Wednesday, April 23, 2014
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EID staff presenations — transparent or obscure?

EDITOR:

The EID board meeting on Jan. 27 was important. Refinancing of $130 million of EID bonds to secure significant financing savings was the topic. Relevant discussion of the refinancing was buried in a 373-page packet that covered a review of EID’s investment returns to an update on the Flume 41 project that should have been postponed.

What interested member of the public will plow through 373 pages to understand if the refinancing is a good idea? The projected revenues to justify the district’s ability to repay the new bonds were buried on pages 196-221. They included revenue projections beyond 2014 that haven’t been approved by this board but that was not in the resolution presented to the board. Director Prada did the right thing and abstained although the resolution passed with three “for” votes.

The resolution presented did not disclose that future payments depend on unapproved rate increases beyond 2014. It did not include an additional $65 million of debt financing buried in the financial projections that start on page 215 of the board packet. Furthermore, there was no discussion of insurance or reserves in case of a potential default. The Citibank representative had to explain that to the board with no visual presentation.

Does EID staff intentionally provide voluminous documents to the public and the board to obscure the issues or are they not capable of distilling the relevant issues into a short summary? Who sets the agenda for these meetings? Why would you schedule a routine report for a meeting that includes a major financial decision?

Public board meetings should make decisions transparent to the public. The documents for the meeting should be divided into backup information such as the legal document for the bond offering (175 pages) and a summary description of the deal that could be done in three to five pages. And, EID received an award for excellence in financial reporting. If this meeting was any indication, the bar must be low.

DARWIN THRONE
El Dorado Hills

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 29, 2014 - 7:03 pm

    Perhaps Darwin would support EID staffing up to enable translating complex financial technicalities, requirements, laws, obligations, assets, liabilities . . . projections . . . actuaries . . . risks . . . thereby enabling laymen to understand. I recall a series of books . . . DOS for Dummies . . . C+++ for Dummies . . . Economics for Dummies. Now Darwin for Dummies?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 29, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Darwin, I too want difficult and complex processes to be "easy". But I accept that difficulty and complexity do not indicate deliberate and manufactured obscurity intended to obfuscate and deceive.

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Scientific papers for publication routinely are prefaced with an Abstract. A huge % of said papers are highly complex and certainly are not written for dummies. To the best of my knowledge, Abstracts are not optional.

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  • Foaming at the MouthJanuary 29, 2014 - 10:04 pm

    If there'd only been 3-5 pages, Darwin would say there was too little paper and demand hundreds of pages. That's what makes jeering from the sidelines so great!

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 7:34 am

    Foaming: Where do you find Darwin Thorne recommending 3-5 pages for the entire documentation?

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  • cookie65January 31, 2014 - 8:39 am

    Eve!yn, do find it curious how often "putting words in other's mouths" is employed as a strategy? It has been done to you somewhat frequently as of late.

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  • cookie65January 31, 2014 - 8:41 am

    *do you find it curious*

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:17 am

    Cookie: For some people misrepresentation is the only readily available tool. Deliberate misrepresentation speaks to "agenda".

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:22 am

    . . . as for the recommended Summary, it would assist Board members and public alike.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:35 am

    The problem with a "summary" is that by definition "summaries" lack detail, context, definitions, justifications etc. And "missing" content is spun as "obscure", "hidden" and "secret", by operatives, fools and scalawags.

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:36 am

    Summaries are not intended to replace the fuller document.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:48 am

