Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Hangtown Haven use permit extension

EDITOR:

I am a resident of Placerville. I am a retired correctional officer, and I am also a volunteer at Hangtown Haven. Having been there, I’ve seen the exceptional job that the committee members do, such as providing a clean and safe living area, enforcing rules — like no alcohol or drugs, and seeing to it that individuals get to medical appointments and job interviews. I would also like to mention the outstanding support system in place. During the short time I have been there I have seen several people transition out into the workforce.

In my opinion, it would be morally and ethically wrong to not extend the use permit for Hangtown Haven. Sometimes bad things happen to good people; these people are not homeless they are houseless. They do have homes and support at Hangtown Haven, and by support I am referring to the community and the committee members.

PERRY STINNETT
Placerville

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  • Phil VeerkampNovember 06, 2013 - 12:41 pm

    Perry, do you see Perks Ct. as a permanent and superior solution to be implemented at the end of a granted "extension"? Or do you envision a shelter at Perks Ct IN ADDITION to Hangtown Haven?

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  • pdstinnett@comcast.netNovember 11, 2013 - 9:10 pm

    Phil, I think Hangtown Haven is located in a ideal location, close to services that can accommodate most of the needs of those housed at Hangtown Haven. I have not seen the physical layout of the proposed Perks Court Site. .According to some, that site would be visible to highway 50 traffic, If that was in fact true , I would be in agreement with that site being inappropriate . The success of Hangtown Haven lies solely on the commitment, structure, support system that has been implemented by the committee members at Hangtown Haven. Not all homeless or as I refer to them as, house less , are appropriate placements in a place such as Hangtown Haven. The expectations of the " committee members " such as , no drugs, no alcohol, treatment programs, education and job placement omits a somewhat large population of the homeless population in El Dorado county. Those that truly want help and support can find it at Hangtown Haven .

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  • Guy PlacerNovember 11, 2013 - 6:37 am

    Perry, What planet do you live on, the place is a dump and crime is up all around the area. Can you imagine the panhandling and crime if they move this to Perks Court. Think ahead.

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  • EvelynNovember 11, 2013 - 6:40 am

    Guy: For those of us who have not been to Hangtown Haven, please tell us what you saw when you were there.

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  • pdstinnett@comcast.netNovember 11, 2013 - 8:21 pm

    Guy, I take it that's not your real name, your the type that wants to make false , ill informed comments and hide behind some phony internet name. I invite you to come up and check out Hangtownt Haven for yourself, I have not observed any crime or pan handling, I have observed a well organized support system that is working. If you would have done any research at all , you would have found that Hangtown Haven has gained National attention which is based mainly on how well the "committee members'" run Hangtown Haven. You have never been there, you have no idea what goes on there. Feel free to contact me< I would be happy to give you a tour and show you what is "Really" going on at Hangtowntown Haven.

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  • michael dukeNovember 11, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    I am a Volunteer at Hang town Heaven and also a Retired Correctional Officer and Veteran with the U.S. Marines ! These are Human Beings Trying to make it in life and some have in the short time myself and Perry have been Volunteers ! If it is shut down, where do they go? The County should make plans for a more Permanent Area , Some where else, Or Hang Town Heaven!But we have seen this work and in my last 25 yrs, i have not seen hardly anything work! Come up and visit ! Glad to show you around! Mike!

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  • kathyNovember 11, 2013 - 7:10 am

    Thank you Perry, for speaking for all of us that agree. People that want structure and rules that are set and followed by adults that want to change, I would say this is the solution for now. Read all the crime that is taking place in this county taking place from young kids that should be in school and at a job, I don't worry about houseless adults. Please extend the permit to those that have proven them self's. Some need a little more help and time to get out on there feet. If time and help to you is an inconvenience on this plan, well be carful what you ask for down the road from the community. CITY, rethink your thoughts. Kathy Placerville.

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  • kggNovember 11, 2013 - 9:14 am

    evelyn writes: " For those of us who have not been to Hangtown Haven, please tell us what you saw when you were there." kgg writes: i have visited hangtown haven. it may not be guy's idea of a home but it is a home. it is clean and well maintained.

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  • SFRNovember 11, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    KGG I'm sure you straighten up when company comes by too.

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  • kggNovember 12, 2013 - 4:22 am

    sfr wrote: "KGG I'm sure you straighten up when company comes by too." kgg writes: sfr - although you can make an appointment to visit, i didn't. they didn't know i was coming.

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  • rodNovember 12, 2013 - 7:26 am

    Perry, “Hangtown Haven has gained National attention”, and that is precisely the problem. No question the Haven is helping a few, but the fact that many transients walking in the road as routine is not just a growing concern for vehicular traffic, but a safety hazard to the homeless as well. Land owners need to be (and are) concerned as the success of the Haven grows, so too will the number of homeless. Tax paying home owners have a right to reasonable expectation of their land’s value. The growing number of homeless, caused by the location of the ‘free food facility’, is not perceived as anything temporary, but a further undeclared assault on homeowners not just from increasing taxes and regulation, but now from a new affront, NGO encroachment. I have stated this before but few seem to recognize, or willing to discuss, the REAL PROBLEM, its not the Haven but the placement of the Upper Room free food facility. One more thing. Please, there are many of us that have grown averse to changing terms for PC value, like calling homeless, houseless. Like calling homosexuality, gayness, etcetera. Political Correctness is not just off-putting, but it’s a warning that something has become political

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  • Perry StinnettNovember 12, 2013 - 10:03 am

    Rod, you have some good points, I agree with most of what you are saying. What is the solution ? The term "houseless " I used was referring to most of the people at Hangtown Haven. Those people at one time had homes, had jobs and are there looking for help getting back into the work force. Why get rid of a place and a program that helps people get back on there feet and doesn't cost the tax payer any money. Granted there will always be homeless that choose that lifestyle, but why turn your back the need the help and support. Hopefully you will never find yourself in that situation.

