Wednesday, April 16, 2014

It’s about freedom


In regards to Sylvia Medley’s question in her letter published in the Jan. 16 edition of the Mountain Democrat concerning her banter with Mr. Edger Brown as to why large capacity clips are necessary, I wish to state the answer that everyone seems to ignore, but is well known in the hearts of freedom-loving Americans. The purpose is, to have the means to overthrow a tyrannical government should the occasion arise, as it did prior to the Revolutionary War. At the time the 2nd Amendment was ratified this country had just overthrown a tyrannical government with the arms in the possession of the people at the time. It’s not about shooting sports or hunting, or gun collecting. It’s simply about freedom. More people are killed with automobiles than with guns every year but do we ban automobiles? No, why, because we need them, and the bloodshed by careless drivers is tragic, but yet somehow justified. Same principal. A gun cannot load itself and walk itself to a school and open fire by itself, any more than a car can drive itself into a full school bus.

Making something illegal to own, or possess only expands the black market value. Prohibition didn’t work. Do you actually think someone couldn’t go into South Sacramento or Stockton and buy on today’s black market all the high-capacity clips they want, or even a full auto weapon, or worse? Banning or confiscation is not the answer, the answer is in human behavior. Oklahoma City, or the WTC Twin Towers, no guns were used. If I could press a button and make all the guns in the world disappear forever, would I do it? Of course not. People who wanted to kill people would just use something else to do it with, probably something worse. But if I could push a button and make all the people in the world who want to kill people disappear forever, I would.

As for the National Rifle Association. The remark made about the “NRA’s only suggestion to preventing another massacre is placing armed guards,” really has no more common sense to it than asking the United Auto Workers Union to prevent drunk drivers. The NRA is an organization formed with the primary purpose of protecting the rights of American Citizens to keep and bear arms as prescribed by the Second Amendment. But it has no obligation to manage, police, or produce solutions to the behavior of killers, or criminals of any description, nor the vested power to do so.

Diamond Springs

Letters to the Editor


Discussion | 62 comments

  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 20, 2013 - 11:45 am

    Sir: Freedom to own guns? No problem. Freedom to drive a car? Sure, but there certainly are restrictions. Freedom to drink alcohol? Sure, but there certainly are restrictions. Freedom of speech? Well, there are some limitations. I know gun enthusiasts believe they're going to have to defend themselves against a government, maybe ours, someday. But the government will always have the best, most weapons. Or are you all waiting for the day when you can have them too? Is 20 rounds the limit? Or no limit? I want to see assault weapons banned, along with other necessary changes that might, just maybe, prevent nut jobs with guns from wiping out a roomful of people several times a year. And, by the way, the NRA offered that ridiculous suggestion, even though they didn't have to.

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  • DarrinJanuary 22, 2013 - 6:59 pm

    The firearm homicide rate in the United States is 19.5 times higher than in other high-income countries. If the penalty for not securing them in your home or carrying one in public was so great, people wouldn't. Very few criminals would carry a gun if the penalty just for having loaded, in public, was a 10-20K fine and/or years in jail. Would you? Yes, the cat is out of the bag, so should the citizens sit back and do nothing? I do not think more guns are the answer to a safer society. If that were the case, then the US would already be the safest in the world. Unfortunately, it is not. Less than 3200 people died in the 1995 OKC and 2001 WTC bombings. Since then, more than 10,000 US Citizens have died per year from firearms in the US. 17 years - more than 170,000 American Citizens have died from firearms.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2013 - 6:23 am

    Sylvia, lets not outlaw the automobile just restict its capable speed to 25 mph. That is the same logic as how many rounds a magazine can hold. Lets do it for the children because it will save lives. And your freedom is second to being safe. You cannot be trusted to own and operate such a dangerous devise as an automobile so the government needs to limit the amount of damage you are capable of producing with it. Welcome to the world of incrementalism. The freedoms you surrender today are just a drop in the bucket to the freedoms you are told to do without tomorrow.

