Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

A Bushmaster was used at Sandy Hook

EDITOR:

As the debate continues locally and nationally on what can be done to reduce gun violence in the United States, it is important to accept incontrovertible facts as a starting point. Unfortunately, Rod Kerr’s letter in last Friday’s Mountain Democrat republished a false story that the shooter at the Sandy Hook school mass murder did not use a Bushmaster .223 caliber semi-automatic rifle to kill 20 children and five teachers. The Bushmaster knock-off of a military assault rifle was in fact used for this mass murder, but those opposed to an assault weapons ban have consistently attempted to falsify this for their own purposes.

What apparently happened is that a news reporter saw a long weapon being removed from the killer’s vehicle after the killing and mistakenly assumed it was a rifle. In fact, it was a shotgun. The Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle and two pistols were found within the school. The semi-automatic rifle with its 30-round magazine was used for the murders and one of the pistols for the killer’s suicide. If anyone doubts this, I suggest a visit to the Connecticut Police Website where Lieutenant Paul Vance has repeatedly laid out the facts in an effort to silence ”the conspiracy theorists that are trying to muck-up the waters.” The “propaganda” here is by Mr. Kerr and others who oppose measures intended to prevent tragedies such as this, not Janet Robinson, the school superintendent who told the truth that some apparently don’t want to hear.

TED PHILLIPS

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 10, 2013 - 6:59 pm

    "ABC, CBS, NBC Admit No Assault Rifle Used at Sandy Hook" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVf8DzqhfM4.............. ...And in other news; "Russia Flips Petrodollar On Its Head By Exporting Crude, Buying Record Gold" ... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-10/russia-flips-petrodollar-its-head-exporting-crude-buying-record-gold

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 3:26 am

    "ABC, CBS, NBC Admit No Assault Rifle Used at Sandy Hook" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVf8DzqhfM4..............

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 3:28 am

    ...And in other news; "Russia Flips Petrodollar On Its Head By Exporting Crude, Buying Record Gold" ... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-10/russia-flips-petrodollar-its-head-exporting-crude-buying-record-gold...There are thing happening outside our little corner of the world that are worth keeping our eye on. They could really impact us in the future.

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 5:37 am

    Paddy: Never let FACT get in the way of AGENDA. Agenda requires the Bushmaster part of the story. The heck with FACTS. The same old stories will continue to be told. The true believers will not watch your 3:26am video. That way, they may continue as "true believers".

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 6:16 am

    ACCUSED GUNMAN CHRISTOPHER DORNER ISSUES STATEMENT… “IT’S NOT ME!” - HERE - The statement was received by a local news organization via fax from a Cabo San Lucas hotel early Saturday. “It’s not me!,” Dorner says in the statement. “I have been out of town on vacation and just heard the news that I am blamed for killings I did not and never would commit. This “manifesto” the police are using against me is just a few ideas for a screenplay I am working on with my former colleague Mark Fuhrman. Tell my mom I’m OK. Once again… the cops have it all wrong…. I will soon be in touch.”

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 6:20 am

    "Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity" - HERE - (Will Dorner be killed before having an opportunity to make an official statement?)

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 6:26 am

    "Massive $1 Million reward offer for Christopher Dorner" - HERE - (To above question, the answer probably is "YES".)

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 6:28 am

    "US To Use Drones In Chris Dorner Manhunt" - HERE

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  • RichardFebruary 11, 2013 - 6:57 am

    How can the two NRA members above reject the proposed updates to our gun laws: I’m thankful there are only a few of you RAMBO types who keep repeating the same NRA lines about having to defend yourselves against our country? And as for your Sheriff, it’s hard to imagine someone in law enforcement who chooses to look the other way when more and more of AR-15 type weapon are being made available. "Screw the NRA," Americas very own home grown extremist organization!

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:07 am

    Hi Richard. Who are the two NRA members (RAMBO types)? And, where above do you find discussion of "proposed updates to our gun laws"?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:16 am

    Evelyn, I don't know what you look like, but I bet you'd look great in that Rambo headband, camo BDU's, a little grease paint and toting an M-60. I know I would :)

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:36 am

    Evelyn, look closer. I think you've been had by an "ONION-like" spoof - LINK - Until the letter was received at the offices of The Palookaville Post, the trail had gone cold . . . Ace Cub Reporter Jimmy Olsentwins

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:52 am

    LINK - Jimmey Olsen

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:54 am

    Phil: Damn Damn Damn. Had again!

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:56 am

    Paddy: I have an entire drawer-full of Rambo headbands that have been kept in waiting for just such an occasion. I'll lend you one of my finest.

