Wednesday, April 16, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Extend Hangtown Haven

EDITOR:

My wife and I had the opportunity to give blankets, towels and face cloths to the homeless at Hangtown Haven recently. We were very impressed with the cleanliness of the camp, the organization of the facility, and the positive attitudes of the homeless.

Also, as a veteran (23 years in the U.S. Naval Reserve), I became aware that many of the inhabitants of the Haven were veterans as well. Then I realized that they had fought in many wars overseas to keep us safe at home, and now were homeless.

The city of Placerville is to be congratulated for providing the shelter of Hangtown Haven. We hope that they will extend the facility beyond the year that they have currently provided. The shelter does give the homeless the opportunity to get back on their feet.

RICHARD KERR
Placerville

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 9:11 am

    Poverty in the US almost as bad as in North Korea: HERE.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Please, inform yourself on North Korea. If you were to do so you would find that if it was possible to export the US level of poverty to North Korea it would be seen as an economic miracle boom to those pathetic wretches.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 9:59 am

    LINK - 6 Million North Koreans Need Urgent Food Aid, UN Reports

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 10:00 am

    LINK - European Union Sending $14.5 Million In Food Aid To North Korea</a

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 10:18 am

    Thank you. Having now read your articles, the following from the 9:11 am post: "The US continue to point its fingers on nations that do not live up the the standards of the American dream. Simultaneously, the US Government hide the ugly truth that food shortages and poverty is spreading like wild fire in America it self. The US media correctly reports that five out of 24 million North Korean’s face food shortages. That is roughly 20 per cent of the population, and is surely a crime against humanity."

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 10:47 am

    The data in THIS is now at least 4 years old. ********** "The nation's economic crisis has catapulted the number of Americans who lack enough food to the highest level since the government has been keeping track, according to a new federal report, which shows that nearly 50 million people -- including almost one child in four -- struggled last year to get enough to eat. ... The magnitude of the increase in food shortages -- and, in some cases, outright hunger -- identified in the report startled even the nation's leading anti-poverty advocates, who have grown accustomed to longer lines lately at food banks and soup kitchens. ... The data show that dependable access to adequate food has especially deteriorated among families with children. In 2008, nearly 17 million children, or 22.5 percent, lived in households in which food at times was scarce -- 4 million children more than the year before. And the number of youngsters who sometimes were outright hungry rose from nearly 700,000 to almost 1.1 million." ********** Four years later: the U.S. economy has worsened, more Americans are hungry and/or homeless, and nitpicking about comparative international numbers doesn't address problems on our home ground.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 11:47 am

    LINK - Visitors See North Korea Still Stunted by Its Isolation - NYT - Of the nation’s 24 million citizens, the three million in Pyongyang are the most privileged. North Koreans need a special permit to live or come here. Still, signs of hardship are evident. Commuters crammed into decrepit electric buses, packed as tightly as boxes of toothpicks. Pedestrians bowed beneath huge bundles strapped to their backs, apparently stuffed with goods for trade in private markets that have eclipsed the ill-supplied state stores. Most were women; one collapsed on the sidewalk under the weight of her load. . . . Economists say coal production is, at best, half that of two decades ago, and Pyongyang has regular power shortages. At the elite Foreign Language Revolution School, students warmed themselves around stoves fed by coal or wood. In much of the city, residents report only a few hours of electricity daily. . . . New apartment buildings — apparently for officials — grace the city center. . . . Elsewhere, especially in northern provinces, residents report that child beggars haunt street markets, families scavenge hillsides for sprouts and mushrooms and workers at state enterprises receive nominal salaries, at best. . . . Although malnutrition has improved in the past decade, one in three North Korean children is stunted, and nearly one in five is underweight, according to the World Food Program. . . . Visiting Pyongyang as an outsider is a bit like entering a parallel reality. Official escorts stuck to visitors like Velcro. The rules were clear: No interviews without permission. No exploring beyond the hotel parking lot. Everyone was closely watched, with tactics reminiscent of a bad cold war spy movie. . . . Last month, the World Food Program reported that at that market a kilogram of rice, or 2.2 pounds, cost $10, about 10 times the price in Beijing. . . . Economists estimate that three of four North Korean factories are idle, lacking power and materials. . . . “Everyone knows the environment,” the former humanities professor said of her university in Chongjin. “No electricity, no light, no heat. To compare American poverty to the poverty of this prison state population is an insult to its absolute wretchedness – an insult comparable to comparing a stolen kiss to rape. Such comparisons demean and diminish the citizen-victims while blurring and softening the political distinctions responsible for this horror.