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 25, 2013 - 8:37 am

    Again...How long does take to switch out a 10 rnd mag....2 seconds...3? Shouldn't these grand know it all politicians concentrate on going after the gangs and criminals they have been coddling instead of making decent law abiding citizens pay the price? Hillary says..."It just Doesn't matter..." just a thought.

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 25, 2013 - 10:19 am

    Cookie65: You're comparing a car against a gun, one on one? Ridiculous. Currently, cars are necessary, assault weapons aren't. Cars aren't designed specifically for killing. Guns are. Restrictive laws are necessary because people are sometimes careless, stupid, evil, insane, or under the influence. The gun nut mass murderers who have used assault weapons have been hoarders of guns, owners of arsenals. Yet your freedom to own as many guns as you can afford is not in question.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2013 - 10:21 am

    Just one more example of the ruling class exempting themselves from the laws neccessary to control the rest of us.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2013 - 10:32 am

    Sylvia, guns are designed specifically for shooting. The same way cars are specifially designed for driving. Both become dangerous depending on the operator. How are cars neccessary? Humans survived longer without them than with them. The gun provides more usefulness for survival than the car. Why don't you want your automotive rights restricted but you want my gun rights resticted? Get over it. The second amendment is very clear on MY rights to keep and bear arms and shall NOT be infrindged. The Constitution says nothing about your right to own a car.

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  • chrispytahoeJanuary 25, 2013 - 10:40 am

    No to get all high and mighty here, but I have traveled and lived all over the world. I assure you, Americans are not free. Not any more. We are controlled in so many ways. Some obvious,like gun control, some in much more subtle ways like engineered food and legalized drug pushers in the form of big Pharma and doctors. Yet many Americans proclaim this is the greatest country on Earth! Take a look where we rank in terms of quality of life, education, health, longevity. Amerika is a failing experiment, sad to say.

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  • Dink LaneJanuary 25, 2013 - 2:38 pm

    Freedom doesn't come free.... If you want to protect your right to having, keeping or owning guns.... there comes a responsibility. Soldiers do NOT get their weapons WITHOUT TRAINING.... Law Enforcement does NOT get their weapons WITHOUT TRAINING.... Yet, an 18-year-old can buy 53 weapons at a VA gun show -- Un-checked -- paid (Drug Cartel) cash put them in his car and drove them down to Mexico (ATF Congressional testimony) -- BECAUSE ALEC pushed for NO back-ground checks at gun shows...... Stop the Screaming gun owners.... Stop the yelling and look at the FACTS.... the NRA in 1992 did NOT want Guns near schools, did NOT want Crazies to own one. They were a group to be proud of...... NOW the gun owners have dropped all common sense.... This is NUTS!

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 25, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    Sylvia, Dink, Darrin; you're in good company with the Communist Party USA. Did you know that? In a January 18 article, People’s World, an official publication of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), declared that “the ability to live free from the fear or threat of gun violence is a fundamental democratic right — one that far supercedes any so-called personal gun rights allegedly contained in the Second Amendment.” Way to go guys.

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  • Just leave then.January 25, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    This last post should move to Mexico like his candidate Mitts family did. Dude, your disconnected, out of step, an NRA member and you don’t seem to have a thing to contribute to our country, just leave if you don’t like it here and take your right wing I want to be noticed and admired sheriff with you.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    Just Leave Then, who should go? Those who support the founding of this country based on liberty or those who feel the need to change it? Any thinking person knows that there are plenty of places that already suits your need for oppressive government and only one place that people risk 90 miles of open ocean in a bathtub to reach. Wouldn't it be simpler for you to venture on to any number of places that offer everything you are looking for and allow America to remain America? If you can't handle the freedom America is based on and believe we are better off having intellectual midgets make all of our decisions for us I will take up a collection for a one-way ticket to some socialist utopia so you can find happiness.

