Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Letter to representatives

EDITOR:

Dear congressional representatives:

I have taken the opportunity to write and call many of you on important subject matters before. It is past time for me to express support to the Republican Party for its attempt to negotiate with the Democrats. The president and Harry Reid and many of the Democratic senators appear to have lost sight of what the word negotiate is.

It is abhorrent that the following can’t be accomplished for the American people.

• How about a budget?
• How about setting spending priorities?
• How about Congress and its staff live under the same Affordable Care Act law that other Americans have to live under?
• How about not raising the debt ceiling?
• How about seriously working at paying down the National debt?
• How about quit borrowing money from China
• How about paying the bills, and prioritizing cuts?
• (One of the president’s promises was that he would do line item prioritizing with the Congress.)
• How about you quit giving other countries Americans’ hard-earned taxes? America can’t buy friendship.
• I was angry when money was given to Brazil so they could drill for oil off of their shores, yet all sort of road blocks prevent the same opportunity for America.

These are just a few immediate concerns that I believe need to be negotiated. So far the Republicans seem to be doing the heavy loading of solving the approaching American crisis. They are striving to provide intervention.

Some of us live on fixed incomes, and some are lucky enough to be employed. They understand the basics of income versus spending, savings verses recreation. Congress annually has a pot of taxpayers’ gold and has thus far managed to drive-up, borrow and has spent over $16 trillion, putting America in debt beyond belief. Don’t be foolish enough to make it $17-plus trillion. Please negotiate with the Republicans.

Also, don’t set yourselves above all other Americans. If the law is in America’s best interest, you too should adhere to the same law. There should be no special treatment for Congress or staff. Elections are not about special treatment, or payback favors.

MELBA J. LEAL
Placerville

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    How important the meanings of words? You say negotiate, I say extortion. And, of course, everyone in the world (except you) knows that Congress will have to purchase their health insurance through the new health insurance exchanges.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    James, when the word "hostage" was being used so frequently, I, for one was using the word "extortion" as well because this is exactly what has been going on. A strong word to be used for sure, and a factual word. What the Tea Party is willing to do to bring down a presidency is mind boggling and unpatriotic. Perhaps their actions will lead to a Democratic Congress, Senate and White House. Thanks for the use.

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  • 1036-FrankOctober 09, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Liberals don't want a budget, they haven't passed one in almost five years. What they want is a "crises" continued with shutdowns, massive new record debt, stimulus to donors and unions and a crippled economy and an outright economic destruction for Alinsky effect when the debt ceiling isn't raised for new debt.

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  • cookie65October 11, 2013 - 5:01 am

    Yes James, how important are the meanings of words? The "affordable" healthcare act, thru The Department of "Better Technology" paid a whopping $634 million to build healthcare.gov that doesn't work. It turns out it is neither "affordable" or "better technology". obama opens up the negotiation process by making endless derogatory comments about his opponents. His spokes people make the media rounds on a daily basis slamming those who have put in writing what they would agree to. Where have the dems put in writing what they would agree to? I realize they have been busy getting in front of every camera they can find blaming the repubs for everything. They dems gave themselves a cozy 72% taxpayer funded obamacare premium subsidy James and you know it.

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  • EvelynOctober 11, 2013 - 8:06 am

    if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it if you like your insurance plan, you can keep it .......... except for 800,000 people in New Jersey who can't - HERE

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  • JohnOctober 11, 2013 - 8:27 am

    kkThe Senate passed a bipartisan budget in March 2013 and sent it to the House. This budget included most of the cuts suggested by Rep. Ryan. The Senate has asked the House to appoint members of a committee to negotiate a final budget with a similar Senate committee (a process called 'reconciliation). Boehner has refused 16 times--yes, 16 times--to appoint the House members to this committee. The Teahadists did not want 'negotiations'; they wanted confrontation; they made no secret that they wanted to shut down government and now they have their wish.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 8:48 am

    Cookie, doesn't that 72% premium apply to both Democrats and Republicans? And how did the Democrats do this "cozy" deal all by themselves? I though it was by an act of the House (Democrats, Tea Party, and Republicans).

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  • cookie65October 11, 2013 - 8:49 am

    John, don't you just hate it when the repubs stand up to reid's backroom deals to raise the debt ceiling and taxes? How many house bills have sat on reid's desk collecting dust?

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  • cookie65October 11, 2013 - 8:58 am

    Well James, at least you have moved part way by conceding the subsidy. Was it the repubs who petitioned the obama regime to prevent the "brain drain" if they had to suffer under the law that they wrote? What happened James is the leftists were so thrilled at the power grab they were assuming, they forgot to install a safety net for themselves. When it occurred to them what they had done they summoned the Almighty obama to forego the income restrictions on subsidies for themselves. To blame the repubs is a stretch even for you James. I guess next you will be telling me the system is dysfunctional because of repub sabotage.

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  • rodOctober 11, 2013 - 8:59 am

    Go get em Melba!, most Americans feel exactly as you.

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  • cookie65October 11, 2013 - 9:07 am

    Evelyn, you're not suggesting some misrepresentation of facts took place during the selling of obamacare are you? I find that incredibly difficult to believe. Be careful someone might call you racist.

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  • cookie65October 11, 2013 - 9:12 am

    Here is the insanity of some of our laws. This 15 year old kid streaked thru a football game at his high school as a prank. Rather than be put on a sex offenders registry he committed suicide. Amazing how the perverts in frisco have a parade that includes far worse than this kid's prank and they are celebrated for it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2452030/Christian-Adamek-Boy-15-kills-facing-expulsion-sex-offender-registry-STREAKING-high-school-football-game.html

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  • cookie65October 11, 2013 - 9:42 am

    Evelyn, I think the secret to replacing what ever plans the millions of people are losing because of obamacare is to invest the the 72 hours required to create an account on the websites, once they are in they should just buy the first thing that pops up and worry about "what is in it" later. After all, that is the process in which we had this catastrophe provided for us.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 11, 2013 - 11:14 am

    Hey guys..... Melba is one of the 23% that does NOT blame the GOP......

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    Cookie, perhaps I don't understand how the subsidy came about. Congress had nothing to do with it? Someone complained to the president and he just waved a magic wand that Congress would get the subsidy? I thought the Congress attached it to one of the bills from the Congress that president signed. Please educate me. P.S., Congresspersons make too much money -- do citizens get a subsidy when they make approximately 175K a year? I think not.

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  • RobbieOctober 11, 2013 - 2:07 pm

    Am I one of the 70 plus percent that believe that the government shutdown was caused by the republican party? Yes. Do I blame them for doing it, No.

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  • muffinOctober 11, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    does anyone know if cookies65 is mentally ill?

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    muffin, research narcissistic personality disorder.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    Cookie is -- well Cookie. I have seen some comments from her that were lucid, believe it or not. A reg of this site and it would be dull without her.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 7:01 pm

    James, it would not be dull without cookie noname. I for one know many that would like to participate on this site with their neighbors but do not only because of this cookie noname. Some folks have the time to be active participants. Really a shame. Cookie noname likes it this way though for many reasons I'm sure.

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  • noname nonameOctober 11, 2013 - 7:31 pm

    patrice noname criticizes cookie noname and directs muffin noname to research pop psychology

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    My name is Patrice. "Pop psychology" Ok, then. The earth is not flat.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 11, 2013 - 7:35 pm

    Patrice, you say you know many weak, shy, timid people who would like to participate on this forum. Suggest to each of these weak, shy, timid people to go ahead and contribute under such monikers as John, Tom, Don or Patrice. Anonymity bolsters courage.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    Right! Maybe that is why there is so much obnoxiousness!