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:59 am

    Is Richard MIA - again? Or has he gone out to fetch hisself one of dem headbands?

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 8:03 am

    "Chris Dorner and the Reality of the Situation: - HERE - We have yet to determine if Christopher Dorner is even so much as a presently alive person, as many aspects of the scenario being put forth in the mainstream propaganda simply just do not add up. ********** Amen to that, Richard.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 8:12 am

    Evelyn, deal. And I'll lend you one of my plastic toy M-60's that I bought for Halloween back when Rambo I, II, III, IV and V were big. Wait, it might be illegal to carry one of those in CA since it might scare people like Richurd. Maybe I'll paint it pink.

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 8:19 am

    Paddy: Toy guns are no laughing matter. Seriously. I could litter these pages -- and drive Richard crazy!!! -- with TRUE stories about small children being punished in school, having the cops called, etc., for drawing a picture of a gun, bringing toy guns to school, or making a paper gun. Who knows -- in time "gun" may become a prohibited word.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 9:00 am

    I've read those stories too Evelyn. Dozens of them-kids (kinder and grade schoolers) being suspended for playing toy gun or pointing their finger in a shooty manner. I have to ask when I read these; "Is this really what we want"? A soft, pathetic panny-waisted society where we are offended at anything that we don't understand or like? Seems we are going the wrong way.

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  • Rod KerrFebruary 11, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Ted Phillips, Dam just can't get one past you gunphobes. You must be right... after all the media and a website says so. Fact is I quoted the media quoting a police report saying, "the AR-15 never left the vehicle" Got it? The function of my letter was to hold the media to the truth. Are we on the same page? The propaganda wasn't mine but glad it got your attention. Now you can live with propaganda, or you can do something about it. And remember that so called assault weapons, in the hands of law abiding citizens are ANTI-ASSAULT WEAPONS and our RIGHT to keep them "shall not be infringed".

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  • RichardFebruary 11, 2013 - 11:46 am

    As an American and a former Marine Rifle Platoon NCO, I am entirely cognizant of the effects of the AR-15 type weaponry. This type of weaponry has no legitimate place within civil society. Additionally, as most are aware, the Supreme Court has ruled that no rights are absolute and laws limiting fully automatic weapons and weaponry that launches explosive projectiles have been severely limited within the Second Amendment “umbrella” of the right to bear arms. I urge each and every citizen in our community to support common sense gun control legislative.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 12:08 pm

    Common sense gun control legislation can begin and end with putting people in jail who commit crimes with guns. And those who commit crimes without guns too. Will there be anything else today? No? Good. Now, did anybody hear that the pope's gonna retire?

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  • James E.February 11, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    Paddy, yep, Pope's going to cash in his chips. Been like 600 years since a Pope has retired. History made in our lifetime.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 12:40 pm

    Been 600 years since a pope retired? Didn't think he was THAT old! ;^)

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  • rodFebruary 11, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    Paddy O, excellent comment, your link www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVf8DzqhfM4... pretty much proves my point, thanks. Mr. Phillips, getting the the picture now? who's propagandizing who? the simple fact is ORIGINAL reports are usually more accurate... but research is a given with the agenda intensity in todays leftist media. Paddy O getting to sound scary smart.

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  • RichardFebruary 11, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    Another NRA reason not to support new gun legislation: “we don’t need new gun control legislation because we don’t enforce the laws we have now." Commit a crime in El Dorado County with a gun go to jail, if there’s room: The problem with putting more criminals in jail in El Dorado County is there may not be room. In order to assure his budgets are guaranteed with a little extra each year our sheriff has rented available jail space to the federal government. Where this additional income makes the Sheriff’s budget look good, it limits the amount of available space which reflects on sentencing. Not to mention the stress on staff having to care for some really bad felons. The proposed new gun legislation would benefit law enforcement, but that doesn’t seem to matter to the NRA. Listed below are the current rules. 1. Possession of a gun or ammunition by a person who is: ● a convicted felon; ● a fugitive from justice; ● a convicted drug user or addict is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment. 2. If you have 3 or more prior felony convictions for crimes of violence and/or drug trafficking, you face a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years without parole. 3. To sell, give, or provide any gun or ammunition to a person known to be: ● a convicted felon; ● a fugitive from justice; ● a convicted drug user or addict is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment without parole. 4. Using or carrying a gun during a drug crime or crime of violence is punishable by 5 years to life imprisonment, without parole, or death if death results from the use of a gun. 5. Possessing, hiding, storing, or selling a gun and ammunition that are known to be stolen is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment without parole. 6. Possessing or discharging a gun within a school zone is punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment without parole. 7. Possessing or transporting a gun with an altered or destroyed serial number is punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment without parole. 8. Possessing a machine-gun is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment without parole. Possessing or making a machine-gun, sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, silencer or destructive device without a permit is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonm

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  • Lone StrangerFebruary 11, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    Action Hero rides again.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 11, 2013 - 3:09 pm

    So Richurd, have you ever been convicted for your self professed illegal drug use? Sounds like you, as both a drug user and "assault weapon" owner, are the one we should be concerned about. You are a walking dichotomy, dude (btw, "dichotomy" does NOT refer to the appendages of anyone named Tommy).