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 25, 2013 - 6:16 pm

    Cookie65: assault weapons are designed specifically for killing people. Currently, people need transportation more than they need guns. We're in 2013 here. I have no problem whatsoever with my driving rights being restricted. Your right to own guns may be restricted. Just like your 1st Amendment rights are restricted. And I'm not sure what I'm supposed to "get over." My issue with assault weapons puts me with the majority in this country.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Sylvia, do tell, what is an assault weapon? Is it a beebee gun, a slingshot, a dull knife, a baseball bat, nunchucks, concrete shoes, a drunk driver behind the wheel of a 4,000 lbs. automobile. You'll have to be more specific cause I don't watch leftist media so I am not hip to the dirty names they give to things because they have a scary appearance.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 25, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    Sylvia, tell me what I can do to make to a happy girl. I own a Ruger Mini 14 Rancher and a Springfield Armory M1A, amongst other cool stuff. I bought them legally, shoot them legally and store them in a safe. What can I do that will make you and Dink and Ashley and the other ladies happy? What do you want me, as a gun owner, to do that will lower the crime rate, make America safer, and set your minds at ease?

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  • Which is it?January 25, 2013 - 7:13 pm

    Cookie, extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into 2 groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. I would guess from your comments you belong to both groups # 1 and # 2, what say you?

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2013 - 7:13 pm

    "Shock claim: Obama only wants military leaders who 'will fire on U.S. citizens'" - HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    VIDEO (21 Min)- "Is Obama purging the Military of Soldiers who are unwilling to fire on American Citizens?" - HERE

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  • clleaJanuary 25, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    Sylvia, your questions, ideas and concerns are honest and legitimate. They do represent the majority in America at this time. Also, understand that if you have any pro-government questions, ideas or concerns you will be going against the paranoid, anti-government breed that are arming themselves to fight their dreams of war with the government. It gives them purpose and they will verbally attack if you do not defend their bubble. As you have gotten a taste, for one, Cookie65 is an anti-government member. Really, do not feed the beast, pay her no mind. And, Evelyn....really? I think you may be kinda possessed/taken over to the stupid side, sadly.

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 25, 2013 - 10:07 pm

    Well, there seems to be no shortage of apparatchiks voicing their party line here does there? Isn't it interesting that there are so many letters here on gun control , like in many papers across the country? What I find fascinating is that people like Sylvia and these no name contributers (Cowards to not use their own name)Seem so self rightous and offended by people who actually own guns and contribute to this country. God forbid they have the gall to want to keep their country from being hijacked by mindless idiot politicians. I would be curious how many of you who are so offended by guns would rethink your position if you lived say ...on E 14th street in Hayward or farther down in Oakland? How would you do in the eastside or south of Chicago? Hmm? ( I have resided in these places) No, that would scare the crap out of you wouldn't it? It's easy to pontificate when your safe and snug in suburbia...Thats not even the half of it really. This Government, these creatons some of you elected have an agenda. It's to control you. If your good with that then you fit the title of 'apparatchiks'. THAT is not what this country was founded on. Those of us that fight and rail against this idiocy that passes for a president and his administration, we see farther down the road than your near sighted 'take my freedom and privacy so I can feel safe' mentality. So please, feel free to whine, rage, and act like petulant liberals. You can thank us later for covering your ass.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 6:35 am

    Which is it, why would you accuse me of the lefts favorite word? Are you a complete moron and that exemplifies the depth of your understanding? Are you so intellectually obtuse that you cannot possibly conceive of any limitations on the federal government. Here is a little history lesson for you. The framers of the Constitution debated at length whether or not to even esablish a federal government because of the exact reasons we are witnessing today. The fact that at some time in the future it would assume powers never granted or intended for it. There were a whole bunch of essays written on the subject known as the Federalist Papers. The only thing I HATE is the leftist desire to assign everyone to a group. I am an individual. NOT a group. Politically I am an ANTI-leftist. Intellectually you are a lemming.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 6:44 am

    One more thing. The very same people who wrote the Constitution were more anti-government than I am. Have you not ever read anything they had to say? I guess that is why someone of your limitations assigns "hate" to everything you have no understanding of. Can you hear the sound of your brain smacking against the inside of your forehead when ever you come to stop to quickly? Everytime I wonder 'how did the world turn upside down' I come across someone like you to answer it for me. If your brains were gas you wouldn't have enough to drive a sugar ants go-cart around the inside of a cheerio.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 6:56 am

    cllea, “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” ― Benjamin Franklin

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 26, 2013 - 9:16 am

    Cookie, I was gonna say something about cllea...but I think you got that covered touche'!