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 11, 2013 - 7:46 pm

    Ah! silly me. All I had to do is Google "Patrice" ----> About 39,800,000 results (0.23 seconds) I'll be right over for tea.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 8:04 pm

    Yes, Mr. Veerkamp, silly you.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    Now, Mr. Veerkamp, see how ya are? weak, shy, timid is not what I said and is not the case. Using a first name only is acceptable, except in this point you are trying to make. You state your full name because you are a Veerkamp and like pounding your chest. Not everyone likes to fight, call names and disrespect as cookie noname does and it is perfectly ok. Is cookie noname your sister as well. You are a knight in shining armor, Mr. Veerkamp. I no longer read or respond to cookie noname's crap. I am sure glad I didn't have to work tonight!

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 8:26 am

    Patrice, you are exhibiting some hypocritical tendencies. Using just a first name is as much as a shield as calling yourself TeaBagger when your name is John.

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  • PatriceOctober 12, 2013 - 11:35 am

    Dee#1 your actual name, no doubt? No, I am definately not teabagger, or John, or Martha, or, or, or. My name is Patrice. You are just too much fun.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    Yes, Patrice my name is Dee#1. But I know that using my full invites nasty phone calls and other inconveniences, so I don't. I don't believe you are TeaBagger or John because the writing pattern if different , but you may personalities. I just don't know but to act that using our first names is full disclosure is simply wrong. Always happy to make someone smile.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    I sure hope the president doesn't fold in any way. If he does, in six weeks the extortion will be close down Social Security and Medicare, and the president must resign or the debt ceiling will not be raised. This is not government, this is government dictated by the terrorist Tea Party. In Egypt they made the Brotherhood illegal. Time to do it here with the Tea Party.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    James, I hope he holds his ground as well. The Democrats say they are united and seem resolute. This 6 week deal is for what purpose, really?? The Tea Party does have the upper hand in that I don't think they care about the hurts that are being inflicted. They care only about their agenda to take over the government and take down their President. Sounds criminal.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 8:19 pm

    Patrice, if you don't like comments made by Cookie then just pass over them. I read her comments and if I find something in them that makes me want to respond I do so. The rest I pass over. If you react to every sentence you will be busy, busy, busy.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 8:24 pm

    Hmmm, like the Unamerican Activities Committee of the 1950s. Are you, or have you ever been a member of the Tea Party. Yes? Sergeant of Arms, put this individual under arrest.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 8:26 pm

    Making the Tea Party illegal is no more radical than allowing extortion to make public policy.

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  • PatriceOctober 11, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    James, I really do not read anything written by him/her, not anymore. I do not come to this page very often. I didn't think I reacted to every sentence!? Stopped reading the very extremist folks junk. I thought early on that Ted Cruz looks like, has mannerisms like and thinks like McCarthy(sp). True, making the Tea Party illegal isn't any more radical than allowing extortion to dictate.

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  • tea bagger in yo'faceOctober 11, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    James E. and John Garon have been paid 6 figure salaries for doing nothing but sucking on the hind teat for 30 years. they couldn't give a rat's ass who pay's because they never have. Your children? More than likely not theirs because apples don't fall far from trees. Who want's to bet their kids are parasites just like they are?

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    "I'm Ted Cruz, I'm fighting for average Americans like you, I'm fighting for freedom, I want you to be free from the scourge of government subsidized health care, I want average Americans to have the same opportunity for coverage I have, a gold-plated, $40,000 a year Wall Street executive plan through my wife's employer, Goldman Sachs." Anderson, Houston Chronicle.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 11, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    tea bagger in yo'face - Let me guess . . . uh . . . just guessing here . . . In reality you are a pinko wobbly commie operative pretending to be a Tea Party blogger. . . . John, is that you?

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    Tea Bagger, make that 25 years (and hoping for another 25 years). And, I'm looking forward to your federal tax payment on April 15, 2014 -- direct to my pay account. Thank you for supporting my good life.

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  • James E.October 11, 2013 - 9:32 pm

    ADDED: And I don't want to get personal, but you sound rather uneducated.

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  • DavidOctober 11, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    James I agree with Patrice. It is very obnoxious to read the rudeness that spills out of people like Phil and Cookies mouth. The immature name calling like "piglosi" and other names I know makes them feel empowered but for the rest of us I think it is a real turn off to join in. Which is why it is the same old suspects on this site!

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 11, 2013 - 10:21 pm

    David, I have never used voice to text software.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:04 am

    This thread sounds like the whining, sniveling president of pmsnbc who wants an investigation into why his network is getting romped by fox during a time when the spewing of leftist propaganda is vital to the continued decline to the country. I know how troubling and difficult it is for some to realize the leftist organs no longer control the media and the message. Keep telling us all how leftists view FREE SPEECH. If I am being demonized by rabid leftists, I know I am revealing stuff they don't want revealed. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/msnbc-president-wants-investigation-fox-647852

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:07 am

    If you clowns lack the knowledge, intellect and communication skills to defend the piles of rotting excrement you call political policy, how is that anyone else's fault. Stand on the sidelines and wait for you self-esteem ribbon.

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  • R J CarterOctober 12, 2013 - 6:10 am

    Good grief...It always amazes me how any liberal could be so hypocritical and have that much gall as to ever ***** about someone being rude & obnoxious.... What's next, Bill Maher crying because Sarah Palin called him a name??..

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  • R J CarterOctober 12, 2013 - 6:13 am

    Good grief....It always amazes me how any liberal could be so hypocritical and have that much gall as to ever Bi**h & whine about someone being rude & obnoxious.... What's next, Bill Maher on stage crying because Sarah Palin called him a name??..

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:26 am

    Leftism always needs a villain, so I guess I am it. So let's see what I am responsible for. I am responsible for the $17tillion in debt, I am responsible for the 90 million people out of the workforce, I am responsible for the double digit unemployment under obama, I am responsible for the $3+/gal. gas for over three years, I am responsible for the record numbers on welfare and food stamps, I am responsible for the unsustainable public sector, I am responsible for the massive, bankrupting public sector legacy costs, I am responsible for the bankrupt cities and municipalities due to public sector contracts, I am responsible for the $634million obamacare website that doesn't work, I am responsible for letting the criminals out of prison, I am responsible for the failure of leftism throughout history, I am responsible for global warming, I am responsible for the failure of the communist run schools, I am responsible for keeping people from adding their opinion to these threads. I guess more people would come out and offer their koolaid to the people here if it weren't for me. Maybe I should start spewing leftist groupthink under a different name and gain the admiration of those who aren't used to seeing their ideology questioned. I can repeat it better than they can.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:31 am

    RJ, you knocked it out of the park with that one. When ever I need my fill of rude and obnoxious I just tune into the leftists media. But that is the deal, those who support the redistribution of wealth can't be labeled offensive, rude, childish, immature and obnoxious. It is only those who defend the private property of others and are therefore selfish, greedy, and uncaring. Leftism is a mental disease.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 12, 2013 - 6:34 am

    Leave some for me. Cookie. Sheesh!!!

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  • R J CarterOctober 12, 2013 - 6:42 am

    Very true....I remember when Bush's approval rating once dropped to 37% it was all over every channel 24/7....This week Barry O's approval rating dropped to 37% and all we hear is crickets..

