Monday, April 21, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Just another crackpot

EDITOR:

Every year or so, the Mountain Democrat reports on the front page of the paper the same old song-and dance about one-world government from some crackpot. This time it is Kirk MacKenzie with the same old tired phrases and code words of the extreme right-wing.

He speaks of the loss of our rural nature and the need to fight the United Nations who want to control the world, not just Diamond Springs. He uses code phrases like “central bankers” funding the loss of our civil rights, liberty, rural lifestyle and to prevent us from mining.

“Central bankers” and the sinister plot to destroy our way of life is an old anti-semitic ploy he calls the “Agenda.” He argues that we need to fight the “Agenda” to preserve America. He says that all levels of government are bad and should be considered our enemies. We need to band together to fight “the government.”

What are our “rural values” anyway that need to be protected? How are they different from the values of the people living in Portland, Ore.? No “founding father” ever lived in Placerville and in their time everything was rural. These extremist screwballs are never specific about who the bad guys are.

The country is in substantial debt largely because of fighting two unfunded, long wars and the collapse of the real estate market that caused a recession, and not because of a phantom international conspiracy to put us in debt.

Mr. Mackenzie, the government is us. We fight by using the ballot box as our weapons. If you like clean air and water, and pristine forests, thank the voters who passed the ballot propositions for clean air and water. And if you don’t like our environmental laws then blame Lithuania.

HARRY N. ZELINKA

Diamond Springs

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  • EvelynMarch 23, 2013 - 7:15 am

    My goodness, a veritable onslaught on Kirk Mackenzie. Now Harry Zelinka weighs in, with "anti-semitism" to boot!!! Mr. Zelinka, I'm only now beginning to explore DefendRuralAmerica (here). Please point me to the bit on "anti-semitism".

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  • EvelynMarch 23, 2013 - 7:21 am

    Kirk MacKenzie on GOVERNANCE: THE BYPASSING OF REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT - "Representative government is being bypassed by the creation of unelected, unaccountable, non-transparent regional planning bodies that serve the interests of their so-called stakeholders rather than those of the People. This is done by usurping the policy-making authority of legitimate government. The politically correct term for this is governance, as contrasted to government."

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  • EvelynMarch 23, 2013 - 7:31 am

    (Kirk MacKenzie) THE CREATION OF NON-GOVRNMENT "Governments" - "The process is gradual. It begins by finding a cross-jurisdictional issue and creating a regional discussion group to consider it. This group evolves into a permanent council or association that engages in central planning. Eventually, this permanent group takes unto itself the power to make policy decisions. As a consequence, democratically-elected governments are stripped of their policy making power, and become nothing more than shells to enforce the central plans created by the NGOs. Accountability, transparency, and representation are lost, and the People ignored in favor of special interests that typically gain power over, and financial benefits from, areas they don’t live in, pay taxes in, or suffer the consequences of."

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  • EvelynMarch 23, 2013 - 7:40 am

    Harry N. Zelinka, who elsewhere has written "I must confess that I am a sinner because I have a fondness for scallops and crab," knows how easy it to misrepresent.

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  • EvelynMarch 23, 2013 - 7:47 am

    "It’s a sin to eat a cheeseburger" says Harry Zelinka. (Now go find the rest for yourselves!)

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  • Phil VeerkampMarch 23, 2013 - 8:26 am

    - It begins by finding a cross-jurisdictional issue and creating a regional discussion group to consider it. - The “flavor” of this statement revolves around the word, “finding”. Consider switching out “finding” with “identifying”. Rivers, air, and oceans are cross-jurisdictional issues. Money is a cross-jurisdictional issue. Do we wring our hands when upstream “owners” impound, pollute and take more than necessary? Do we travel upstream and raid, pillage and appropriate? . . . Or do we create cross-jurisdictional organizations to settle these issues? MONEY is the portal to “the looking glass”, OZ, venality, conspiracy . . . anti-Semitism . . . There is a fixed amount of air, water, ocean, gold and real-estate. But in spite of the ancient admonition against A = P(1+r/n)^nt most of the world subjects money to the magical and, ultimately, the insidious consequences of A = P(1+r/n)^nt. Since the vast majority of us are ignorant of the ultimate consequences of A = P(1+r/n)^nt (math is hard) we become vulnerable to superstition, voodoo, witch doctor . . . anti-Semitism. “Money” certainly is a cross-jurisdictional issue. A = P(1+r/n)^nt is an exponential mathematical function. All growth exponential functions ultimately explode. It’s not the Jews. It’s the math.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 23, 2013 - 8:27 am

    Harry here is a vid to watch and think about...agree or not...as an educated voter--shouldnt we look at all possibilities. And he does name "bad" guys...the Banks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NrikN_09_U&list=SP0AF93530AFB318F0&index=1 Most Americans believe in the following statement "Follow the money."

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  • EvelynMarch 24, 2013 - 8:12 am

    Speaking of "crackpots", Harry, aren't you even a little bit worried about the sucking sound of the big banks devouring our national treasure?

