Monday, April 21, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

‘Factual inaccuracies’

EDITOR:

It is the job of newspapers to inform readers of factual information, not promote lies about climate change. Please join with the Los Angeles Times in implementing a formal policy of refusing to publish any letters to the editor or other content that denies climate change.

Earlier this month, the L.A. Times letters editor wrote: “Simply put, I do my best to keep errors of fact off the letters page; when one does run, a correction is published. Saying ‘there’s no sign humans have caused climate change’ is not stating an opinion, it’s asserting a factual inaccuracy.” (CREDO)

It would be great if you could do this for the other “factual inaccuracies” you so readily publish in your paper to fuel your tea party agenda.

TERRI KLINE
Camino

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  • Foaming at the MouthOctober 29, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    Are you kidding? The Mt Demo runs EDITORIALS saying climate change is bunk.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 14, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    Terri, do you have a "verboten list" or is anthropogenic global warming just a one-off?

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  • EvelynNovember 14, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    Look HERE. Daily climate change -- should make everyone happy.

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  • James E.November 14, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Evelyn, we better get some rain soon.

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  • EvelynNovember 14, 2013 - 7:28 pm

    Totally agreed, James. The lack thereof is quite frightening.

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  • James E.November 14, 2013 - 8:40 pm

    Evelyn, I just checked Netflix and there are several movies entitled Bliss. I mean, of course, the one about the Middle East young women who is sentenced to death because of the crime which was committed on her. It can be viewed on your computer.

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  • MartinNovember 15, 2013 - 1:51 am

    The following is copied but to date it is the best explanation of denial that I have found, I along with most common sense individuals believe that human intervention is just a drop in a bucket compared to actual cause of climate change. There is no real evidence that we are the cause of climate change, may be a contributor but not the cause. Johnny Ball is a TV presenter with 23 solo series under his belt. As well as being a prominent advocate for the public understanding of science, especially among the young, he is also a Royal Academy of Engineering medalist for his work in the public promotion of engineering. When the climate-change furore began around 1988, I was alarmed and took a stance against it, earning the title ‘denier’. Now, 24 years later, everything I advocated then has been proven to be true. The damage done to the image of science, engineering and technology in terms of warping the minds of future generations of engineers and scientists, politicians and the general public will take years to repair. So on what did I base my opposition, with complete disregard to the danger to my reputation? Was the planet warming? Yes, it was, and by 1998 it had warmed 0.7°C in 100 years. But it had reached that peak in the 1930s and had been so much cooler in the 1960s as to suggest an oncoming ice age. There was, and still is, nothing alarming about the trend at all. But the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) consistently claimed that catastrophic changes were taking place. We now know that all those claims were exaggerations and their leader Rajenda Pachauri has said: “There must be no more exaggeration!” In truth, there has been no sea-level rise, glacier depletion, ocean acidification or polar ice loss. All have fluctuated in line with normal expectations. Burn anything, including food, and hydrocarbons split with oxygen to produce CO2 and water with usually two molecules of water for every one of CO2. Now the water is a greenhouse gas. Cloud traps heat and keeps things mild, while the absence of cloud lets heat disappear and we have morning frost. In fact, water is more than 85 per cent of the cause of local climate-change. But the IPCC never introduced water to the computer models that pointed the finger at CO2. The major thrust of climate-change claims is that man is destroying the planet. There is much evidence to show that we are the greatest burden that Earth has to bear. To simply rape the earth of all its fossil-fuels would be gross folly. But there is a conceit that mankind is so important. Less than 4 per cent of all CO2 produced is manmade. Every tree and creature grows, dies, rots and ferments, giving back its CO2. The oceans covering 70 per cent of the Earth’s surface contain 80 per cent of all plant and animal life. Man, compared to that, is far less significant. Only one-quarter of the 30 per cent of the planet that is land can support man unaided - just 7.5 per cent of the entire surface. Add volcanoes and natural phenomena, and man is quite puny. But we are a burden to the Earth and reducing that burden is our responsibility. The answer is engineering greater efficiency. But look at our record in that. The Clean Air Act of the late 1950s means that today a building stays the same colour as when new. The catalytic converter means that vehicles are cleaner than even thought possible 25 years ago. It prevents sulphurs entering the atmosphere and turns unburnt or half-burnt carbons into CO2. Why? Because CO2 is harmless. More CO2 provides more plant food and is, in effect, greening the planet. New cars require only half the engine size to produce the same power and twice the mileage. Electric generators that 25 years ago were around 30 per cent efficient are now around 70 per cent efficient. Yet the ‘greens’ would have us adopt wind generation, solar power or electric cars, none of which can ever approach the efficiency of boiling water to achieve a 600 times expansion and thus power the world as economically as is possible to date. Green policies cause more damage. Whatever our future problems, including unburdening the planet, engineering is our only salvation, and improvements are huge in every aspect. Recent miracles will be dwarfed by those we will achieve in the future. But only if we put our faith in leading-edge engineers finding the best and safest way forward. The day of the extreme, irrational, badly schooled yet powerful environmental lobbyists must come to a close, for all our sakes.

