Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Cap and trade?

EDITOR:

Common sense would tell you that the global warming theory is a connived tactic to make the rich richer and the poor poorer; 500 prominent scientists have declared global warming isn’t caused by CO2 emissions. In fact NASA, reports that it has a cooling effect which is backed by the fact that Antarctica is having the coldest temperatures on record.

One of the “Fathers of Meteorology,” Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin (now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences), was pivotal in promoting the coming ice age scare of the 1970s (see Time Magazine’s 1974 article “Another Ice Age” citing Bryson, and see Newsweek’s 1975 article “The Cooling World” citing Bryson) and has now converted into a leading global warming skeptic.

On Feb. 8, 2007 Bryson dismissed what he terms “sky is falling” man-made global warming fears. Bryson was on the United Nations Global 500 Roll of Honor and was identified by the British Institute of Geographers as the most frequently cited climatologist in the world.

“Before there were enough people to make any difference at all, two million years ago, nobody was changing the climate, yet the climate was changing, okay?” Bryson told the May 2007 issue of Energy Cooperative News. “All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it’s absurd. Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air.

“You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide,” he added. “We cannot say what part of that warming was due to mankind’s addition of ‘greenhouse gases’ until we consider the other possible factors, such as aerosols. The aerosol content of the atmosphere was measured during the past century, but to my knowledge this data was never used.

“We can say that the question of anthropogenic modification of the climate is an important question — too important to ignore. However, it has now become a media free-for-all and a political issue more than a scientific problem,” Bryson explained in 2005.

Bryson signed a 2007 open letter called “Over 100 Prominent International Scientists Warn UN Against ‘Futile’ Climate Control Efforts.”

“Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity’s real and pressing problems,” the letter signed by the scientists read. The scientists, many of whom are current and former UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) scientists, sent an open letter to the UN Secretary-General questioning the scientific basis for climate fears and the UN’s so-called “solutions.”

“It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables,” the scientists wrote. “In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is ‘settled,’ significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming.”

Why is our government pursuing the Al Gore theory? It has been debunked by their own climatologist but yet our government is vigorously pursuing cap and trade causing untold amounts of hardships on our shrinking economy. Most of the body of this letter was copied so you don’t have to remind me that it isn’t my own words.

MARTIN SCHUMANN
Placerville

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  • Dee#1August 13, 2013 - 1:22 pm

    Martin, great letter. Thanks.

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 8:09 am

    "An Inconvenient Truth: How Carbon Trading Is Enriching Polluters and Destroying the Environment" - HERE: Perhaps most worrisome, the logic of pollution trading is now being applied to other arenas, such as biodiversity and water crises, resulting in the commodification and financialisation of more and more of nature’s capacities, functions and cycles. The result is yet more corporations profiteering at the expense of the environment and the populations who depend on it. As environmental activists lament a golden opportunity missed to safeguard one of the world’s most valuable natural assets, our leaders continue to pledge their support to a multi-billion dollar market predicated on the lack of delivery of an invisible substance to no-one. Rather than money for old rope, carbon trading is money for no rope.

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  • NancySeptember 30, 2013 - 8:04 am

    Global warming? Is that why the trees are turning colors since around the first of September? They usually don't change around my area until later October. Is global warming why I've already had to turn the heat on in my house during chilly mornings? I usually don't do that until about November 1st. Is global warming the reason I've had to put the electric blanket on the bed 2 months early? Global warming is nothing more that an excuse for the elites to gain control of the population and make everybody live by their rules. And line the pockets of the legislative designers and beneficiaries.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 30, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Nancy, from our very own Mountain Democrat ~~~ LINK - A carbon fable

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 9:30 am

    The short answer to "why"? It's a tunnel to the bank. Easily the greatest transfer of wealth ever dreamed up with little to no investment. How much money have they stolen based on a picture of a Polar Bear floating on a iceberg?

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 9:32 am

    Nancy, you nailed it. It is a religion by force.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 30, 2013 - 9:49 am

    LINK - I wonder how much Chelsea's carbon bonds are worth today

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 10:36 am

    Phil, between bj and the beast, 1,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide is a drop in the bucket to what those two gas bags have contributed not counting the times they weren't lying.

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  • Dink LaneSeptember 30, 2013 - 1:00 pm

    So let me see if I understand you correctly.... The ocean has NOT raised 3.7 mm/yr?....... The Arctic caps haven't melted further than ever before?.... the water temp when Hurricane Sandy hit NJ wasn't 9 degrees warmer? .... CO2 is NOT at 398?.... all these facts mean nothing? What about that island that has lost 50% of it surface?...... The salt intrusion in the delta is higher than before?.....

