Friday, April 18, 2014
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Gun tutorial unnecessary

EDITOR:

Edgar Brown, in the Jan. 9 edition, has (as have others) given me a short lesson on what is, and is not, an assault weapon. Mr. Brown, do I have to know the chemical composition of street drugs to have an opinion on them? I’ve never seen an assault weapon. I’ve never been in a gun shop and I don’t intend to visit one. And, yet, I know that there are currently legal weapons that are designed specifically to kill people as efficiently as possible; i.e., the most in the least amount of time. I see no reason for these weapons to be legal. There are a lot of guns available that should suffice, in a sane society, for protection and sport.

The greater our population, the less freedom we have. Our laws must keep up with technology and an increasing population even though each law whittles away a little bit of our freedom.

OK, private and public schools do have, or could have, armed guards. But day care centers, etc. do not. If having armed guards is all the NRA can suggest to prevent another massacre, then a person intent on killing children, let’s say, has many options. What about the one who’s angry at old folks? Co-workers? A particular race? I wonder just where the armed guard solution would take us.

So, you hunt with a semi-automatic rifle that has five, 10, and 20-round magazines. But the law limits you to the five-round. Why do you need the higher capacity? Are you hoping the law will someday allow you to use the 20-round magazine on a deer?

SYLVIA MEDLEY
El Dorado

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  • DeeJanuary 14, 2013 - 10:54 am

    Srlvia, "The greater our population, the less freedom we have. Our laws must keep up with technology and an increasing population even though each law whittles away a little bit of our freedom." That is one of the scariest comments I have ever read in the Mt.Democrat. They are taking a"little bit of our freedom" everyday and soon we will have none and that is perfectly fine with you. Scary!

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 14, 2013 - 11:52 am

    Yep, that comment was the one that got my attention too, Dee. So all they have to do is keep passing laws until we have no freedoms left at all? What right do you have to question what I need Sylvia? Let's take a look at your life and see what I think you don't need. By your standard all I have to do is feel your particular interest is both dangerous and unnecessary and I then have the right to determine you shouldn't have it? Do you drink wine? Many people do, and keep dozens and dozens of bottles of it, and even have special rooms or cabinets built in their homes to store it all. Why do they need all that wine? Why can't the government pass "wine control" legislation that limits the kind, alcohol content, and amount of wine people can have? You're already scoffing at me saying "guns are more dangerous than wine, you dolt". Are they though? The number of people killed by alcohol related causes versus guns are 10 to 1. According to your ideology, we should be limiting people's ability to buy and drink wine simply because "they don't need it". This used to be America, "Land of the Free", remember?

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 15, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    Dee and Paddy: when you 2 have stopped having a cow, maybe you'll think about it a little. What I said is not a new concept, it's the way it is. People are too often stupid, careless or mean. Just how much freedom do you want the other guy to have? I bet you 2 would scream the loudest if someone trespassed on your property or rear-ended you. How about your kid finding a porn website or your spouse being sexually harassed at work? Get it? And Paddy, we already have laws governing alcohol; a lot more than we have for guns.

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  • I guess we know where the Sheriff stands on gun control!January 16, 2013 - 4:53 am

    (Mt Democrat): The National Rifle Association has officially endorsed John dÕAgostini for El Dorado County sheriff.

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  • RayJanuary 16, 2013 - 5:26 am

    Thomas Jefferson said it best: "When governments fear the people, there is liberty," reads the quotation. "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

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  • Chuck HollandJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:19 am

    Sylvia, one of the advantages of living in a free society is that we can make our own choices and decisions individually. Not one pro firearm advocate that i know have suggested that you own a firearm, visit gun stores etc. So why do you believe their rights should be trampled down to your way of life? Imagine for a moment where our country would be if firearms didn't exist at all. Its a proven fact that firearm ownership reduces and or deters crime. Take Kennesaw Georgia for example, in 1982 the city passed an ordinance requiring gun ownership. "In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore". ( the obvious exception apply, mental issues, religious prohibitions, felons, etc.) A study shows between 1982 and 2005 the crime rate has decreased by 50%. Kennesaw isn't some back woods peach picker town in Georgia, it's a city in the greater metropolitan area of Atlanta with a median family income of $75k. In 2007 Kennesaw was selected by Family Circle Magazine as one of the 10 best cities to live in. Point being, there are positive reasons for firearm ownership in America, and God forbid something bad occur, but if it does just pray your neighbors don't share your beliefs.