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  • Arnold LangeNovember 12, 2013 - 9:51 am

    I read the crime log in the MD regularly. It seems that most of the crimes occur everywhere BUT Placerville. So if HH has brought all this crime to the area, why isn't the MD reporting it? I would think it would be headline news.

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  • SFRNovember 12, 2013 - 9:53 am

    Absolutly Rod do you hear that sound too?

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  • SFRNovember 12, 2013 - 10:04 am

    Arnold get a scanner better yet broad castify . com its free no sign up.

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  • SFRNovember 12, 2013 - 11:06 am

    Read the text on fox 40 news and you will see what's wrong "some are six months away from getting their life back on track" in six months how many are going to be new arrivals that need six more months? Also "out in force at tonights meeting" is a very poor choice of words.

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  • rodNovember 12, 2013 - 11:20 am

    Perry, thanks for the sincere dialog, hard to find sometimes. YES, for some known reason, this economy has incredible ties to the 1930's and homeless ness is a serious dilemma. The solution is multifaceted but might start with keeping urban problems confined to urbana. Rural folk seem to either 'get it' (work is an ethic), or they move to urbana and never get it. CHURCHES have sustained the 'unfortunate'... for eons. But now we have the unfortunate relying on and often taking advantage of a system that has abandoned the very concept of it's origins, secular pity that teaches zero morality, zero responsibility. HH is an exception, its a worthy stopgap, it is the location of the Upper Room that is the problem as I previously mentioned... and that you, just now, still refuse to address. Example: B street in north Sac where 'Loaves and Fishes' is, is a huge resource for homeless and has become the dearth for landowners but also vacant lots have become a status quo "right' negatively impacting the locale. I used to park my commute car inside a chainlink state owned compound. That area resembled Bangladesh... is that what we want for BROADWAY? That's what we're going to have if we don't change course NOW. The Bible say's, "thou shall not oppress the sojourner". Well lets give them a meal and then keep them sojourning, when they start hanging around its time to let the dogs out. I have rights too. The right to work and buy a small piece of property and not have the county, and major cities, collude in a nontransparent way encouraging homeless to my backyard nor my neighbor's. Someone said, "Build it and they will come", well build it where the problem is, don't relocate it to obscure the problem or force the problem onto me. Either do it right with fairness to all, or don't do it at all. Is THAT hard to understand Perry?

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  • rodNovember 12, 2013 - 4:33 pm

    News flash. Broadway was closed for most of today at and near the Haven. Fire crews (CCC?) were defoliating brush, small trees so that there is 'no place to hide' for the illegal homeless along upper Broadway according to a traffic officer. Saw a nice stand-up canvas TENT up near the freeway now exposed.

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  • PatriceNovember 12, 2013 - 7:18 pm

    Wasn't that sooo exciting for you and the officer to "flush out" human beings? Sounds like both of you got a w__dy!

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 12, 2013 - 5:02 pm

    Now people can complain that they can see it from the highway...rolling eyeballs. They should have thought this idea through from the start...now it has become bigger. there is so much land in this county...animal shelters...people...both can work together on land. seem to me I read that the Haven was leasing this piece of land... Once the people are out--and there is change...what will that change be? Maybe a roundabout ? Since people are not really making "good" choices in local government? City council--any thoughts? Doesnt the chamber lease their building for very little? And the county cant find land to lease for this program?...maybe they could hire PMC...buy the designers some more crayons and set them loose...on a model "homeless" city...it would make the papers--tourists from all over would want to see it--be inspired by it...heavy sigh. Include the animals...working ranch---rich people who love animals would invest in it....I am so sorry Haven...the people are right--your success was not taken into account...some people are just short sided.

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  • James E.November 12, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    Rod, I hope they aren't using Agent Orange on those bushes.

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  • PatriceNovember 12, 2013 - 7:09 pm

    Seriously not funny, nor was it meant to be, I'm sure. Although thought provoking. I am pretty sure it would make some good citizens content if/when they start picking up the dead bodies of these "flushed out" people come this winter. Disgusting, backward thinking, callous, and fearful. Patrice, what did you really expect?

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  • James E.November 12, 2013 - 7:41 pm

    So, the cops/fire department moved in to clear the area before the Mayor, et.al., made the decision tonight? Well, it must have leaked out -- poor security in the Mayor's group. OK, who blabbed?

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 12, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    OMG...lolololol SSSSSSSSSSShhhhhhhhhhh...lololololol

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 12, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    Back to saying Im sorry for the people of the Haven...give them a dream...and wake them up at the best part. shame on this county. and your problems will be all gone as well....seriously? It wasnt the Haven. I wouldnt be surprised if they were all actors...some small groups go to great lengths to justify their arrogance (dont get to excited...just a thought--not a theory.) and what happens if the problem is still there the morning after? some [people got some explaining to do by golly. Next time someone gets the thought to be a "hero"--someone tackle them to the ground and make them really think first. Many important items have waited nine-ten years in this county...and the city jumps the gun on "humans"...nice.

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