Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Camp important


I am the homeless woman living in Hangtown Haven who wrote some time ago. I wish to provide more information about our family here at the Haven and explain why our camp or a replacement camp is a necessity for us and the community.

We are a family taking care of each other. Some folks may move on for jobs or other reasons. New folks who are willing to share our values join us and become family.

The Haven continues to enforce rules about being sober and clean. We help each other. Eight of our family of 40 have stayed sober and dry for up to 100 days. Seventeen of us are working a regular job. Sixteen are seeking outside help to improve physical and mental health. Three of our family attend college.

The schedule to develop a new site for the Haven on Perks Court may not allow relocating the camp before the city’s deadline to close the camp in November. Speaking for all of us here, we do not understand why the Haven must be closed. The concern about pedestrians on Broadway is not a valid reason to close the camp. Our folks make up about one out of every three to four who use the path along Broadway.

I ask the community to help convince the Placerville City Council and the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors that HTH is an asset to the community. We both assist the community and save it money. We help to keep everyone safe.


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Discussion | 10 comments

  • Leslie hillAugust 20, 2013 - 11:02 pm

    I am so impressed that we have a place for those who have fallen on hard times can have security and companionship and a chance to change direction in a better environment in this Haven. Congratulations to all involved this is one program with broad support and the BOS need to get this back on line immediately.

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  • Just say noAugust 23, 2013 - 7:16 am

    County owned land is taxpayer owned land. I as a taxpayer am in total opposition to giving Hangtown Haven county owned land at the reduced rate proposed, 5 dollars a year...the location of Perks Court visible from Highway 50 and bordering Missouri Flat and the bike trail is terrible for this type of set-up. Do the moms walking their children in strollers on the trail want to encounter transients and the behavior that comes with them? Yes there is a behavior that comes with the transient lifestyle in most instances. I didn't say all but most. The behavior includes alcohol and substance abuse, criminality, lack of will to follow rules or regulations (this is why many cannot be employed), anti-social tendencies, begging, urinating, defecating in public spaces and the list goes on. I know that I am not being "nice" and that some will disagree. I am however being truthful and one needs to not look very far to confirm my observations and concerns. Broadway in Placerville, existing beggars on Missouri Flat etc. Put these people to work, do not create a permanent underclass by housing them in sheds on county property. What kind of message does this send our youth? Acceptance and creation of accomodations for those who wish to be on a permanent life long camping trip. Sitting in a bucket chair eating donated food on free real estate sounds great. That's what campgrounds and vacations are for. Not business districts. The misguided do-gooders are failing to see the forest for the trees. If you build it they will come. Just research other cities who welcome and house the homeless with permanence. Crime, drug use, high population of sex offenders, lowered quality of life including damage to local business. Go to Starbucks on Broadway any morning and try to use the bathroom. It will either be locked or if you are lucky enough to get in soaked with water from those who bathe in the sink in there on a daily basis. I don't blame the city of Placerville for not renewing the permit for the Hangtown Haven. They have made some nice warm and fuzzy excuses and now the county is being forced to be the bad guy if they say no. Please join myself and others in urging our county supervisors to just say no.

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  • Kristy CrowderAugust 23, 2013 - 9:11 am

    Totally agree with "just say no"

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  • Tax payerAugust 23, 2013 - 10:02 am

    You homeless trolls need to get out! If several of you are working as you say, then get a normal residence and share the rent. Nobody like having transients around while they walk their dogs, jog, or push strollers. Like it or not, you bring down property values for the normal people. We don't need to keep giving you free stuff and letting you squat for free. Take your degenerate lifestyle out into the Nevada desert.

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  • RealistAugust 23, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    I think all you people that are so against the shelter need to come up with an answer instead of just whining out of fear. Thank your lucky stars you're not in the same boat as the poor and transient population of this county. Keep in mind, Karma is a B...h!

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  • We're hiringAugust 23, 2013 - 3:05 pm

    North Dakota is looking for workers. You can make 15 dollars an hour working at Mc Donalds in the oil boom towns there. If 15 dollars an hour is not enough, determined able bodied people are making up to 100k a year in the Dakota oil fields, many with no prior experience. America is still the land of opportunity for those willing to work and make sacrifices. Our county should not be encouraging a permanent underclass by rewarding those unwilling to work with their own shantytown of sheds and tents and free food to go along with their free government issued cell phones, free health care, free tuition, wic, ssi and ebt cards. Most of the homeless I see locally are able bodied, caucasian and of an age which would be conducive to working. Many eat fast food, drink Starbucks, own dogs and even have devices such as smart phones. Many smoke 6 dollar packs of cigarettes and have expensive body art (tattoos) too. The answer is to get a job at all costs whether that means doing something undesirable like hard manual labor or moving to obtain employment. That's what many of us have done along the way to get where we are at and it's the reason that the majority in el dorado county will not tolerate an attractive nuisance being created for vagrants and drifters.

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  • Becky NylanderAugust 23, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    I guess I feel it is important to point out that if the guests of the Hangtown Haven were stereotypical transients we would have no interest in living in a Legal Encampment. We would have no interest in living in a place that has a high standard of cleanliness with a structured environment. We would have no interest in living with strict rules and policies which include absolutely no pan handling ever. In addition to rules regarding conduct and behavior. The average stay for a guest at Hangtown Haven is about six months. We are truly working toward stability and health. Please come and take a tour of the current sight. At least take a moment to see what your talking about rather than dismissing it out of hand.

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  • GodAugust 23, 2013 - 7:58 pm

    Matthew 25:40-45 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

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  • Work to eatAugust 23, 2013 - 9:01 pm

    2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 2Th 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; 2Th 3:8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: 2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. 2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2Th 3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. 2Th 3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. 2Th 3:13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. 2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 2Th 3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. This goes all the way back to Adam. We should work for our bread. It also is a good mitzvah(deed or commandment), in that we should not come to the table empty handed. That is what Paul is trying to teach above.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:09 pm

    Isn't this what we love about the Bible? No matter your position, you can quote Bible references to support your position. On this one, I'm going with "God." Actually, "God" is not using his real name, but I think we all know that.

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