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:50 am

    Oops, I almost forgot, that offensive, insensitive video that led to the demonstration, turned violent in Benghazi, that ended in the deaths of four Americans..... MY FAULT.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:56 am

    Phil, you get credit for pounding on your chest. Have you ever heard such tripe? This is how dismayed the left gets when their precious fiction gets exposed. They have controlled the message for so long through every media outlet that even a little balance is to much for them. They cannot defend what they have been trained to believe. They have never possessed the inquisitiveness to ever bother to question any of it so when someone does they are completely clueless on how to respond. If they were any dumber they would need to be watered.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 8:19 am

    Cookie, I have to share the responsiblity because I don't contribute as much anymore because you do such a good job. Plus you make me laugh. The leftist are trying to Coulterize, make you tone down to suit their purposes. Keep the good work.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 7:03 am

    For all of you who can only take the heat when you are delivering it. YOUR freedom of speech is more important than MY healthcare. But that doesn't mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that it won't go unchallenged. I know your lies better than you do, and that is what you object to. Besa me culo.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 7:31 am

    Here is the evil destructive patiently obvious self serving disease of leftism. The corrupt criminal arrogant racists shirley sherrod, obama's former USDA official (another unqualified, groupthink leftists) is attempting to sue the widow of Andrew Breitbart because he exposed her. If the left had their way, they would ban the truth. Amazing how throughout history only ONE ideology has sought to control the media. And everyone who has lived under that particular ideology ended up living in squalor. And all our highly informed, superbly educated, most enlightened wizards of smart what to bring it here. There is only ever ONE outcome to leftism. MASS GRAVES. http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/101113-674904-shirley-sherrod-sues-andrew-breitbart-widow.htm?p=full

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  • Tea BaggerOctober 12, 2013 - 7:52 am

    I suppose that from the point of view of a parasite, say for instance a tick, the animal it is feeding off of is of lessor import than itself. A ticks primary goal is to feed and breed. There are no ancillary benefits to the beast for which the tick feeds. Simply a fact of nature that to survive you must live with ticks with the only hope that one doesn't become so infested as to be eaten alive. The animal's only hope is that the tick gets it's full and drops off. James E and John Garon are fat blood engorged ticks.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 8:00 am

    David, are you aware the IT company who got the contract to upgrade the California EDD computer system has nothing but a failed record but they make large political contributions and spend millions on lobbying politicians. One of their paid politicians is PIGlosi. So hundreds of thousands of the unemployed get screwed out of their benny's, can't feed their kids, can't pay their rent and all the other things that occur with NO income for a month. And piglosi is looking out for the little guy? By the way piglosi receives more union money than any other politician, other than the messiah, and her and her husband employ as many as 1,000 seasonal workers, not one of them is a union worker. The woman is duplicitous swine. Like teddy kennedy she has done more to destroy freedom and liberty than any other politician. If you took the time to educate yourself, the opposite of what you get from the leftist media, we could possibly have a meaningful conversation based on facts.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 12, 2013 - 8:10 am

    I can hardly wait till the next presidential election....I personally am disgusted by the whole mess, the politicians, the people turning on each other and all the name calling and bickering oozing with hatred....I am done with voting and my prayer is that the Republicans take over every aspect of the politics so all of you voting Republicans can see what a wonderful mess they make and you will be able to blame yourselves and your party....can't wait to see the outcome...go Republicans your fans say you are the answer to our problems and prayers and hope you can prove it.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 8:14 am

    Oh brother, as opposed to the mess the left has created that they are blaming the repubs for?

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 8:17 am

    James, there is a picture of an adorable chocolate and white Chihuahua on the add named Joey. I hope he finds a good home.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 12, 2013 - 8:22 am

    Kooky in the head, I knew you would be the first to respond...get off your computer and get out there and get to work trying to make a change instead of hiding behind your keyboard and crazy name...put actions to work instead of words on this ridiculous newspaper from this tiny county...I would think you could find something to do to contribute to your cause or at least help someone with less than you...you, the Franks and the rest of your group would be afraid to leave this little county and express your opinions in say "the Bay Area" as 1036-Frank puts it...in this county only the repubs get to live and the rest of us need to leave because we aren't "the right Kind" of people to live here.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 8:31 am

    Neighbor against Neighbor.

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  • Tea BaggerOctober 12, 2013 - 8:35 am

    The fact is that the only argument the democrats can come up with is the acknowledgement that they are a failure and that all the fears regarding what would happen if they ran our lives have come to fruition. They can't defend their politics. They blame everyone else for their failure. With the claim that the republicans will do just as bad of a job. Critical mass has been achieved. The parasites are in charge and will be for their life times. When James E. can, with out conscience point fingers at a private company's health care plan as what's wrong with health care, all the while he himself receives the finest health care in the world with out paying a dime for his premiums? We are lost. When John Garon (parasite) can brag about his friend accident while on their Paris vacation, and using that as the example of the health care system he wants America to adopt? After word his friend corrected John Garon in this paper, pointing out the French doctors crippled him permanently. Then we have lost. Today the best you can hope for in life is to become a big parasite for life like James E and John Garon. Six figure retirements and the finest health care that our money can buy. A nice life if you can get it. The problem is only 1% will ever see it. The 47% that work for a living under the system the parasites created? They do not matter. Parasites don't have empathy for the beast they feed upon.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 12, 2013 - 8:42 am

    @teabagger-thank you for making my point...all that hatred directed toward fellow human beings all because of an opinion and sounds like a bit of jealousy on your part...yes democrats are the reason for all the problems in the world...you take that and run with it...

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 8:44 am

    Oh brother, did my one tiny question destroy your argument? Would you suggest I travel to Detroit and lend my assistance to the 50 YEARS of democrat compassion. Perhaps the community agitator's former neighborhood where being out of doors after dark reduces one's life expectancy significantly. Share with me a leftists success story you would like to see the entire country duplicate.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 8:50 am

    The system is terminally broken. Period. Insisting on tearing one another apart blinds us to the systemic structural realities. Subjecting individuals on this forum to our justified wrath over the way things are playing out may feel good but is counterproductive.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 12, 2013 - 8:52 am

    crazy kooky - I have no argument for you nor will I argue with you....you just spend your time sitting on your arse accomplishing nothing but babbling on and on and on....you put so much on this site that I don't bother reading your drivel anymore...I am in fact done with this website...think you are right, think you won, think what ever in the heck you want and blame whomever you choose....and I am not a sore loser nor a Democrat nor do I believe that only my way is the right way, I save those opinions for you...

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 8:56 am

    Oh brother, democrats aren't responsible for all that is wrong in the world. I have an aunt, in her 80's who is a lifelong democrat who cry's at what HER democrat party has become. She experiences the revulsion common to any person with even a lick of sense when faced with what is responsible for ALL that is wrong in the world, leftism/progressivism/socialism/communism. You CANNOT reap without sowing. Leftism is based on the lie that you can,.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 9:05 am

    Oh brother, you won't offer me even one leftists success story that you would like to see duplicated across the country? Perhaps the war on poverty where we have spent roughly the equivalent of our national debt and we currently have more poverty than ever. I would think your mind would be racing with leftist success stories you could cite as examples of my ignorance.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 9:11 am

    THE 49 MOST FREE COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD: 1. Andorra 2. Australia 3. Austria 4. Bahamas 5. Barbados 6. Belgium 7. Canada 8. Cape Verde 9. Chile 10. Costa Rica 11. Cyprus 12. Czech Republic 13. Denmark 14. Dominca 15. Estonia 16. Finland 17. France 18. Germany 19. Hungary 20. Iceland 21. Ireland 22. Italy 23. Kiribati 24. Liechtenstein 25. Lithuania 26. Luxembourg 27. Malta 28. Marshall Islands 29. Micronesia 30. Nauru 31. Netherlands 32. New Zealand 33. Norway 34. Palau 35. Poland 36. Portugal 37. Saint Kitts and Nevis 38. Saint Lucia 39. San Marino 40. Slovakia 41. Slovenia 42. Spain 43. Sweden 44. Switzerland 45. Taiwan 46. Tuvalu 47. United Kingdom 48. United States 49. Uruguay - HERE ********** Did the Democrats do this? The Republicans? Something else?

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 9:13 am

    How about abortion, there is a leftist success story for you. 50 million..... I mentioned in a earlier post about leftism and MASS GRAVES. I was always taught if you can't defend what you believe you should question what you believe.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 9:19 am

    Evelyn, both. The ever expanding federal, state, county, city and muni government's took us from a country based entirely on individual freedom and liberty to where we are today. The redistribution of wealth is the keystone to our decline. When you confiscate from producers and redistribute to non-producers there is only ever one direction a society will take. Private property rights are the basis of ALL freedom.

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  • DavidOctober 12, 2013 - 9:33 am

    My God Is this woman on meth? She doesn't even come up for air!

