Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Failure of civic leadership

EDITOR:

Thank you for paying tribute to Hangtown Haven, a noble, humane, campassionate and successful community for houseless people in Placerville. Effectively providing a safe, controlled, temporary home for people to rebuild their lives and secure jobs and permanent housing, the success of Hangtown Haven was finally overwhelmed by a stunning failure of civic leadership. Neither the El Dcrado County Board of Supervisors nor the Placervllle City Council could identify a location in their entire geography to support a successful community for homeless adults.

How can we complain about the issue of homelessness when we shut the door on a program that works? How can we claim to care about people when we tear up a viable community? Art Edwards deserves many thanks for leading and believing as do the people of Hangtown Haven for creating a home.

SUSAN HUNN
Pollock Pines

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  • kggDecember 09, 2013 - 9:30 am

    susan asks: "How can we complain about the issue of homelessness when we shut the door on a program that works? How can we claim to care about people when we tear up a viable community?" kgg writes: two good questions - answer is that we can't.

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  • John Q.December 09, 2013 - 11:39 am

    I guess one would have to identify what one was complaining about in regards to someone's homelessness. I don't quite understand Ms Hunn's statement in regards to tearing up a viable community. Art Edwards thank you for your many good deeds. I would hope that Ms Hunn understands that the Haven was not ever designed to be a home. That it was presented to the public to be a temporary shelter.

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  • my 2¢December 09, 2013 - 6:34 pm

    When I read the excuse for not attending the human services meeting not once but twice in a previous letter I found myself questioning the judgement of edwards and others he has led. I was at the city council meeting. I didn't have to be there either but I came to find out if it would affect me. It did.

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  • Dink LaneDecember 10, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    All the great leaders around the world have gathered in South Africa to honor a great man...... These same noble leaders.... hope you forget when they turned their backs on Mandela and left him in jail for 27 years..... ..... It's the same with the Great leaders of PLACERVILLE.... .... 20-30 years from now they will sit in the gallery of some ceremony and tell you how they worked so hard to help the homeless and needy....... but you can't find them right now.... they're hiding behind their shut doors....thinking up some sore of excuse that will fly 20 years from now... hoping people forget what they are doing today...

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 12:50 pm

    Dink, had Mandela been willing to renounce terrorism he would have been released much earlier.

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  • Jesus H ChristDecember 10, 2013 - 2:30 pm

    Mandela wasn't a terrorist. Would you call the French Resistance terrorists?

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  • Diamond DaveDecember 10, 2013 - 2:35 pm

    I don't recall the French Resistance ever putting tires around children's necks and setting them on fire....

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  • Dink LaneDecember 10, 2013 - 3:39 pm

    Where do you get this stuff?

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  • kggDecember 10, 2013 - 4:12 pm

    phil wrote: "Dink, had Mandela been willing to renounce terrorism he would have been released much earlier." kgg writes: nelson manadela was the same kind of "terrorist" as george washington and paul revere. all three were trying to overthrow an unjust government.

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  • kggDecember 10, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    diamond dave wrote: "I don't recall the French Resistance ever putting tires around children's necks and setting them on fire...." kgg writes: and the proof for this insane statement is ?

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  • Diamond DaveDecember 10, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    Never heard of Mandela necklaces? The families of many white farmers in South Africa have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/mandela-and-necklacing/

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 5:19 pm

    Kgg - I was not aware that Martha was necklacing British loyalists. Citation to establish the equivalence?

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  • kggDecember 10, 2013 - 5:22 pm

    phil asked: " I was not aware that Martha was necklacing British loyalists. Citation to establish the equivalence?" kgg asks: where is your proof that nelson mandela was involved in this?

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    kgg, the parallel that I drew was not between George and Nelson. It was between their wives. When you asserted equivalence between the two husbands I mused over whether George would have condemned Martha's abominations had Martha behaved as Winnie. My ridiculous attempt to construct a parallel is no more absurd than your equating Nelson to George. As far as Winnie's abominable activities are concerned they are easily discoverable. Nelson, to his credit, divorced her. But the wife's crimes spilled over onto the husband. Nelson was most certainly aware even while incarcerated that Winnie was behaving "poorly". He did not speak up.

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  • EvelynDecember 10, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    Phil: Throughout Nelson Mandela's incarceration it was illegal to quote him. The prohibition was absolute. No media would have dared. Therefore, any thoughts he may have had on his (then) wife's activities -- or any other matter -- could not have been made known.

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  • EvelynDecember 10, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    Phil: I was responding to this statement: Nelson was most certainly aware even while incarcerated that Winnie was behaving "poorly". He did not speak up. ********** My comment does not attempt or pretend to go further. I am not privy to the terms of his release from incarceration.

