Comments on: Gun rant

By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:58:37 +0000

Language is everything. DON’T CALL IT gun control. Rather, talk about assault weapons. California Rep. Mike Thompson (D) says “A lot of times when you talk about gun control, you turn off more than half of your audience.” ********* http://tinyurl.com/b2lru4k

By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:44:08 +0000

A Russian writes, “Americans never give up your guns” – This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. . . . This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington’s clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot. ********** http://tinyurl.com/cgxdae2

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 14:52:20 +0000

Rich’s quote: “Good evening Evelyn, I guess I would question the accuracy of that number”. So, it’s that easy, is it Rich? The data doesn’t jive with your viewpoint so you throw it out? Very unscientific. These stats Evelyn mentioned are on the CDC’s website; http://www.cdc.gov. A government website which you wouldn’t think would be biased toward the gun lobby. If you refuse to acknowledge certifiable data that refutes your bias, your opinion can’t be worth much.

By: Jethro McSwift

Jethro McSwift — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:03:17 +0000

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By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 07:48:28 +0000

Rich: a repeat (in full) of my 10:43 am comment **********

Information for the discussion – COMPARE TEN BIG “KILLERS” IN THE U.S. (stats from FBI, CDC & Fed Gov) : • Tobacco use 529,000 • Medical errors 195,000 • Unintentional injuries 118,021 • Alcohol abuse 107,400 • Motor vehicle accidents 34,485 • Unintentional poisoning 31,758 • Drug abuse 25,500 • Unintentional falls 24,792 • Non-firearm homicides (knives, bats, hammers, poisons, etc) 16,799 • Firearm homicides 11,493

By: Rich

Rich — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:47:19 +0000

Good evening Evelyn, I guess I would question the accuracy of that number. Studies in the past have been criticized for the statistical handling of measurement errors in published reports for determining which deaths were “avoidable” or due to medical error. And an erroneous assumption that 100% of patients would have survived if optimal care had been provided. Gun deaths are mostly preventable by limiting the availability of guns

By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:06:21 +0000

Rich, have you read any of information provided in this thread about causes of death other than firearms? For example, what is your response to the fact that annual fatalities resulting from medical error are 17 times greater than those from firearms?

By: billzz

billzz — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:05:22 +0000

111 comments so far, so I might as well make it 112. It is a good strategic defense to announce a strategy that makes the “enemy” re-plan any course of action. So the announcement that all airline pilots will be armed is a good course of action. The reason is that the pilots may not be armed but the “enemy” does not know that, and so has to plan as though that were the situation.

The AR-15 (or M-16) was developed with the high velocity .223 round to get around the Geneva Convention which prohibited “dum-dum” or hollow point projectiles against enemies in combat. The “full-metal jacket” was meant to stay whole and not disintegrate in the human body, but go straight through. The .223 tumbles when it hits and explodes the victim. I was present, at Fort Benning, Georgia when Colt demonstrated the M-16 versus the Garand M-1 (the standard at the time.) They put out a bunch of #10 cans of tomatoes and fired the M-1. The bullet went straight through, and the two holes bled tomato juice. They fired the M-16 and the cans exploded. And that is why the ordinary civilian should not have an AR-15. The gun is also built for automatic fire, which means, even if the sear spring is replaced with one that only allows semi-automatic fire, one can pull the trigger, one after another, and the gun will not overheat. So it is the same as having a full automatic. And if one knew something one could easily convert it to full automatic anyway. The old “elephant gun” was a Weatherby Mark V, an old bolt-action rifle that only did one round at a time – and the boast was that a good hunter only needed one round.

Anyway, I qualified expert with most army weapons, even qualified for the Olympics, and ran many ranges including the Eighth US Army / Republic of Korea pistol matches. I am fully on the side of people having arms, but I am fully on the side of banning military weapons, military magazines, and clips, and even military ammo.

As an aside the Department of Homeland Security is ordering many thousands of hollow-point bullets. I guess the Geneva Convention only applies to foreign soldiers and not to Americans.

