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EDITOR:
How is it that some of our Christian leaders want to abolish the Obama health care plan that will help all American people, and on the same TV program they ask all of us to make a donation to help the children in other countries? All I hear from the Republicans is “start over.” The Republicans had eight years to do something about health care. They chose to do nothing about it and health care skyrocketed out of sight along with oil and everything else. I know they call the Obama health plan “socialism.” Tell me, what is the federal income tax system? Don’t we all pay for that? Is that socialism?
Maybe it is because the wealthy and large corporations do not pay their share, yet they have lobbyists in Congress lobbying for what they want. You and I do not have anyone lobbying for what we the people, of the people, and by the people want. So we are at the mercy of these large corporations ruling our government. That type of government I do fear.
However, America is said to be a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. Why would we fear a government like that? If we, the so-called Christian people, believe in tithing, did the Lord God say the poor should pay 10 percent and the rich pay 5 percent? No, not at all. He did not find it robbery that both should pay the same. Look what has happened in the oil industry with no government control. Everything is out of control. And we have some Republicans right here in our area saying let oil seek its own level. All I can say is, what a disgrace to the working men and women of America.
So when you say keep the government out of everything, you are saying that these large corporations do what they want to do. So to me, we must have government control that is of the people. Let us take a look at elections over two years. That would go a long way in supporting a health care system. Also, why should we lose our health care just because we are terminated from the work force? Take a look at Germany, they have had a health care system for over 40 years. They also only work a 7-hour day; we Americans work an 8-hour day. Why not use that extra hour each day for health care? Or shall we concede that Germany can utilize their financing better than America?
Also, we are told that these other oil-producing nations share very little with the poor. Frankly, I see very little difference in our oil-producing companies. They are certainly robbing America.
BILL G. KIRKPATRICK
Placerville
I dread this Thursday. My son with a per-existing condition was picked up on my Health plan (He’s 23 yr old…We could pay to keep him on). My granddaughter who has asthma and numerous allergies was blocked from any health plan until Obamacare passed. (I like calling it Obamacare….because Obama does.)…. Do you know Saudi Arabia has a better plan than the USA?…. It will be a sad day Thursday when the Conservative “Activists” Justices will take away a person’s rights to health care because it cuts in the PROFITS of INSURANCE Companies. If you say, it’s constitutional — read Thomas Jefferson’s Letter to John Adams on Oct 23, 1813. Read how he talks about the “aristocrats” will try to DESTROY what they have done by taking away the rights of the poor …. England’s Aristocratic dominance would be proud of the SCOTUS we have today that rule for the ARISTOCRAT’S interest FIRST.
“How is it that some of our Christian leaders want to abolish the Obama health care plan that will help all American people, and on the same TV program they ask all of us to make a donation to help the children in other countries?”
perhaps those “Christian leaders” aren’t really christian.
The Health insurance companies are a scam putting profit first and our health care second. When will we admit this and have Medicare for all? Insurance companies Capitalist free market, and Medicare Socialism? If so, then Socialism it is for the good of all of us (except insurance company CEOs and executives).
Six years ago, when Mitt Romney was still governor of Massachusetts, he called his health care reform promising health insurance to all residents of his state “a great leap forward.”
His goal, articulated at the bill signing ceremony at Faneuil Hall on April 12, 2006, was “every citizen with affordable, comprehensive health insurance.”
The trigger to achieving that was imposing an individual mandate that requires every citizen of Massachusetts to obtain coverage or face fines. As a result, the state went from 90 percent of its residents insured to 98 percent, the highest rate in the nation.
While two percent of Massachusetts residents are still not covered, that compares favorably to the national average of 16 percent uninsured. The Obama administration cited Massachusetts as a model for the 2010 Affordable Care Act, which had an individual mandate at the heart of its Supreme Court review. Though Romney opposes the Obama health reform, Romney defended the mandate as a personal responsibility during his first campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.
Overturning health care: Worse for Romney or Obama, as an Independent I would say worse for Romney!
First of all, America doesn`t have any christian leaders, America has some of the most expensive and most lacking health care in the world, and America does not care for its own. But America is out to conquer the world. America cannot manage its own, much less the rest of the world. I`m going home.