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  • Dink LaneSeptember 30, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    I don't need a scientist to tell me if I dig a hole, I will have to put the dirt from the hole some where..... I have never seen people twist themselves into pretzels to justify being IRRESPONSIBLE ... you remind me of a little kid -- It's not my fault..... It's SOMEONE else's fault.....

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    Phil, check out this clock. http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Dink, if you dig a hole you can accommodate the dirt you removed from the hole by throwing yourself in the hole. You can also do your part in saving the planet all at the same time.

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 30, 2013 - 1:18 pm

    Dink - YO, DINK!!! - LINK - Antarctic sea ice hit 35-year record high Saturday

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    If the wind blows blame global warming, if the wind doesn’t blow blame global warming. If there is a blizzard in winter blame global warming, if there isn’t a blizzard in winter blame global warming. If there is a tornado in tornado alley blame global warming, if there isn’t a tornado in tornado alley blame global warming. If there is a hurricane during hurricane season blame global warming, if there isn’t a hurricane during hurricane season blame global warming. If it is hot in summer blame global warming, if it isn’t hot in summer time blame global warming. If it is cold in winter blame global warming, if it isn’t cold in winter blame global warming. If it rains in the spring blame global warming, if it doesn’t rain in spring blame global warming. If there is a flood in the flood plains blame global warming, if there isn’t a flood in the flood plains blame global warming. If the ice melts blame global warming, if the ice doesn’t melt blame global warming. If none of what you have predicted materializes change the name to climate change.

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 1:25 pm

    Remember when “a major cooling of the climate” was “widely considered inevitable” (New York Times, May 21, 1975) with “extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation” (Science magazine, Dec. 10, 1976) which must “stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery” (International Wildlife, July 1975)? Remember reports that “the world’s climatologists are agreed” that we must “prepare for the next ice age” (Science Digest, February 1973)? Armadillos were leaving Nebraska, heading south, and heat-loving snails were scampering southward from European forests (Christian Science Monitor, Aug. 27, 1974). Newsweek (April 28, 1975) said meteorologists were “almost unanimous” that cooling would “reduce agricultural productivity.”

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  • Phil VeerkampSeptember 30, 2013 - 1:33 pm

    Cookie, RE . . . Armadillos were leaving Nebraska, heading south . . . On our last visit to our son's place in Missouri we noticed that they're now using armadillos for speed bumps. . . very green . . .

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    Someone with the intestinal fortitude to stand up and propose a long overdue solution, just not here in America. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2438020/George-Osbornes-work-dole-plan-Pick-litter-clean-graffiti-cook-elderly-welfare-benefits.html#ixzz2gNHxLfZj

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  • cookie65September 30, 2013 - 1:41 pm

    LOL Phil, renewable resource.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 01, 2013 - 8:33 am

    Cookie, I don't think that Mr. Schumann's letter ever made hard copy. When it initially came in mid August it was not published. Then it appeared again erroneously in the Sept. 30th line-up of letters, but not in hard copy. It's curious, in and out. I don't think it's ever made print.

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  • EvelynOctober 01, 2013 - 8:35 am

    Ahhh ........ mystery solved. Thanks, Phil.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 01, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    MARTIN SCHUMANN, you finally made hard copy. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

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  • EvelynOctober 02, 2013 - 7:59 am

    "From 'Hiding the Decline' to 'Burying the Pause': Man-made Global Warming is still a lie" - HERE

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 8:18 am

    Phil the sleuth. Do you prefer Maxwell Smart or Inspector Clouseau?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 8:35 am

    Cookie, one of my distinguishing hallmark traits is profound humility. I'm afraid that I must graciously decline any such august titles. But I am a Steve Martin fan. I kinda fancy Freddy Benson.

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 8:49 am

    piglosi has told us that the cupboard is bare. There is no place left in the federal budget to cut. But it seems that the government shutdown has determined 93+% of the EPA employees as nonessential. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/01/Over-93-of-EPA-Employees-Considered-Non-Essential

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 8:55 am

    Phil, I like Navin Johnson. "THE NEW PHONE BOOKS ARE HERE, THE NEW PHONE BOOKS ARE HERE!!!"

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 9:03 am

    Navin Johnson is responsible for my realization that Steve Martin and I were separated at birth. Times were tough. Mom had twins. She had to give up one of us. Steve got to go on to Hollywood and become rich and famous. I got to stay on the farm and milk cows. ShÍt and Shinola still confuse us.