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:07 am

    Sylia, it is anatomically impossible for either Paddy or me to have a cow. You apparently are fine with the government punishing people who are not breaking the law but merely owning a product that is a protected right under the Second Amendment. But what I find most distrubing that you are content losing your freedom. That attitude is downright frightening to people who value their freedoms and want their children to experience that freedom. Where do you want to stop the loss of freedom?

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 16, 2013 - 10:51 am

    To the no-name coward who is upset that the NRA endorsed our Sheriff, I say get over it idiot. Our Sheriff is the one person in our County who is always there to protect you and you don't like it? No wonder you didn't use your name. Frankly I am proud that the largest gun owners' organization in the US and perhaps the world thinks he is the right man for the job. Perhaps you love Obama the "elitist snob" who just signed 23 new anti-gun laws. As poorly as he is "managing" (or mangling) this Country, or worse, playing dictator with "executive orders" and running circles around the Constitution perhaps he thinks he has reason to fear guns. Meanwhile, if you think outlawing a specific firearm will stop senseless killing, go visit www.sportsmansguide.com where anyone can "build" whatever they want, piece by piece. To Sylvia Medley, Your statement "The greater our population, the less freedom we have. Our laws must keep up with technology and an increasing population even though each law whittles away a little bit of our freedom." WHAT?? That is the most stupid statement I have ever heard from anyone living in a free country. It is people like you who will help make it less free. Just remember, when freedom, stops rebellion begins.

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 16, 2013 - 10:54 am

    Chuck and Dee: You don't get the simple fact that no one, including me, is saying that people should not have the right to "bear arms" or have as many guns as they can afford or that the government is going to punish people for doing what is their god-given 2nd Amendment right! These arguments are hogwash. What I have said is that assault weapons serve no purpose except to kill as many people as fast as possible and are, therefore, part of the problem we have with gun violence, specifically massacres, in our county. That's my point, has been my point, will be my point. It's simple, reasonable and sane.

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  • Sid FranklinJanuary 16, 2013 - 11:12 am

    Sylvia- thank you for your thoughtful letter. The usual nut cases respond with the usual NRA talking points. These people fantasize about the coming dictatorship, forgetting that we can vote people out of office in the US. Like all apocalypse aficionados, they will never change their opinion. The end is always near. They are so absolutely certain that this time it is for real. Remember the Agenda 21 hysteria? I pity these small, scared, delusional folks, but I take heart that America has clearly rejected their paranoid fantasies.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 16, 2013 - 11:21 am

    Sylvia, so your issue is with "assault rifles", (the scary looking semi-automatic, the most common of which is the AR15)? Of all the gun homicides that occurred last year, do you know how many were committed with rifles (versus handguns)? 3.5 %. Three and a half percent. And that's ALL rifles. And of that 3.5 percent, only a portion (generously, maybe half) were with what you call "assault rifles", AR15s. B. Hussein Obama and Mario Cuomo are now targeting "assault rifles", which are used in about 1-2% of gun homicides. Way to be relevant. Way to be "on target". (The stats are from the FBI's own 2011 data)

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 11:27 am

    Sylvia, No you are wrong. What concerns me about your letter is, "The greater our population, the less freedom we have. Our laws must keep up with technology and an increasing population even though each law whittles away a little bit of our freedom." These are your words that indicate that you realize our freedoms are being curtailed and not only is this acceptable to you, it is perferable to the freedoms that we enjoy. Your excuse is higher population and greater technology requires loss of freedom. Sylvia, that state of mind of any citizen is scary.

