Wednesday, April 23, 2014
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Failed stimulus?

EDITOR:

In Mr. Alger’s response to my letter concerning austerity, he indicates a dismal waste of $800 billion in the “failed” stimulus. Calling it a failed stimulus is a Tea/Republican talking point that may not be accurate.

About $374 Billion of the stimulus went to tax cuts as I recall — does Mr. Alger claim tax cuts are bad? And, of the remaining $425 billion surely some good came from it unless the Democrats embezzled it down to the last dime.

As for the United States not having the financial position to pursue more stimulus spending, the United States does not have a credit card limit and we can afford whatever we want to afford (false wars, corporate welfare, tax breaks available to the wealthy, bloated military, etc.). I think I read there are 423 military golf courses around the world. A fact: The military does not need even one golf course.

Mr. Alger, austerity is not the answer when the economy is struggling. Stimulus is the answer.

JAMES E. LONGHOFER
Placerville

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 20, 2012 - 4:10 pm

    James, tell your Nobel Peace Prize Prez (NPPP) to end his wars and unbloat (debloat? disembloat?) the military!

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  • DB SmithDecember 20, 2012 - 4:30 pm

    Can someone direct me to the Joe Biden website so that I can see how the stimulus money has been spent to date? As I recall, he was the go-to-man that was going to track every dime and keep the American tax payer informed. Please just provide an accurate web site and I'll go from there. Thank you very much.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 20, 2012 - 5:08 pm

    www.joesblackhole.com

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  • DB SmithDecember 20, 2012 - 5:14 pm

    :)

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  • AR15December 20, 2012 - 8:39 pm

    Mr. Smith, please do not bother VP Joe about any failed stimulus money at this time. He's going to be way to busy with his new assignment of figuring out what an assault weapon is.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 20, 2012 - 10:04 pm

    Hear hear Colonel to your words, "A fact: The military does not need even one golf course." I recall my wasted days on the golf course when I was stationed in Nuremberg. I suggest that you add the photography shops, hobby shops, bowling alleys, movie theaters. Also when I was in Korea the barber shop had a masseuse. Cut all that crap. Those things deprive GIs of investing more of their time at the Nuremberg “Wall” and the Korean “business girls” and the NCO Club happy hour cheap booze.

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  • James E.December 20, 2012 - 11:22 pm

    Phil, so you were a golfer in the Battle of Nurnberg? I always enjoyed visiting the stadium and standing where Hitler stood when he addressed the annual rally. And the various small cafes around town that had good food and good beer (Ein bier Herr Ober). By the way, I'd keep the bowling alley, movie theater, and hobby shop -- troops have to have some diversion instead of visiting the wall which you seem to have some strange and complete knowledge of??

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 21, 2012 - 4:41 am

    One of my worst experiences at the “battle of Nuremberg” was the time I had to get up early one Sunday to prep my UH1 to fly General Trying-to-remember-his-name to some dressage who-ha over in Mannheim. . . . ptsd . . . memory loss . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 21, 2012 - 5:57 am

    . . . got it! . . . Scherer - General Scher(r)er

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  • James E.December 21, 2012 - 10:57 am

    Phil, when I read that you had to get up early on a Sunday during the Battle of Nurnberg, I choked up and had to observe a moment of silence. Many civilians think being in the Army is easy, but they forget that we often had to get up at "O dark thirty." It wasn't easy.

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  • cookie65December 31, 2012 - 8:24 am

    People keeping more of what they earn has not always been defined as government spending. A budget cut has not always been defined as a reduction in next years budget increase. Billing future generations for public sector pension deficits has not always been defined as stimulus. Giving billions to certain-to-fail alternative energy companies has not always been defined and shovel ready, unless you are refering to the taxpayer getting buried by the costs. The reason we need austerity is we have stimulated our way into bankruptcy. Removing water from one end of a pool and pouring it into the other end will not change the water level of the pool. We cannot tax and spend our way to prosperity. We cannot print and spend our way to prosperity. We cannot borrow and spend our way to prosperity. If we could obama could have run on his record for re-election.