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  • Tea baggerOctober 12, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Actually I don't blame a political party for the state of our country. I blame ignorant self serving parasites like you. It just so happens that the democrat party is infested with dullards like you. And they are in charge.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Cookie: That sounds pretty much like Ayn Rand.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Oh brother, speaking of Detroit, did you see their former mayor, no doubt elected for his compassion and desperate desire to assist the under privileged and downtrodden? DETROIT — One day after Detroit's former mayor was sentenced to 28 years in prison for his role in a widespread public corruption case, his friend and co-defendant was sentenced Friday to 21 years in federal prison. He has a lot in common with another compassionate leftist, jesse jackson jr. Yep, them leftists are always looking out for the little guy. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/11/detroit-corruption-bobby-ferguson-sentencing/2966029/

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Actually Evelyn it sounds more like Thomas Jefferson. "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 9:49 am

    "Private property rights are the basis of ALL freedom" also sounds like Ayn Rand.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 9:49 am

    David, I posed a question to you at 8:00 am, care to respond?

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  • PatriceOctober 12, 2013 - 9:51 am

    The ranting is incredible and not surprising. The extremists can rationalize all they want. Time will tell how the Tea Party/Republican party fares through all this. EDC may embrace, but the majority of Americans do not like or support you and that is what is important. You are pretty transparent, and my heart goes out to you. I expect the ranter to implode when the Congress, Senate and White House become a beautiful blue. Being passionate is not the reason for such site domination and anger/hatred. Yes, neighbor against neighbor is another problem in EDC. Go out and breath some fresh air and enjoy a beautiful day.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 10:02 am

    Cookie, I see the ads (Joey) and hope he and the others will be rescued -- as I've said before I'm at four rescues -- the legal limit in Placerville. I understand why some people cannot rescue. Working and not able to leave the pup alone all day, cannot afford the expenses of owning a dog, or husband (wife) does not like dogs. It hurts my heart knowing that those not rescued will be put down. Bundles of love wasted.

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  • robertdnollOctober 12, 2013 - 10:05 am

    Evelyn,God is willing to speak to any who will listen,

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 10:15 am

    Hmmm, so I'm getting the best health care in the world. I have Medicare -- that which everyone gets even if they have never worn the uniform of the United States. Best health care in the world? Good health care certainly, but it's Rush and Cruz who have the best health care in the world. I have long advocated Medicare for all from birth, even for Teabagger. Some "socialized" medicine for all.

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  • PatriceOctober 12, 2013 - 11:10 am

    One step at a time, time, time, time. Someday "socialized medicine for all" will be a reality. Hey, maybe even in our lifetimes. 3 more years and I too will enjoy Medicare! Helmet, mt. bike, water, I'm off.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 10:25 am

    Patrice, freedom and liberty are extremist to you?

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 10:27 am

    Thomas Jefferson; The Extremist. "A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."

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  • DavidOctober 12, 2013 - 10:35 am

    No cookie I have responded to u before and u r irrational, make up facts or get them from some underground site, Rush or Fox. I would certainly have a rational debate but not with an extremist who is no different from the extremists in other parts of the world. Frankly they scare me. Be they Muslim extremists, Christian extremists etc.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 10:38 am

    Pittsburg Steelers chairman Dan Rooney hosted kathleen sebelius at Heinz field for an obamacare "education and enrollment" event. All of 100 people showed up and none were successful at gaining access to the site. About 20 people armed with laptops and certified by the government to sign up people for coverage were meeting with uninsured people, answering questions and fruitlessly trying to access the website. How many obama voters wish I were making it up?

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 10:48 am

    David, KCRA.com is the underground site. http://www.kcra.com/news/company-behind-edd-upgrade-spends-thousands-on-politicians-lobbying/-/11797728/22399580/-/qxmfsvz/-/index.html

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 10:54 am

    So you can avoid defending what you support and believe if you label the opponent as extremist? That is a great strategy. I see why the left gets so angry and hostile when their fantasies get questioned. I don't hesitate to defend what I believe. These boards are open for you to give it your best shot. What are you afraid of? Are you concerned that the left has worn out the old standby's of racist, bigot, hater, Bush's fault?

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 11:05 am

    David, frankly I believe that what truly scares you is the possibility that we may reach the end of the freeride and people fully dependent on government may have to face the reality of providing for themselves. You do realize the debt ceiling debate is based on a single fact? We have run out of other peoples money. Many,many,many,many times over.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 11:10 am

    If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor.... http://www.wtnh.com/news/health/thousands-of-doctors-fired-by-united-healthcare

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  • rodOctober 12, 2013 - 11:10 am

    So why IS leftist think denied by leftists? Example: Obamacare was passed by the senate, not as a 'tax' but a 'fee mandate'. Obama clearly kept reiterating it is, "NOT A TAX" so it could pass both houses. As a tax it would have required 67% instead of the simple majority of 51%, it would have failed in BOTH houses. But the SCOTUS said, "for the ACA to be legitimate we must define it as a tax". "OK" Obama said, "IT IS A TAX". Well then, it clearly IS a tax, the ultimate verdict belongs to the Supreme Court, as the libs tout, so why not take a re-vote on the ACA? Why doesn't the pelosi/reid/obama regime abort it, they are good at that and take a legitimate re-count? It's because they have no honesty, no scruples, not a whit. Their credo is lie & spy, deceive & achieve their Marxist State. It is their absolute goal, their picture of politics, their pornography. If leftists continue to deny the above, then I rest my case.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 11:12 am

    If this is the Patrice who is commenting here, then she certainly does not mean to convey that "freedom and liberty are extremist".

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  • PatriceOctober 12, 2013 - 11:49 am

    No, Evelyn I can not take the credit for the wonderful expression of Patrice Hosting. Thank you for pointing her article out. I am a citizen who does not think freedom and liberty are extreme or extremist. Our birthright! I just do not agree with some of your views or the way some go about expressing theirs.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 12:38 pm

    Patrice: I'd be more than happy to consider views of mine that you disagree with. Let me know which ones you consider particularly egregious. I promise to get back to you, but probably not straight away.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 11:21 am

    Rod, very good. So my question is, if it was a tax, not a fee, and only 51% passed it when 67% was required, doesn't that make the law null and void? Hmmm, another law suit?

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 11:31 am

    Rod, you are exactly right. I have a question that I have posed on other sites that is still unanswered. Leftist tend not to ask questions as just being told what to believe is far less strenuous for them. My question is this; if someone chooses to forego the mandate and just pay the TAX, will they be denied healthcare? It could be argued that if they are not denied healthcare, that makes the left liars and if they are denied healthcare it still makes the left liars. I would like if one of you obamacare supporters takes a stab (no pun intended) at answering my question. But be forewarned you don't share my level of ignorance and I don't share your level of education.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 11:55 am

    "The data is going to indicate sadly that when the obama administration is over, black people will have lost ground in every single leading economic indicator category." -- Travis Smiley, liberal political commentator, talk show host, PBS (also a member of the same minority group that voted for obama +/- 95%, twice) Symbolism over Substance

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    "You may have MANY personalities.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    We will soon be in default. As their extortion demands will not be met, the Congress will fail to do its job showing their petulance and disregard for the United States. The president must then take command, as the president and commander-in-chief, and announce on the morning of the default that he will perform the job that the Congress has failed to do. The president has the duty and he will do his duty. Result, of course, is that the Tea/Republican Party will be crushed. Bring it on.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    Longhofer, break out the champagne, your wish for a communist dictator come true. Guess I'll have to prepare for the gulag or camp since I won't kneel or beg or capitulate.

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  • EvelynOctober 12, 2013 - 12:39 pm

    Dee#1: When has James ever expressed a wish for a communist dictator?

