 8:51 pm

    Colonel, what th' hey?!!! I'm thinking that there are more immediate concerns than geeky chat over the Reinhart-Rogoff study. For instance - - - LINK - Several House Democrats are calling on Congress to recognize that climate change is hurting women more than men, and could even drive poor women to "transactional sex" for survival.

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  • James E.April 29, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    No, no Phil, geeky chat over the fix being in is much more important. And, as for those Democrats you mention, they're NUTS. Perhaps we should shoot for no growth or negative growth, and then we never have to fear the bubble and Hillary will be defeated in 2016. Now, I hunker down and await the wrath of Mr. Alger.

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  • JethroMcSwiftApril 30, 2013 - 8:26 pm

    Mr. Alger, JAMES E. LONGHOFER is calling you out. . . . calling Mr. Alger . . . Mr. Alger?

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  • James E.April 30, 2013 - 8:44 pm

    Mr. McSwift, I don't think Mr. Alger does the computer thing here on this thread. Once my letter is published, he will reply with the full force of his austerity rant in the paper. Actually, I'm not against limits on government spending because of so much waste -- I just think cuts must be combined with revenue. It cannot be just one without the other.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 01, 2013 - 7:59 pm

    James this is sort of a poor fit with Reinhart-Rogoff, but I trust you to forgive me. - - - LINK - Reid: More funding needed to prevent ObamaCare from becoming 'train wreck'

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  • DB SmithMay 01, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    Phil, I heard this on the radio today..."ObamaCare is like a monkey making love to a football". Affordable Care Act? Ha!

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 01, 2013 - 8:16 pm

    DB, would that be a male or a female football?

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  • James E.May 01, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    Phil, it was touch and go there for a while, but I forgive you.

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  • R.J. CarterMay 02, 2013 - 7:56 am

    Speaking of austerity the Kentucky Derby is this Saturday..AND...Because It is such a great American tradition with lots of big hats and loads of money floating around I'm sure King Obama is already thinking of ways to get his mitts on some of it....Who knows, maybe he'll impose a nice hefty tax on Mint Juleps and jockey whips?.....Anyway, I'll be heading for Tahoe to watch the ponies run...Maybe I'll lay some scratch down on a couple 50 to 1 long-shots...Hey, don't laugh, it's a lot better odds than Hillary has in 2016.

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  • James E.May 02, 2013 - 9:12 am

    R.J., if you want to beat Hillary in 2016 do not put any of the following on the Republican ticket: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Louis Gohmert, or Jeff Flake. Find a respectable Republican to run or you will have Hillary for eight years. Learn from Mitt Romney. OK, I was kidding about Louis -- he's totally nuts.

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  • DB SmithMay 02, 2013 - 9:23 am

    Colonel, I think the Hillbilly already has too many negatives going on and I know there will be more to come. Can America be that stupid? Woops...I take that statement back. Right now I'm more concerned for 2014. Stay tuned.

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  • R.J. CarterMay 02, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Wishful thinking Col...Even if she runs, Hillary already has way too much baggage to win...Plus, If history has shown us anything, by the year 2016 our Nation's political pendulum will have swung back fully to the side of the conservative, leaving any Republican with a pulse to beat Her like a rented mule..No pun intended...

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 02, 2013 - 9:58 am

    R.J. - - - Complete odds: 1. Black Onyx 50/1 2. Oxbow 33/1 3. Revolutionary 9/1 4. Golden Soul 50/1 5. Normandy Invasion 9/1 6. Mylute 16/1 7. Giant Finish 50/1 8. Goldencents 11/2 9. Overanalyze 14/1 10. Palace Malice 25/1 11. Lines of Battle 33/1 12. Itsmyluckyday 12/1 13. Falling Sky 50/1 14. Verrazano 4/1 15. Charming Kitten 25/1 16. Orb 4/1 17. Will Take Charge 20/1 18. Frac Daddy 40/1 19. Java's War 16/1 20. Vyjack 14/1

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  • James E.May 02, 2013 - 10:04 am

    R.J., against all odds I predicted Obama the winner in 2012. I now predict Hillary as the winner in 2016. As for a shift in thinking of voters, the Party of NO continues to being seen as the party of NO, and this will continue up to the 2016 election. Not smart to be the party of NO. And, the frosting on the cake is that women want a female president so some Republicans will have to vote for her or spend time sleeping on the couch. The female vote (with a few Republican husbands) will carry Hillary to the White House as a response to the Party of NO.