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Thanks Tom but I don't think I am done yet. Cllea, if you consider me to be anti-government, actually your issue with me is I am anti-leftist, anti-socialism, anti-collectivism, you should read the entire text of the Declaration of Independence. Those guys were anti-government and because of their view on centralized government you live in a country were you wake up everyday with the exact same freedoms I have. When you read it imagine that these subjects of the British Empire not only were slapping the Monarch, King George, the ruler of the most powerful empire on the planet at that time, in the face with a glove but the glove had a shovel in it. Wake up to the reality that the freest place in the history of civilizations came about because of people who were ANTI-GOVERNMENT. I realize for people like you government is your security blanket and standing on your own two feet is thought to be unfair and puts you at a disadvantage because of people who have marketable skills and a work ethic but they owe you nothing. Answer this question: is wealth spread by creating more of it, or is wealth spread by confiscating more of it? If you don't know the answer to that question it is because you don't want to.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 10:15 am

    Do you know why John Hancock signed his name so big on the Declaration of Independence? King George was nearly blind and he wanted to make sure he could see it. He was taunting him. IN HIS FACE. John Hancock, Paul Revere and Samual Adams were all on King George's most wanted list facing capital punishment by the redcoats. These guys were devoting their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to win your liberty. What so many of you don't understand, have never learned or couldn't be bothered with regarding the founding of this country would fill the Encyclopedia Britannica. Lt. Col. William Barret Travis the Texas Commander at the Alamo who lead 166 men against Santa Ana's 6,000 troops wrote "I shall never surrender or retreat.. Victory or Death. The Alamo is the birthplace of Texas freedom. Everyone in America owes a debt of gratitude to these and countless others in American history. What a shame that so many would trade what so many paid for in exchange for a handout.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 26, 2013 - 10:22 am

    "Civilian National Security Force" Obomba speech in Boulder, Colorado July 2, 2008.

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  • clleaJanuary 26, 2013 - 10:26 am

    I am not disappointed.

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  • Foamie Mouth®January 26, 2013 - 10:36 am

    cllea never disappoints with her entertainment-loaded opinions.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 11:31 am

    I am not disappointed either. I have found over the years that once a lockstep, mindnumb, groupthink, school of fish, copy of a copy of a copy leftist runs out of talking points they have been trained to repeat and have exhausted all of their typical accusations of bigotry and hatred they usually take their ball and run home without answering a single question that requires any independent thought.

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 26, 2013 - 11:55 am

    Cookie65: Oh, boy, do I know what media you watch! I got that! Wipe the froth off your face while I say it 1 more time. If you have to believe that any form of gun restriction is a slippery slope that will lead to blah blah blah, go ahead! If you like living in your dark paranoid tyrannical government fantasies, go ahead! Your breed has had its way long enough. A little sanity is long overdue.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 26, 2013 - 12:05 pm

    Just wanted to remind the radical left that there will be a California Gun Show event on February 1 and 2 at the Placerville Fair Grounds. I hope to see that little fink Jeff (the one with the FBI buddy) standing out front with his protest sign. I don't really know what he looks like but I think I'll be able to spot him. He'll be the one getting out of the pink Prius with the pony tail and Birkenstocks. I hope I don't accidentally step on one of his curled up yellow toe nails with my cowboy boots. See you there Jeff, you little braggart fink.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 1:28 pm

    DB, besides the pink prius you identify an obama voter in a crowd by looking for anyone who looks like they just ate a lemon. And Sylvia, my "breed" is what keeps you from waking up under tyranny. Even if you lack the understanding of ALL of human history to realize it. All of human history is earmarked by individuals, groups or governments whose claim to fame is the conquering, extermination or enslaving of other peoples. How it is that leftists believe that those types of people no longer exist and it can no longer happen is beyond me. Enlightenment requires no actual knowledge or understanding just a bunch of happy thoughts.