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  • kggJanuary 02, 2013 - 12:14 pm

    hangtown haven is something we need in placerville. thanks to the city council for their lead on this and to art edwards and others who encouraged them to act.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 12:21 pm

    nitpicking (10:47 am) What an astonishing determination, allegiance, fidelity and commitment to one’s failed comparison. Wow. Amazing. - nitpicking - whatever . . .

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 12:32 pm

    Having imposed sanctions we then use that country’s consequent desolation to dismiss the misery of American hunger and homelessness. ********** SIXTY YEARS OF FAILED SANCTIONS: “Purportedly only leveled against the government, the new round of financial sanctions will unequivocally have second- and third-order effects, further burdening North Korea’s already impoverished population. . . . Constraints on foreign capital and financial transactions will, for instance, severely limit infrastructure and development projects in the cash-strapped north – projects that would improve the living conditions in North Korea. Sanctions haven’t achieved the intended goal of the senders: regime change. Instead, sanctions have only made the lives of North Koreans harder. As the Obama administration unveils its blacklist and plans to further tighten the noose around the North Korean regime, North Korea will fall increasingly under China’s influence. … [A] recent Forbes op-ed by Shaun Rein, the founder of the China Market Research Group, read, “More sanctions and increased naval exercises in the region won’t help everyday North Koreans, and they won’t make the Korean peninsula safer. In reality, they will only continue to empower Kim Jong-Il’s regime while further impoverishing everyday North Koreans…The best way to create a stable and secure North Korea is to do the opposite of what we are doing now. We should lift our economic sanctions and invest more money in the country.” ********** http://tinyurl.com/allzmw7

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    Video (1hr 15 min) HERE "Paying the Price: Killing the Children of Iraq" (2000)

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    What do Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iran, Cuba, North Korea have in common? Think "outside the box". You're on your own.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 1:01 pm

    The cause of the wretchedness that is North Korea is not what initiated this exchange. Your lead-off on this thread states that the poverty within the U.S. vis-à-vis North Korea is nearly equivalent. Rubbish.

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    Fine. Take North Korea out of the discussion. Your comment on homelessness in America, it's causes and remedies, will suffice. There was never an intention to cause such an insurmountable mental block. My apologies to all concerned, but most particularly to struggling people whose plight is not being properly considered.

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    BTW: That was an article title. Did you actually manage to get to the contents of that article, or did the title so inflame your passions that you became functionally illiterate?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 1:18 pm

    WOW! Like pulling teeth. A more satisfying climb-down might have gone, “ I apologize . . . . yadayada. . . idiotic. . . . nincompoopery. . . . . . yadayada. . . totally silly . . . God Bless the USA!

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 1:22 pm

    I'd settle for "piss off". (Apologies to stunned innocent bystanders!!! This too shall pass.)

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 1:31 pm

    sore loser . . . sheesh!

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  • DB SmithJanuary 02, 2013 - 6:29 pm

    Not an iota's chance of trying to compare US hunger to NK hunger. A quick read is "Escape from Camp 14" which is about a North Korean that was born in one of the NK prison camps and who was eventually able to escape from the country. It provides some insight on how most of these people struggle from day to day.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 02, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Easy does it, DB. She can bite.