By: Rich

Rich — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:57:10 +0000

I fear that us old-fashioned gun owners are rapidly being replaced in our nation by real as can be, “gun fanatics.” Growing up our reasons for owning guns were at one time honorable. Some wanted them for sport and many like my dad and brother wanted them for personal protection as police officers, some for display, economic reasons and collections. But nowadays guns sales have been higher than ever do to greed and marketing skills of the manufactories, encouraged by the disgruntled GOP and greased by millions in political campaign donations brokered by the nra, simply by suggesting that someone else doesn’t want them to have guns, childish but effective. I’m very happy to have my guns, while gun fanatics dont seem to be happy unless telling someone about their guns or waving them in someone’s frightened face. I proudly tell my daughters the stories behind the weapons passed down from my great grand father, my dads service revolver, my Vietnam 45, all handed down through the generations. Modern gun fanatics use every means possible to inform all using every available podium, “they’ll get my gun when they pry it from my dead hands or the classic, over my dead body.” all the time using the second amendment to defend their actions and statements. In reality the only thing that’s happening is hundreds of millions in gun sales to the delight of the manufactories. We all know how the rhetoric goes — and many of us who treasure our guns for those mostly forgotten reasons, cringe every time someone starts warning us about out tyrannical government or pending collapse. Gun fanatics often make themselves look silly without making much of an argument at all. I think the only solutions is to tax, license, insist on annual medical reviews of all gun owners, list of all multiply gun owners, which isn’t currently done and remove assault weapons capability of 10 or more rounds without reloading. This way law enforcement will have the opportunity, and means to defend themselves and the general public.

By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:49:46 +0000

Gentlemen!!!

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:27:54 +0000

Seriously? You can’t use the bio-term for a man’s unit here? What did this paper for news do during the Clinton Administration?

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:23:06 +0000

Paddy, I should have used the word wang or wanger. Wang or wanger are probably not on the naughty word list.

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:21:14 +0000

No, I cannot rewrite the Little Big Horn comment.
It was long and the second draft never matches the first draft. Just a shame that the p word would cause it to disappear. Hey, Mt.Democrat, every man has one, but I guess the word made you blush.
Sad. I know this is a family newspaper, but even fourth graders learn the word in their health class. Maybe it’s the adults who cannot take the word?

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:17:28 +0000

Yeah, I reckon an arrow in your wang would indeed get your attention-in this life or any other.

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:48:43 +0000

Paddy, thanks for refreshing my memory, I had no recall. But, reading it now it doesn’t advocate pro or con 2nd Amendment. Just noting that this guy developed a mean looking .50 cal sniper rifle and that I couldn’t see how one would be needed in civilian life unless one hunts elephant.
Now, more important, I just finished an elaborate comment concerning Cookie and the Little Big Horn. It has disappeared and apparently has been deleted by the Mt.Democrat naughty word person. Thinking back on it I know my error — I used the legal term for —– cannot say it or this one will disappear too. Let me try to recall the sentence. “Custer’s body was the only one not mutilated — he had a wound in the side of his chest and a bullet wound to his head just above the ear. However, the Indian women stuck an arrow into his p—-. They said this was to get his attention in the after life.”
I have long been a student of the Battle of the Little Big Horn, known by the Indians as the Battle of the Greasy Grass. I regret the Mt.Democrat readers cannot be exposed to the p word, as my comment was most informative to those not aware of the details of the battle.

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:37:16 +0000

Cookie, the Battle of the Little Big Horn, or as the Indians called it the Battle of the Greasy Grass. I am quite interested in Custer who went looking for a fight and found one. Have studied it and walked the terrain at the Little Big Horn. Thinking he could spook the Indians who would withdraw while he had his way with the women and children, he was fatally wrong. Reno’s attack was to get the Indian braves to run while Custer went around the back to decimate the women and children (He’s quite the military hero). The Indians said the battle was over in about the time it took to eat lunch (not the three hour lunches I enjoyed in DC). And, the Indians also claimed that about 90% of those remaining in Custer’s group committed suicide rather than be captured — the Indians didn’t say this until 40 years after the event because they didn’t think massive suicide would set well with the white man. They considered it very dishonorable. Custer’s body was found with a wound to the side of his chest and a bullet in his head above the ear. His was the only body not mutilated except for what the Indian women did to him — inserting an arrow into his penis — the Indian women said this was done to get his attention in the afterlife. While it doesn’t seem possible, one had to remember the greatest fear was being captured by the Indians and tortured to death. The saying was “save the last bullet for yourself.” The military moral here is to take care not to attack an overwhelming force with only around 220 men.
Custer is buried at West Point under a most elaborate tombstone. Last man in his graduating class, first to make Brigadier General, and the only one to return to West Point under such an elaborate tombstone. Many West Pointers have returned to be buried there, but none with such an elaborate tombstone.