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Steve plays the banjo. Phil plays cow bells (said in the nicest possible way).

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 9:28 am

    James, are you on your new MAC yet?

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 9:30 am

    Phil, new MAC expected arrival is tomorrow.

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 9:34 am

    I am amazed I can find almost anything I want on the Internet. Crank in the credit card number and it arrives on my porch in a couple of days. Amazing.

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 9:41 am

    James, if you had a government credit card you could purchase a $100k outhouse. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/open-business-govt-erect-98670-outhouse

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Cookie, I have a fake outhouse in my back yard. Bought it from some guy in Pollock Pines for $500. years ago. He was a woodworker and built a bunch of them. I only purchased one. It gives my back yard just the right look.

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 9:46 am

    ADDED: And it looks swell.

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 10:09 am

    James, I like a rustic outhouse in the yard. It is part of the history of this area. Has the EPA inspected yours?

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 10:21 am

    Cookie, nonoperational outhouses are not required to be inspected. Mine remains pristine.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureOctober 02, 2013 - 10:35 am

    Dink, ocean levels have been rising for thousands of years. .......That's why David Ballard found a several thousand year old house on the floor of the Black Sea. .... And you remain the second dumbest person that posts here......... ............

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 10:42 am

    Oh come on, Paddy! Ferchrisakes there are seashell on top of Mt. Everest. Sea levels have been falling. Damn!

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 1:41 pm

    Yep, definitely falling. The Nevada desert is full of fish and fern fossils. Don't tell Dink though, the mental anguish and intellectual turmoil attached to admitting what you were so gullible in believing is too much for some to handle.

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  • James E.October 02, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    There are now enough Republican votes to pass the CR and reopen the government. The Speaker will not bring the vote to the floor.

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  • cookie65October 02, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    Phil, they are exploring a new cave system in China that has its own weather system. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2441450/Er-Wang-Dong-cave-China-huge-weather-system.html

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 02, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    WOW. STUNNING. Thanks for the URL, Cookie.

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 8:56 am

    Nothing to fret over Dink, the national media continues to pass the koolaid on the global warming fraud without skipping a beat. Take comfort in knowing that no matter what ever the evidence may suggest they won't abandon you and your need to believe what ever they tell you to believe. http://mrc.org/articles/networks-embrace-catastrophic-warnings-latest-ipcc-report

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  • kggOctober 03, 2013 - 9:38 am

    martin wrote: "Common sense would tell you that the global warming theory is a connived tactic to make the rich richer and the poor poorer; 500 prominent scientists have declared global warming isn’t caused by CO2 emissions." kgg writes: 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming. common sense tells us that climate change is real.

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  • EvelynOctober 03, 2013 - 9:48 am

    kgg: 97% is a popular figure that is increasingly insupportable. At any rate, true science does not depend upon "consensus" . . . to which Galileo would testify.

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 10:11 am

    And here is his quote. "In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -- Galileo Galilei

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 10:15 am

    kgg, climate change is real. It is part of a dynamic atmosphere. It pre-dates life on this planet and will continue post-life on this planet. This is proving to be an interesting year for climate change, it seems we are going from summer straight into winter. Does anything penetrate that coconut husk you use for a hat rack?

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 10:24 am

    kgg, they just uncovered a fully intact dinosaur tail in Canada. Something that could not survive there today given the predominately cold climate. Please share with us your theory on how such a creature was able to live there millions of years ago. I will offer you a headstart; global warming is what happens in between ice ages. http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/tech/canada-large-dinosaur-fossil-found/index.html

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 10:30 am

    I have no idea about global warming. Some say water is rising, some say it is declining, some say that ice is melting, some say it's a major freeze this year, some say CO2 is bad, some say CO2 is good, some say polar bears are declining, some say polar bears are increasing. ??????

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 10:34 am

    kgg, the measurable global warming is in D.C. Where the leftists/progressive/socialist/communists are in full meltdown. For me it is like watching Ringling Bros without the cost of admission. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The exclamation points are for Evelyn.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 03, 2013 - 10:42 am

    Congratulations, James. Your leftist force field blocking alternate information is weakening. You seem to be receiving information ( " Some say ") from the right. Give truth a chance.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 10:43 am

    Galileo did not believe that the moon causes the tides. Additionally, he was an accomplished player of the lute and his middle finger is on display in Florence. These are things we need to know.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 10:44 am

    Phil, thank you, thank you very much.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 03, 2013 - 10:45 am

    James, who was this Florence tart?