Interesting how Kirkpatrick casts the shadow of obligation on those who want to “take away” Obamacare, instead of even considering the possibility that Obama and the Congress never HAD the authority to give it in the first place. And what about the skyrocketing expense of health care? Could it be that that was by government design, especially Democrat design, for the specific purpose of driving this discussion? No? Anyone remember “Hillary Care” from 1993? Ahhhh, yessss, our illustrious first lady at the time, with no authority of elective office, was the driving force behind legislation meant to enact essentially what we have 19 years later in the form of Obamacare. As we recall, not only did Hillary care not gain any traction, but it caused a backlash against hubby Bill that was partially responsible for the Republican Revolution of 1994. The public saw Hillary’s bare intentions and associated them with Bill. Did the Dems learn from that? No. They began to enact a series of regulations, reforms, new laws, new coverages that hospitals, doctors and HMO’s had to respond to. This drove up the cost of health care, BY DESIGN, so that one day the public might be receptive to government-mandated, universal health care. Problem is, once again, when the public learns how much it will really cost, that the “death panels” are indeed a real part of Obamacare (see IPAB’s), and that they cannot in fact keep their doctor if they like him, they turn against it. Last national poll I saw was that 62% want it repealed. Had to laugh at the reference to the tithe, where indeed God asks for 10% from each and all. But Kirkpatrick ignores the fact that the top earners in our economy are paying nearly 40% income tax rate, and the lowest 48% of all earners pay zero income tax. How is this unfair to the poor? Mr Kirkpatrick, if Germany is managing their work week, their health care and their economy so much better than we are, there’s nothing to stop you from going there.
What distorted logic. First do not confuse healthcare with health insurance. They are not equal although many try to equate them. There is no free lunch as someone must pay for this “care” that is magically appearing because some politicians wrote it down on a piece of paper. When you buy auto insurance, do you expect the insurance company to pay for the semiannual brake inspection? If not, why not? Maybe it is because if you did, the insurance company would raise your rates at least twice the cost of the brake inspection to cover not only its cost but overhead and profits. Not only does the insurer raise his rates but also the mechanic must raise his to cover the extra cost of billing the insurance company and doing the extra paper work. It is much simpler and cheaper to pay the mechanic directly. You buy auto insurance for catastrophic coverage not for routine maintenance.
How much cheaper would our healthcare costs be if insurance was limited to just catastrophic coverage? If we negotiated with the doctor for costs? If we questioned the need for every analysis? We are poor consumers of healthcare because someone else is paying. Unfortunately, that someone is the collective us.
There are/were some real problems in our insurance system. Namely the preexisting condition clauses and the ability of insurers to drop customers for little or no reason other than to sick. These issues were solvable without the drastic federal take over of healthcare.
Mr. Kirkpatrick, please look up the profitability (profit divided by sales) of ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP etc. and compare it to Coca Cola. Their profits are not out of line with their sales volume.
Thursday will give us a hint where all this is going. My WAG: 6 to 3 in support of Obamacare. As in the Arizona case, Kennedy and Roberts will join the 4 liberal Marxist Socialist Communist progressives in affirming Obamacare in order to save American lives. Please note, it’s my WAG. I have no insider information. I could be wrong.
With activist judges sitting on the supreme court, I would wager it is struck down completely or crippled.
WOW Bill…you have not read this monster bill which has nothing to do with healthcare have you…all you are doing is following the Obama talking points…this nightmare called something about affordibility has driven up healthcare 20 percent already…in fact my primary doctor has already left the profession…Bill, open your progressive eyes and understand this is about control of the people and nothing more…by the way, have you heard the ads on the radio by this Userper with the food stamp thing…what a embarassment to the American people…this fraud is making it sound like it is the normal thing to do……Good God…let November happen next week to get rid of this virus on the American way of life…
It looks like my prediction was totally wrong. good.
“pretty much any other mandate can be magically converted into a tax so long as it is structured in the same way as this mandate is. Congress can therefore use similar fines to force people to purchase broccoli, cars, or just about anything else. The danger here is not just theoretical. Numerous interest groups could potentially lobby Congress to enact a law requiring people to buy their products, just as the health insurance industry did in this case.
…”having closed the front door of the Commerce Clause, the Chief Justice has now “empowered” Congress to make those same decisions for us through the tax power.” http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2012/06/29/robertscare-proponents-of-statism-score/
The insurance companies wrote Obinationcare to ensure that they would have a continuous income stream mandated by the govt. In short a monopoly. Piglosi acknowledged that they had to pass it to know what was in it! America had a good health care system before the govt. got involved. Now we will have the worst courtesy of those who are always after a free lunch. Sooner or later it will all collapse because three is no free lunch. In the meantime, enjoy your death panels.
No need to argue with marion(martin). The law was upheld, it is the law of the land and all of your Heritage Foundation talking points(propagated by ‘flawed news’ won’t change it. You can dis it all you want. You aren’t going to change anything. Denegrating Democrats and liberals may be fun, but it is folly. If you want to make a difference, start writing McClintock and ask him “WHAT, MR. MCCLINTOCK, ARE YOU DOING TO CREATE JOBS IN YOUR DISTRICT?”
I am pretty sure the answer is “NOTHING”
mr obama didn’t know what he was talking about in 2009 when he clearly and emphatically said his “health”care plan was not a tax. It was then and remains so today – unwarranted, unjustified & unconscionable.