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  • Red BirkensJanuary 26, 2013 - 1:48 pm

    Cookie- you sure have your work cut out for you, considering how you and your buddies got your tails handed to you in the last election. Have fun in your bunker.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    Good news, the state can now cancel the fire fee.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 26, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    Sylvia, are you avoiding me? I asked you some questions above in this thread. I've asked a lot of direct questions on here of other lefties who were uncomfortable with them and ran and hid. Shall we lump you in with them?

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  • DB SmithJanuary 26, 2013 - 2:07 pm

    Sorry to break it to you Red but we'll end up bailing your 6's out just like always. You guys really think you've won but in real time reality we've all lost. Enjoy what you think you have and quit being such a piss poor sore winner.

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 2:11 pm

    Red, offering jobs and opportunity in America no longer competes with a candidate who will spend a trillion dollars on entitlements. If you call that progess then you don't understand what a house of cards becomes in a slight breeze. Here is the latest from obama's school of politics.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 26, 2013 - 2:24 pm

    Well said DB. See ya at the show.

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  • MartinJanuary 26, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    Cookie and the rest of the right, the left are dependent people that thrive on welfare and would not know what to do if their world was downsized. The ones that don’t receive help have all the money and a good government job, they can set out any monetary failure to the system, they don’t care whether or not self starters and freedom lovers have any freedom; they are secure in their little bubble. If it wasn’t for the welfare program no democrat would ever get elected to office, they thrive and depend on those that receive instead of the ones that give. Only a true freedom loving American would want to have little government as the founders of this great nation wished. Big government is the reason that we are in the fix that we are in now; so all of you grantees stick your head in the sand and kiss your freedom bye because by the time the next election comes around America will be bankrupt. Then and then only we may be able to put together a nation that is self sustaining and not dependent on our government for growth, the system will be the incentive for growth. Now I will put on my bullet proof clothing and await tribute from my dear left.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 26, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    Paddy, hope to see you there as well brother!

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  • cookie65January 26, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    Martin, correct you are. The only difference between the welfare obama voters and the public sector obama voters is the public sector obama voters get stuck in traffic and pay union dues.

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 27, 2013 - 8:54 am

    Paddy: I don't give a hoot how many or what kinds of weapons you have. I'm waiting for new laws to pass restricting assault weapons and requiring stiffer background checks, and enforcement of same. When that happens, I would hope you'll continue on your law-abiding course. Since you're the expert on assault weapons, as I am not, you'll know exactly which one you can't buy anymore! It would be nice if background checks included a mental health test to identify gun-obsessed nut job paranoics. But, oh well, first things first.

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  • Foamie Mouth®January 27, 2013 - 9:22 am

    nut job paranoics ........ feels good, hey Sil.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 27, 2013 - 10:37 am

    Sylvia, you want the law abiding tax paying citizen to continue jumping through hoops by adding more regulations while your kind allow illegal immigrates to drive without drivers licenses, break laws including weapon charges while strutting around freely in sanctuary cities and vote without identification. The true criminal and threat to America are people like you.

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  • cookie65January 27, 2013 - 11:13 am

    DB, you read my mind. If it weren't for the leftist take over of our ever declining country we wouldn't have all the problems that enlightenment give birth to. They aren't the answer, they are the problem. Leaving defenseless children protected by a pretty sign "gun-free zone" is just another example of the mental midgets on the left and all their limited thinking only to turn around and blame the law abiding citizens who have always told them how utterly idiotic they are.

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  • clleaJanuary 27, 2013 - 4:04 pm

    DB Smith and Cookie65 (why hide behind Cookie65?) You always have the right answers and every one else, which is the majority of this country are all wrong. "Mental midgets", "the true criminal and threat to America are people like you." Really? Well, that is good to know. Fortunately, the Feds think otherwise. Anarchy is a national threat. Knock, knock, knock.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 27, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    cllea (why hide behind clea?). Sylvia, so you don't think anything needs to be done with the tens of millions of "assault weapons" already in circulation? Just making sure. Some wackos here are talking confiscation. Glad you're not among them. The "C" word has been mentioned in NY too. Hope it doesn't go that far.