    Summarize this or justify omitting this from a useful summary ~~~ " . . . for the protection or enforcement of any right or remedy under the Indenture with respect to such 2014 Bonds, unless: (a) such Owners has given to the Trustee written notice of the occurrence of an Event of Default; (b) the Owners of not less than fifty percent (50%) in aggregate principal amount ofthe 2014 Bonds then Outstanding have made written request upon the Trustee to exercise the powers granted under the Indenture or to institute such suit, action or proceeding in its own name; (c) such Owner or Owners has tendered to the Trustee reasonable indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities to be incurred in compliance with such request; (d) the Trustee has failed to comply with such request for a period of sixty (60) days after such written request has been received by, and said tender of indemnity has been made to, the Trustee; and (e) no direction inconsistent with such written request has been given to the Trustee during such sixty (60) day period by the Owners of a majority in aggregate principal amount of the 2014 Bonds then Outstanding. Such notification, request, tender of indemnity and refusal or omission are declared, in every case, to be conditions precedent to the exercise by any Owner of 2014 Bonds of any remedy under the Indenture or under law; it being understood and intended that no one or more Owners of2014 Bonds has any right in any manner whatever by his or their action to affect, disturb or prejudice the security of the Indenture or the rights of any other Owners of 2014 Bonds, or to enforce any right under the 2014 Bonds, the Indenture, or applicable law with respect to the 2014 Bonds, except in the manner provided in the Indenture, and that all proceedings at law or in equity to enforce any such right is instituted, had and maintained in the manner provided in the Indenture and for the benefit and protection of all Owners ofthe Outstanding 2014 Bonds, subject to the provisions ofthe Indenture. Absolute Obligation of the District. Nothing in the Indenture or in the 2014 Bonds affects or impairs the obligation of the District, which is absolute and unconditional, to pay the principal of and interest on the 2014 Bonds to the respective Owners of the 2014 Bonds at their respective dates of maturity, or upon call for redemption, as provided in the Indenture, but only out of the Revenues and other assets in the Indenture pledged therefor, or affect or impair the right of such Owners, which is also absolute and unconditional, to enforce such payment by virtue of the contract embodied in the 2014 Bonds. Remedies Not Exclusive. No remedy in the Indenture conferred upon or reserved to the Trustee or to the Owners of the 2014 Bonds is intended to be exclusive of any other remedy or remedies, and each and every such remedy, to the extent permitted by law, is cumulative and in addition to any other remedy given under the Indenture or now or later existing at law or in equity or otherwise. No Waiver of Default. No delay or omission of the Trustee or of any Owner of the 2014 Bonds to exercise any right or power arising upon the occurrence of any Event of Default impairs any such right or power or is construed to be a waiver of any such Event ofDefault or an acquiescence therein. Insurer Rights. The Insurer is deemed to be the sole holder of the 2014 Bonds insured under the Insurance Policy for the purpose of exercising any voting right or privilege or giving any consent or direction or taking any other action that the holders of the 2014 Bonds insured by it are entitled to take pursuant to the Indenture pertaining to (i) defaults and remedies and (ii) the duties and obligations ofthe Trustee. THE TRUSTEE Duties, Immunities and Liabilities of Trustee. (a) The Trustee will, prior to an Event of Default, and after the curing or waiving of all Events of Default which may have occurred, perform such duties and only such duties as are expressly and specifically set forth in the Indenture and no implied covenants or duties are read into the Indenture against the Trustee. The Trustee will, during the existence of any Event of Default (which has not been cured or waived), exercise such of the rights and powers vested in it by the Indenture, and use the same degree of care and skill in their exercise, as a prudent man would exercise or use under the circumstances in the conduct of his own affairs. B-25 (b) The District may remove the Trustee at any time, unless an Event of Default has occurred and is continuing, and will remove the Trustee if at any time requested to do so by an instrument or concurrent instruments in writing signed by the Owners of not less than a majority in aggregate principal amount ofthe 2014 Bonds then Outstanding (or their attorneys duly authorized in writing) or if at any time the Trustee ceases to be eligible in accordance with the Indenture, or becomes incapable of acting, or is adjudged a bankrupt or insolvent, or a receiver of the Trustee or its property is appointed, or any public officer takes control or charge of the Trustee or of its property or affairs for the purpose of rehabilitation, conservation or liquidation, in each case by giving written notice of such removal to the Trustee and thereupon the District shall promptly appoint a successor Trustee by an instrument in writing. (c) The Trustee may at any time resign by giving written notice of such resignation to the District and by giving the 2014 Bond Owners notice of such resignation by mail at the addresses shown on the Registration Books. Upon receiving such notice of resignation, the District will promptly appoint a successor Trustee by an instrument in writing. (d) Any removal or resignation of the Trustee and appointment of a successor Trustee becomes effective upon acceptance of appointment by the successor Trustee. If no successor Trustee has been appointed and have accepted appointment within forty five ( 45) days of giving notice of removal or notice of resignation as aforesaid, the resigning Trustee or any 2014 Bond Owner (on behalf of himself and all other 2014 Bond Owners) may petition any court of competent jurisdiction for the appointment of a successor Trustee, and such court may thereupon, after such notice (if any) as it may deem proper, appoint such successor Trustee. Any successor Trustee appointed under the Indenture will signify its acceptance of such appointment by executing and delivering to the District and to its predecessor Trustee a written acceptance thereof, and thereupon such successor Trustee, without any further act, deed or conveyance, becomes vested with all the moneys, estates, properties, rights, powers, trusts, duties and obligations of such predecessor Trustee, with like effect as if originally named Trustee in the Indenture; but, nevertheless at the Written Request of the District or the request of the successor Trustee, such predecessor Trustee will execute and deliver any and all instruments of conveyance or further assurance and do such other things as may reasonably be required for more fully and certainly vesting in and confirming to such successor Trustee