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:33:10 +0000

Found it;;;James E.December 21, 2012 – 5:09 pm

I note that a Mr. Ronnie Barrett has developed a .50 cal sniper rifle which is available for sale in the civilian market. It is one mean looking weapon — in Vietnam, I fired the .50 off the top of tanks and it put out maximum fire power. Except for hunting elephant (who would kill such a magnificent animal?), or killing enemy soldiers I cannot imagine a need for a .50 cal sniper rifle in civilian life.

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:29:38 +0000

Sorry James. My mistake. Could have sworn it was you. I tried to search and find it but contents of these threads don’t seem to register on a search. You still get points for your stance on home defense.

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:27:40 +0000

“…but the action of these few wannbes reflects poorly on America’s gun-carrying community as a whole”. So Rich, in your opinion, what would reflect well on gun owners? If we just handed them in? What would make you happy?

By: James E.

James E. — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:10:55 +0000

Paddy, I don’t know who Ronnie Barrett is so I couldn’t have mentioned him. Has to be someone else. I do support the Second Amendment for home defense. I also recognize that some people are hunters and should be armed appropriately (I am not a hunter, as I don’t need the food or enjoy the hunt when not needed for food). I have only one pistol, haven’t fired it in 20 years and hope to never have to fire it, unless some crazed nut decides to visit at 3AM. No fancy head or leg shots, just center of mass. And, as I have said previously I don’t know the answer to the current 2nd Amendment debate, so I won’t be contributing. Somewhere there is balance, but I don’t know where it is.

By: Rich

Rich — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 01:50:20 +0000

(.223) It seems thousands of people, I would guess many in El Dorado County; believe President Obama, being the liberal gun-hating Democrat that he is, plans to bring gun sales to a halt this year. They’re determined to stock up before Obama can cut them off. I don’t know if that’s funny or sad, but the action of these few wannbes reflects poorly on America’s gun-carrying community as a whole.

By: Foamie Mouth®

Foamie Mouth® — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 01:46:59 +0000

splutter splutter .. a nonexistent tyrannical government .. splutter splutter .. The SAME Unaccountable Government Agency Which Spies on All Americans Also Decides Who Gets Assassinated by Drones .. splutter splutter ..good luck Rich, now we know you’re not paying attention .. splutter splutter close the shutter

By: Rich

Rich — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 01:28:33 +0000

The .2223-caliber Bush-master Semi auto assault rifle, like Steers claims to own for hunting, was used in the Newtown school massacre and is the same weapon used in the Washington, DC area sniper shootings that left 10 dead and three injured. Bushmaster once promoted the rifle in a magazine ad that showed the menacing weapon under the words; ‘CONSIDER YOUR MAN CARD REISSUED’. As a weapon it rates very poorly among the US infantry as those of us who were forced to use it for years learned, but the gun manufactures found locative market in the US among the wannabe population preparing to fight a nonexistent tyrannical government.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:53:16 +0000

Rich you are sounding like Thurstan Howell III. (New Money). “Lovey this Ken character sounds as if he’s of new money”. Only not as intelligent and a whole lot crazier.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:49:55 +0000

Rich, I’m born and raised Californian, proud of it. I never gave the Republican Party 30K. How much have you given the Democrat Socialist party? I really don’t care. You claim you family has a history in law enforcement. So do I. That still doesn’t make you educated to our laws. But alas You are a Democrat Socialist so you control our state entirely. Have A ball with that.

By: Foamie Mouth®

Foamie Mouth® — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:46:14 +0000

New money is not just any old money.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:39:23 +0000

Do you want to compare pedigrees, status, Philanthropic contributions, education or penis sizes? You go first dumb***

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:35:27 +0000

What is new money?

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:34:23 +0000

Rich what is your Alma mater?