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  • EvelynJanuary 02, 2013 - 6:59 pm

    Fangs temporarily withdrawn; don't know DB's bloodtype.

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 5:50 am

    So which is it; and epidemic of childhood obesity or an epidemic of childhoold starvation? There have been some interesting articles over the last several months that suggest flotus dictorial creeds concerning school lunch and nutrition have led to millions of tons of food being thrown away. The original link posted has some credibility issue. It is more of a politcal statement than it is reporting.

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 5:59 am

    What do Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iran, Cuba, North Korea have in common? Think "outside the box". Answer; no freedom, no capitalism.

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 7:43 am

    Phil, have you seen any of this? http://www.eutimes.net/2012/12/clinton-injured-us-navy-seal-killed-in-secret-us-mission-to-iran/

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  • DB SmithJanuary 03, 2013 - 8:19 am

    Interesting site Cookie.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 8:48 am

    Regarding (7:43 am) Sorcha Faal, WhatDoesItMean.com, and The European Union Times SEE: http://tinyurl.com/aygrhpj

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 9:51 am

    "Outside the box" - HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 11:37 am

    Information we can all feel more comfortable with. UNICEF has ranked 35 economically advanced countries for children living in poverty. Romania ALONE ranks BELOW the USA. 25% of Romania’s children live in poverty. Only 23% of our children live in poverty. Herewith: 1. Iceland 2. Finland 3. Cyprus 4. Netherlands 5. Norway 6. Slovenia 7. Denmark 8. Sweden 9. Austria 10. Czech Republic 11. Switzerland 12. Ireland 13. Germany 14. France 15. Malta 16. Belgium 17. Hungary 18. Australia 19. Slovakia 20. New Zealand 21. Estonia 22. United Kingdom 23. Luxembourg 24. Canada 25. Poland 26. Portugal 27. Japan 28. Lithuania 29. Italy 30. Greece 31. Spain 32. Bulgaria 33. Latvia 34. United States of America 35. Romania

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    More than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. ********** http://tinyurl.com/8euf8dh

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  • James E.January 03, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    Evelyn, if the data is correct, we have at least beaten Romania. What can we say except USA, USA, USA, USA!!! After all, we have no responsibility to feed hungry children, that's a problem for the parents. America should be so proud of our international ranking. Number one, number one, number one.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    James, who knows? Perhaps they made a mistake and we're really only 33rd, not 34th. I'm asking for a recount.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 12:28 pm

    I’m not bothering to source the following; have reached the “Take it or leave it stage." ********** • A higher % of American children are living in poverty today than back in 1975. • More than one out of every five of our children CURRENTLY LIVE IN POVERTY. • According to U.S. Census data, 57% of ALL American children live in a home considered either “poor” or “low income” ********** These kids must just "raise themselves up by their bootstraps", like our ancestors did. Strike out for those wide open lands and claim some for yourselves. Or get a job. I hear they're hiring in China.

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  • CatherineJanuary 03, 2013 - 2:34 pm

    Chronic adult homelessness, as opposed to folks who have suffer a temporary losses, is often due to criminal records. If, for example, you are an 18-year-old who has sex with a 14-year-old, I'm pretty sure you spend your life marked as a sex offender. If you get too drunk or experience a psychosis and get arrested, you might even become a felon. So, while poverty is an issue in the USA, we might want to look at expungement laws, and consider the way various events give people life long criminal records.

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  • CatherineJanuary 03, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    *** typos noted

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 03, 2013 - 3:13 pm

    Cookie, I've seen nothing of that. Curious. I'll have to keep eyes peeled, but I suspect that this is an invention. But I suspected the flu concussion was an invention. Hildabeast is . . . . i dont know . . . i'm getting dizzzzzzzzyyy . . .