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  • GOP web-pageDecember 31, 2012 - 8:46 am

    This makes good sense to me, but see below how the republicians spin it to their party members: President Obama on Monday proposed to limit the percentage of income that wealthy donors can write off for gifts to colleges and other charitable organizations as well as for other purposes, such as medical expenses and housing costs.The plan, which is included in the president's 2013 budget proposal, would limit the value of the itemized deduction to 28 percent for couples with incomes of $250,000 or more and individuals with incomes of $200,000, or more............. GOP verson: Incredibly, in this season of giving, President Obama is seeking to limit charitable deductions as part of the budget deal. Limiting charitable deductions for organizations, from the American Cancer Society to the Jewish League , this would jeopardize their good works if not the very existence of smaller charities. Don’t be confused as to why this White House is conducting a war on charities. This isn’t about the deficit. Plain and simple, big government doesn’t want the competition when it comes to people’s welfare.

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  • cookie65December 31, 2012 - 9:58 am

    Stimulus dollars at work. https://www.farmerclaims.gov//

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  • Paddy O'funitureDecember 31, 2012 - 12:38 pm

    James, I think the only "failed stimulus" you would ever recognize during the Obama administration was dropping your Viagra in the toilet. You wouldn't admit a failed Obama program if it bit you on the Richard. Are all of his overseas bombing campaigns stimulus too? In that department, I suppose he has been more successful than even Bush II, with double the number of countries bombed. Now THAT's stimulus! And more US soldiers have died under Obomba than Bush. So now we need bumper stickers that say "Obomba lied and even more died". Hmmm, not very catchy. I'll keep working on that bumper sticker thing.

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 1:28 pm

    Mr. O'furniture, had the President directed, in January 2009, that all forces were to immediately depart Iraq and Afghanistan you would have howled bloody murder ("He's cutting and running!!!!"). If you are unhappy with the military campaigns, I suggest your direct letters to the Joint Chiefs and the Secretary of Defense. They are the ones who direct the specifics of the war. And, how would you know about Viagra? Be careful, take too many and your thingee will explode. Then you would be collateral damage in the war on old guys who don't know enough about Viagra.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 1:48 pm

    You're missing the point James, which is to point out the glaring hypocrisy of the socialist lefties. It was your types who were "howling bloody murder" during the Bush admins about the "illegal wars", sporting bumper stickers saying "US OUT OF IRAQ" and "When Clinton Lied NO ONE DIED" (not true-he bombed more countries than even Obomba has-so far, that is) and calling Bush a war-monger. Now that your Peace Prize Prez is doing the bombing, the silence from the left is simply deafening. Is it only okay to bomb if you're a socialist? OR, if you've received a Nobel Peace Prize-that must be it! What gives here James? Honestly, is Obomba not also a war-monger by the standards of the left? "To be (a hypocrite), or not be. That is the question", dear James.

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 2:41 pm

    My Dear Paddy, I don't miss the point. The point is that you are unhappy with the conduct of the war because the president is Obama. Had what's his name been elected, you would be in full support of the war. Deal with it. Very few were howling bloody murder about the Bush war because, don't you remember, it was unpatriotic to complain about Bush's wars -- turn in your neighbor if they don't support the homeland, wear you little flag pin, and "support" the troops with a sticker on the back of your car. Public opinion about the war was put in the deep freeze. And, the term homeland, what patriotic Republican did that come from? I've lived overseas many times and I never wanted to come back to the "homeland." Sounds very much like the Fatherland (thank you Germany of the 1930s). And, please define specifically your term warmonger. Do you mean by warmonger the president who is attempting to get us out of the mess Bush started and encouraged? If so, then the president is a warmonger (poor word, come up with a better one).

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 2:49 pm

    According to TV news, the House will not schedule a vote this evening, so we're going over the fiscal cliff. Not to worry, all this business can be conducted in January.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 3:01 pm

    Shhesh! What does it take to get a little intellectual honesty around here? Your Peace Prize Prez is a lying bastard and a war-monger; no different than you accused Bush of being. And I have no doubt you cringe whenever this is pointed out, but you still won't admit to it. I think you'll all feel better if you do. C'mon James, confess to Father Paddy, "MY president is a lying bastard and war-monger". Oh, and the "what's his name" I supported in the election was very much opposed to the wars-Bush's AND Obomba's. Your Prez is the same war-monger you accused Bush of being; come now James, confession is good for the soul.