By: Rich

Rich — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:23:01 +0000

Steers, being third generation of law enforcement, military and more as land owners in California, I agree, “ we speak about subjects we do not know or understand.” Gun storage is common sense for most, when your paranoid it’s a little harder to understand. Your concept that “everyone should possess a fire arm in one’s house hold with easy access for personal defense,” why’ll it gives kind of a warm a fuzzy feeling when said aloud its not sensible, guns are not for everyone. As for my star children, seems I recall someone named Steers giving 30k to the losing republican tea party and nothing to my old alma-mater where your son attends, says a lot about a person of means, its obvious your new money.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:26:43 +0000

Rich you speak about subjects you do not know or understand. Read Kamala Harris’s site regarding gun storage. You are trying to “boil the frog” a little too quickly. One can and should possess a fire arm in one’s house hold with easy access for personal defense. I believe that it should be mandatory that every home owner who is sane person, don’t worry Richard, you and you “star children”, would be disqualified, be required to own a fire arm for home protection.

By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:59:30 +0000

THERE’S ONE THING BOTH SIDES IN THE GUN CONTROL DEBATE CAN AGREE ON:
“The federal government has recently purchased hundreds of millions of rounds of hollow point ammunition for use within the United States. (And purchases are allegedly ongoing.)
Senators Dianne Feinstein and Harry Reid have carried concealed weapons to protect themselves.
And the newspaper which published the names and addresses of gun owners has itself hired armed guards to protect it.
So folks within government who are advocating gun control are only advocating that the American people be disarmed.
Liberals tend to trust government more than conservatives … but with the merger of state and big corporations, that distinction has lost real meaning.
But let’s all be honest about one issue … and admit that we are being asked to trust our government – working hand in glove with the big banks – as they arm themselves to the teeth.” ********** http://tinyurl.com/b85emmy

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:48:18 +0000

Oh, and James, you asked for a citation of you supporting the 2nd amendment; a while back, you mentioned Ronnie Barrett in a post (neutrally, I think). Just the mention of this legend in firearms development and manufacturing would lead anyone to think you might be just a little 2A supportive? Of course, most of what he sells is not the GenPub, so maybe not.

By: Rich

Rich — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:45:53 +0000

Yes indeed, our Republican controlled El Dorado County BOS did just that with a lot of the funding in 2001-12 budget. As for the ink-gland”, ( inkus pineal gland) also called the addictive, whatstobeheardgland, or the “forth eye,” is a small endocrine gland in the vertebrate brain. It produces the ink, a derivative resulting in a desire to own a gun and constant bashing of the federal government which affects the modulation of wake/sleep patterns and common sense functions. Its shape resembles a tiny pine-cone hence its name), and it is located near the centre of the brain, between the two hemispheres in a groove that only republicans have, near where the two rounded thalamic bodies join some where between religion and gun control. As for, “home protection device i.e. pistol or shotgun only needs to be locked up to avoid access to children. If children are grown then not an issue.” Maybe you should have read your post before sending it, that’s really a stupid statement, guns should be secured all the time when not attended, common sense.

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:19:07 +0000

The new potus seal.
http://www.parkplaque.com/

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:04:46 +0000

We could be pals James, variety is the spice of life. I have many relatives long gone who shared with me some military stories way beyond which kind of salute to use depending which cover you are wearing. From driving a tank for Patton, the liberation of the phillipines, the skipper of a pt boat, ditching 3 PBY’s in the pacific, and even iwo jima. First hand accounts. My family name is even on the monument at little bighorn. There is plenty we could find to talk about.

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:02:55 +0000

“Ink gland”…now that’s funny, right there…

By: Paddy O'furniture

Paddy O'furniture — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:00:43 +0000

According to FBI data, hammers and clubs are used to kill more people than rifles (including the dreaded “assault rifle”). So would the gun-phobes in the crowd be happy if we banned handguns and left the rifles alone? If you want the rifles too, maybe we should just go ahead and ban clubs and hammers too. Or at least do background checks, and then only sell them to licensed contractors. I mean, who NEEDS a Vaughan 24 oz Framing Hammer? Seriously, where does a proposed gun ban begin and end end…….?