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 16, 2013 - 11:40 am

    Mr. Franklin, thanks for using your real name , if it is. I am no "apocalypse aficionado" and neither am I "small, scared,or delusional". Of course when you talk about "scared and delusional" lets not leave out YOUR president who is trying to push through legislation to "have the Secret Service provide protection for every president, their wives and all of their children FOR LIFE". So I guess he is the poster child for "scared and delusional". He doesn't want you to own a gun if he had his way, yet he wants us taxpayers to provide armed guards for his whole fam damily. I for one don't want to pay a penny toward that. Let him protect him and his with a baseball bat. Of course if he had actually served his country he would at least know HOW to use a gun to protect his own family. But he does not know how to serve, just TAKE.

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 16, 2013 - 11:55 am

    This just in from NRA http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/15/nra-airs-new-tv-ad-criticizing-obama-on-eve-of-white-house-gun-announcement/?hpt=hp_t1 Please lets not forget that one of chief hypocritical snobs, Feinstein, pushed anti gun laws in San Francisco when she was Mayor yet she somehow aquired a CCW which she still allegedly has today. Don't know if she could hit her Butt with both hands but hey, I guess its ok for her, just not anyone else.

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 16, 2013 - 12:04 pm

    oops . . .I meant "acquired" . . . . but you can substitute "got", "demanded" "called in favors for" , etc.

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  • Jack MartinJanuary 16, 2013 - 12:50 pm

    Sylvia confesses zero experience, knowledge or interest in firearms and yet.... deems herself worthy to offer this very polarizing opinion of same: " I see no reason for these weapons to be legal. There are a lot of guns available that should suffice, in a sane society, for protection and sport." The reason you "see" no need or value in semi-automatic weapons, Sylvia is contained in the ignorance expressed in your limiting gun use to personal protection or sport. The 2nd Amendment is not about either of those. It is specifically about arming the people so that they may, if necessary, confront a tyrannical government. This is a fundamental issue, just as important as freedom of speech. So educate yourself on the issue before pontificating to other Americans what we should or should not tolerate with respect to it being "infringed."

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 16, 2013 - 1:12 pm

    I have to pick up my new Kimber 1911 45 ACP today at Newtown but can't pay for it because B of A won't allow gun purchases on their credit cards. I won't cancel the cards because doing so dinks your credit rating. I just might warrent another 10 day cooling off period...

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 16, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    Ken, I just hopped on ixquick, a secure search engine and it appears BofA may be waffling on this . I listened to the video of an irate lady telling a B0fA phone person that they, "BofA no regulatory powers , nor were they going to dictate how she spends HER money" . . . another post said BofA is "rethinking" their position . . If it were I, I would call BofA and tell them that I want to pay for my Kimber today with my BofA card, or I would demand a formal letter from them stating that my credit history is perfect and that I canceled this card because of their refusal to honor my wishes to purchase a perfectly legal product." Otherwise, I would change banks in a hot second just on principle or (forgive me "principal"). Thankfully my Bank does not have its head up its . . . . .

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 16, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    It's interesting to see how it all winds up.

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  • Jeff-PlacervilleJanuary 16, 2013 - 3:04 pm

    Same suspects, same extremist views: I think my next mission is to demand that the NRA not be allowed to use the El Dorado County Fair Grounds for fund raisers and gun show who’s only purpose is to sell more guns.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 16, 2013 - 4:13 pm

    Curious what other missions you've been on Jeff. I didn't get any messages today from your FBI friend Agent Brown so maybe i'm off the hook huh? If you seriously thought that someone threatened the president then a good citizen may just call the hot line and report it and leave it at that. They would not tout about knowing someone in the FBI and then tattletale about it publicly. Your a braggart and kiss*$$ tattletale of which I cannot stand either. The gun shows at the fair grounds are a fun event so just stay away chump!

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  • Jeff-PlacervilleJanuary 16, 2013 - 4:37 pm

    Smith, your assumptions mean nothing, yesterday you lied and were exposed. The question of should or should not the NRA use government facilities to sell guns will be the discussion of meetings with the California State Fair Association hopefully by the second week of February. Comment from local Fair Assoc. Board member, “its worthy of discussion.”

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  • DB SmithJanuary 16, 2013 - 5:09 pm

    Jeff, I absolutely did not lie and don't call me a liar again unless you want to back it up and without any help from your supposed FBI friend. I wonder what Agent Brown would think about some braggart dodo friend touting his name around town?

