Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Infringement

EDITOR:

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution assures free speech and the right of citizens to express opinions and basically say what we please. The Supreme Court reviewed the language of this amendment many times and concluded that there is a reasonable limit to this freedom. For example, a person cannot infringe on the rights of others by falsely screaming ”fire” in a crowded theater.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution assures the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It seems appropriate, even necessary, that there should be some limit to this right if the rights of others are being infringed upon. Being killed and wounded by high-powered assault weapons in the hands of deranged people would appear to be an infringement.

DON VANDERKAR
Placerville

 

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 14, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    Don, the US Supreme Court appears to disagree with you: 2008-"We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it "shall not be infringed." As we said in United States v. Cruikshank , 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed..." US Supreme Court, Heller Decision ....But hey,what do they know, they're just a bunch of old fogies wearing funny clothes.

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 18, 2013 - 8:51 am

    The modern liberal cares not for the case law or recent Supreme Court decisions that have recently upheld the individual right to bear arms. They also seem to forget that automatic weapons, the true "Assault Rifle" were outlawed in the 1930's after the outlaw gangs like Bonnie and Clyde used them to rob banks. The fake liberal media creation of the modern semi-auto as the "Assault Rifle" carries ignorance and allows the sinister meaning they want to convey regardless of the fact it is false. It used to be the media drive to define and ban the "Saturday Night Special" instead of locking up the armed felon, it has really worked well in places like Chicago. As long as liberals refuse to focus on the armed felon and mentally ill as the bad actors with guns, nothing will be solved except for creating new laws that will make the law abiding citizen the target. What people need to realize is that our citizens at times will face the same criminals as our law officers and these felons are well armed. How many times have people seen a table full of guns seized from a felon and usually found in drug production in rural areas. Law officers are under no duty to proactively protect anyone they are after the fact reactive and have a response time that varies close to 30 minutes or more in many rural areas. Disarming the law abiding is as wrong a focus as suggesting the same for local law enforcement who face the same criminal element.

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  • made up termFebruary 18, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    hey don, can you explain what an assault weapon is? i bet you cant, other then some made up term from the media.

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  • TerryFebruary 18, 2013 - 4:38 pm

    The limitations on freedom of speech are all after the fact. You can yell fire in a theater but will be held responsible after the fact. Same goes with libel. You are not prevented from such speech. As such, all individuals who respect others and the law are not impacted by the restrictions on speech. With respect to gun rights, the proposed bans are before the fact. Law abiding citizen’s rights are being removed prior to them committing any crimes. The fact that the overwhelming majority of gun owners do not commit crimes with guns is well documented. The speech equivalent of this would be removal of one’s tongue.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 18, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    With the logic of the rights of others being killed or wounded being in play by the democrat socialist, wouldn't everything then be abolished? Golf balls kill and wound. Chain saws and beavers too. What about those dangerous bicycle riders. There have been hundreds of innocent Americans who have had their rights infringed upon based on Vanderkar's logic. What about all the injury's brought about by horses? Or airplanes that have crashed into innocent people? Gee their "rights" by his logic has been infringed for sure. Thus it all goes hand in hand with the "rights" of the unknown American citizen being listed to defend our government telling you what to drink and how much to eat because Obama care pays for our health care. Us fat people are infringing on he rights of other Americans. Well America asked for it, they got it.

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  • RichardFebruary 18, 2013 - 9:15 pm

    Earlier this week, NRA leader and cofirmed nut-cake Wayne LaPierre wrote a giddily bat**** insane column opining that what we need around here is more guns, all the time, everywhere, because you never know when the zombie apocalypse is going to wander off the nearest bus and where will your government be then, hmm? As partial defense of his premise, he used Hurricane Sandy as an example of a situation where people really, really ought to have hauled off and shot some folks: This guy will say anything to sell more guns and whats really insane, our local nuts agree with him. Screw the NRA

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  • billzzFebruary 18, 2013 - 11:03 pm

    The SIG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44, literally "storm (or assault) rifle (model of 1944") was an assault rifle developed in Nazi Germany during World War II. The Russians took the design for the AK-47 which became the next "assault rifle." The word meant something at the time, but has since been used for almost any rifle that has a "switch" for semi or full automatic fire. The actual weapon was a "spray and pray" kind of weapons, not very accurate, but could be effective in the hands of (usually illiterate) troops that were hastily drafted, received little marksmanship training, and sent to the front, where they were not expected to return. I had several stashed under my bunk in Vietnam, used for trading purposes (but only as something one would mount on a board.) I never fired one because of their inaccuracy, and also the odd lot would blow up in the firer's face. Anyway the media did take the term and apply it to almost anything, but the original assault rifles were nothing that you would want to go hunting with. Hopefully this helps someone.