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 3:27 pm

    Not to draw any conclusions that would make anyone on the left uncomfortable, but what I am gathering from this is that we have spent roughly the equivilant of our national debt on the war on poverty and we have the same or worse poverty than all the nations that haven't spent any? That causes me another question, have any of those other countries had the same expansion of government that we have enjoyed here or is that just a coincidence too? One might be led to believe that the money spent on the war on poverty has gone to expand government cause it sure hasn't done anything for the poor. Thanks to dumocrat logic we are frantically persuing the strategy of throwing even more good money after bad. All of this would be so much easier for me if I had attended school after they invented the "new math".

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 4:11 pm

    Generally the word "war" conjures up the military, with good reason. In terms of human life and resources, all wars are, to say the least, "expensive". At the same time, however, they are HUGELY PROFITABLE. Though making differing judgments, each of us is able to name at least some of the beneficiaries. But there is another kind of war, the social wars -- also declared by politicians. These wars as well are hugely profitable. How they happen to be declared and whether they do any actual good is for you to decide. One thing we do know, however, is that once declared, these wars are never “won”. A few: • War on Crime (J Edgar Hoover) • War on Poverty (Johnson) • War on Homelessness • War on Drugs (Reagan) • War on Gangs (Bush) • War on Terror (Bush) • War on Human Trafficking (Trafficking Protocol, 12/25/2003) • War on Cancer (Nixon) • War on Obesity (Obama)

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    The war on prosperity (obama). The war on the private sector (obama). The war on the 2nd amendment (obama). The war on religious freedom (obama). The war on coal (obama). The war on energy independence (obama). The war on small business (obama). The war on the middle class (obama). The war on the Constitution (obama).

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  • James E.January 03, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    Cookie, you are so officious when you describe the various wars, all of which have no meaning.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:11 pm

    officious = spot on

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:16 pm

    excuse me. i should have used a word from the university trained/brainwashed/intellectual/snob/pedantic croud . . . . officious = perspicacious

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:19 pm

    crowd?

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  • James E.January 03, 2013 - 6:35 pm

    Phil, close but how about officious: Assertive of authority knowing about all the Tea/Republican faux wars in an annoyingly domineering way.

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  • James E.January 03, 2013 - 6:38 pm

    Phil, Cookie being perspicacious? Cookie, really?

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 6:39 pm

    Priceless... http://www.usnews.com/cartoons/barack-obama-cartoons

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Not to be officious, cookie65, but you give Obama far too much credit. To name but two, the wars on prosperity and the Constitution DEFINITELY preceded Obama. He has merely refined them. Learn to think outside the blinkered party box! And to the supporting cast, OFFICIOUS definitely PERSPICACIOUS. Don't use big words you don't know the meaning of.

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    James, some pitches are made for denting cars in the parking lot.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    Speaking of cartoons . . . HERE (scroll down)

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    Evelyn, I don't disagree but never before have we had a commander-in-chief with the explicit intent of doing so. With no shame whatsoever.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    BRODNER'S CARTOON DU JOUR: HAPPY BIRTHDAY GEORGE W. BUSH - What to give Mr. Bush on his birthday: Two wars; a depression; huge deficits; unregulated industry; wiretapping and torture; a reactionary Supreme Court; a sullied national reputation and Constitution. These are his gifts to us: the gifts that keep on giving. HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 6:56 pm

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 7:12 pm

    James, I get paid for my discernment. So you could say it is a marketable skill. Lots of people seek me out for it.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 03, 2013 - 7:19 pm

    evelyn, IF A = B AND B = C THEN A = C Don't use mathematical concepts beyond your understanding. i.e. N. Korea = U.S.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    You're stuck in a time warp. Get out of Dodge while you can!

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 7:24 pm

    . . . HOWEVER: About that "N. Korea = U.S." thing, go back and read (with your glasses on) the article title. In the meantime, I'll drink to your health.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 7:28 pm

    . . . and THEN, if reading the title hasn't given you a headache or caused temporary blindness, try reading the article itself. I'll bet you $s to donuts you never got that far. But I may be wrong. In which case, I'll apologize in advance, but not after demanding that you cease being OFFICIOUS!!!