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  • Jeff-PlacervilleJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    Smith, there is no Agent Jackson locally. The name Jackson appears on the first information bar if you goggle FBI. But it’s not an agents name, but that of a criminal; you also suggested a relationship with this agent.Do you deny this now? Federal Agencies take threats very seriously as I do, you maybe should re-consider who you associate with. I can’t imagine you’re a teacher, like you infer, anywhere in California.

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  • NRA thinking?January 16, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    NRA web site: Amazing New Report Reveals how to keep guns ready but hidden from thieves, bandits &-if need be - even Uncle Sam; Protect Your 2nd Amendment Rights to hid your guns. Just $7 gets you instant digital access so you can start perfecting your strategies.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    Jeff, if you just keep making stuff up as you go along your going to run into some serious trouble one of these days. Remember that your the blow-hard braggart that has tarnished FBI Agent Brown's reputation just by association to you. I never once inferred that I was a teacher of anything.

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  • EvelynJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    Someone has appointed himself keeper of the kingdom, with the power to DEMAND and/or REPORT. Jeff, what particular types of offenses are you surveilling for? I'm reminded of private pilot Robin Fleming in South Carolina who was nearly shot down for violating a "Secret No-Fly Zone". Despite the fact that he had done nothing wrong, Fleming was handcuffed, charged with “breach of peace,” and held for more than 24 hours before being interrogated by FBI and Homeland Security officials. You can read about it HERE.

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  • Jeff-PlacervilleJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Signs of mental illness among those who claim to own guns.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:50 pm

    Now what kind of remark was that Jeff? Man, your a persistent little booger. Be well ~

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  • EvelynJanuary 16, 2013 - 6:55 pm

    "claim"???????? As opposed to those who really DO?

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    Jeff, you certainly have no problem in limiting the rights of citizens who believe in the 2nd Admendment. Instead of using facts and persuasion you are threatening Federal prosecution and interefering with the 1st Admendment rights of those who oppose you. The NRA is a legal organization who has every right to use government facilaties. Phil did not threaten the President put complimented his use of PR. I am not a gun owner but I believe in the 2nd Admendment and will not allow anyone, no matter how nasty, to stop me from defending it. Oh, I hope you realize by falsely reporting a crime you open yourself up for civil and criminal action. So try to tone it down bit, will you?

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  • Among women.January 16, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    New York Times: "Cyberbullying growing among adult women."

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    Jeff, good evening. I'm just checking in. You may be comforted to know that I slept quite well last night. My appetite is normal. There were no visits from the SS, FBI or the County Mounties. I won $200 at Redhawk today. Carma is still with me. Pi$$ off, Jeff.

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  • EvelynJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    Dee, the really nifty situation "Jeff" finds himself in that anonymous "tips" are allowed/encouraged. The right to know and face one's accusers has become theoretical, at best. Who knows how many "Jeffs" there are around? It's sobering to note that in the former East Germany estimates of the total number of informers have been estimated to have been as high as one per every 6.5 citizens. What are we choosing as the model for our own country?

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:20 pm

    Evelyn - The number of "Jeffs" is too numerous to count. All we can do is stand up to them, the little cowards. Oh,is Among Women referring to us. If so, I'll take it as a compliment since I'm usual called a goody two shoes.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:22 pm

    LINK - Three Home Invasions Stopped Because of Guns

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  • Jeff-PlacervilleJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:23 pm

    Cute Phil. I think Dee is just bearing her claws in insecurity, it’s been a difficult day for second amendment purist. Veerkamps veiled threat within the context of a discussion about guns is exactly the kind of warning sign a professional would be looking for. I didn’t think it was nasty but just factual. The NRA maybe a legal organization but its function and credibility are questionable, I think time will show. The best case for not letting the NRA sell guns at government facilities comes right out of the ATF files which states, "consistently across our nation two in every five guns sold at these events were done so illegally.” I have every right to petition the State of California to refuse they request to use Government facilities.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 16, 2013 - 8:55 pm