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 5:32 am

    LMAO!!!!! Another fine example of how the left defines scientific pursuit and knowledge. "we say it is true so shut the he// up"!!! This is said to be education. Hey Terri, global warming is what happens in between ice ages. Is this the science of politics or political science?

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  • Dink LaneNovember 16, 2013 - 12:29 pm

    Back in the 50s the Russians shot off "Sputnik" and the Republican President and the Democrats in Congress said: "We can do better than that!" ...... Now today the "Conservative" party ONLY wants to "conserve" corporations -- not the country......... They have no use for "Doing Better" they only want "their interests"....... Which will bring this country down to a 3rd world nation where only "wealthy people" have an education and only "wealthy people" have clean water and clean air....

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    Dink, when does the "doing better" of hope and change kick in? Jobs, jobs, jobs dink. Not welfare, foodstamps, and phones. The left is building an army of government benevolence recipients, and it ain't gonna end pretty. Go take a math class dink.

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 5:38 am

    When Einstein first published his theory of relativity every self-respecting scientist on the planet set out to disprove it. That was back in a time when science wasn't used for monetary or political gain. The promoters of the global warming fraud ignore, reject, and omit evidence that disproves their redistribution of wealth scheme. Which is NOT scientific, it is pseudo science. They are totally dependent on useful idiots to keep the lie alive.

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 4:42 am

    ....'back in a time when science wasn't used for monetary or political gain' says convenientlycensorscrediblecontentcookie. Again. Just how big a pair of blinders comes with your GOP welcome kit cookie? Lets see...The Atom Bomb. There's a bit of political AND monetary gain. Scotch Tape. Monetary. Frozen Food. Monetary again. The jet engine...double score. My gawd you are just dumber than rocks on a retard. I don't like insults but claim the cookie exemption until natural selection finally takes her to her reward.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 10:13 am

    Morris, for someone who doesn't "like insults", you sure do a lot of insulting. But, you are not alone. Seems that's all the left can do, when they don't like what's being said.

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 6:01 am

    The global warming fraud is easily explainable with another cookieism. All leftism sees is the wealth created by freemarkets and they invent ways to confiscate it. Being incapable of creating any wealth themselves.

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 6:42 am

    How many newspapers promoted the lie that people would be able to keep their healthcare? By some strange coincidence, the same ones that promote the global warming fraud. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” -- Joseph Goebbels Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda March 13, 1933 - May 1, 1945

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 15, 2013 - 7:42 am

    Terri, I guess you haven't heard of, or obviously don't believe in freedom of speech, unless it only agrees with your views. Cookie is so right about the left, it's pretty scary. And Terri, I believe Martin's letter, but you don't, so I guess he shouldn't be able to put it in the paper, according to your leftist, un-American world. If you don't like or believe what an article says, don't read it, but don't try to take might right away, to read it.

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  • MartinNovember 15, 2013 - 10:16 am

    If it wasn’t for lies and deceit we would only have one party the GOP

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 15, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Despite study after study refuting Global warming some on the left just won't let go..And, whether or not global warming is real or a myth, Lib's never seem to want to blame the air polluting industry of China or the massive deforestation in Brazil...Who do Lib's like Terry always want to blame ??... The Tea Party....Yup, it must be those darn Tea Party folks smoking all those clove cigarettes causing that global warming..LOL....