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 12:40 pm

    Dee, if the Congress fails to do its job, the president will have no choice. The alternative is financial collapse (I know that some Tea/Republicans say that we have enough money to pay the interest on the TBills and then 25 cents here, 50 cents there for other government obligations). We must therefore thank the Tea/Republicans for making the president a dictator, if that's what you will call him. I accept the term dictator, in lieu of financial collapse and a national depression. And, given the actions of the president it will be litigated in the courts over the next few years so he cannot be termed a dictator. Dictators do not face litigation.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 12:46 pm

    Dee, are we back to Longhofer? My full name has been known to this site and the print Mt.Democart for decades. I have never had a bad phone call (well, except for the robocalls from Tom, my carpetbagger rep). Although I have had thoughts on my front porch when a pickup truck goes by how easily they could put bullet holes in me. I hope I'm not giving Teabagger any ideas.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 1:02 pm

    James, where do we draw the line on what a "financial collapse" is? 20 trillion, 30, 40? I guess as long as some generation down the road is paying for it there can never be a definition of financial collapse. "It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes — a principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." -- Thomas Jefferson

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 1:05 pm

    While I have missed my shot to be president (chuckle), I have commanded military units. And, when there is a pending disaster, the commander steps in and does what has to be done even at risk of his career. That's what a president or commander is -- doing that which has to be done. All this being said, I hope the Congress does it job before next Thursday. Frankly, I am not hopeful because they cannot do so without extortion (because if they do their careers will be at risk). And, these patriots always put their political careers ahead of the nation.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 1:09 pm

    We have the sayings from the 1700-1800 Jefferson. I wonder what he would be saying if he was the 2013 Jefferson?

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    OK, having no crystal ball that will tell me the maximum national debt relative to the GNP at some point in the future, I'm going to wander off -- be back later.

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  • robertdnollOctober 12, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    i knew you were sent to prison but i didn't know you took a bullet to save someone's life.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    *** delete Democart, add Democrat.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 1:33 pm

    Robert, I just cannot get away. Guess you didn't read the citations for my valor awards regarding getting shot. An interesting fact about my awards is that in addition to the seven valor awards, I have 45 Air Medals. All for combat missions. Robert, how many Air Medals do you have? But, enough talk about Robert -- hahahaha. Off to Home Depot.

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  • Tea BaggerOctober 12, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    I'm wondering how much better off our society would be if parasites like James E. and John Garon were forced to live off of S.S. and medicare like the vast majority of Americans have had to do. Those not fortunate enough to retire with a federal retirement. Lessor beings in society like school teachers, grocery store clerks, pet shop owners don't ever even have a chance to earn a golden ticket like what these two get. James E. threatens to stick around, sucking blood off our society for another 30 years. Maybe it is time to discuss a term limit for parasites. Isn't 30 years of European vacations and chemo for pets long enough for our society to endure these 1%'ers? After all what do they contribute to society anyway? Call it our government's right to choose. Or a 4th trimester abortion. Then at least maybe Obama will come up with the funds to help those poor soles who live with out hope in Chicago.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    Did I just hear another whine from Teabagger? No, guess not.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:12 pm

    I like Home Depot. Need a certain kind of light bulb? They've got it. Quick in, quick out.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 12, 2013 - 2:13 pm

    Tea Bagger, you are indeed most likely a leftist, commie, pinko troll. Almost certainly. 99.99% certainty leftist troll.

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  • robertdnollOctober 12, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    my mistake and my apologizes

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    Teabagger is a compulsive whiner. Those not fortunate enough to have a federal retirement?? Fortune has nothing to do with it. Teabagger could have joined the military or the State Department. Wonder why Teabagger didn't join the military or the State Department? Wonder, wonder, wonder. Guess he didn't join so he could whine about it.

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  • observerOctober 12, 2013 - 2:22 pm

    Clearly the water supply must have been poisoned. Could there be any other explanation?

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:23 pm

    Robert, accepted.

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  • robertdnollOctober 12, 2013 - 2:34 pm

    very generous,thank you

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 2:32 pm

    Evelyn, he has never said those words. It is the actions that he supports that tell the tale. Dictatorship ----he supports unilaterally changes of law without congress consent; complete financial control by the WH; control of businesses and population through regulatory rules enforced by paramilitary action for everything from failure to pay an education loan to a routine check of water at a mine; refusal of the WH and other agencies to follow the law regarding protections of privacy; use of the IRS to deny opponents participation in the electoral process.---------Communism, control markets and financial entities;take from producers to give to others, especially cronies and friends; control of education; control of media;and especially eliminate all opposition.-----_communist dictatorship

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:33 pm

    Mr. Fred's operation to cut the cancers off his spleen (actually spleen removed) and his chemo -- expensive. But, we had an agreement when I rescued him. He would rescue me if I fell in the river, and I would never leave him wounded on the battlefield. I have not yet fallen in the river, but if I do Mr. Fred will save me. I could have let him die or let him die now. Not going to happen, no matter how unhappy Teabagger gets about it. By the way, Teabagger, how about doing something useful and make contributions to the K9 and the support dog. And then stuff your completed contributions in your mouth to stop the whine.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    Yes, we are back to Longhofer. And incidents have happened to me. You see your experiences are not the sum of all experiences.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 2:47 pm

    Tea Bagger, envy of someone who worked for their prosperity is not a becoming trait. Longhofer and Garon worked for their pensions. However, it is also unbecoming when they express horror about successful business executives but not politicians who become multimillionaires through the public purse. So Tea Bagger knock it off.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 2:50 pm

    Tea Bagger, I suggest you take James's advice and send a little something for the new K9 dog. It will make you feel good.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:52 pm

    Dee, we have had incidents since we came together over dogs? You are a conservative, I'm a liberal -- I think we can still coexist. It's the American way.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:53 pm

    Yes, we all are a result of our experiences. I could have easily been a conservative, but it was not to be.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 2:55 pm

    The House has gone home until Monday at 5PM. The Senate may still be in session.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    James, I am really ticked that Tea Bagger made me defend you. You are only Longhofer when you go all drivelly(Is that a word?).

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 3:25 pm

    Dee, but what else could you do? Teabagger is not a reasonable person. You know, I don't think that drivelly is a word, but it does seem to work.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 12, 2013 - 3:26 pm

    Dee, be ware of liberals bearing cute, poignant dog stories.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 3:29 pm

    Phil, I am in 100% agreement with you on the teabag. It is not untypical for one of such shallowness to use such a technique. Since they are incapable of mounting a defense for what they subscribe to they impersonate their opposition in order to misrepresent what they support and believe. It isn't much different than someone who cannot defend the global warming fraud scientifically claiming that those who know it is a fraud don't want clean air and water.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 3:33 pm

    Phil, come on, tell us a dog story.

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  • cookie65October 12, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    Did any of you see the "glitch" in the EBT card system that effected users nation wide? Coincidence?

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  • Hugh AdlerOctober 12, 2013 - 3:37 pm

    There once was a young man so snivelly That no one could speak to him civilly. We just called him an ass— Hey, I'm sorry it's crass, But whenever he spoke it was drivelly.

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    Thank you Hugh .

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 3:55 pm

    Phil,I will keep that in mind. You will note, it didn't take long to get back to Longhofer.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    Dee, that thing from Hugh couldn't be about me because I'm no longer a young man. Phil, admit it -- you love a good dog story. Evelyn, I just watched a good movie "Take Me Home." I don't think it can be watched online from Netflix, you would have to order it. When it finished I told my wife, "That was a good little movie." She replied that she didn't think I liked romantic comedies. I told her, "Well, I liked that one, but don't let Phil find out or he will tell everyone I'm a girly man."

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  • Dee#1October 12, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    James, I am sure you are young at heart. Hugh's limerick made laugh out loud. I am always grateful for that. That is why I like Cookie.

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  • James E.October 12, 2013 - 10:17 pm

    Well, it seems to have been a slow night. Perhaps everyone all talked out?