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/us/oregon-sheriff-gun-laws/index.html (CNN) -- An Oregon sheriff says he will not enforce any federal regulation that President Barack Obama lays out in his package of gun control proposals Wednesday. Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller joins several other public officials across the nation who have decided to square off with the White House even before it outlines what its plans are for expanded measures. Mueller sent a letter to Vice President Joe Biden this week saying he won't enforce any federal regulation "offending the constitutional rights of my citizens." He won't permit federal officers to come to his county to enforce such laws either, he said. Mueller's defiant stand exploded into a groundswell of support. His letter -- posted on the department's Facebook page -- earned more than 59,000 likes and shares -- and was growing by the minute. Over the weekend, Sheriff Denny Peyman of Jackson County, Kentucky, said that he too would disobey any directive from the administration. He told residents in a town hall meeting that the sheriff has more power than the federal government. "They need to go back and study that. We are a commonwealth. I can ask federal people to leave, they have to leave. I can ask state people to leave, they have to leave," he said. Do any of you know what Pollock Pines is...it isnt a town..it isnt township--I have asked many people--they just stare at me...lololol

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 16, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    This is the end of the previous article sited..Polls support change Although some officials have come out against new gun control laws, Americans as a whole are looking for some sort of change after the Newtown, Connecticut, shootings last month that took the lives of 20 grade school children and seven adults. By a 51%-45% margin, Americans questioned in a new Pew Research Center poll said it was more important to control gun ownership than to protect gun rights. And by a 52%-35% margin, a new ABC News/Washington Post survey indicates the public says it is more likely to support some forms of gun control after last month's massacre. However, the polls showed continuing divisions along political and gender lines. Still, one Oregon resident warned against passing laws that would conflict with the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms. "Constitutional changes must be made properly with Congressional and judicial approval, and by a majority of the citizens of the USA, not by the order of a tyrant in Washington D.C.!!!" said Rick Carter of Pendleton. "I stand with the brave Sheriff!" The battle lines could not be clearer..

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    Jeff- You have every right to petition the government to deny the NRA or any other group use of government facalities. And I have every right to point out that you have no problem denying groups their First Amendment Rights. In fact, I have a duty to point out your attempt of intimidation to stop the public expression and activities of those with which you don't agree.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 16, 2013 - 9:27 pm

    LINK - Jeff appears on LAUGH-IN

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 9:39 pm

    And Jeff, "Dee is just bearing her claws in insecurity" is such a sexist remark. What kind of liberal of you?

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  • DeeJanuary 16, 2013 - 9:48 pm

    Phil - Thanks for the evening laugh. Off for my evening reading of the "End of Money".

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 16, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    Oh no, Dee - Thank jeff - ;)

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 16, 2013 - 10:32 pm

    Most important items of the day for me? My Ducks coach bailed to the Eagles. I learned that Monte Te'O is a freak'en idiot. Ponderosa wrestling out lasted Oak Ridge. St. Marys beat BYU at the buzzer. And the government allowed me to purchase my new Kimber 1911. Overall a fine day.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 16, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Mightyfine report, Ken. Tight. Informative. Nice touch. Good night!

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  • RichardJanuary 16, 2013 - 11:16 pm

    It only takes a half educated person to understand that control of assault weapons is just common sense.

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  • Foamie Mouth®January 17, 2013 - 5:35 am

    What's that ure say'in bout a half edukated person, Rich?

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 17, 2013 - 6:41 am

    Jack Martin: Oh, I know the "must defend ourselves against the tyrannical government" mind set, it's the #1 pro-assault weapon argument. But it's not good enough. While you and your fellow paranoids are waiting for your big showdown with the evil empire, innocent people are being mowed down by these weapons.

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  • Gun Control Needed NowJanuary 17, 2013 - 6:44 am

    NYT: It is past time that elected leaders did something about it without worrying, as Mr. Obama said on Wednesday, about getting “an A grade from the gun lobby.” It has been a bipartisan betrayal of the public’s safety, the fault of Democrats and Republicans, and of a string of presidents who have said mournful things after the mass murders at Columbine and Virginia Tech and Aurora and Newtown but did not act. Wednesday was the exception. One month after the Newtown, Conn., murders, Mr. Obama presented a comprehensive set of initiatives that was, for a change, structured around what needs to be done and not what political tacticians think the president could get a dysfunctional Congress to pass. Mr. Obama can be frustrating at moments like this, and his delivery today was as professorial as ever. But he stepped up to the broader issue before the nation in remembering the tragedy at Newtown.