all the right, title and interest of such predecessor Trustee in and to any property held by it under the Indenture and will pay over, transfer, assign and deliver to the successor Trustee any money or other property subject to the trusts and conditions set forth in the Indenture. Upon request of the successor Trustee, the District will execute and deliver any and all instruments as may be reasonably required for more fully and certainly vesting in and confirming to such successor Trustee all such moneys, estates, properties, rights, powers, trusts, duties and obligations. Upon acceptance of appointment by a successor Trustee as provided in the Indenture, the District will mail or cause the successor trustee to mail a notice of the succession of such Trustee to the trusts under the Indenture to each Rating Agency which is then rating the 2014 Bonds and to the 2014 Bond Owners at the addresses shown on the Registration Books. If the District fails to mail such notice within fifteen (15) days after acceptance of appointment by the successor Trustee, the successor Trustee will cause such notice to be mailed at the expense of the District. (e) Any Trustee appointed under the provisions of the Indenture in succession to the Trustee will be a trust company, banking association or bank having the powers of a trust company, having a combined capital and surplus of at least Seventy-Five Million Dollars ($75,000,000), and subject to supervision or examination for federal or state authority. If such bank, banking association or trust company publishes a report of condition at least annually, pursuant to law or to the requirements of any supervising or examining authority above referred to, then for the purpose of the Indenture the combined capital and surplus of such trust company, banking association or bank is deemed to be its combined capital and surplus as set forth in its most recent report of condition so published. In case at any time the Trustee ceases to be eligible in accordance with the provisions of the Indenture, the Trustee will resign immediately in the manner and with the effect specified in the Indenture. Merger or Consolidation. Any trust company, banking association or bank into which the Trustee may be merged or converted or with which it may be consolidated or any trust company, banking association or bank resulting from any merger, conversion or consolidation to which it is a party or any trust company, banking association or bank to which the Trustee may sell or transfer all or substantially all of its corporate trust business, provided such trust company, banking association or bank is eligible under the Indenture, will be the successor to B-26 such Trustee, without the execution or filing of any paper or any further act, anything in the Indenture to the contrary notwithstanding. Liability of Trustee. (a) The recitals of facts in the Indenture and in the 2014 Bonds are statements ofthe District, and the Trustee does not assume responsibility for the correctness of the same, or make any representations as to the validity or sufficiency of the Indenture or the 2014 Bonds, nor does the Trustee incur any responsibility in respect thereof, other than as expressly stated in the Indenture in connection with the respective duties or obligations in the Indenture or in the 2014 Bonds assigned to or imposed upon it. The Trustee is, however, responsible for its representations contained in its certificate of authentication on the 2014 Bonds. The Trustee is not liable in connection with the performance of its duties under the Indenture, except for its own negligence or willful misconduct. The Trustee may become the Owner of 2014 Bonds with the same rights it would have if it were not Trustee, and, to the extent permitted by law, may act as depository for and permit any of its officers or directors to act as a member of, or in any other capacity with respect to, any committee formed to protect the rights of 2014 Bond Owners, whether or not such committee represents the Owners of a majority in principal amount of the 2014 Bonds then Outstanding. (b) The Trustee is not liable for any error of judgment made in good faith by a Responsible Officer of the Trustee, unless it is proved that the Trustee was negligent in ascertaining the pertinent facts. (c) The Trustee is not liable with respect to any action taken or omitted to be taken by it in good faith in accordance with the direction of the Owners of not less than a majority (or such other percentage provided for in the Indenture) in aggregate principal amount of the 2014 Bonds at the time Outstanding relating to the time, method and place of conducting any proceeding for any remedy available to the Trustee, or exercising any trust or power conferred upon the Trustee under the Indenture. (d) The Trustee is not liable for any action taken by it in good faith and believed by it to be authorized or within the discretion or rights or powers conferred upon it by the Indenture. (e) The Trustee is not deemed to have knowledge of any default or Event of Default under the Indenture or any other event which, with the passage of time, the giving of notice, or both, would constitute an Event of Default under the Indenture unless and until a Responsible Officer of the Trustee has actual knowledge of such event or the Trustee has been notified in writing, in accordance with the Indenture, of such event by the District or the Owners of not less than fifty percent (50%) of the 2014 Bonds then Outstanding. Except as otherwise expressly provided in the Indenture, the Trustee is not bound to ascertain or inquire as to the performance or observance by the District of any of the terms, conditions, covenants or agreements in the Indenture of any of the documents executed in connection with the 2014 Bonds, or as to the existence of an Event of Default thereunder or an event which would, with the giving of notice, the passage of time, or both, constitute an Event of Default thereunder. The Trustee is not responsible for the validity, effectiveness or priority of any collateral given to or held by it. (f) No provision of the Indenture requires the Trustee to expend or risk its own funds or otherwise incur any financial liability in the performance of its duties under the Indenture, or in the exercise of any of its rights or powers. (g) The Trustee is under no obligation to exercise any of the rights or powers vested in it by the Indenture at the request or direction of Owners pursuant to the Indenture, unless such Owners have offered to the Trustee reasonable security or indemnity against the costs, expenses and liabilities which might be incurred by it in compliance with such request or direction. No permissive power, right or remedy conferred upon the Trustee under the Indenture is construed to impose a duty to exercise such power, right or remedy and the Trustee shall not be answerable for other than its negligence or willful misconduct. (h) Whether or not expressly so provided in the Indenture, every provision therein relating to the conduct or affecting the liability of or affording protection to the Trustee is subject to the provisions of the Indenture.