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:50:59 +0000

Reading Rich, it is becoming clear that it just might be best he doesn’t have access to a firearm. I feel I should be allowed to have a say regarding the mental health issue considering I pay a “special tax” just for this particular reason. Alas the Progressives now place these monies in the general fund instead of what we voted for. Phil do you have some ink gland that I’m not privy to? Also FYI, a home protection device i.e. pistol or shotgun only needs to be locked up to avoid access to children. If children are grown then not an issue.

By: James E.

James E. — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:47:56 +0000

Cookie, again, you must be talking about someone else reference using military experience to comment on the Second Amendment. I’m thinking that the Second Amendment has nothing to do with the Regular Army/Marines/Air Force, so why would would you include me in that group? No need to answer, but if you are a woman let’s never get married.

By: James E.

James E. — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:42:21 +0000

Cookie, so your comment wasn’t directed towards me. In that case I withdraw my comments (except for the sugar/salt orange juice story — I know you enjoyed that one). Let’s be pals. Am I the sun around which you rotate? Think about it, if we become pals, I’ll let you be the sun sometimes.

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:39:54 +0000

James, I had no objection to anything you had said. I hadn’t read anything you said. I commented on the writer of the letter attempting to use military experience as some way of giving their opinion more credibility and you brought me into your own persona grief about it making all kinds of accusations when my only point is the writers military experience, good, bad or indifferent has nothing to do with the intentions of the second amendment. Get over it. If you want to use military experience as qualification for having an opinion on the 2nd amendment you may want to direct your limitation at the Whitehouse.

By: Rich

Rich — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:37:22 +0000

Veerkamp, you’ve learned little, if anything, from the killings. I do agree with you, “we’ve learned that if we have a person who needs to be institutionalized do it,” put them in one of those public health care programs that you and your ink fight so hard against. How you determine they need to be committed? I guess you would need to use other public services like legal aid and mental health programs, again those dam give away programs you and your ink fight so hard against. “Prior to doing it secure your guns.” I thought all of you well trained conscious nra gun owners follow the law and would already have your guns secured. “Don’t ask the person,” this is good advice. “Don’t threaten the person,” also good advice. Don’t tell. Just do it,” again good advice if your guns aren’t already secure, may save your life should the occasion accrue. Would it not be easier and safer for you and your family to just get rid of the guns, your hunting days are over anyway, just get rid of the damn things, set the example for your family, friends and community. And Veerkamp, if the feds do attack you can always have that screw-ball Riordan make you a gun, what a mush-brain for being such a successful guy.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:23:44 +0000

I have to bite my tongue while typing. I can’t help but visualize a pin up poster of one of you two, “Shawshank Redemption”, on a prison wall while some poor convicted sole lie in his prison cell. It’s obvious that someone is smitten.

By: Ken Steers

Ken Steers — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:16:14 +0000

Cookie and Evelyn, an interesting fact regarding gang related murder in our country. Very hard to find, for 2010 roughly 1200 murders nationally. Great Britain? Very strict gun controls. You can’t even fly via Heathrow London airport to points beyond with your checked in firearms. 16000 gang related murders reported. Whew! Just think how many it would be if they didn’t have all those strict gun laws?

By: Evelyn

Evelyn — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:06:32 +0000

You're probably right about that cookie, but nevertheless we absolutely must not stop using facts. Medical errors cause 17x more deaths annually than firearms. That elicits a number of logical follow on statements, but I'll refrain.

By: James E.

James E. — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:01:44 +0000

Cookie, I didn’t peel potatoes — they had a potato peeling machine. So, you objected because my military responses to Phil had nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment? Did I imply that they did? Did Phil? No, of course not, just your diversion away from your military envy. ADDED: Please cite any of 2nd Amendment comments, pro or con. Cannot find them, can you? Because I previously said I don’t know the answer, so why would I join in the running 2nd Amendment comments? Tell me again you respect my military service, but you really don’t.

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:53:12 +0000

Evelyn, I appreciate your effort to post this information and it is very important to any discussion. But you should know by now that the people who want to use any means necessary to disarm American citizens are not interested in facts.

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:48:53 +0000

56, living in your head rent-free…. you should know there is room in there for a racetrack.

By: cookie65

cookie65 — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:45:17 +0000

James, lots of people have been pearl divers or pealed potato’s like Bettle Baily. It has nothing to do with the intention of the 2nd amendment.