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  • Diamond DaveDecember 10, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    Never heard of Mandela necklaces? The families of the many white farmers in South Africa have.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/mandela-and-necklacing/

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  • Diamond DaveDecember 10, 2013 - 5:58 pm

    Never heard of Mandela necklaces? The families of the many white farmers in South Africa have.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

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  • kggDecember 10, 2013 - 6:42 pm

    diamond dave wrote: "Never heard of Mandela necklaces? The families of the many white farmers in South Africa have.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing" kgg writes: 1. wikipedia is your "source"? really? 2. for the purposes of discussion, let's pretend wikipedia is a legitimate source of information: this article does not mention nelson mandela personally being tied to any incident of necklacing. even if members of the africian national congress did this, that in no way indicts mandela.

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  • James E.December 10, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    Diamond Dave, now that you have brought a new truth standard to this site: 1. Provide the facts of Mandela's necklaces -- and, specifically how they are tied to Mandela with sworn statements to that fact. 2. Provide the name of every white farmer in South Africa who has been killed by this method, and again how they are tied to Mandela and proven in court. Given your new standard, Cookie is going to be put out of business. Now, to recap, this truth standard for every sentence in a comment must be made, except for those commentators who have limited band width. Dave, we await your facts.

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  • James E.December 10, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    Phil, your comment is filled with opinion. Under the new standard from Diamond Dave, you must go back and justify each sentence with facts. And, the facts cannot be Fox facts, they must be facts that a reasonable person will accept. So get busy.

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  • James E.December 10, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    Phil, you don't have time for the Snookums thing. Get busy on researching the facts of each sentence in your comment. Thank goodness I have limited bandwidth and therefore exempt from the madness of Diamond Dave.

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  • Diamond DaveDecember 10, 2013 - 7:08 pm

    James E. Do you ever have any facts of your own?. Who did your homework for you in high school?. As I told you earlier I only provide facts, as a liberal hack that disputes all facts, it's now your job to disprove them if you can by doing your own research. I know it sounds harsh making you do you own research, but even you working with your limited band width still have a perfectly good computer right in front of you to help you along just like everyone else does. Just think, once you've learned to do something for yourself, the whole world will be your oyster. You can even stay up as late as you need so, go ahead and start verifying now and get back to me ASAP.. I know you don't normally research anything for yourself so I'll make it a little easier for you by giving you link you can call just dismiss without reading. http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/mandela-and-necklacing/ P.S. OR, Maybe I should just save us both some time and go ahead and write your standard, predictable, liberal BS response for you back to everyone right now?

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    Evelyn, are you saying that Mr. Mandela was not offered freedom in exchange for his renunciation of terrorism and by implication the terrorism of Winnie?

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 7:18 pm

    James, is this adequate? - http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9711/s971128d.htm

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    Evelyn, it is asserted that Mandela was offered a release in exchange for a renunciation of terrorism. You seem to be saying that you are unaware of that offer, Are you in fact unaware of that offer?

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  • EvelynDecember 10, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    Phil: Please reference your claim.

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  • EvelynDecember 10, 2013 - 7:30 pm

    Perhaps THIS is what you mean. Yes, I did not know about it! Or if I once had, I had forgotten.

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  • EvelynDecember 10, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    . . . HOWEVER, we are speaking about his 1989 release. I do not know the terms.

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  • EvelynDecember 10, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    . . . wrong year. Mandela was released from prison February 11, 1990. HERE it says that on 10 February, 1985 Mandela rejected South African president P.W. Botha's offer of a conditional release.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    Mandela was released Feb. 11, 1990. But it was my understanding that he had been offered a release multiple times over the years preceding Feb. 11, 1990. I was seeking your substantiation of what I was asserting. It must not have been in the public domain or you certainly would have been in tune, Evelyn.

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  • James E.December 10, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Phil, no it is not adequate. According to Diamond Dave's standard you have to give the content of the referenced site and certification of its truthfulness. No more unproven comments are allowed.

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  • James E.December 10, 2013 - 7:26 pm

    Diamond Dave, no, you have to provide facts that are so factual that rebuttal is not necessary. Again, another comment that is filled with vague opinion. Get busy on the required facts. This is your standard and you must be held to it.

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  • Phil VeerkampDecember 10, 2013 - 7:35 pm

    Thank you! I was simply asking whether or not you could confirm from your own recollections. James, are Evelyn's personal recollections of any use?

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  • James E.December 10, 2013 - 7:39 pm

    Discounting the Diamond Dave crapola, I will always support Evelyn.

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