Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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How do you fight the government?

EDITOR:

How do you fight the EPA when it uses blatant lies to take away what you have fought for all of your life?

Court isn’t working; every time you win something they sue for something else and if they lose there they go to Congress and try and succeed in passing laws with unsubstantiated information. We, the mining community, have fought tooth and nail with the environmentalists on our rights to mine the rivers for the past three years. We won the first battle and Fish and Game made up new rules and was going to let us start dredging again but the eco nuts sued again to stop us.

They also got California to put another moratorium on dredging while they circumvented the system to have Combie Reservoir and the Bear River dredged for the mercury with gold. Just a side recovery — yeah, right. They also stated that they are planning on dredging all the rivers that have mercury in them. Talk about screwing the miner, they figured they would just get rid of us so that they can reap our heritage.

They have not proven that we have caused harm to the environment. Everything except noise was less than significant and they never did any decibel reading to make the noise significant. They just felt it was. They also found that we dug up archeological or cultural artifacts from the bottom of the river and that it was significant. Give me a break. We have become targets for extinction and they are succeeding with lies and money to put us out to roost.

MARTIN SCHUMANN
Placerville

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Discussion | 23 comments

  • Ernie LouisJune 14, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Don't quit. Right always wins out. I just home we are alive to see it. Like Supervisor Ray Nutting, Mining is in the way of stack and pack Speculators/Developers who want to make another Elk Grove out of Rural Foothill communities. Ernie Louis

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  • Ernie LouisJune 14, 2013 - 11:55 am

    Don't quit. Right always wins out. I just hope we are alive to see it. Like Supervisor Ray Nutting, Mining is in the way of stack and pack Speculators/Developers who want to make another Elk Grove out of Rural Foothill communities. Ernie Louis

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  • cookie65June 17, 2013 - 6:08 am

    The difficulty exists when the government creates millions of people who are dependent on the government for everything. Not only do they trade their freedom for a handout but turn their backs on what the government becomes because the don't want to upset the hand that feeds them. If you disagree with the results you are labeled an extremist. Did you see where Big Cut mine is being fined $11million? http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news-sierra/record-11m-fine-for-illegal-gold-mine-near-placerville/-/12970852/20564288/-/lbifhc/-/index.html

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  • Ty RobbenJune 17, 2013 - 7:12 am

    Protest with a massive crime scene banner and get the attention of the people, the press and the issues like I did in front of DA Vern Pierson's office. Also file a writ of mandate and get the issue in the courts. Protest the courts if they deny your due process and rights. Keep up the pressure.

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  • 1036-FrankJune 17, 2013 - 8:23 am

    Most miners have all gone to Alaska and all the rest of the states that don't outlaw dredging for gold. These issues in this state are because of one Austrian actor and leftist lawsuit results and the liberal govt. policies from their judges, first they went after the loggers then the forest roads were slowly but surely closed to the public, then the ohv roads had to be closed to "study" something, now if this bogus frog scare gets traction who knows what will happen if it is listed as an endangered species, perhaps the attempted closing of entire national forests, they are after gold mining now, next is the purchase of lead ammo and all-out gun registration, anything the liberals don't like will be targeted by liberals in power to regulate it away or prohibit it outright, what is the recourse? That is the question.

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  • cookie65June 17, 2013 - 9:07 am

    Frank, did you see this? California has passed a bill that will require you to obtain a permit to purchase ammunition. http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/06/13/breaking-california-passes-ammo-permit-fee/

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  • R.J. CarterJune 17, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Cookie...Thanks for posting the link....Like I've always said, they just chip away at the 2nd Amendment bit by little bit making sure most don't even notice..Our founding Fathers would be shooting by now...

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  • cookie65June 17, 2013 - 10:32 am

    R.J. their next avenue of attack on the 2nd Amendment is California is to ban lead ammunition. Under the guise of environmentalism. Apparently the left figured out that lead ammunition can cause lead poisoning to what ever you shoot with it. They sure are brilliant.

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  • Ken SteersJune 17, 2013 - 12:35 pm

    Lead ammo is already banned in most of California. Because of the California Condor. Eh, you've got to chose your battles. Lead weight for fishing is being eliminated. You can't use lead on ducks or geese. And I found that other than .22's, I don't shoot much lead anymore anyhow.