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 9:10 am

    R.j, real or myth isn't even debatable, global warming has and will continue to part of this planet just like global cooling. How can we confiscate wealth from it is the only concern of leftists. How can we use it to control people? How can we use it to dictate behavior? Good or Bad, is the question the lemmings don't want answered or even asked because every last shred of evidence shows that life flourishes during times of warming. Try growing a tomato in the permafrost.

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  • Jim RiordanNovember 15, 2013 - 9:54 am

    Martin, Cookie and RJ. I agree. I will add one more theory . . . too many non-engineering-type socialists talking all at once thus contributing so much hot air it is heating the atmosphere.(;>))

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 15, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Cookie....Very true...I guess my round-a-bout point was, that the left tries to use absolutely everything, up to and including the natural cycles of planet solely for own political gain..They don't miss a trick...

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 9:27 am

    You are right R.j. they don't miss a trick. The title of this 3rd grade attempt at thoughtfulness is "factual inaccuracies". Yet the writer ignores the fact that co2 is not a pollution as described by the groupthink lemmings, it is a food. Classifying co2 as a pollution (which is the center piece of the lie) is as factually inaccurate scientifically as you can get.

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  • rodNovember 15, 2013 - 10:16 am

    Terri, you ask the MD to, “Please join with the Los Angeles Times in implementing a formal policy of refusing to publish any letters to the editor or other content that denies climate change”. First, why would you want any policy, formal or informal denying the public their right to know both sides of any debate? Anthropogenic climate change is still entirely based on opinion. Do your homework, or are you just pushing a scientifically ignorant agenda? Climate change IS here, it always has been with or without man’s contribution of CO2 if you think about it. Nothing is static in nature and complaining about change … is just static. Why is that so hard to understand? ... unless you don't WANT to understand it. Secondly, I read the LA times frequently, they appear to encourage debate as does the MD. Show some class Terri, quit with the liberal twist on everything, its really getting old, and we are tired of censorship in sheep's clothing. The sooner we recognize the environmental destruction ’environmentalists’ have caused the sooner we can turn the clock back to more jobs, and a better economy. It’s the strength of our economy, not regulation that enables us to embrace environmental stewardship, lifeboat for the entire planet.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 15, 2013 - 5:04 pm

    Rod, Terri, and the rest of the left obviously don't believe in freedom of speech if it doesn't agree with their "non-factual" beliefs. Talk about a communistic view. How could it get much worse?

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 4:47 am

    1. 'Communistic' is not a word. 2. Idiot is a word. 3. Kristi is an idiot. 4. I claim cookiekristi exemption. Thank you. Have a communistic day.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Morris, maybe if you got your big nose out of the dictionary and stoped worrying about proper words, you might have a clue what's happening in the "real" world. If I ever agreed with you left brained idiots, then we would both be wrong.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 10:08 am

    Morris, oops, "stopped", is that better for you?

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 10:34 am

    "Environmentalism is the new communism" -- Czech President, Vaclav Klaus. http://ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/the-cold-war-lives-on-gorbachev-exposes-global-communist-environmentalism-conspiracy/

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  • rodNovember 15, 2013 - 10:46 am

    Wow cookie, scary real, good to know

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 11:44 am

    Rod, check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnS_fNIyq0

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  • rodNovember 15, 2013 - 12:33 pm

    Cats are clever... good one. The concept of adaptation is totally lost on our "protectors of innocent species", our government landgrabbers. polar bears will hunt seals the same way... no ice necessary!

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 6:06 pm

    Terri, the man-made global warming fraud is literally the epitome of arrogance. Simply because it advances the notion that we can control the weather. It first claims that man by man's activities are effecting the weather, for better or worse that is claiming to control the weather. Secondly in claims that we can fix it. Guess what fixing it implies? It implies we can control the weather. If you somehow believe the subject of whether or not we can control the weather is off limits for debate or even raising doubts about then you have lost your mind.

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  • Susie O.November 15, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    cookie65 provides a link that ends with: global-communist-environmentalism-conspiracy/. Hahahaha, good one cookie65, got your tin foil hat on again, I see! Hard to take you seriously!

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    Susie, how long have you believed we can control the weather?