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  • R.J. CarterMay 02, 2013 - 10:12 am

    Phil....I think the wife is going with Goldencents at 11/2 to win, and black onyx at 50/1 to show...While myself, I do like Revolutionary at 9/1 and Charming Kitty at 25/1, but doing a little research I do think Goldencents is the best bet on the board, just have a feeling....

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  • cookie65May 13, 2013 - 6:46 am

    I find it interesting that it would require "a study" to conclude the obvious. Debt consumes resources, resources that could otherwise be used for productive purposes. Debt dollars don't produce anything. 40+% of Stockton's budget goes to public sector retiree benefits and that obligation keep growing. Is teaching our kids to save money bad financial advise? Should we instead be teaching them to acquire as much debt as possible and that their goal should be to make the interest on their debt be equal to their monthly income? obama came into office and threw a really big pile of money at the economy, or at least selected parts of the economy that helped him get elected and did things improve? Last time I checked the single cause of decline in unemployment is because they don't count the people who gave up looking for a job. Dependence breeds dependence, the new slogan for the leftists running this country should be "No Child Left A Dime".

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  • cookie65May 13, 2013 - 7:30 am

    Something that does not get any reporting or any attention from the media or even our elected representatives is the ever increasing taxation on small business. I know my fair share of small business owners and everyone of them say the same thing, what they pay in monthly taxes would allow them to hire multiple full time employees. For those of you who believe taxes have not gone up you couldn't be more wrong. It is insane what some of them pay in monthly taxes. There are those who believe that more taxation is needed to support the government because government will lead us out of this stagnant economy. Those are the people who refer to excessive taxation as "revenue". In order for what they believe to be true it would mean money has more value in the hands of government than it does in the hands of small business and the private citizen. And that is like believing that leftism is compassion. The federal government has become so big that they don't even know how many agencies there are.

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  • Ken SteersMay 13, 2013 - 10:18 am

    I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the study was debunked. Then your own summation of government spending not being a problem and low taxes is the real problem is pretty much only your own. The US citizen is the highest taxed person in the world. That's a fact. The only problem with their study is if high debt causes slow growth or does slow growth cause high debt. But in any case common sense would show that increased spending with out increasing taxes to compensate would cause a higher debt.

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  • DeeMay 13, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    James E-The Republicans Party is a party of No's. Well the Democrat Party is the Nanny Party. Oh wait, with the ages of the leaders,(Hillary-65, in 2016 she will be 69; Biden-70,in 2016 he will be 74; Kerry-69,in 2016 he will be 73;Reid-73, in 2016 he will be 77; Boxer-72, in 2016 she will be 76; Feinstein-79, she will be 83; and Pelosi-73, in 2016 she will be 77.)the Democrat Party isn't the Nanny Party, it is the GREAT-GRAND NANNY. No wonder they have such old fashion ideas.

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  • EvelynMay 13, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    Dee: There now seems to be a new Dee on this site? Are you the "old Dee"? Message for Dee #1: The Roundabout is on tomorrow night's City Council agenda.

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  • DeeMay 13, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Evelyn- If you count DeeDee, there are three. Thanks for update. I'm thinking about changing my name. We will see. But I'm the Tea Party Dee.

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  • Dee#1May 13, 2013 - 1:18 pm

    Evelyn, I thought that the City Council had already approved the EIR. What do you think of a referendum on the Roundabout?

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  • Dink LaneMay 13, 2013 - 1:26 pm

    1st point: A Univ of Mass Grad student was studying the way the Harvard 'experts' Reinhart-Rogoff got their RESULTS.... He couldn't reproduce it (Since then 4 other students and one professor tried and couldn't either.)..... 2nd point: Debit=What you owe, like your Mortgage. (Pay off your mortgage BEFORE you put food on the table?)... It's time we stop letting Legislators who couldn't get job in the public sector..... tell us about Math.... Democrat or Republican...

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  • James E.May 13, 2013 - 1:38 pm

    Austerity. I think Dink puts it in a way we can all understand -- would you pay off your mortgage before you buy food for your family? What sane person would? Well, of course Mr. Alger would as he would be debt free, but he and his family would be dead.

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  • Ken SteersMay 13, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    Based on our Progressive talking point of "would you pay off your mortgage before you buy food?" This statement meaning what? What food are we not buying? What are we mortgaging? What have we purchased with the sum we owe? Who do we plan to pay for it? Who are making the decisions? The reality is government spending is 40% of our National GDP. It is obvious that the goal of the democrat socialist is to have the government control 100% of the GDP.