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 3:15 pm

    Mr. O'furniture, before we continue please give date and time when I called President Bush a lying bastard and a warmonger. Let me know, and if I said it I'll confess. Wait, I'm not a Catholic so confession may not be appropriate. I have, in the past, called him a war criminal but that doesn't rise to the level of lying bastard and warmonger.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 3:55 pm

    I'm not Catholic either James, but I'll hear your confession anyway when you're ready. (holding breath-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------whoooosh! Gave up) Lefties in general have been bashing Bush for his wars incessantly and relentlessly. Any war. All war. Please tell me, how is Obomba better than Bush WHEN: - Obomba Ordered escalated U.S. Military Strikes on Afghanistan. - Obomba Ordered continued U.S. Military Strikes on Iraq. - Obomba Ordered U.S. Military Strikes on Pakistan. - Obomba Ordered U.S. Military Strikes on Yemen. - Obomba Ordered U.S. Military Strikes on Libya. - Obomba backed "Day of Rage" in Egypt. - Obomba backed "Day of Rage" in Iran. - Obomba backed "Day of Rage" in Tunisia. - Obomba backed "Day of Rage" in Yemen. - Obomba backed "Day of Rage" in Bahrain. - Obomba backed rebels in Syria with US tax dollars Obomba has been FAR more active militarily in than Bush ever was. If Bush was a "war Criminal" as you call him, what do you call a man who has exceeded Bush's acts?..................................................................................................................(still waiting)............................

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  • rICHARDDecember 31, 2012 - 4:06 pm

    "MISSION ACOMPLISHED”

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  • DB SmithDecember 31, 2012 - 4:10 pm

    Something is very telling in the colonels posts at 2:41 PM. He says "I lived overseas many times and I never wanted to come back to the homeland" My question to him would be then what the friging hell are you doing here in my homeland? Why don't you get your liberal ass out of here and go somewhere where you might think it's better?

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  • EvelynDecember 31, 2012 - 4:15 pm

    DB, you're misunderstanding James when he uses the word "homeland" (which he put in ""s). But I'll allow him to clarify!

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 4:52 pm

    Mr. Smith, no I never wanted to come home to the "homeland." I wanted to come home. And, I did. I've lived in many foreign countries and none of them compare to the United States. I did notice how quickly you jumped at the chance to use the "love it or leave it" false talking point. It's not love it or leave it, it's love it or change it. Sigh, a little education would go a long way.

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 5:01 pm

    Paddy, I just said the other day that given that President Obama hasn't prosecuted Bush, et al., as required by federal and international law, it makes him an accessory after the fact in war crimes. I hope that someday both Bush, et al., and him are called to the bar of justice. As for the rest of your rant, you are such an angry person. I hope you don't blow a fuse causing your wiring to burn up.

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  • DB SmithDecember 31, 2012 - 5:02 pm

    OK lets make it simple for the simple. In your simplest of definitions for the simple, what is your definition of "homeland".

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 5:12 pm

    Mr. Smith, I don't use the term "homeland." I use our country or just home. The term "homeland" is a perversion generated to encourage a false feeling of nationalism rather than to describe our country. We got alone quite nicely before Bush with our country or just home. You use "homeland," I'll use my country or just home. See, we are both happy.

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  • Paddy OfurnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 5:13 pm

    James, I'm actually a very happy boy. And I'm grinning from ear to ear at the fact that you're backed solidly in a corner on this issue and have to resort to saying I'm angry. Not angry dear James, persistent. Obomba is every bit the war criminal that you say Bush was and you are either too much of an hypocrite, or you're too blind, to admit it. We're all watching and waiting James. And smiling ;^) Do the right thing you silly little man ;^)

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  • DB SmithDecember 31, 2012 - 5:30 pm

    Colonel, Webster Dictionary's #1 definition of "homeland" = native land. Sigh, a little more education might help.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 5:46 pm

    James is hiding in a corner at the moment DB. He's running from his Peace Prize Prez's reputation as a war-monger. Not sure when he'll be available for comment. :)

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 5:49 pm

    Mr. Smith, exactly, that is why it should be called "native land," not the nationalistic homeland. Did you sleep through Nation Naming 101? Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 5:50 pm

    Paddy, it only took me 3 minutes after your comment. Fast enough?