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  • RichardFebruary 11, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Unfortunately the NRAs goal is to sell more guns, and their reasoning revolves around that premise. Body counts are for others to consider, not the NRA's concern.

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  • boozyFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    Ted, you did not mention a common thread with 10 of the last 10 mass murders. You did mention though a bushmaster 223 which you seem certain was used. Myself, I have been following this carefully and to date we have never received a coroners report which would disclose what caliber bullet was used by this murderer. So at this point, lets put the Bushmaster on the back burner because in reality it is a non issue. I own several AR15's and believe me, those non informed people who say it is not a hunting rifle, I have to tell them they do not know what they are talking about. Every year I use a 50 caliber Beowulf using a 250 grain hollowpoint to knock down a charging boar. Stops them dead in their tracks everytime. Oh, back to my point, the one common factor in each case, all of these murderers were either on or getting off of Zoloft or Prozac. Now tell me Ted...where is the problem? With the guns or with the drugs.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 11, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    A 250 grain 50 caliber? Now that’s special, boozy!

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  • RichardFebruary 11, 2013 - 8:50 pm

    Boozy, I agree with you, lets wait for the coroner’s report, it obvious the State Police, who no doubt already have the report, have their own agenda and have made false statements. Also, I like the story about the charging boar; does that happen to you often? You say you own five AR-15s and you recommend them for hunting and others who are non-informed don’t know what their talking about. Also, you know for a fact that all of these murderers were either on or getting off of Zoloft or Prozac, so it’s a mental health and not a gun problem. I get the feeling your just another gun nut Boozy, who doesn’t really care about the damage guns do in our society. I bet you even feel the event at Sandy Hook was just sum “Stupid kids, getting in the way of a madman with a gun.”

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  • EvelynFebruary 11, 2013 - 9:08 pm

    Ending the day with a little humor: Remember that delicious Nancy Pelosi Obamacare line, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.” Well . . . reportedly it has been discovered that O'care legislation contains a provision that says the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 12, 2013 - 8:57 am

    School teacher from Connecticut murdered in class room with bow and arrow. Assailant then stabs himself to death with a knife. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/02/man-killed-father-in-wyoming-college-bow-and-arrow-murder-suicide-attack/ I can't make it up. What's wrong with the crazies in Connecticut. I am watching pig eradication via helicopter and AK-47 shotgun on TV. Back ground music is Vogner. I'm getting flash backs.

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2013 - 9:27 am

    Ken: I see the article is dated Dec. 1, 2012 - before Sandy Hook. Somehow I missed the backlash calling to register all purchasers/owners of bows and arrows. Perhaps Richard could fill us in. By the way, is there a NB&A Association?

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 12, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Our society has no mental health social safety net. And we all can thank the ACLU.

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2013 - 9:54 am

    Actually, mental health care cuts began in the Reagan administration. HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 12, 2013 - 10:05 am

    "Within 30 days of taking office, Pres. Reagan, in conjunction with the office of budget management, announced it would cut the funding of the National Institute of Mental Health, a division of the National Institute of Health since 1947, formed specifically to deal with these issues. Then in 1982, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act was created, and the Mental Health Systems Act was merged into it. This dissected the programs into block grants, with less federal money earmarked for the states. The states then exerted discretionary control over the use of the funds, using them as they saw fit, creating the Ronald Reagan concept of “new federalism.” ... Reagan had gutted all monies available for mental health, along with numerous other areas with regards to entitlement programs, and the public outcry was greater in response for things that appeared to matter more than mental health issues at the time." - HERE

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 12, 2013 - 10:32 am

    Yes and in the '60's at the behest of the democrat controlled assembly and senate, Reagan spearheaded the de facto elimination of state controlled "insane asylums" and orphanages. Those have been replaced with foster care, parks and bridge underpasses.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 12, 2013 - 10:40 am

    LINK - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Governor of California, 1967–1975‎