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  • RAPJanuary 17, 2013 - 6:51 am

    Although the NRA is finally taking much deserved heat for their paranoid and murderous stand on the Second Amendment, what about all the other special interest groups? Exxon-Mobil has fought the science of Climate Change for years with their own batch of paid-for scientists although the threat of global warming is real and an even deadlier killer than any "assault rifle". It is time the government did what it is supposed to do and lead the country by making sensible laws without outside influence. Perhaps this public outcry over the Newtown murders may cause the members of Congress to realize that they are elected to reach decisions based on ideas and facts not skewed by special interests. Let's hope these deaths have a some meaning other than heightened gun sales and sales of armor-plated backpacks.

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  • EvelynJanuary 17, 2013 - 7:01 am

    LARRY CORREIA REFUTES THE GUN CONTROLLERS ONCE AND FOR ALL - “I didn’t want to post about this, because frankly, it is exhausting. I’ve been having this exact same argument for my entire adult life. It is not an exaggeration when I say that I know pretty much exactly every single thing an anti-gun person can say. I’ve heard it over and over, the same old tired stuff, trotted out every single time there is a tragedy on the news that can be milked. Yet, I got sucked in, and I’ve spent the last few days arguing with people who either mean well but are [1] uninformed about gun laws and how guns actually work (who I don’t mind at all), or the [2] willfully ignorant (who I do mind), or the [3] obnoxiously stupid who are completely incapable of any critical thinking deeper than a Facebook meme (them, I can’t stand). Today’s blog post is going to be aimed at the first group.” HERE ********** (Continuing the discussion with groups 2&3 = totally pointless)

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  • EvelynJanuary 17, 2013 - 7:32 am

    "Deadly Quiet Conversations" - HERE

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  • RichardJanuary 17, 2013 - 7:35 am

    President Obama’s new proposals will not limit any law-abiding American’s right to own guns for hunting, or sport, or collection, or self-protection. So the augment is between assault weapons fantasies verses common sense and public safety.

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  • Pady O'furnitureJanuary 17, 2013 - 9:57 am

    Now you want to confiscate our assault weapons FANTASIES too? Geez! Where does this end?

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  • RichardJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:03 am

    I feel its true Republicans waste little thought on the interests of the American people. What’s even truer is their going to lose its majority in the House of Representatives if they don’t pass gun control reform?

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  • EvelynJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:04 am

    Good one, Paddy!

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Rap, Hey thanks for the humor. Global warming has happened in cycles through all of recorded and researched history . . It comes and it goes . . and so you want the government to force us to ride bicycles and stop exhaling?. And you trust them to make your "unbiased" decisions for you? Wow. . Your quote: "It is time the government did what it is supposed to do and lead the country by making sensible laws without outside influence." What part of dictatorship don't you get? Go hug a tree and wait for the next global cooling. . . . And please don't speak and release greenhouse gasses and . . .restore the "C" in front of your name.

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  • RichardJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:19 am

    Based on actions and attitudes of our current congress with its Tea Party obstructionist, I think its safe to say we will see quite a few presidential elections before a republican has even a thread of a chance of being elected..........

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  • DeeJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:36 am

    quote from James Madison in the Federalist No. 46: Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments,to which the people are attached, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

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  • Jack MartinJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:38 am

    Richard, some very simple facts: Your comments reflect what was being said in 2009, but we all saw what happened in the 2010 mid-term elections. And while Obama won re-election, it was with only 51.02% of the popular vote, hardly a landslide and LESS than his margin of victory first time around. In that same election, the country ended up with 30 Republican state governors, more than at any time since 1960, I believe. Romney was perhaps the wrong candidate for this election (he was my 4th choice in the primaries), but your blanket statement simply doesn't measure up.