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  • cookie65June 17, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    Lead like oil and asbestos are naturally occurring substances. Substances the earth and all that live on it have survived together for millions of years. The environMENTALists would have people believe that all were imported here from some distant lifeless planet by greedy polluters, big evil business and the NRA. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/06/11/california-could-become-first-state-to-ban-lead-bullets/

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  • 1036-FrankJune 17, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    The vast majority of metal is being bought by China and this has caused the record prices for it, lead is by far the cheapest substance to use for ammo. Ammo prices will rise in Cal substantially and everyone will buy out of state I would think unless the liberals will now create law to go after people in possession of lead ammo. Then there is the new fee proposed for DOJ checks for ammo purchasers, the slippery slope is now the 2nd Amendment off the cliff with state law that couldn't be passed federally.

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  • Ken SteersJune 17, 2013 - 9:03 pm

    Frank, this is California. With have the toughest gun laws in America. And our state constitution doesn't acknowledge the 2nd Amendment. The democrat socialist will learn that passing laws and enforcing them are two completely different situations. The politicians want to turn law abiding citizens into felons while at the same time turn hardened criminals lose on our citizenry. We in California are not looking down off the cliff. We are buried in the hole that is social fascism.

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  • rodJune 17, 2013 - 11:04 pm

    Leave CA to the libs, soon they all will be on federal assistance with no industry, no agriculture, and no tax base left. Ammo is abundant in Reno, hell with their permits. Still can't believe the utter ignorance of this legislature... moonbeam and his cabal of dopers.

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  • Paul DuerJune 18, 2013 - 1:15 am

    In any situation you can easily predict what liberals will do next if you imagine that their secret dream is for California to become one giant, glorious national park, supported by Federal dollars. Whether they realize it or not, liberals' actions align with this hypothetical dream. In fact, for a few extremists, it may not be hypothetical at all.

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  • kggJune 18, 2013 - 7:02 am

    ken wrote: "And our state constitution doesn’t acknowledge the 2nd Amendment." kgg wrote: california's constitution was written in 1849. the constitution of the united states is the governing document for all states. we don't need state constitutions to repeat the obvious.

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  • Ken SteersJune 18, 2013 - 7:26 am

    KGG, Why California has the most draconian guns laws in the nation coincides directly with the fact that our state is one of 5, New York New Jersey, Maryland and Minnesota, that do not mention any form of the 2nd amendment in their State Constitution. http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/statecon.htm Actually we do need State Constitutions to repeat the obvious. This is why our State ignores the National 2nd Amendment.

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  • kggJune 18, 2013 - 7:42 am

    ken wrote: "California has the most draconian guns laws in the nation" kgg wrote: which specific laws do you feel are draconian?

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  • MartinJune 18, 2013 - 7:59 am

    Our State doesn’t get it, when you add charges to anything you put people out of work. Gun shops depend on ammunition sales for a big portion of their income; Nevada will be the winner.

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  • 1036-FrankJune 18, 2013 - 8:28 am

    They are coming after your lead, your gold, your guns, your atv use, and your once public lands. This state might very well be the liberal poster child bankrupt state that really should be declared a national park of ignorance. Time to see if Spain wants their territory back because their laws aren't going to be any worse, bring in the Euro and break out the botas.

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  • Ken SteersJune 18, 2013 - 9:52 am

    Frank and Martin nailed some. Clip laws-capacity and needing a tool to remove. .50 Cal moratorium. Gun storage, both at your home and while traveling, maximum of 1 hand gun per 30 day and a 10 day cooling off period all are draconian per most all other states.

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  • cookie65June 18, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Is this a glimpse into our future? Just wait til they can no longer print the welfare checks. Brazil erupts into violent protests over a rise in bus fare and poor services. Socialist utopia repeating itself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/18/brazil-protests-erupt-huge-scale?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-3%20Main%20trailblock:Network%20front%20-%20main%20trailblock:Position3

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 18, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    Cookie, this is a glimpse of our present . . . LINK - A Tennessee community college professor ordered her students to wear ribbons in support of gay rights and said those who supported the traditional definition of marriage are just “uneducated bigots”

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  • NancyJune 18, 2013 - 9:54 pm

    IMO, we're finished. The liberals have control of the state legislature and the court system. We've already seen the IRS target conservatives and religious groups around the country. The government entities in this state can do the same thing without being challenged. Therefore, we have 2 options: 1) move to another state, 2) secede from the State of CA and form a new state.

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