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:57 am

    2,442 words demonstrating the value of TOCs, footnotes, references & indexes. Summaries do not notoriously contain the entire document, or even huge chunks of same. They are a guide, alerting the reader to significant content.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 10:06 am

    Refer back to "January 31, 2014 - 9:35 am" There is a cottage industry that maligns and inflects evil motive to missing content - the essence of summaries. The "summary" is the recommendation to refinance. The recommendation to refinance is based on 300 plus pages of eye-glazing "hard stuff".

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  • cookie65January 31, 2014 - 10:17 am

    Summary: Occam's razor

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  • GeraldJanuary 31, 2014 - 10:51 am

    Phil try some decaf. Yes we know you know everything about everything.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    Thank you the tip, Gerald. Instead of decaf I have abstained from coffee, tea, Mountain Dew, Coke . . . all caffeine. I do feel slightly more brilliant. Thank you again, Gerald.

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  • EllenJanuary 31, 2014 - 5:56 am

    Thank you, Mr. Throne. A summary in such a document should NOT be optional, and the absence of one is suspect. EID Board members making the decisions are just average citizens - they are not experts either. If we need a summary, they likely do too. Communicating to non-experts is one of the points of having experts write a report; it is not for the purpose of handing technical decisions over to them because an issue is too hard to explain.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 8:18 am

    Ellen, your assertion, "EID Board . . . are just average citizens - they are not experts either. If we need a summary, they likely do too,", is worthy of consideration. Are the members of the Board "just average citizens"? Mr. Osborne has over 12 years intimate service with EID, Mr George over ten years, Mr. Day has over two years and is coming up to speed. Their prior backgrounds combined with their intimate EID service place them far "above average". Finally, Ellen, you say that since YOU need a summary then THEY need a summary. I will be polite and say no more.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 31, 2014 - 8:54 am

    Phil, I dont know the others...but I admire Mr. Osborne s knowledge of water...at the meetings I have attended--he doesnt even have to think of an answer to a question...he just responds. He knows water. I enjoy listening to him and his thoughts--even more than the people that take care settings up the meetings up here (And they do take a lot of time doing so.) I dont always agree with politics being the same people--however in the case of water...the more "on the job" over years.the better--and Mr. Osborne and others are out in the field. Many years ago, at an EID meeting...we were told that if rates had been going up all along in small percentages...and the infrastructure fixed along the way...many of these problems would not exist--but people didnt want that...so it all caught up to us. Also many of the problems now-- are coming from the state, side tracking these EID people from things they would like to work on in the county. Again, I dont know the others, but Mr. Osborne--he knows water...and he protects it. He might be an older politician (his words)--but he deserves the respect of providing and protecting the water sources up here under his service to El Dorado County. He is the one politician that I really respect..and no Im not his BFF. Rolling eyeballs...lololol

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  • Foaming at the MouthJanuary 31, 2014 - 11:10 am

    Did you bother to go to EID's website to see if there was a summary before pontificating? Me neither.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 9:59 am

    LINK - Here is the "abstract"

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 10:05 am

    . . . Nope. That is the Agenda. I believe Darwin Throne is asking for Summaries of major documents coming before the meeting.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 10:09 am

    . . . come back AFTER completing the assignment at "9:48 am" summarize that or justify its omission.