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  • The Koch brothersOctober 12, 2013 - 10:23 pm

    Ah Cookie our little puppet, Dance, Dance Dance!! Faster ...Faster!! But you can take a break to watch NASCAR

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  • muffinOctober 12, 2013 - 11:39 pm

    if there are children involved I think its time for someone to intervene. spreading hate is considered child abuse. I know not in her mind but she is not sane. the definition of crazy is doing or in her case saying the same thing over and over again and getting the same results. Please if there are children can someone help? (in re... to cookie of course)

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 4:23 am

    One of the great sham's of obozocare is the notion that all the young adults need to be spending what little money they have on healthcare premiums. They have a far greater need to save for retirement. The left being the left, has determined those who are younger are the way to cover the gaps created by their socialist theories. Knowing the overwhelming bulk of their premiums won't be used on their own behalf, will offset the costs of older generations who will consume the majority of healthcare. But it only adds to the existing problem of people not having saved for retirement. It isn't difficult to predict the certain failures of leftist theories. Just look around at all the "programs" they have bankrupted and apply that reality to everything they get their slimy hands on. (muffin, $1,000 says my oldest son has twice your IQ)

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 4:37 am

    Phil, teabag is now the Koch brothers. I would apologize to James for the remarks directed at him from teabag but they were made by one of his own.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 6:43 am

    James, there are countless obama voters who cannot adopt any of the dogs in the ads. In order to adopt a dog you must show an I.D. and as we have been told repeatedly by the left and their media, obama voters are incapable of acquiring an I.D.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 6:48 am

    Since the government is shut down, can I tear the tag off my mattress without the fear of imprisonment?

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 6:51 am

    Isn't obama's mother in law residing in a federal building while others are being tossed from their homes by his brownshirts?

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:26 am

    No, Tea Bag is not one of James' own. And while on the subject of James (much easier than discussing issues), he missed his calling. James, you should have been in the diplomatic corp. You remain remarkably civil throughout it all.)

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 7:35 am

    Evelyn, you do understand I am speaking strickly in a political sense? ie. party affiliation, voting record, ideology, not personality, civility, cordialness.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:42 am

    I must have missed the comparisons on party affiliation, voting record & ideology.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 7:49 am

    Are "missed" and "assumed" synonyms?

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:59 am

    Huh???????????? (Enough!!! James takes care of himself admirably well and will be embarrassed to see us talking about him behind his back.)

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 8:55 am

    This is the funniest thing I have read all week. It could be right our of a sermon delivered by obama's racist pastor. It seems the k-9's in LA are racists. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/racist-la-police-dogs-only-bite-latinos-and-africanamericans-8874913.html

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  • pollockerOctober 13, 2013 - 10:28 am

    Re Cookie's comment re Requiring young adults to buy insurance: that extortion (james "!) is needed to be able to subsidize insurance for older, less healthy people. Anyone look at the rates? 4k/yr for a 24 year old earning 45'k/yr. That is nearly 10 percent of gross. Healthy young people need major medical for serious accidents/illness only. cookie is right - their money oughta go into savings, not some idiotic socialist program.

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  • muffinOctober 13, 2013 - 12:59 pm

    cookie what does I Q have to do with spreading hate and insanity. there have been serial killers with high I Q"s. You are an extremely horrible angry person who should not be around children. I don't care if it is talking politics or the birds and the bee's you seem to be on the verge of cracking. I would hate to hear you talk in person. Unless of course you are completely different and are hiding behind your anonymity. In which case you are a coward.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    I'll bet your birth certificate doesn't show that your parents named you Muffin.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 1:24 pm

    Muffy is a name I remember from the past (1956). Her father was a big oil man in Texas.

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  • muffinOctober 13, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    oh no Evelyn We r in EDC like cookie I don't want to get shot!

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 1:34 pm

    muffin. regarding your assertion relating high IQ and serial killers. LINK - As a result of testing conducted in the fifth grade, which determined he had an IQ of 167 ~~~ regarding anonymity and cowardice ---->muffin

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Phil, I read recently that the average IQ in the U.S. is 98. You are the math expert, please confirm that this means that half of all Americans have IQs under 98. If so, no wonder we have problems.

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  • muffinOctober 13, 2013 - 1:52 pm

    Phil I realize your need to protect your sister. but please try doing it without being a typical right wing hypocrite.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    Phil doesn't need to protect me; I'm not a serial killer.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 1:53 pm

    Actually, I understand the concept of average, but I would like Phil's stamp of approval.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    Muffin!!! Tell Patrice that yesterday's @12:38 pm offer to discuss the issues still stands.

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  • PatriceOctober 13, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    Evelyn, didn't get your message because I didn't come back til now and started looking from the bottom up. Now I have seen your invitation. You are not making me feel very welcome to do so Evelyn. I do not know Muffin. Although I did answer a question she posted about cookie noname. When I return again to this place, and if I find it of interest to respond, I sure will. I do not seem to have the time the energy or the desire that many of the folks here do. My apologies for not responding fast enough. And thank you for your invitation.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    Acknowledged, Patrice. And I should not have made Muffin my interlocutor.

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  • PatriceOctober 13, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    Ok. Thank you, Evelyn.

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  • muffinOctober 13, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    I have done nothing except show concern for those [if there are children] who have to listen to this spew of hate and name calling. Not healthy and I think most rational humans would agree. I am not hiding behind any political views.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 2:05 pm

    Your political views, whatever they may be, are not at issue. Rather, you charged someone with hiding behind a cloak of anonymity while calling yourself Muffin. Truly, I don't care what you call yourself, but at least be even handed.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    James, consider this example. Fifteen (15) chihuahuas are tested for IQ. Ten chihuahuas have IQs of 10. Five chihuahuas have IQs of 100. The average IQ for those fifteen chihuahuas is 40. Two thirds are below 40. One third of the chihuahuas have IQs above 40. Where does Fred fit?

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    Mr. Fred has an IQ of 115, Ricky has an IQ of 120, Rina has an IQ

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  • DavidOctober 13, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Interesting I remember awhile back cookie questioning the hour someone was posting which was about 3:30 am insinuating they were a druggie. Hmmmm Has anyone noticed her posting time? Does big fat hypocrite ring a bell?

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    of 105, and Cassy has an IQ of 125. Chihauhuas are smart.

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  • muffinOctober 13, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    OMG Evelyn Get with it! Not talking about you Talking about cookie noname

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:27 pm

    Patrice/Muffin sweetie, you are well beyond just cracking. Perhaps soaking your head in a large bucket of ice water will help. Thank you for displaying to everyone what the mental disease of leftism looks like. You have done a better job at exposing it than I ever could.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:30 pm

    David, if you sleep 'til noon that is your business. I read more before 6 am than you do in a week.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 2:33 pm

    James, here is another IQ math example. Fifteen liberals are IQ tested. Five liberals have IQs of 75. Five liberals have IQs of 95. Five liberals have IQs of 125. The average liberal's IQ is 98 1/3. Two thirds of liberal's IQs are below 98. One third of liberal's IQs are above 98. The five liberals with IQs of 125 grow up and become conservatives.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 2:40 pm

    OMG. An I.Q. = 75 means I'm a liberal. Guess I was just born lucky!!! (P.S. This is more fun than housecleaning, to which I must get back.)

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Phil, have you ever heard of the Florist twins? One was a budding genius and the other was a blooming idiot.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 2:46 pm

    Phil, does that mean that 2/3 of the IQs in America are 98 or below. Roughly 210 million Americans. Explains a lot. The five liberals who grew up to become Conservations had really, really, rich dads.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:52 pm

    James, Chihuahuas are incredibly smart. I have read they are up near the top for animals with a brain the size of a walnut. Birds don't get near enough credit for their cleverness. Crows and Ravens will actually move a dead squirrel out of the road in order to eat it and not get hit by cars. They will also use tools to get to food. In fact they will use one tool to acquire another tool in order to get to food. We have 50 million people on welfare who haven't even mastered a single tool to get to food, other than an EBT card.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:55 pm

    James, since 2008 I have been saying the most historic thing about bama's election is the record number of double digit IQ voters.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    Cookie, I love to cup Cassy's apple head in my hand and think about what's going in that little brain. Cassy loves to be rubbed and when I sometimes rub Rina, Cassy gets up in my face with that look of "Hey, what's the deal here? You are rubbing the wrong Chihuahua."