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Susie, given the fact that ignorance is bliss and I would never intend to interrupt your blissfulness I would offer you something not over your head. A link to treehugger.com and the value of communism in environmentalism in their own words. http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/6-green-lessons-we-can-learn-from-communism.html

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    Susie, have you ever heard or read (I realize you probably don't read but I will mention it anyway) the use of the expression watermelons when describing the radical environazis? It means they are green on the outside and red on the inside, because they use environmentalism as a Trojan horse for their political goals of statism, more regulation, less freedom, wealth redistribution more taxes and global government. That ends my attempt to offer you any type of education that goes against what you have been trained to believe. No one is more blind than one who refuses to see.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 15, 2013 - 8:23 pm

    Cookie, there are some that just can't be educated.

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 5:17 am

    Indeed.

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  • PatriceNovember 16, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    Indeed is right Morris. She is like a little puppy that has found a tit.

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  • T-RayNovember 15, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    The third aspect of my subject is that of science as a method of finding things out. This method is based on the principle that observation is the judge of whether something is so or not. All other aspects and characteristics of science can be understood directly when we understand that observation is the ultimate and final judge of the truth of an idea. But "prove" used in this way really means "test," in the same way that a hundred-proof alcohol is a test of the alcohol, and for people today the idea really should be translated as, "The exception tests the rule." Or, put another way, "The exception proves that the rule is wrong." That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong. --- Richard Feynman. Basically he is saying that it only takes one exception to disprove a scientific theory. Scientific theories are never proven, just not dis-proven to to date. The fact that all of the models used to forecast AGW failed to predict the last 13 years disproves them. They are not valid, hence the AGW theory does not fit the empirical data and should not be relied on for political and economic actions.

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  • cookie65November 15, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    T-Ray, that is exactly why every self-respecting scientists set out to disprove Einstein's theory. Not to make him look silly but the method used in science is to eliminate theories by disproving them. Man-made global warming has been disproved a thousand different ways. Just the fact that the climate has changed thousands of times prior to man is evidence all by itself. But the money keep flowing.

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  • R SmithNovember 16, 2013 - 8:02 am

    This letter indicates that a fool a day will try to keep the truth away. It becomes clear how Obama got elected.

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  • Dr. Phil O SophyNovember 16, 2013 - 8:16 am

    When was the last time anyone was actually swayed by the comments posted on a MD article? crickets... Everyone is entitled their opinion and thus entitled to be either correct or incorrect on any subject. The insecurity of being wrong is actually a greater issue than any given subject. The axiom most used: If I am correct, then you are absolutely wrong because I do not take positions to be wrong which just reinforces why I am correct. Reality is that the truth about any subject is rarely on the fringe, rarely a conspiracy and rarely solved by politicians or personal agenda and completely misrepresented by virtually lay persons. Now supplement that principle with the fact that neither jumping up and down nor bludgeoning with canned rhetoric are effective persuasive argument techniques. Dr. Phil says: Step out into the light and embrace your wrongness!!!

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 8:49 am

    Dr. Phil, you are accurate with your assessment that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, We have a political ideology who takes their bent and twisted opinions and proceed to dictate everyone else's life, choices, beliefs, thoughts and freedom for them. In other words "their opinions" get turned into regulations, restrictions, taxation, mandates, dictates, and a never ending loss of freedom. Even this letter is promoting the loss of political debate and free speech due to "their" opinion. We are being forced to live under the doctrines of the global warming religion. I demand the separation of church and state when it comes to the government mandated religion of global warming.

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  • Dr. Phil O SophyNovember 16, 2013 - 9:24 am

    Congratulations Cookie for successfully applying the axiom and the affiliated principles. Bottom line: the convert list remains unchanged on either side of the issue and still hearing crickets. Self medication is not a pathway to the personal well being.