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  • EvelynMarch 24, 2013 - 8:41 am

    Harry: You'll like this one. HERE Apparently a federal appeals court ruling “turns individual segregated [bank] accounts into the property of a third party under circumstances of duress. In other words, if a financial institution fails, clients, depositors and pension funds may not get some or all of their money back in a bankruptcy.” ********** Probably recommending that you stick your money under your mattress would be punishable.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 24, 2013 - 9:01 am

    Just a thought--maybe wrong--with the debate of "banking" and treasure...our national treasure works off "gold"...could it be--that the miners have hit on a question not being asked? Is the Federal government protecting the forest--or possibly protecting the "gold"--something to think about...that would be another really good reason to stand behind our sheriff. As seen in vids an articles...there is something going on--and even the sheriffs are very concerned. Just a thought. National forest closing roads--bringing out more guns...its a question.

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  • 1036-FrankMarch 24, 2013 - 10:10 am

    Regional Planning groups like SACOG with their mandates of how many units of Govt, section 8 housing an area is mandated to build is exactly what is being done locally and was almost undiscovered until the BOS elections last fall. Anyone can ask people near a section 8 housing complex what the effects are in regards to crime and property values. These unelected groups who are involved in local planning issues are to be avoided if they are not similar areas with a lot in common, not inner-city areas trying to be one size fits all "Group Think" ideas for rural counties. So far the Govt. money carrot on a stick works on some of the BOS who are dominated by developer interests, not resident interests. This is just one example. Rural Values are something you either have or you don't, you know what they are or you will not enjoy being in a rural area and can head back home to the city.

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  • cookie65March 25, 2013 - 11:03 am

    Is this the same Kirk Mackinzie who offered me counseling on how to deal with lefists in a respectful rational manner? If it is then his formula has him being identified as a crackpot. And I stand by my conclusion that leftists cannot be dealt with in a respectful rational manner. I understand professionalism for individuals who are in positions where they answer to an entire population but that is not my burden.

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  • cookie65March 25, 2013 - 11:15 am

    Harry, if you are making the claim that the USA is not heading in the direction of submitting itself to the UN and other nefarious international organizations such as the IPCC that can only be labeled as intellectual dishonesty. Even our own Constitutionally restricted courts have used internatioal law in court rulings. http://www.globalgovernancewatch.org/spotlight_on_sovereignty/us-supreme-court-clarifies-limits-on-its-use-of-international-law

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  • James E.March 25, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Cookie, there must be two Kirk MacKenzies, maybe three.

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  • Ken SteersMarch 25, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Not our Kirk. There are 3 Ken Steers in our house hold alone. And another odd fellow with the same name I'm not related to in Orangevale. "The government is us"? Pollyannaish at best. The government is no more "us" than corporations are "us". The government is an entity. With a strong limitless thirst and hunger to consume everything in order to become so large an self sustaining equaling the power of the sun. Mr Zelinka's unquestioned trust of our government reminds me of a new born antelope on the plains of Africa who cuddles up to a cheetah because it doesn't have the sense to fear.

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  • MelodyMarch 25, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    Harry you've been bamboozled like the majority of Americans. Wake up to the fact that Agenda 21 is a documented reality and it's invaded EDC via willing BOS accomplices. “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the Bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The Bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge―even to ourselves―that we've been so credulous." ― Carl Sagan

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  • Jethro McSwiftMarch 25, 2013 - 9:38 pm

    Melody, It must be a heavy burden. Being in possession of such special knowledge while you trundle amongst the ignorant masses surely must tucker you out. How do you do it!!!???

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  • MelodyMarch 26, 2013 - 11:34 am

    Jethro: Good question deserving of a biblical answer. Ephesians 5:11 - Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, EXPOSE them. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Founder - Compass2Truth - Conservatives Serving God in Truth and Liberty

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  • Compass2TruthMarch 26, 2013 - 12:15 pm

    Harry & Jethro: Refer to the 5/15/12 BOS meeting, Item #20 re: Agenda 21 Resolution introduced by John Knight. This item was pulled from consent at my request for public discussion. 14 of us, including Ron Mikulaco, spoke up about the implementation of Agenda 21. However the item was deferred indefinitely for the purpose of obtaining associated GRANT $$$. There is a total lack of accountability as to how these grant monies are appropriated in furthering Agenda 21 objectives. Yesterday's Special BOS Meeting-Workshop will give you a better clue how the BOS is giving a carte blanche to the unaccountable NGOs (non government organizations). In essence the BOS ignored the concerns outlined in Assembly Bill 42 and unanimously laid the foundation for the implementation of progressive-socialist Agenda 21 in EDC.

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  • MelodyMarch 26, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    Harry - The ballot box has proven to be an ineffectual weapon against corruption. Just look at all the voter fraud last election! The media has done us no favors in this regard. (Kirk MacKenzie) THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN MISLEAD - Few are aware this war is going on, so complete is the media blackout. Worse yet, the public increasingly votes adverse to rural interests, largely as the result of grossly false mis-information promoted by media and the educational system. “When you cease to advocate for what is right, you become an advocate for what is wrong.”