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  • EvelynMay 13, 2013 - 2:25 pm

    Dee#1 - THIS is tomorrow night's Roundabout agenda item (35 pages): "SUBJECT: Review Information from April 30, 2013 Neighborhood Chat Regarding Clay Street Bridge and Cedar Ravine/Main Street Intersection Improvements and Direct Staff to Proceed with Design Workshop." To the best of my knowledge City Council to date has said nothing about the EIR. But the Court has said the City must do one before proceeding with any part of the project that was part of the 2011 Roundabout lawsuit. I'm uncertain whether the matter of the EIR will be addressed at tomorrow's meeting. Some think it will be. I don't know the order/timing of steps the City must take. But I DO KNOW that public input is required. PLEASE COME IF YOU CAN. Referendum? Worth considering.

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  • James E.May 13, 2013 - 2:40 pm

    Ken, think macro -- our national debt is around $16.5 Trillion. Not sure what we take in in federal taxes but let's assume $4 Trillion a year. In austerity, we pay $1 Trillion for defense and $1 Trillion for homeland security. The remaining $2 Trillion goes to our national debt. Everything else is gone. Tax money goes only to national defense, homeland security, and national debt. Not a dollar left for any other program. The "austerians" love this, but I don't. My letter to the editor stands without further comment.

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  • Dee#1May 13, 2013 - 2:49 pm

    Evelyn-I don't know if we make it or not. We are going out of town and will be making last minute arrangements. But I'll try. The Facebook site had info and I misread it, too big of a hurry. Hope to see you at the meeting.

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  • EvelynMay 13, 2013 - 3:28 pm

    Dee#1: The Roundabout discussion probably will be dealt with some time into the 2nd hour of the meeting. (That's my guess, based on it's placement on the Agenda and the particular items that come before.) Don't know if that helps.

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  • Dee#1May 13, 2013 - 4:32 pm

    Evelyn- Thanks. That does help. These meetings become very, very long.

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  • EvelynMay 13, 2013 - 4:37 pm

    L o o o n g, indeed. But a reminder: CC meetings now start at 6pm.

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  • Dee#1May 13, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    Evelyn-thanks for the reminder. We'll try to be there around 7:00 p.m.

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  • Ken SteersMay 13, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    James, we do not need to assume anything. Total Fed taxes last year was 2.3 Trillion dollars. The Government spent 4 trillion dollars. Our US total GDP was 14.8 trillion dollars. The US tax Payer paid 800 billion dollars in state taxes. Unless there is a different math then 33% our entire economy goes to paying for the government institution. James you seem to think that the government is running efficiently. I'll give you an example of where it doesn't. Do you think a government employee should retire at age 50 with full pay and benefits for the rest of their lives? Who's going to pay for this problem? Shouldn't they work like the rest of us until 65? Maybe at 50 have a fireman work in the school administration or some other management position?

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  • James E.May 13, 2013 - 7:15 pm

    Ken, proposed budget this year is 3.9 Trillion income, with 3.2 Trillion expenditures, with a deficit of 773 Billion. In that 3.2 Trillion we spend about 900 Billion in the military and same to Home Land Defense (not sure of exact amounts because a lot of it is black money) so about half goes to Defense/Home Land Security. I've never said the government runs efficiently. There is minimum to gross fraud, waste, and abuse in almost every Department. Strangely, our Congress doesn't want to focus on that, instead wasting their time on Hillary, voting for the demise of Obamacare, and screaming austerity. Maybe they don't want to focus on fraud, waste, and abuse because a lot of it goes to those who make contributions to them. Do firemen really get 100% of their pay and benefits in retirement? Think the CHP gets 90 percent and military officers get about 60% of their final pay plus benefits (said to be 75% but that is of the base pay). Solutions? I cannot speak to firemen (except to stop the practice making every other firemen a Chief) or the CHP, but I have often pondered on the massive loss of talent when military personnel retire in their 40s or 50s. There must be some way to capture that talent until they are 65. But, not sure how to do it without taking positions from civilians. Getting back to the "austerians," they want to make the government small enough to drown it in a bathtub (where have we hard this before?), with the only functions being defense/Homeland Defense and Congressional pay and benefits (retirement and health insurance), and paying off the national debt their only remaining interest. One final comment about early retirements just came to mind -- perhaps we should get civilians to fight the fires, patrol the highways, and fight the wars with no provisions for retirements. Look at the money the government could save.