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 10:25 am

    Dr. Phil, a new scientology building has a floor where members can receive their super powers. They can step into the light and embrace their rightness. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508032/New-Scientology-building-Florida-floor-members-super-powers.html

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 10:51 am

    It is being reported that the room temperature IQ bigot network pmsnbc has suspended the bigoted supporter of tolerance and diversity, alec the bigot baldwin. Being enlightened you would think he would understand the soft bigotry of leftism is ok and the hardcore bigotry toward everyone who disagrees with leftism is required. Anything that undermines the make believe of leftists tolerance is not. And it only took multiple offenses on his part. Even though the suspension is only temporary. A slightly different standard than what the left applied to Paula Deen for something she uttered 30 years ago. He must promote the redistribution of wealth. That will get anyone a pass. The mental disease of leftism never ever disappoints. http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/msnbc-suspends-alec-baldwins-show-for-two-weeks-1200838577/

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  • EvelynNovember 16, 2013 - 8:44 am

    Dr. Phil: Only one person on this forum could have put it so. We do seem to expend a lot of energy beating up on one another. To what fruitful end?

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 8:57 am

    Morris, would you care to offer an opinion on how Hansen and his fraudulent hockey stick graph has been used for monetary and political gain since that is the subject we are discussing and not how science, discovery and invention has brought us out of caves where the enviro's would have us all living if it were up to them. How much wealth has the IPCC confiscated from the producers? Your spin has spun out.

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  • Cap'n CrunchNovember 16, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Thank you, Terri - for yet another sterling example of liberal tolerance: "Agree with me or I'll muzzle you." Straight from the Al Gore school of scientific debate...

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Morris, I take it from your 4:42 am contribution that a new strategy is in play. Is it because all the old standby's of denier, anti-science, flat earther and others that provided cover for a complete lack of intellectual curiosity on the part of the faithful followers have lost their punch since the garbage in garbage out climate models have proved to be utter failures? Why is the left so angry that global warming has paused? Wasn't that the objective? Don't worry, your ilk will never stop inventing new ways to dictate people's lives and confiscate wealth. If you studied leftism a little more you would understand that fact.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 10:34 am

    cookie65: Morris is too busy reading the dictionary to keep up!

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  • rodNovember 16, 2013 - 9:27 am

    T-Ray, Astute comment, but I'll add, “The most important component of climate science is careful, long-term observations of climate-related phenomena, from space, from land, and in the oceans. If observations do not support code predictions—like rapidly rising global temperatures—Feynman has told us what conclusions to draw about the theory.” Famous Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov, of the St Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory, painted a Doomsday scenario saying the recent inclement weather simply proved we were heading towards a frozen planet… supported by Feynman principle. Why? Because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down”. (The Guardian, George Monbiot’s blog) Dr. Abdussamatov is not the only scientist to put perspective to the long record of global temperatures and come up with ‘global cooling’. Yet we have nearly half an entire generation somewhat stuck on stupid, to be blunt, because there has been way too much exaggeration on the POTENTIAL effects of increased CO2. Many simply equate glacial melt and subsequent sea level rise, and the entire spectrum of weather phenomena all explainable by… man made global warming, and by Feynman’s principle, is simply not science.

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  • Gold CountryNovember 16, 2013 - 9:36 am

    Nothing beats being right.

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 9:48 am

    Old and busted: global warming is real and man is responsible... New hotness: Volcanic particles in the atmosphere or deep water oceans have absorbed excessive heat and delayed our emanate doom.

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 9:52 am

    *imminent doom

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 10:07 am

    The new racists....http://campusreform.org/?ID=5239

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  • R.j. CarterNovember 16, 2013 - 10:13 am

    Kristy....Dang, I hate it when that happens....

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 10:14 am

    North America's largest ski resort opening 13 days early this year. How inconvenient for the global warming fraud. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/snowandski/skiing-news/10449066/Whistler-ski-resort-to-open-13-days-early.html

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  • Cap'n CrunchNovember 16, 2013 - 10:47 am

    ...And to think - about 30 some-odd years ago, the big scare was "global cooling"...

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 10:55 am

    Has anyone noticed that it is now called "climate change" so no matter what is going on with the earth's natural climate changes, which has been going for eons, they can claim they are correct, that mankind is causing it. That way they can just keep scamming more money and "green technology" b.s. out of our society. The only thing "green" about their concerns, is the green that is lining their pockets!

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  • Clam ChowderNovember 16, 2013 - 11:00 am

    Cristy, lets you and me find someone to laugh at.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 11:11 am

    Clam: No problem, there are plenty of those, including you :)!!

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  • Clam ChowderNovember 16, 2013 - 11:55 am

    Cristy hanging with you is a dream come true. Lets next pull wings off flies.