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  • RichardFebruary 19, 2013 - 6:19 am

    Earlier this week, NRA leader and cofirmed nut-cake Wayne LaPierre wrote a giddily bat-shiit insane column opining that what we need around here is more guns, all the time, everywhere, because you never know when the zombie apocalypse is going to wander off the nearest bus and where will your government be then, hmm? As partial defense of his premise, he used Hurricane Sandy as an example of a situation where people really, really ought to have hauled off and shot some folks: This guy will say anything to sell more guns, and whats insane is a small mob in our community believe him honest.-Screw the NRA!

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  • EvelynFebruary 19, 2013 - 8:09 am

    This is the article Richard (above) references.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 19, 2013 - 8:34 am

    It's word not mine bat-shiit Richard is practicing Saul Alinsky's, practice of isolate and demonize a political opponent.

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Ken-Richard has isolated himself with his agressive missives.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 19, 2013 - 10:31 am

    is there any point to richard's filthy mouth?

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 11:31 am

    Richard, here's a couple for ya. I'm sure you've heard Colorado State Rep. Joe Salazar(D) recommendations to women that are about to be raped (or possibly killed). His representative belief is that women should not be allowed to carry and conceal because a woman really doesn't understand what is happening during a rape and could make a mistake and shoot an innocent person. He says women can't be trusted to make the right decision. His insightful suggestion for women that are about to be raped is to blow a whistle, run to a call box or run into a safe zone but absolutely DO NOT defend yourself with a gun. Another good one you may love Richard is that the University of Colorado wants women that are about to be raped to vomit or urinate on the attacker and if the victim has the time to talk with her attacker she needs to explain that she has a venereal disease or is menstruating. I can almost hear your little pea brain thinking that all of these sound like pretty good ideas vs. using a gun. I wondered if you were to ask your wife, daughter, niece and or granddaughter to use these types of deterrents vs. a gun what they would say?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 11:37 am

    DB - (an aside) - THIS FORUM REQUIRES NO PHYSICAL FITNESS PROGRAM. Everyone here gets enough exercise: 1) Jumping to conclusions. 2) Flying off the handle. 3) Carrying things too far. 4) Dodging responsibilities and 5) Pushing their luck.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 11:41 am

    Phil, excellent summation of the goings on in this thread. Well done.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 11:48 am

    Uh, I was speaking to my friend Richard.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 11:49 am

    DB, I've never been raped and hope to never be. The problem with these secondary solutions is that rape ofter leads to the killing of the victim, so my recommendation to a woman carrying heat is to use your weapon. When the cops interview you post event, the key phrase is "I was in fear of my life." DB, know what just happened, I just agreed with you (my peep).

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 11:58 am

    Colonel, quite honestly regarding this topic I would of bet money that you would of agreed. My interest is what would a guy like Richard who is so anti-gun, suggest for his loved ones to do under those circumstances.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:09 pm

    DB - I just can't seem to mind my own business. I try. I can't. I would offer a hollow apology . . . but . . . uh . . . hollow? . . . nah . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    OH! I remember now. . . hollow point!

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    I'm working here Phil so please mind your own business.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    HEY! . . . It's a rainy day . . .

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:21 pm

    My so called hallow points have been easy to follow. 1. What would an anti-gun guy suggest to the women in his family to do in a rape situation? 2. Why is it that the colonel keeps griping about not knowing Dee's last name and yet we don't even know his buddies real first or last name? Just wondering....

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    DB, what buddy? Give me more information. Oh, you mean Richard? Sorry, I have no idea.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    Popping corn . . .

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 12:28 pm

    ADDED: He is my buddy in respect to his being a combat Marine Corps veteran. I have tremendous respect for Marines. Semper Fi Marines. Our Devil Dogs (named by the Germans in WWI).