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 17, 2013 - 10:51 am

    Of course this issue will not die down soon. I find it amusing how some int he left want such harm done to the NRA and it's members, but GOd forbid a preacher with one statement against homosexuality is banned from Obamas Innagural address...The hypocrocy is so thick you couldn;t even cut it with a 10 rounds from an AR. But for those of you who might actually read, you might find this an interesting article on the history of gun control. In my opinion a good deal of people are upset by the Obama admins Gun control fever for their track record on everything else is so...'stellar' YOu have to ask yourselves, SO what if we regulated the 1st Ammendment? To keep out bullying and Hate SPeech...Hmm? just a thought. Here's the article. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

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  • James E.January 17, 2013 - 11:11 am

    I want to support Paddy in his having any darn fantasy he want. Paddy, enjoy.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 17, 2013 - 11:11 am

    That's a great article Tom. Many on the left decry our sordid history of slavery and how the Native Americans were treated in the early years of the Nation. How did the leader of the day manage to keep black people in slavery? By denying them the right to own firearms. How did they manage to conquer the Native Americans? By confiscating their guns. Read the history, folks. These are some of the earliest instances of gun control and the results weren't pretty. Now, back to my assault weapons fantasy...where was I...?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 17, 2013 - 11:13 am

    Sometimes you crack me up James. In a parallel universe, we might be buds. Could even happen in this one.

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  • James E.January 17, 2013 - 11:17 am

    Mr. Martin, who were your first three choices in the primaries?

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  • James E.January 17, 2013 - 11:19 am

    *** wants.

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  • RichardJanuary 17, 2013 - 12:05 pm

    Tom, good read. I don’t remember the Sacramento event in 67, most of us had other battles to worry about. I did have a front row seat in 71-72. It’s hard for me to recall the Panthers with out my adrenalin flowing and I do think the author was much to kind in his historical accounting of them. The history of the NRA was interesting but for me leaves my questions than it gives answers. I'll read it again when I have more time.

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  • EvelynJanuary 17, 2013 - 12:41 pm

    "A Gun Ban That Misfired": What I saw as a prosecutor in Washington, D.C., makes me wary of strict firearms laws. - HERE

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  • M. SchumannJanuary 17, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    Gun reform is a joke, no matter what they decide it won’t change anything that would prevent mentally deranged people from performing violent acts against society. Guns will always be available to anyone that wants one bad enough; laws won’t stop these acts, gun free zones won’t stop them! Nothing we can do other than be vigilant will stop it. So let’s stop trying to defile our constitution and support it.

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  • DeeJanuary 17, 2013 - 4:25 pm

    We live in interesting times when Anonymous agrees with Conservatives.------------------- “Mr. Obama the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution does not talk about an army, that is covered elsewhere in the constitution. It does talk about a well regulated militia which is made of civilians with their own weapons. The second amendment of the US Constitution does not talk about protecting government or government resources, but it does talk about being necessary for the security of a free state. The second amendment of the US constitution does not say a single word about hunting or sport. But it does say ‘The peoples right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed’.” “To the American people, as many laws have been banning firearms in cities such as Chicago, New York, and Washington D.C have been implemented and as the courts get them, they are now being overthrown as being unconstitutional. Even if they were not ruled on, they are an infringement to your second amendment rights and you have no obligation to obey it and the courts have no obligation to enforce it.” Anonymous---------------I guess Occupy want to keep their guns too.

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  • clleaJanuary 17, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    Dee, OMG, surely you gest? Anonymous is an anarchic cyber guerilla organization. They attack many for what "they" feel in the moment. This group is not far left or far right. They will attack whatever pleases them. So don't push this crap to the left or the right!

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 17, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    cllea, the path to “anonymous” is both extreme left and extreme right. Either extreme gets you there. The extremes of both left right loop back and join. Anonymous “lives” comfortably at 180 degrees opposite “moderate” which we usually see as centered between “left” and “right”. Both extremes find common ground in “anonymous”. Left, right – both get you there. Birchers used to be extreme right. Old Birchers recognize anonymous clap trap.

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  • DeeJanuary 18, 2013 - 8:17 am

    cllea-The point is Anonymous should be included in your comments about gun control. They too believe in the 2nd Amendment. Even anarchists recognize when a President. overreaches.

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