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  • James E.May 13, 2013 - 7:18 pm

    *** srike hard, add heard.

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  • cookie65May 13, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    James, the $16.5 trillion debt figure excludes debt obligations. It is a government accounting trick to use calculations other than GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) which if used would include financial obligations such as pensions, healthcare and many other real costs. The debt under GAAP is north of $100 trillion. It is like the left jumping out of windows over sequester when in reality government spending went up.

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  • Ken SteersMay 13, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    James, It's not 3.9 trillion dollars income. It's the government spent 3.9 trillion dollars. The government raised only roughly 2.4 trillion dollars in taxes in 2112. We borrow roughly 1.4 trillion dollars to fund what ever it is we are spending it on. Yes fireman retire at 50 with their retirements fully funded. So do most fed workers like Air traffic controllers. Our government has been spending an average of 1.4 trillion dollars more a year than they raise in taxes these past 5 years. Taking the cap off of Social Security will not come close to covering the differential. Remember you wanted to tax the evil 1%'ers? The Fed as well as California did just that this year. Still a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit to cover. Here's the problem, the left doesn't think there is a problem. They even went the other way and had a 33% tax holiday on social security these last couple of years. The over spending isn't investing anything it's just spending. Reality is coming at us like a light in a tunnel. The question is who hears the whistle?

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  • James E.May 13, 2013 - 8:40 pm

    Ken, I said proposed income, not income from last year. We will have to see how close proposed income comes to actual income this year. In the interim, let's agree to disagree, as neither will convince the other. A final thought: Austerity is wrong in a period of a slow economy -- I've discussed this with Mr. Fred and I'm not even sure he understands the words austerity or increased revenue. Lucky little boy.

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  • cookie65May 13, 2013 - 9:22 pm

    The question of whether you would pay off your mortgage before you put food on the table is a seriously weak attempt at sweeping hundreds billions of government waste under the rug. Our government is addicted to spending and they will tell anyone willing to listen that cutting spending will bring everything crashing down. The same way a drug addict will lie, cheat and steal to get another fix. The more they spend, the more obligation they put on the taxpayer, and the further we get from growing the economy. Keynesian economics is a single generation theory. obama has added @ $6trillion to the national debt in just over 4 years and we are no closer to a recovery than when he started. He has managed to grow the number of people in poverty and that is about it. We are feeding an insatiable beast known as the federal government while at the same time assigning the American citizens into servitude of never ending debt where they won't be able to pay of their mortgage or put food on the table.

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  • James E.May 13, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    I read Cookie's comments on austerity without rancor.

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  • cookie65May 14, 2013 - 5:46 am

    James, that is probably because I didn't write down the first thing that popped in my head when I read the choice was mortgage or food. I spotted that for what it is the second I saw it. It is not an original thought from Dink. It is something he picked up somewhere else and is just repeating it. It is nothing more than a thoughtless, empty argument intended to be repeated. It can probably be traced down to some leftist blog or talking points source where they provide empty nonsense for the mindless lemmings to runaround repeating without ever thinking about what they are saying, kind of like hope and change. At this point it has probably spread all over the sites that tell the obama supports what to believe. Another thing you can be sure of is who ever coined believes there are no limits to how big government can be. The part that always astonishes me is how easily allegedly intelligent people will repeat such things without the first thought of how silly they sound.

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  • Ken SteersMay 14, 2013 - 7:28 am

    James, I re-read your 7:15 pm post from yesterday. As well as your L.T.E. It is very apparent that you don't actually realize the trouble we as a society, as a country and as a people are. I used to discuss the importance of a robust economy to facilitate paying for a large government. Now I sit back and watch those who believe, as you do, people spending their way out of debt. As I have stated many times, the finger pointing is over. The democrat socialist have their government. They run the country as well as the economy. Basic principals of mathematics and morality have no place in today's government. I do have a bitter appreciation of how people in Rome must have felt while Nero was burning it.

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  • cookie65May 14, 2013 - 7:32 am

    Here is an answer to the "mortgage/food" question. Like I said in an earlier comment, NEITHER.

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  • Dink LaneMay 14, 2013 - 11:16 am

    Cookie: Actually I have used the analogy for many years.... In many of my Mt. Democrat posts..... National DEBT = The amount you owe to SS, $$$ paid to states, Roads, Contractors building ships and such..........KEEP THE ROOF OVER THE COUNTRY'S HEAD............. Deficit = the bills you pay to keep the country going such as Military Pay, Police (the Grant to keep Stockton's force), Legislator's pay, and such..... PUTS $$$$ IN PEOPLES POCKETS SO THEY CAN FEED THEIR KIDS...... Get it? Not some Leftist theosophy (mystical insight).....