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  • JohnApril 07, 2013 - 9:08 pm

    Mr. Zelinka: Bravo for your sensible and self-evident truths. I note that the names attached to the retorts to your letter look like a roster of the local 'tin foil hats' brigade. You make the same mistake I made, thinking The Mountain Democrat is a real newspaper: it isn't. It's a propaganda rags for wacko, far-right ideas, some of them even wackier than Tea Party delusions.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 07, 2013 - 11:05 pm

    John & Harry - I think that the two of you would be good advocates for San Stino. EID will need oodles of hook-up fees to finance its ambitious infrastructure projects. We need to make beneficial use of "our" water. Use it or lose it. Let's get together and get this San Stino thing going. You are as cynical as I over the "loss of rural". Build of die.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 07, 2013 - 11:10 pm

    ~~~ Build OR die ~~~

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  • EvelynApril 08, 2013 - 6:43 am

    John! I doff my tin-foil hat to your flexibility: damning the Mt. Dem. while at the same time continuing to submit for publication, even though you'll be read only by the "wacko, deluded far right" -- and, of course, Mr. Zelinka.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 08, 2013 - 8:04 am

    These extremist screwballs are never specific about who the bad guys are...you are Mr. Zelinka for not responsibly reading about these issues--once you read and connect ideas across the United State--no--across the world...we as individuals have less and less of a voice.

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  • Kirk W MacKenzieApril 08, 2013 - 10:40 am

    Phil -- I've been watching you make this argument of use it (water) or lose it for a while. I finally figured out why it bugs me so much... Whether we use it or lose it, either way it will be gone. So the only real decision is what we want left over. Personally, I'd prefer to have our rural communities after the dust/water settles.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 08, 2013 - 10:52 am

    Kirk, at times I think I agree with you. At other times I consider EID's debt and infrastructure requirements. Without growth the increased costs fall on . . . us. Keeping us rural will be very costly water rate wise.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 08, 2013 - 10:56 am

    Kirk, please know that my rah, rah, rah for growth is heavily infused with sarcasm. "My County" is gone. Spread the pain. Schadenfreude!!!

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  • Kirk W MacKenzieApril 08, 2013 - 11:33 am

    Phil -- will that additional growth require additional infrastructure and debt? If so, spreading a larger debt across more people will not result in a smaller share for me.

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 08, 2013 - 1:15 pm

    Kirk, additional infrastructure is coming REGARDLESS. The recent discovery of near catastrophic water tank corrosion due to paint failure has brought into sharper focus the fact that EID's transmission capabilities are over committed. I go 50/50 that Cameron Park and El Dorado Hills see a water emergency this summer because a critical storage tank will be off line. A peak demand buffering mechanism will HAVE TO BE OFF. It will be touch and go. Hence, regardless of growth, EID HAS committed (last Board meeting) to projects costing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. We can pay . . . or . . . growth can pay. Cherish your present rate. It’s not going down.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 08, 2013 - 1:46 pm

    Phil--I have a question...with less thinning of our forests--are the trees themselves changing numbers--because they are drinking the water themselves? Hopefully that made sense. If a space wanted to make the water numbers rise--wouldnt removing some of the plants create that rise?

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 08, 2013 - 9:11 pm

    Frances, I only know enough about your question to know that the answer to your question is complex. When I was a youngster my Dad cleared a brushy piece of land. Springs that had gone dry flowed again. The Sierra forest is a different model. Clearing the forest eliminates the draw on ground moisture through the roots and up through the tree’s foliage. But it also destroys the “duff”. The forest’s floor loses its “sponge” of needles and leaves. Rain tends to run off rather than soak in. In Dad’s case there was not the loss of forest “duff”/”sponge”. The answer to your question is it depends. Both things can happen. Not harvesting trees invites fire – the worst case for building ground moisture and slow release through mountain springs.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netApril 08, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    Thank you Phil--seems the forest is very complicated. When I go to these "visioning" meetings--and I say we are a lumber town--I get glazed over looks. And some insist we are a recreational place--and I look around--I see trees. Trees that need to be thinned--that are becoming dangerously thick. The people talk about water and rates--and I think...well are the trees drinking the water? And if we thin out the forest--before it catches on fire--wouldnt we also have more water? But thanks for your answer. It validates mine thoughts to myself.

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  • SparkyApril 09, 2013 - 6:24 am

    The mill in Camino is being dismantled slowly over time. The buildings along Carson still look the same, but behind the facade things are changing. Timber is part of the history, but it is highly unlikely that it is part of the future. Forest management in and around Pollock becomes increasing important and that should be a topic of frank discussion

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 09, 2013 - 8:27 am

    . . . meanwhile, swerving back into the title of this thread, Just another crackpot . . . LINK - We Have to Break Through This Idea 'That Kids Belong to Their Parents'

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