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 10:55 am

    Phil, you know -- the lady who established the town in Italy. Not the Florence who lives down the street in Diamond Springs.

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 11:00 am

    Phil owes me a keyboard, unless I can successfully dry mine off after his "who is this Florence tart?" LMAO!!

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 11:01 am

    I love lemon tarts.

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  • EvelynOctober 03, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    Cookie: For the last two weeks, following the MDem’s announced ELECTION POLICY adjustment (here) wherein !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s were frowned upon, I have rigorously avoided – where possible – indulging in that dratted little punctuation mark. Fortunately, readers with pity in their hearts came to my rescue and supplied alternatives: *!!* and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Your 10:34am reminds me that I ought be continuously vigilant about the use of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s. Otherwise, with Nov. elections rolling around, MDem editorialists might find themselves unenviably having to write further about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s. HELP …… Better the rack. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • EvelynOctober 03, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    GALILEO & SCIENTIFIC "CONSENSUS" - As everyone remembers from school, Galileo Galilei (1564 - 1642) controversially championed the proposition that the earth & planets revolved around the stationary sun. For this he was rewarded in 1615 with the Roman Inquisition and found "vehemently suspect of heresy", forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. Moral of the story: It's easier to go along.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 2:07 pm

    Evelyn, go along to get along. Don't make waves. If one is in the military, make waves and you are finished. In my case, I made one little wave (reporting that an officer in the Pentagon was carrying a concealed pistol) and they then proceeded to attempt to crush me. Well, they did squeeze me for five years, but I won in the end. But, if you don't want to be squeezed for five years, go along to get along, don't make waves. Suspect this also applies in the corporate world.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    Yes, he was under house arrest, but he did have lots of time to play his lute.

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  • EvelynOctober 03, 2013 - 2:13 pm

    He was extremely productive, but 27 years is a long time for house arrest.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    Evelyn, poor guy couldn't even go to COSTCO.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    Have to admit before today I had never heard of the lute. Had to look it up -- it looks like a pregnant guitar.

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    Evelyn, there are a number of thread going where for the most part everyone has remained on topic. Yet all those who complained about the nature of these threads are not here commenting, offering an opinion, adding to the conversation or anything else. They are as silent as an owl in flight. What the h3!! were the complaining about? It seems the only thing they had to say had to do with our conversations since they don't have any of their own. And as far as the exclamation point, you have even spelled it out to avoid using it. A freedom not exercised is a freedom lost.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 03, 2013 - 3:56 pm

    . . . and I have not mentioned ART BELL even once today!!! ^!!^

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 4:05 pm

    and that's not right Phil, you shouldn't be intimidated into not sharing Art Bell updates@!!@

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  • EvelynOctober 03, 2013 - 4:27 pm

    Cookie: Your line about a "freedom not exercised is a freedom lost" got my dander up. MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 03, 2013 - 5:20 pm

    Cookie at that same time as those posts-- people were trying to ban me from a facebook account...I had already been banned from a facebook exchange for posting items about Pollock Pines. You will also notice the personal attacks...lololol. It good to have followers...means Im stirring the pot--and some are not happy. I just posted an email--which I had no clue was blind copied to several--until I went to the store and people remarked on it. So I dont know if it is all of you--or all of us--or just me. The group that i fight--fight like children. "sticks and stones" kind of thing. They dont realize...I dont care. I am not running for anything...I dont have anything. Except I am getting people to start questioning what they thought--which is great...some are waking up--and it is so nice to see...and by calling me names--or saying they are tired of me whining or ranting--they have made it where more people are coming up and talking to me. Shrugging shoulders.

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    Fran, here is a sad story that is very personal to me since my family goes back 5 generations in this specific area. In fact my dad was a graduate for Illinois Valley high school which is right in the middle of Josephine county. I have more family members than I can count effected by the closing of all these mills. My uncle retired from this last mill to close down. All of this happened because of people who failed to speak up and fight back. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/26/timber-industry-suffers-as-loggers-blame-federal-regs-for-lost-jobs/

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 03, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    It is a sad story...Im so sorry to here when history dies...

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 03, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    sorry "hear"

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  • cookie65October 03, 2013 - 6:01 pm

    Causing people to think is the greatest weapon you have. Those who want to shut people up have no good intentions.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 03, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    I hope you are right Cookie...It is what I believe.

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  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 7:17 am

    "IPCC Climate: A Product of Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics Built On Inadequate Data" - HERE</a.

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