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  • MartinNovember 16, 2013 - 11:36 am

    Our best says CO2 cools which debunks all bull s---t that is being put out. They NASA I would say have the most up to date technology available. “NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.”

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 1:17 pm

    But Martin: Terri doesn't believe that, so you shouldn't have the right to put it in the MD.

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 11:56 am

    This is what the left calls being informed and civil. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/95144-outrageous-video-msnbcs-martin-bashir-someone-should-defecate-in-sarah-palins-eyes-and-m/

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  • Clam ChowderNovember 16, 2013 - 11:58 am

    No moss grows off you girl.

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  • Dude 2 UNovember 16, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    Anyone notice all the parallel strings of discussion here, occasionally crossing over to actually communicate on the letter? So many levels of intellect, so little time... Terri's letter/comment/manifesto is an unequivocally perfect example of liberal intolerance, that tunnel vision political ethos that she so abhors in 'teabaggers'... is her mantra in a mirror.

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  • R SmithNovember 16, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    There will always be those who hit their thumb with a hammer and try to tell you it did not hurt.

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  • cookie65November 16, 2013 - 6:19 pm

    R Smith, that made me laugh out loud!! Knowing how much it "smarts" for the smartest among us who got faked out of their jock straps by this charlatan that they elected twice. Leftists can't learn.

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 6:52 pm

    Kristi, it is quite rare for me to deliver the first insult. Very rare. And even when I do, I recognize that it is indeed pot black. So you see, therein lies the key difference between individuals such as myself and those with behaviors and mindsets as your own: I recognize the poverty in firing the first round and take no enjoyment from it. Your position, however, is wholly different and, simply, foul for the sake of both being a hard-hearted Hanna and hampered by an inability to offer credible rebuttal. To compensate - or, rather, overcompensate - you being to the table only insults and the condescending projection of a silly cow with a bad spiral perm; worn no doubt today as it was in 1981. Or whatever year you got off welfare after receiving government paid job training followed by a government job leading to your current position of suckling the teat of government paid sloth. Cookie mirrors this behavior but adds her signature by way of highly parsed quotes, avoidance and rebuttal by way of who can insert the most hyperlinks to shill websites masquerading as news. So you can count on me avoiding insults with 99% of folks and only returning an insult after having one directed at myself. Should there be any doubt of this being true, feel free to audit my posts to your own or any others. The tally will be remarkably low; especially when held in comparison to your own or those of cookie. As for the 'exemption' (cookiekristi exemption) I plan to retain this and do so because it is, sadly, the only language you understand. Intelligent argument, reason, respect and fact seem meaningless in your world of arrogant functional illiteracy. Leading me to believe that the only person less intelligent than yourself is the poor sap who - obviously sans protection - inserted within you that which was needed to qualify for the welfare and job training you received.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Morris: You are so right, as always, no insults there, hope you have a great weekend. Keep up the dictionary reading, it sure makes you sound smart! Oh, and nice too!

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 7:26 pm

    I know! Now see how that all sounded to you Kristi? That's basically every posting you have submitted; albeit more monosyllabic but you get the idea. Err...or not.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 8:03 pm

    Morris: In every comment where you disagree with the writer, you always seem to manage to insult them, one way or the other. Sorry, just my monosyllabic opinion.

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  • Dude 2 uNovember 16, 2013 - 7:35 pm

    Yeh, yeh morris, but Kristi 'gets it'. U however keep riding that one trick pedantic pony. Where's the luv morris. like the jay geils band sang, "Everyone loves a dead president", maybe it's time for your violin.

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    Bring it Dude. If anything it will dispel the myth that progressives are unarmed.

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  • MorrisNovember 16, 2013 - 10:52 pm

    Kristy, we can start fresh if you agree. I'd be happy with that and would much rather debate issues respectfully and with the intent of maybe learning from someone a point of view not previously considered. I've said before and will say again: I appreciate this. Someone here changed my whole position on capital punishment and abortion; having the more convincing argument. But to do so, the typical 'leftist agenda' and other insults need to stop. I may not like your position. You may not like mind. And while i wont be punked, It seems to me that we do a better job of debating when leaving harsh comments out. Hope you agree.