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    James, James, James! You just don't get it. The five smart young liberals came from average/humble beginnings. They went out into the world, used their intelligence, started businesses, got rich, got robbed by th' liberal gvmt, and rebelled after they accidentally stumbled into a Tea Party meeting.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    Phil, OK, I understand now.

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  • Dee#1October 13, 2013 - 3:05 pm

    David, Muffin, Patrice , TeaBagger andVern must all be disgruntled furloughed federal employees, who's feelings are hurt because they are nonessential.

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  • PatriceOctober 13, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    I do work for the VA, in a very hands on capacity. Haven't and won't be furloughed. I am very essential in my job. For me there are worse things than being furloughed. How about you?

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  • Big BenOctober 13, 2013 - 3:13 pm

    There is a difference between smart and wise. Smart is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wise is knowing not to put it in fruit salad. Those who profess to be smart usually are not wise. Look at all the time some waste here. Time is precious. I rest my case.

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  • Pat RiceOctober 13, 2013 - 3:23 pm

    Ben, TY 4 hanging around & joining in.

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  • Pat RiceOctober 13, 2013 - 3:29 pm

    cluck cluck holds verns hand

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 13, 2013 - 4:06 pm

    Phil...my IQ is 162. It has never worked out for me...lololol....I am not a conservative or a liberal or a serial killer...im still deciding what I am going to be when I grow up.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    Fran, Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right.

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  • R J CarterOctober 13, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    Went to the annual gun show at the P-Ville Fairgrounds yesterday...Kind of a "Liberal Free Zone" ...It was wonderful....

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 4:17 pm

    HOW creative, R. J.!

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 13, 2013 - 4:39 pm

    Big Ben..."“Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing that a tomato doesn’t belong in a fruit salad.”* So said Ken Silveira, president of Mastronardi Produce-West, to an appreciative audience at the Fresh Produce and Floral Council meeting."...he was wrong. Ingredients Ripe mango, peeled, seeded and chopped Strawberries, hulled and sliced 1 pint Zima cherry tomatoes, halved 1 6-ounce container Baby Kiwi, halved Dressing: optional

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  • Carmen MirandaOctober 13, 2013 - 6:42 pm

    Evelyn I guess you're just too dense to understand the use of an adage to illustrate a point. I suppose you could also add to a fruit salad a cricket, a rats tail, or even some hemlock. After all its your constitutional right to free peach

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 13, 2013 - 7:03 pm

    Carmen Miranda: Miles Kington wrote this--" Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing that a tomato doesn’t belong in a fruit salad"...Miles was famous for ""Albanian Proverbs" which appear profound at first glance, but are actually meaningless" (wiki)

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:07 pm

    Carmen: I'm too dense for a great many things!!!

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  • John Jacob Jingle Heimer SchnidtOctober 13, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Phil, telling someone to shut the f up? How mature, thank you for displaying the pee parties eloquent ability to communicate in mono-syllables. And how is it OK for your pals Dee#1 and Cookie to display a moniker but not Muffin? Thanks for demonstrating what blatant hypocrites you Pee parties are. Perhaps you should put your head inside your teapot, It might help keep your brain from seeping out your ears. Damn, are you people invalents, invalid,(Sl) incarcerated, or do you just have verbal dysdecorum?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 5:06 pm

    John Jacob Jingle Heimer Schnidt, you must be one of the first 1/3 mentioned at October 13, 2013 - 2:33 pm.

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  • Just call me JohnOctober 13, 2013 - 6:06 pm

    Overwhelming Phil, the use of a one disyllable word in your entire posting. If I were you I wouldn't consider myself to be the intellectual litmus test. It is synonamous with going to a dentist who is edentulous.

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  • Frank DrebinOctober 13, 2013 - 5:23 pm

    John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, His name is my name too. Whenever I go out, The people always shout, "There goes John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt!" Da da da da da da da da

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  • Frank DrebinOctober 13, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown, And Jill came tumbling after. Up got Jack, and home did trot, As fast as he could caper. He went to bed and bound his head, With vinegar and brown paper.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    Old mother Hupboard went to the cupboard to get her poor daughter a dress, when she got there the cupboard was bare and so was her daughter I guess.

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  • Frank DrebinOctober 13, 2013 - 5:56 pm

    Why does California have the most attorneys, and New Jersey have the most toxic waste dumps? (New Jersey got first pick.)

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  • Frank DrebinOctober 13, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    "You seem to have more than the average share of intelligence for a man of your background," sneered the lawyer at a witness on the stand. "If I wasn't under oath, I'd return the compliment," replied the witness.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 6:07 pm

    John Jacob Jingle Heimer Schnidt, I was looking for some evidence in your comment that would separate you from those you described as such, "Damn, are you people invalents, invalid,(Sl) incarcerated, or do you just have verbal dysdecorum?" I couldn't find any. Although I found pee party to be quite original. I guess it isn't actually monosyllable. Keep in mind, all the aggravation you and the others experience having the destructive, pathetic failures of leftism plastered all over these pages won't stop those of who do it. Head over to mediamatters, moveon, dipsh*tunderground, fencepost or any of the other all-leftism-all-the-time sites in order to be continuously fed what you want to hear.

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  • Cookie CutterOctober 13, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    Are you telling me to not post here because I dont agree with you? Cookie, the real dictator! I see your willingness to defend my right to free speech! Keep drinking the Koch Kool-aid. Do you paint your roses red?

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  • Dee#1October 13, 2013 - 6:09 pm

    John Jacob Jingle Heimer SchnidtOctober 13, 2013 - 4:57 pm ---------calm down, you sound unhinged. Muffin is making serious allegations against Cookie while castigating her about her lack of clear identification while posting as Muffin. That makes her appear as a hypocrite not to mention irrational. Your missive makes you sound as if YOU are suffering verbal dysdecorum when you use the term pee to tell someone how wrong it is to use terms you find offensive. You may not like our political views but we find them very valid and none of us are incarcerated. Oh, and the word invalent is conjugation of the Latin word invaleo which means "I prevail". Let me assure you, Phil, Cookie and I will prevail.

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  • Grammer PoliceOctober 13, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    -Oh, and the word invalent is conjugation of the Latin word invaleo which means "I prevail".- No article(grammer) before the noun "conjugation"?. thats what happens when you try to use big words

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  • Dee#1October 13, 2013 - 6:31 pm

    John Jacob Jingle Heimer Schnidt Did you mean synonymous? For all of your use of a thesaurus you fail to sound coherent. Try arguing policies or political philosophies instead of insults. You might have fun.

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  • The Grammer PoliceOctober 13, 2013 - 7:09 pm

    You say I'm incoherent? “I don't believe you are TeaBagger or John because the writing pattern if different , but you may personalities. I just don't know but to act that using our first names is full disclosure is simply wrong”. Is this English?

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  • Good for the gooseOctober 13, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    Like-"David, Muffin, Patrice , TeaBagger andVern must all be disgruntled furloughed federal employees, who's feelings are hurt because they are nonessential." or cookie65October 12, 2013 - 6:07 am If you clowns lack the knowledge, intellect and communication skills to defend the piles of rotting excrement you call political policy, how is that anyone else's fault. Stand on the sidelines and wait for you self-esteem ribbon. Or cookie65October 13, 2013 - 4:23 am One of the great sham's of obozocare ..... Or cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:27 pm Patrice/Muffin sweetie, you are well beyond just cracking. Perhaps soaking your head in a large bucket of ice water will help. Thank you for displaying to everyone what the mental disease of leftism looks like. You have done a better job at exposing it than I ever could. Or cookie65October 13, 2013 - 2:55 pm James, since 2008 I have been saying the most historic thing about bama's election is the record number of double digit IQ voters. Nope, no insults there

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Dee #1, they can't. How can any sane rational person argue that a system based on the redistribution of wealth, centralized government, endless government control and authority, that has failed as many times as it has been tried and led to the slaughter of millions of people is good for this country? Or it is good for anyone or anything for that matter. They operate on pure emotions and it comes out when their beliefs are questioned.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    I leave for awhile and the whole site goes bonkers.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 6:46 pm

    I want Cookie's money. Also, Dee's money and Phil's money. Put in black sacks and hide it behind KFC on Main Street. I will pick it up later.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 6:50 pm

    That is also why leftists are so angry all the time. They project their anger on others as a means of not having to defend the indefensible. They project their racism, hate, selfishness, spite, instability, jealousy, envy and virtually every basic emotion they have on others. Look at the occupy parasites. Look at the rent-a-mobs the left uses to intimidate and out scream people with. It makes them feel like they have power. Leftism is like cancer in a society. It needs to crushed into oblivion. It always collapses under the weight of its own unsustainable utopia, the question is always how much destruction it will leave behind in the process.