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  • clleaJanuary 27, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    Mr. Furniture, clea is my name! Honestly, I have not heard anyone use the "C" word other than in the Mt.Demo commentaries that the extremists have pouted. I hope it doesn't go that far either, but probably for different reasons.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 27, 2013 - 5:33 pm

    cllea, who's there?

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  • Softtail SamJanuary 27, 2013 - 6:26 pm

    The myth of Confiscation is an absolute must for these nut jobs, because without it there is not much to get all worked up about. The President has not advocated nor will he advocate anything but minor, uncontroversial fixes to the gun situation. Even gun advocates will agree that criminals should not have guns, and even anti-gun advocates will acknowledge that criminals will never be completely deterred from obtaining a gun if they are determined. So, for both camps, background checks are an acceptable, if not wholly effective, measure. Since nobody has proposed any confiscatory legislation, the gun paranoiacs must project that confiscation is "the next step", in order to rationalize their hysteria. This fits in just fine with the NRA agenda, which is to advance the interests of the gun manufacturers, not gun owners. Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans desire reasonable controls on firearms, and the infantile Beck and Limbaugh conspiracy addicts will be left to await their imaginary armaggedon.

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  • Alan ManderJanuary 27, 2013 - 6:34 pm

    Nice talk, Martin. Don't forget to cash your Social Security check on your way to the gun show.

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  • cookie65January 27, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    Cllea, if you believe you are in the majority then you are as clueless about the number of gun owners in this country as everything else. Just because the leftist media tells you something doesn't make it true. Besides that the 2nd amendment is not subject to your emotions. Amazing how the mental midgets believe how they feel trumps reality. If you believe the federal government can just assume powers it does not have just cause you want it to, then you literally favor tyranny. People like you astound me, the type of people the power seeking lifetime politicians use for their own personal gain while telling you how they are only looking out for you. The only majority you belong to is the double digit IQ majority.

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  • cookie65January 27, 2013 - 7:37 pm

    Cllea, I found something to help you understand what you see when you look in a mirror.

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  • cookie65January 27, 2013 - 7:46 pm

    Softail, everywhere in America where we not only have "reasonable" gun laws but the most restrictive gun laws we also have the most violent crime. What part of that don't you understand? Everytime a leftists uses the term "reasonable" it is the opposite of what we get. The lefts attack on the 2nd Amendment pre-dates all of the made up demons you guys blame for all of obama's failures.

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  • Softtail SamJanuary 27, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    Please be specific. What specific attack on the 2nd amendment are you referring to?

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  • Elliott PointerJanuary 27, 2013 - 9:23 pm

    Of course, he can't be specific, soft tail. Because there has been no such attack. The President has reaffirmed the right to bear arms. But the extremists see a hidden agenda. They have to. Otherwise, they would have nothing to be PO'd about.

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 27, 2013 - 10:08 pm

    Gee Nothings going, to happen it's ok, all is well! So please tell me why is the Govt buying so many weapons and Bullets??? ..and before you start whining about this link, do the search yourself there are other links. but your left wing govt sponsored CBSNBCABC won;t run this...

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 27, 2013 - 10:09 pm

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  • Elliott PointerJanuary 27, 2013 - 10:20 pm

    No wonder they call you Gibberish. This canard was debunked last year. Look it up yourself. Or don't. Keep believing in the boogie man.

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 27, 2013 - 10:37 pm

    Keep trying Elliot...

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  • Tom GibneyJanuary 27, 2013 - 10:42 pm

    I find it fascinating that you people believe the Govt...fascinating. Always screaming Extremist! at anybody that challenges your BS...Thats ok. The world is still falt keep going...forward.

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COOL School is accepting applications

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Band of Miwoks fund mission

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Crime Log: March 25-27

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Weather stats 4-15-14

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Real Estate




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Flying McCoys

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Speed Bump

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Working It Out

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New York Times Crossword

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Horoscope, Thursday, April 17, 2014

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Horoscope, Wednesday, April 16, 2014

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TV Listings

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