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    James, I am well aware that to the left and obama prosperity, the private sector, the 2nd amendment, religious freedom, coal, energy independence, small business, the middle class and the Constitution have no meaning. That is what we are up against and is the point I was making. I will use more one syllable words for you in the future if that will help.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 03, 2013 - 7:52 pm

    Cookie, Evelyn INSISTS I apologize to you for calling you perspicacious. I’m sorry. BTW – Good luck with James. He’s so unperspicacious.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    I'm sorry Cookie65. Though your comment was for James this is a public forum and I feel compelled to respond to your above. Personally I feel insulted by your generalization. As political lines are drawn I'd have to be characterized as the "left". It is a reckless mischaracterization to say that I don't care about the Constitution, prosperity, the 2nd Amendment, small business or the middle class. Being continuously stuck in and amplifying the US/THEM dichotomy is a trap set for us. We are not required to voluntarily walk into it. And continuously unthinkingly and deliberately using that ploy hardens the lines, stifling meaningful communication and aborting problem solving.

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 8:06 pm

    Another war obama is conducting. http://freebeacon.com/white-house-war-on-women-escalates/

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 8:16 pm

    Sometimes you shouldn't raise your hand. Be insulted all you want. "It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." -Thomas Paine.

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 8:20 pm

    It is "right vs wrong" .

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  • cookie65January 03, 2013 - 8:23 pm

    Phil, James is #4 from the movie Multiplicity.

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  • EvelynJanuary 03, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    . . . and we are to believe that YOU, Cookie65, own "the truth". Or the right owns the "the truth". Or the Tea Party owns "the truth". Or wherever it is you find your own personal identification owns "the truth". Just too bad about us lesser mortals who should feel privileged to walk in your shadow, never to emerge into "the light". PERSPICACIOUS is not the word I'd use for this. Oh, I forgot, you get PAID for your "discernment". But never fear, we'll keep stumbling along, even though we haven't a hope in Hades of ever arriving. Thanks for taking the time to attempt to enlighten us. Now I think I'll go over to Huffington Post to see what you've learned today. I can at least attempt to keep up. Oh . . . and about that "corn planting" . . .

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  • cookie65January 04, 2013 - 6:02 am

    The left doesn't "stumble along", they are "led" to their conclusions. Or do you believe it is just coincedence that they all reach identical opinions on vertually every subject? Just like a school of fish.

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  • cookie65January 04, 2013 - 6:09 am

    Some people around the net aren't nearly and generous as I am when it comes to obama and his minions. Here is an example. "When he looks out over this once great land he see´s, cultivates and caters to the largest group of dumbed-down, barely aware, dope-smoking, self-absorbed, media-influenced, celebrity-obsessed, Food-Stamp wielding, Escalade driving, Kool-Aid drinking, entitlement rich, government-dependent, busted-ass, free-loading, low information, Obamaphone zombies and ignorant, gullible, White guilt-ridden, Volvo-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, bottled-water-drinking, Politically Correct, Xanax-disabled, Valium-dependent, mindless, spineless liberal lemmings that´s ever existed!"

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  • DeeJanuary 04, 2013 - 7:27 am

    Cookie, quote from James Carvville,---“Ideologies aren’t all that important. What’s important is psychology. The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd. Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have a clue as to political reality. What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard workers and convince them that they should support social programs that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you want. The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic operative instead of a Republican was because there were more Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans. Truth is relative. Truth is what you can make the voter believe is the truth. If you’re smart enough, truth is what you make the voter think it is. That’s why I’m a Democrat. I can make the Democratic voters think whatever I want them to.” This says it all.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 04, 2013 - 7:58 am

    Dee, Carville is married to Republican Mary Matalin. I couldn't imagine being married to someone of opposite beliefs. The democratic sheepel don't realize what's happening to them and the country.