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  • cookie65January 31, 2014 - 10:20 am

    The Paper Chase is a 1973 film starring Timothy Bottoms, Lindsay Wagner, and John Houseman, directed by James Bridges. ~~ You two crack me up!!!

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 12:03 pm

    Believe it or not, cookie, we've been known to break bread together!

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  • cookie65January 31, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    I absolutely believe it... The spice of life.

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    This Resolution Authorizing the Issuance of Refunding Revenue Bonds, as with any other legal document, must be presented/available in its entirety. Action Item No. 6 (1/27/2014) begins with a Summary and Staff Analysis. The Indenture of Trust has a TOC. To peruse the document: HERE (pgs. 75 - 334)

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  • James E.January 31, 2014 - 10:33 am

    Cookie, know what I learned from that movie? There are no punitive damages in Contracts.

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  • FrankJanuary 31, 2014 - 7:53 pm

    Phil, Evelyn, James,Foaming and sometimes Fran. Do you realize if you didn't post on line, the M.D. would have very few comments to the online edition? Are you paid for comments? Most of this stuff isn't worth commenting on otherwise all of the county other than you would comment. Focus on the important things within our community and get off the conservative versus liberal bandwagon. Do something to help people out rather than throw stones made out of words. Volunteer for a good cause such a CASA or Big Brothers. Quit being full of hate.

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  • EvelynJanuary 31, 2014 - 8:22 pm

    Hi, Frank. Are you 1036-Frank or another one? (1) Paid? - Definitely. Just click on the "Pay Me" button at the bottom. (2)Labels (eg. conservative/liberal/etc): I try to avoid them, believing that labeling others is a fraught business. (3) Hate: Will try to rectify. Please indicate my hateful posts so that I may clarify/apologize.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 8:31 pm

    Phil, Evelyn, James, Foaming, Fran . . . posting hate ? ~~~~ Uh, Frank, I have NEVER read a hateful post by Fran, Foaming, James or Evelyn . . . NEVER. As for myself I can understand how you may read "hate" into some of my observations. I need to be more careful. I have an extreme dislike for disinformation - deliberate disinformation -poisoning the public's perception of EID. I have in the past asserted that Greg Prada's successful campaign for EID Board of Director rests on a foundation of lies. Perhaps you perceive that as "hate". In the future I'll try to find nicer ways to make the point.

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  • cookie65February 01, 2014 - 6:03 am

    Frank, since the origin of journalism, reporting, and the dissemination of information, the process has been completely one-sided. The source would proclaim what the "news" was and the consumers of it would think themselves informed. Phil nails it... " I have an extreme dislike for disinformation - deliberate disinformation -poisoning the public's perception". This country has a biased, tainted, agenda driven media. Prior to comment sections we the people had no means of questioning in mass, the fraud put forth in the media. If you read these comments you are well aware of how difficult it is to get some to turn loose of their entrenched beliefs. That is how dominant a corrupted media is the thinking of so many in this country. Comment sections such as these have given the people who make this country work a means of calling out a highly fallible media complex. Pick your poison...ignoring a media dumbing down the masses which is complicit in the downward spiral of this country or being pegged as some kind of hatemonger for speaking up about it.

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  • CASA rocksFebruary 01, 2014 - 8:07 am

    http://tinyurl.com/mqh3wv9

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  • Foaming at the MouthFebruary 01, 2014 - 1:45 pm

    You can get paid to post?? Foaming demands a raise! P.S. The only thing Foaming really hates is a crybaby.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 01, 2014 - 2:15 pm

    Psssst! ~~~> direct deposit.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 31, 2014 - 8:34 pm

    I have been a volunteer in El Dorado County for 20+ years. but thanks for the suggestions. If you dont like the comments--dont read them :) Someone reads them--youve responded. I dont get paid. I believe in the first amendment--you remember...freedom of speech. As far as hate...I dont hate anyone. I also have not told anyone they do not have the right to comment on this wall. As far as the others...I know they gathered money to help buy that dog for the young lady...helped get others involved. i know some of them are people in politics--just not using their names. there are some who purposely rile the commenters up for a good debate. and some who use coded messages to talk to each other <--that one I made up...lololol Bless you.