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 5:56 pm

    Paddy, we're going around in a circle. You say President Obama is a war criminal and I say he is an accessory after the fact in war crimes. Both are equally liable, and therefore there is no argument.

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  • RichardDecember 31, 2012 - 6:02 pm

    Smith/ Furniture: you just don’t get it and never will. My view of Bush’s War is similar to how I view the Vietnam War, for I lost friends and family in both to senseless slaughter, the result of spineless, gutless ignoramus politicians, bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., and their supporters like you who didn’t understand, and eventually, surrender to an enemy so primitive and incapable that conflicts remain an opprobrious blot in the minds of many who suffered it, and a disgraceful example of failed American political will and courage. Just thinking about Bushes War makes me sick and brings memories flooding into my mind even today, after half a lifetime, something both the Colonel and I remember all to well. We both saw intense combat and bloodshed on missions on the ground with Marine units and in the air. The Bush gutless administration, his bean-counting SecDefs, our manipulated media types, and too many cowards for the armed forces to carry caused a lost war that have left an intolerable blemish and caused untold pain and agony in our society and cost trillions. Bush’s War was a damned disaster, in my mind, a turning point in history after which the United States of America, and the societies involved, began sliding down a very slippery slope into insignificance and shame. President Obama’s strategy of limited engagements has merit; you just can’t see it and even if you could, would never understand. When I think of the Iraq War and how it has affected our family, I feel disgrace and regret, tears and remorse, flood my mind and conscience. May God-damn Bush who threw us into that conflict, and hopefully at least, make him know the crime he wrought. I would bring charges against him that coward and traitor, for it was only a game he was playing. The treasures he wasted, 164,000 + lives sacrificed, the forgotten, traumatized and broken men it left in the wake, and the ignominy that remains their legacy cannot be forgotten. It was not worth the costs, MISSION ACCOMPLISHRD. Damn you and your thoughtless criticisms, your the cry babies of our society, the wannsbes, the bottom of the gene pool. You lost the election, you lost your creditably and you lost your Tea party and if I could, I would take your guns away, there of no use in the hands of a coward. Mike 2

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 6:02 pm

    You're still not answering my question. I'll restate: If Bush was a war criminal, how is Obama NOT?

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  • RichardDecember 31, 2012 - 6:18 pm

    Piss-off you coward, there’s no augment here.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 6:27 pm

    Why Richard! Who let the Action Hero out of the box. Glad you could join us! We're having a ball watching James dance. Boy can he cut a rug! If you'd like to dance with him, maybe you could tackle the question.

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  • DB SmithDecember 31, 2012 - 6:43 pm

    Were we arguing? I think I do get though. You obviously had a bad experience and because you were there you now think that you can dictate to everyone else on how they should feel. I know plenty of Vets that were there and other places and their thoughts don't come close to yours especially your self pity. With that said I still thank you for your service Richard.

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  • EvelynDecember 31, 2012 - 6:50 pm

    Richard, I am terribly sorry that so many have suffered so much. What I hear you express is anguish, not self-pity.

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  • James E.December 31, 2012 - 7:15 pm

    Paddy, you are so typical -- thinking I'm dancing when you don't even know how to dance. OK, I'm off, have to get the fire going for New Years eve. Paddy, I'll have a glass of bubbly thinking of you and Mr. Smith -- my two Tea/Republican buddies.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureDecember 31, 2012 - 7:21 pm

    Richard, Obomba is the one on trial here, not you. Don't take it so personal. I'm just making the point that he's no better than Bush; a point no one can seem to dispute with any hard facts. Don't be offended on Obomba's behalf. If you're so angry about Bush's wars, why aren't you angry about Obomba's? After all, twice the number of our kids have died in Afghanistan under Obomba than under Bush. Seems it would be the same for you if you leave out the fact you voted for him.

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