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  • Dink LaneMay 14, 2013 - 11:25 am

    One more thing -- When some knocks how BADLY the government works.... Just look at the "Private Prisons" or "Private Water Agencies."...... They are Private businesses.... So when a Murderer (Arizona) escapes and kills camper.... or when Water costs jump by 130% (Modesto) and the public has NO SAY .... ask yourself.... Who is REALLY getting off CHEAPER and MORE EFFICIENT?

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  • cookie65May 14, 2013 - 2:30 pm

    Dink, here is "your" talking point from huffpo. A place I have been booted from 4 times, once for using the term "fencepost". They have no use for a difference of opinion there. "Families Going Hungry To Keep Their Homes". Our future right before our eyes and still you and millions of others like you refuse to learn from it.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 4:19 pm

    RE - Reinhart-Rogoff LINK - The core trait of a scientific mind is that when its commitments clash with evidence, evidence rules. On that count, what grade do liberals deserve? Fail, given their reaction to the latest evidence on universal health care, global warming, and universal preschool.

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  • EvelynMay 14, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Good job with that BOLD. Clearly I'm a scientist!

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 4:42 pm

    Phil, always right wing sites. Come on. What do you expect from right wing authors working for right wing research organizations? There mission is to obfuscate with esoteric "knowledge," known but to a few right wingers. So, you gave me a F, I'll have to give you a F minus for a totally suspect reference. You can raise your grade if you will, in the future, just check the politics of the source before you use it as a reference. Other than that, it was just beautiful out today -- warm, but not too warm. Took Mr. Fred to the oncologist in Sacramento -- he continues to do well.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 5:42 pm

    from right wing ABC . . . LINK - When Marion Bower decided to start her tea party organization in 2010, she didn’t know that it would take nearly two years for the Internal Revenue Service to approve her request for tax-exempt status. . .. “They wanted to know what materials we had discussed at any of our book studies.” . . . She also sent a paperback copy of the Constitution.

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    Phil, right wingers have said that ABC is left wing media. How can you quote them given ABC is liberal media? Well, anyway, the IRS/Tea Party scandal will be interesting. Will someone at the IRS be charged? Will the IRS audit me this year? Actually, I laugh because I just this year found that my Schedule A is less that the standard deduction for old folks. So, this year and every year in the future, it's income, standard deduction, and how much I owe. I no longer live in fear of the IRS!!!!!! USA USA USA.

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 5:58 pm

    *** strike there, add their

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    James, you are such an accommodating fellow! I know you will not mind this - - - LINK - Joe Biden - U.S. Would Be 'Safer,' 'Happier' if Bullets Were Chocolate

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  • cookie65May 14, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    Phil, is there any reference to jesse jackson or rev. al ever having any delays in their tax exempt status? I wonder if Acorn ever got audited?

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    Cookie, do you have James' permission to junk up his tack board?

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  • cookie65May 14, 2013 - 10:08 pm

    I was going to offer this to James for his tack board. It may be a right-leaning site but if not for them, who else is going to report it?

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  • cookie65May 14, 2013 - 10:12 pm

    Phil, I always operated under the premise that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than to get permission. My dad always had an issue with my tactics.

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    Phil, if bullets were chocolate, we would be fatter. As you may recall, I have stayed out of the gun/Second Amendment debate because I don't know where the answer is along the continuum. No question the VP has his foot in his mouth a lot of the time.

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    Both Phil and Cookie have my permission for anything.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    Ahhh yes! - Lois Slow Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision . . . (I do not believe that a girl is going down on this)

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 10:26 pm

    Cookie, I read the site you provided. It looks like Ms. Lerner has been caught with her hand in the partisan cookie (no pun intended) jar. Question: Will she be terminated or promoted?

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 10:28 pm

    Wasn't Zero down in Belize recently . . . or was it Missus Zero? - - - LINK - The Ministry of Tourism and Culture expressed outrage at the demolition of the Nohmul complex in northern Belize to extract crushed rock for a road project. It said it is investigating to determine precisely how it happened. . . . anyway it was probably a Cope Brothers neocon conservative contractor

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 10:31 pm

    Ms. Lerner may get promoted. In any governmental organization if they like you you can do no wrong, but if they don't like you you will get canned if you smile the wrong way. So guess we will see if they like Ms. Lerner.

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  • James E.May 14, 2013 - 10:35 pm

    Phil, could it have been Halliburton? It could have been a Darth Vader project.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 14, 2013 - 10:51 pm

    I don't know, James. As long as it wasn't Cousin Doug . . . .

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