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:01 am

    Actually, dumping the orphanage thing in favor of foster homes was a step in the right direction. It's still far from a perfect system though.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:25 am

    Paddy, we as a society need to evaluate the current foster care system. Technically speaking from one who know? CPS sucks. We can do better.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:32 am

    Ken, "CPS sucks". Boy Howdy. Working with them is like dancing with the devil.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:35 am

    **BREAKING NEWS** KRTV Montana, Emergency Broadcast System message: "Dead bodies are rising from their graves" in several Montana counties. The alert claimed the bodies were "attacking the living" and warned people not to "approach or apprehend these bodies as they are extremely dangerous."........And you thought WE had problems! Beware!!! http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ODD_ZOMBIE_BROADCAST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-02-11-19-46-16

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:41 am

    Now obviously, this "zombie phenomenon" might be new in Montana, but this has been going on with regularity for years in places like Chicago, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. It occurs roughly every Four years in November. The zombies don't attack people though, they just vote, sometimes multiple times, then go back to their holes in the ground and ACORN volunteers re-bury them.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 12, 2013 - 12:09 pm

    Paddy, one of these days the hacking will not be "funny" - LINK - 'Zombie Alert' Also Aired In Michigan; Hacking Traced To Overseas Source

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  • Concerned CitizenFebruary 12, 2013 - 4:17 pm

    I am so sick of this! "...shall not be infringed." What is in your liberal brains? We want to uphold the Constitution and our God given rights and we're called gun nuts by you people. I am pro second amendmdnt because I don't want to be raped, murdered or robbed - I don't want to be a defenseless woman! I refuse to be a victim! So, teach me a lesson, because of some left wing lunatics who are unhinged and commit gun crimes in Gun Free Zones, and as a result I should have to be permitted to buy ammunition, finger printed and so forth? Why should innocent law abiding citizens be disarmed? Where is the connection for you gun grabbing control freaks? Registration then confiscation. read your history, please! I have an idea! How about no Gun Free Zones! If liberals had their way, all criminals would have guns and America would be one huge Gun Free Zone where all of us would be sitting ducks and victims! Just like the school, the mall and the theater! You may love being a victim, but I don't and I refuse to be! Stop attacking and picking and choosing the amendments you like or don't like! Our founders were brilliant and God gave us rights the government can't take away! Maybe if you're nice, I'll even save your sorry liberal butts one day with my mean scary gun. Back off and try to use common sense! Gun control is NOT common sense. Liberals think they're so smart when they cant even logically think themselves out of a box! Perhaps all you government control freaks can visit Chavez and his beautiful country and stay the hell there and leave the rest of us alone!! The second amendment preserves the first! This is supposed to be America! I will NEVER be a victim. From my cold, dead hands....

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  • RichardFebruary 12, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America GunLaws.com Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did. Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens." I'm in the gun business and I dont need to care what affect these guns have on my community.

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  • RichardFebruary 12, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Concerned citizen: This is America and no one wants to be a victim or have their gun taken away. As for guns being your God given right, maybe your Sunday school teacher was wrong about that. One thing I’m certain of, if you start spraying the country side with your assault weapon because you think the Obama Administration is wrong about just about everything, your gun will be taken from your cold dead hands, and that solves nothing.

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  • Concerned CitizenFebruary 12, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    Richard: has anyone told you what an imbecile you are? Go do something productive. You are antithetical to America. I've seen your asinine posts elsewhere and I've already wasted too much time on you.

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  • JayFebruary 12, 2013 - 10:58 pm

    When I hear that idiot Piers Morgan or any other Liberal asking the question "Give me one reason why you should own an AR-15?" The answer from everyone should be "FOR PROTECTION!!!!" "Now shut the %$#% Up and don't ask again because I gave you the one reason that you asked for" How hard is that folks? Seriously.

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  • DarrinFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:14 pm

    Jay, PROTECTION from what? WHO??? And once all the gun totin' nut jobs have AK's then you will need a bazooka, and once again, everyone will get bazooka, then tanks, NUKES... where the hell does it end?

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  • JayFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:22 pm

    Darwin. I don't have to tell your little Lib brain who. Not playing your stupid games. For protection!! If you can't figure that out then maybe you should not breed. Just saying

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  • Devil in the DetailsFebruary 12, 2013 - 11:51 pm

    @Darrin Jay is right. For Protection is the answer. You have a false assumption that you have to have something bigger and better than who might be attacking you. And BTW, it ends when you stop trying to take away our god given rights.

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  • EvelynFebruary 17, 2013 - 11:18 am

    "The Sandy Hook Tragedy: An Inquisitive Visit to Newtown, Connecticut" - HERE

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