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 12:31 pm

    Peeps, I'm going out into the cold world now -- I hope I make it back. Yes, there will be warm popcorn in my future when I return.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:34 pm

    It's obvious why I rest 1/2 of my hollow points. Good Afternoon.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 19, 2013 - 1:11 pm

    "Richard" is not a Marine. Just a shill working for the democrat socialist.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 2:03 pm

    LINK - 1/2 yer HOLLOW POINTS

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 19, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    Mr Sandness, a question for you. Do you really own an SKS rifle? Why would anyone that knows you and your hatred of the 2nd amendment give you one?It seems all you do is try to demonize the NRA. Was that the action item given to you by the democrat socialist in our county?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 19, 2013 - 5:18 pm

    Been out for several hours in the snow dodging dumb flatlanders facing the wrong direction and nosed into 12 inch snowbanks all up and down 50. VERY frustrating. But now that I'm home and I find you're all talking about one of MY favorite peeps //sarcasm off now// Richurd, I'll weigh in. I don't believe he's anything he says he is. He may not even be a he. Too many inconsistencies to what he has said (too many to list) not to mention his numerous aliases (at least 6, Jeff, Heather, Assault Weapon, Marine, and others). He is most likely a shill as Ken says working this forum. He probably doesn't even live here, which is why he has silently declined any opportunity to meet myself or DB face to face. If he were a real Marine, he would accept. Numerous organizations have trolls like this working various forums to try to sway public opinion. Problem with Richurd is, he's not very good at it. I'll extend my offer again to Richurd to meet and prove he's a real man. Dollars to donuts, he won't even respond.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 19, 2013 - 5:21 pm

    OBTW, Crazy Uncle Joe says "buy a shotgun!" http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-buy-shotgun-buy-shotgun_702989.html

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  • Ty PetersFebruary 19, 2013 - 8:47 pm

    I see im not the only one who can't stand these NRA wankers in our community, or to be honest any other people who advocate and speak for guns being a good thing. Unless you're a farmer, or in the police or military I don't think theres any call for them. I mean why do you need them? Personal protection? The problem with these kind of laws is its all subjective.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    A wanker? Really? the very first post you make is by using a British euphemism? Ty Peters can't stand anyone who advocates the 2nd amendment of OUR constitution. Can't say that I care for his pompous ass either. Who else besides Richard from the Eldorado County democrat socialist party wants to weigh in with their love of big government?

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    I was just passing by and was going to shut this thing off and saw "wanker". You little punk as#$%^&. It doesn't sound like this is your kind of community you dumbas#4&^6^. Can I invite you out for a cup of tea? I'll buy.

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  • Ty PetersFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    I know two men in El Dorado County who with the uncommon name of Paddy: the first is married has 4 or 5 kids and runs a gun shop. The second is married has 5 kids and is a cop in the bay area. I’m confidant the weird person who keeps posting on this site is not the cop. Quit hiding behind your keyboard Paddy, its time to come out, weird gun person!

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    TP, are you hiding behind your keyboard? I've invited you out for tea.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:39 pm

    OK TP I waited and gave it 10 minute rule and no reply so I'm sure well tag up later....

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  • Ty PetersFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:54 pm

    A poofter who likes guns inviting me out for tea, I'll pass.

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  • Christine PittFebruary 19, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    It seems the NRA guys have the stance "let us meet guns with guns"... Personally, I wouldn't like to attend a school where the police have to constantly be alert and have permission to open fire on school grounds. I think the availability of guns and ammunition in the US is certainly a contributing factor to the high rate of gun crime, perhaps the US should strengthen gun laws - I bet the heads of the NRA would be saying different if their children's blood was being wiped from the walls of their school. It is a disgrace to all of those who have lost their lives at the hands of school gunmen that nothing has been learnt.

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  • Lib-busterFebruary 20, 2013 - 7:48 am

    We happily defend all our politicians, banks, celebrities, sporting events jewelry stores, factories, office buildings and courthouses all with guns, but thanks to Liberal logic our most prized possession, OUR CHILDREN, we protect with a sign that reads "GUN FREE ZONE"....Of course reasonable minded people know lunatics only see this as an invitation to shoot up schools, so when they do, who do we call???...People with a guns...I once thought Liberals were just people who thought a little different from the rest, now I see their simply a "special kind" of stupid......

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