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  • Courtney StoddenNovember 16, 2013 - 11:06 pm

    Call me, Moe. . . . one more try?

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  • MorrisNovember 17, 2013 - 12:22 am

    Courtney, losing you to that guy from Lost was just heartbreaking. It...well, it changed me Courtney. So when Dude Twou started talkin pretty I just went with it. Our commitment ceremony is planned for Feb 14th; the right Rev. Phil officiating. I'll be wearing white. Dude in bashful or blush...they all look like pink to me but white just isn't an option for him. We are registered at Bass Pro Shop. Lovely selection of compound bows hint hint. Be strong. - Moe

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 16, 2013 - 11:35 pm

    Morris: Works for me.

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  • cookie65November 17, 2013 - 7:32 am

    Morris, in a battle of wits facts and historical evidence, progs truly are unarmed.

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  • Dude 2 uNovember 16, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    What, u got a fork in your pocket?

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  • Dr. Phil O SophyNovember 17, 2013 - 7:44 am

    Saturday's conversion score sheet: 0 - 0. The axiom: If I am correct, then you are absolutely wrong because I do not take positions to be wrong which just reinforces why I am correct. Yeah team! Go, Fight, Win!!

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  • PattyNovember 17, 2013 - 11:58 am

    Morris Are you 2 timing me? I thought I was your southern belle!

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  • Courtney StoddenNovember 17, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    Patty dear, in Moe's world there's no such thang as tootiming. He's wearing white(probably taffeta). His partner will be in beige. If you show up in a garish print they will probably show their progressiveness and welcome your fashion statement as progressively progressive. You three shall be one. . . . unless they mistake you for a Tea Party matron. If they have a large fire and a cauldron you could be main course. . . . parboiled Patty.

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 17, 2013 - 10:33 pm

    Morris, taffeta? Really? Morris, chiffon and organza are flattering to almost all body types. Is Patty a fatty? Consider E Clamus Vitas red flannel.

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  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 6:29 am

    Patty! You're alive! But how? Courtney said you perished from the shock of learning your true identity of Patricia Cake; the amnesia prone toaster streudel heiress of Wisconsin. Who secretly was working as a secret agent of the CIA as a spokesmodel but actually looking into a suspected Danish elimination plot by mysterious cell group 'Cookie 65'. Courtney lied. That imprudent strumpet. I shall pen to her a sharply worded rebuke of several paragraphs; each beginning with 'strumpet'.

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  • MartinNovember 17, 2013 - 3:33 pm

    The following is not a factual inaccuracy; I am conservative that has had his livelihood ratcheted from me by environmental bleeding hearts that feel the land is there land. I have tested the environmental groups’ science through many hours of research and found that they seem to have deep pockets that receives donations from many different anti development organizations along with making huge profits from suing the government; They are always reimbursed for legal fees whether or not they win or lose; most of the time they sue and the government settles without even fighting them. They want us to become complicit to their demands and move from the country side to the city where they can keep the natural resources to themselves. They stopped mining, agriculture and shut down the timber industry through the endangered species act. What ever happen to the survival of the fittest? I have lived in the county all my life and I have yet to see an animal leave because I live there, they make it sound that if you build something the animals that lived there will parish, “not so” they in most cases walk across the drive to the next lot or move into the dog house or under a shrub. The environmentalist are fear mongering left wing idiots that have no idea what happens in the countryside because 90% of them live in the city and have a fat government paycheck, they could care less what happens to people that actually have to use their hands to work for a living. They have a paycheck regardless of what harm they do. Now they are trying to close down another two million acres to human traffic for a yellow legged frog here in the Sierra’s; they have already closed down millions of acres to the timber industry because of a spotted owl! They found that the owl has been promiscuous and have been crossbreeding with Barred Owl s and now they are losing their spots causing a decline in population by 1-3.5% every year Now “They” want to kill their lover so that they can stay virtuous; when did they become god and decide that the spotted owl could only have sex with another spotted owl; I thought that was already decided that you could have sex with anyone. “God help us we are in deep dodo”

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 17, 2013 - 4:27 pm

    Martin: You are so right and it really is scary. I could go on even more, but you said it so well, I don't feel I need to say anymore. You made the point perfectly. It's just sad so many don't get it.

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