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  • EvelynJanuary 04, 2013 - 8:10 am

    DB Smith, Matalin and Carville certainly DO make an odd couple. Dee, thanks for the really funny quote! Apparently it debuted in October 2012, having been falsely posted by an unknown user to a quotations website called thinkexist.com. Perhaps you could give us the news article, speech, interview transcript, or printed source documenting this statement purportedly from James Carville. His office maintains he never said it. But then, as you know, "truth is relative".

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  • DB SmithJanuary 04, 2013 - 8:25 am

    Sacramento has now topped the list for the worst city for small business in the entire nation. Democratic rule and their poor decisions are ruining this state! Did you hear about that two faced global warming Democratic VP Al Gore prick and his latest business deal? Busy day so I gotta git er going....

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  • EvelynJanuary 04, 2013 - 8:26 am

    Having begun the day with a good laugh, for old time's sake, an offering of George W's best. HERE. And they're actually all sourced.

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  • EvelynJanuary 04, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Want some good Tea Party quotes? HERE. My personal favorite is #2, Christine O'Donnell. ********** My ONLY point is that using quotations -- real OR fake -- to smear entire groups of people is a poor substitute for honest exchange.

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  • EvelynJanuary 04, 2013 - 8:47 am

    I've just discovered a source of funny quotes on just about anything you can think of, including "Funny Bible Quotes": Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to an alien living in any of your towns and he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner... ~ Deuteronomy 14:21 (I have not checked to see if this really is from Deuteronomy. Feel free to do so and report back. I claim no responsibility, 'cause I found it on the internet.)

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  • EvelynJanuary 04, 2013 - 8:55 am

    How very odd. The same website that deals primarily in Biblical quotes – Catholic, healing, Christian, love, friendship, God, Brotherly Love, friends, forgiveness (to name but a few) – ALSO has John Kerry quotes. What is THAT all about? I’ll bet I could start a website and then one day people would be authoritatively quoting me! (Got my work cut out for me now.)

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  • James E.January 04, 2013 - 11:20 am

    Cookie, just like a school of fish, following the bogus Tea/Republican/Republican/Think Tank talking points. Rigid bogus talking points from the top to the bottom, followed religiously without question.

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  • James E.January 04, 2013 - 11:29 am

    Cookie, so food stamp recipients drive Escalades? And I bet they drive them to Ruths Chris to spend their food stamps on filet and fine wine. Isn't this a rehash of Reagan's false reference to the welfare queen driving a Cadillac? But, anyway, thanks for updating the talking point. Ruths does have good steaks, but I was disappointed when we went there for Thanksgiving -- turkey cut from the bird? No, cut from a turkey roll -- I was shocked and appalled.

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  • EvelynJanuary 05, 2013 - 2:07 pm

    A QUOTE TO NOTE: "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." ~ Mark Twain, 1885

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By El Dorado County Office of Education | From Page: B2 | Gallery

 
Team works to fight disease

By Placerville Kiwanis | From Page: B3

 
COOL School is accepting applications

By Rescue Union | From Page: B4

Band of Miwoks fund mission

By Shingle Springs Band Of Miwok Indians | From Page: B12

 
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Essentials

Crime Log: March 25-27

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A2

 
Weather stats 4-15-14

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2

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Obituaries

Ronald Russell Rohrer

By Contributor | From Page: A2, 2 Comments

 
Numa Edward “Ed” Roberts

By Contributor | From Page: A2

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Real Estate

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Comics

Shoe

By Contributor | From Page: A10

 
Rubes

By Contributor | From Page: A10

New York Times Crossword

By Contributor | From Page: A10

 
Tundra

By Contributor | From Page: A10

Horoscope, Thursday, April 17, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A10

 
Horoscope, Wednesday, April 16, 2014

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TV Listings

By Contributor | From Page: A10

 
Sudoku

By Contributor | From Page: A10

Flying McCoys

By Contributor | From Page: A10

 
Speed Bump

By Contributor | From Page: A10

Working It Out

By Contributor | From Page: A10