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  • James E.January 31, 2014 - 11:05 pm

    Frank, here is a comment of value: When the poor get poor enough they will eat the rich. Beware Frank.

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  • cookie65February 01, 2014 - 6:18 am

    Maybe they should eat the people they have been voting for, for 50 years while they have lived in perpetual poverty? How did the rich make the poor poor? I taught my kids they could live in a house on the beach or the dumpster of their choosing. It was up to them.. I never taught them they were entitled to what other people earn.. must be why the live on the beach. We are all born naked James... how do the poor become poor? In this country you can create your own job, you own economy, your own success, what ever you want.. Who made them dependent on government crumbs? How has Bill Gates made people poor?

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  • cookie65February 01, 2014 - 7:48 am

    http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/129649/

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  • James E.January 31, 2014 - 11:08 pm

    Oops, after 11PM. Off to hot chocolate land. Tomorrow.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 31, 2014 - 11:34 pm

    James, this thing that I posted for Robert Noll was actually with you in mind. ~~~ redirected to James ~~~ Robert, don't make too much of this song. I don't know why you came to mind this evening as I dug around through old John Prine tunes. But you did. ~~~ LINK - John Prine - Hello In There

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  • cookie65February 01, 2014 - 7:29 am

    ocommycare's additional costs on the backs of the taxpayers. No wonder they had to pass it before they knew what was in it. http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/013114-688457-obamacare-has-a-dirty-little-secret.htm?p=full

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 01, 2014 - 8:23 am

    CASA does rock...interesting place to put a great "kudo" piece for the DA and Auditor. Give the story its own column--or it looks like political propaganda. Shrugging shoulders. In its own space--it holds it own as a great cause. Here in this space...it feels different. Great cause. Good luck.

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  • EvelynFebruary 01, 2014 - 12:06 pm

    Good grief, they're everywhere!

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 02, 2014 - 4:44 pm

    Whoever Frank above is I hope he spends his time volunteering and not censoring others. For me, free thought and expression and commenting is preferred and all points of view should be available from those who wish to contribute meaningful dialog to any subject, my only exclusion would be Garon's weekly talking points from the DNC which are not really worthy of space .

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  • LJ 1964February 02, 2014 - 5:36 pm

    Apparently when minds burn out, their owners become part of the EID board. Do any of you have an idea of how to run a successful organization and actually plan reasonably for the future? It seems not. Either you are stuck with 40 year old ideas, suck up to special interests, or you just want to fight with each other. To paraphrase John Nance Garner, none of your ideas are worth a bucket of warm spit. Find a water professional and for pete's sake listen to that person! You are a disaster!

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 02, 2014 - 5:44 pm

    LJ 1964 stick your nose in this for a few hours before you return with more effete-smartest-man-in-the-room condescending commentary. ~~~>LINK - •2013 Integrated Water Resources Master Plan

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  • James E.February 02, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    Actually, John Nance Garner used another word.

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  • EvelynFebruary 02, 2014 - 6:10 pm

    . . . a single word, James, or a phrase? I can work out the latter, but not the former. If it's printable, please share!

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 02, 2014 - 6:41 pm

    pi$$

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  • James E.February 02, 2014 - 7:56 pm

    Evelyn, a single word and Phil got it right.

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  • EvelynFebruary 02, 2014 - 8:00 pm

    Mama, wash his mouth out with soap. (Are we off-topic?)

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By Democrat Staff | From Page: A7

Roundup: April 22, 2014

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A7 | Gallery

 
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Prospecting

4-H’ers star at showcase

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: B1 | Gallery

 
At a glance: Look for fireballs

By Mimi Escabar | From Page: B2, 1 Comment

Authors to share their stories

By Pat Lakey | From Page: B2, 2 Comments

 
Church to host human trafficking conference

By Pollock Pines | From Page: B3

Grow For It! Flower of Easter

By Barbara Schuchart | From Page: B5

 
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Essentials

Crime Log: April 1-3

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A2

 
Weather stats 4-22-14

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2

Building permits 4/7-11/2014

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2, 1 Comment

 
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Obituaries

Bobby Lloyd Bridges

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Harry Frank Harper

By Contributor | From Page: A2, 6 Comments

Marion “Wayne” Griswold

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
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Real Estate

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Comics

New York Times Crossword

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Flying McCoys

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Speed Bump

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Tundra

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Horoscope, Thursday, April 24, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Horoscope, Wednesday, April 23, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Working It Out

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
TV Listings

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Shoe

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Sudoku

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Rubes

By Contributor | From Page: A8