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  • RainbowOctober 13, 2013 - 7:54 pm

    Leftists angry? Have you been to a gay pride day? Sure look happy to me!

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 6:50 pm

    Cookie, are you Ann Rand? Law of the jungle, the strong use and then devour the weak. P.S., don't forget, I want your money.

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 7:08 pm

    The strong do well, the weak are left wounded on the battlefield to die. The natural order of things in the Ann Rand world. No mercy (which shows weakness) to the sick or the old. Best that those sick and old die because they contribute nothing and only consume our resources.

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  • PatriceOctober 13, 2013 - 7:31 pm

    I think there are many similarities with Ayn Rand and this makes for self righteously right, right?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 13, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    Carmen I believe you were replying to me--not Evelyn. Evelyn is probably confused about using hemlock in salad. James--if I had money--I would put it in a sack for you and your kind heart towards your furry friends. Cookie has a last name...it is "65." Phil...thank you. I hope everyone is enjoying their brief stay on the wall...we need jokes..."no"--not about the posters...lololol

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:13 pm

    Fran: Rarely do I put hemlock in salads.

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    WOW. Busy day on the farm.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 7:15 pm

    . . . . the 49ers won . . . .

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 13, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    Im glad to hear that Miss Evelyn...and I am sorry Carmen took out their anger on you...they were responding to me--I think.lololol

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  • EvelynOctober 13, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    DEFINITELY not an issue, Fran!!! (I mean, about the misplaced (?) anger.)

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  • James E.October 13, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    OK, now that I've done my drivel, I'm off to Hulu for Chief Inspector Morse. Later.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    Patrice, saccharine makes poor syrup.

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  • PatriceOctober 13, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    Mr. Veerkamp, are you still angry with me? This is who I am really. I will speak up and say what I want to say, but without the awful negativity as before. I learned that I only hurt myself by name calling and being disrespectful. It was a pretty good release though! I also learned to ignore when I need to.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    James, I have never read Ann Rand. Why read fiction when you have reality staring you in the face? Other than the rich, what demographic has prospered under obama? Leftism always leads to the same thing. The overlords of feudalism owned the land and their subjects toiled it. The overlords then confiscated all but enough for them to survive on. Everyday the government gets closer to being our overlords and we get closer to being their subjects. A government that can give you everything can take everything away.

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  • cookie65October 13, 2013 - 7:47 pm

    One of the things I find fascinating about obama is his ability to sell a worn out, tired, failed, debilitating ideology he has adopted/hijacked from many before him as his own. And they slurp it up as if somehow it hasn't been tried before. It is just a rehashing of the same old class warfare that leads to slavery. I am not certain it has as much to do with his ability as his followings ignorance. Ignorance is far to generous a word for them.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 13, 2013 - 8:14 pm

    Patrice, I am NOT angry with you. If you and I were in kindergarten and you sat in front of me I'd be dipping your pigtail in the ink well. I just never grew up. I tried adulthood once and I found it extremely disagreeable. I've reverted. Some look at a 69 year old kid with a degree of skepticism and disdain. Tough.

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  • PatriceOctober 13, 2013 - 8:32 pm

    I am glad Mr. Veerkamp...really without the saccharine. In 7th grade the boy behind me stuck gum in my hair. I ended up marrying him years later.

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  • DavidOctober 13, 2013 - 9:42 pm

    cookie you are just confirming my point that you rightwingers are hypocrites. Someone else posts in the middle of the night and they are a druggie. You post in the middle of the night and it is because you read more than me before 6a.m. than I read in a week. Wow do you get it Miss hypocrite or are you one of Phils low I.Q. friends?

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  • cookie65October 14, 2013 - 5:25 am

    David, are you going to provide some evidence to support what you allege I have said, or just keep inventing some world of make believe around it? This is no different than you claiming I was being informed about piglosi being on the payroll of the IT company EDD used from some underground site. Of course you never said another word when I posted a link to one of our local news stations.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 15, 2013 - 9:31 am

    Left to go to a wedding for the weekend and when I came home and looked at this site, the same ole dripping hatred, put downs etc. No wonder the world is so messed up..people are not standing together because of differences in opinion, political affiliation, race, religion, gun rights or whatever...sad sad world...btw Dee#1 did you ever succeed at closing down the Rusty Nail Saloon after their employee hit and killed a bicyclist while way over the legal limit??? And Dave, Kooky could very well be on meth, look at ole Rush Limbaugh, Mr. Oxycontin addict...lets just keep the hate going...don't try to work together to change things...heavens no.

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  • Dee#1October 15, 2013 - 9:36 am

    Oh Brother, wrong Dee.

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  • Dee#1October 15, 2013 - 9:42 am

    Oh Brother, here is an example of leftist tolerance--------Longhofer statement of destroying opposition James E.October 14, 2013 - 12:27 pm Dee, in the Cavalry, when you get the enemy on the run you go into pursuit mode and run them down and destroy them. War is brutal, as should be politics. Reply | Report abusive comment ------------so please save your sanctimonious thoughts.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 15, 2013 - 9:44 am

    No I have the correct Dee#1-Dee#1 commented on: Car kills Pollock bicyclist.Resident Agent in Charge 1325 J Street, Suite 1520 Sacramento, California 95814 USA Voice (916) 498-5100 Fax (916) 498-5097 Good Luck!

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 15, 2013 - 9:46 am

    @Dee#1 - here is the second comment..Dee#1 commented on: Car kills Pollock bicyclist.Concerned Citizen- You absolutely correct. Here is the correct information.2400 Del Paso Road, Suite 155 Sacramento, CA 95834 (916) 419-1319 (916) 419-3994 FAX SAC.Direct@abc.ca.gov (mailto:SAC.Direct@abc.ca.gov

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  • EvelynOctober 15, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Oh Brother: True story: This weekend when you wrote "I am in fact done with this website" I nearly asked you not to leave. JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO I was wondering about you. (Not making this up.) I'm glad you're around. We won't always agree, and you're right that sometimes we could express our positions in a more palatable manner. But these are trying times, and are likely to become more so. Tensions are running high and we do a lot of venting. Hang in there.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 15, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Oh Brother observes, people are not standing together because of differences in opinion. Disagreeable disagreement - There ought to be a law - litigate disagreement - nicely - at the dinner table no talk of politics, religion, guns unless we all agree on politics, religion, guns . . . good luck . . . Oh Brother!

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  • EvelynOctober 15, 2013 - 9:55 am

    How does it happen that you and I often post at EXACTLY the same minutes?!!!

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  • EvelynOctober 15, 2013 - 9:56 am

    "minutes" out; "minute" in

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 15, 2013 - 10:01 am

    quantum entanglement

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  • EvelynOctober 15, 2013 - 10:04 am

    more scrabble-fare!!!

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  • Dee#1October 15, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Oh Brother, if I remember correctly I was offering information to all those who were whining about the issue. I no way amI interested in participating in shutting down establishments.

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  • Dee#1October 15, 2013 - 10:08 am

    Should read "No way am I ......"

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 15, 2013 - 10:17 am

    @Dee#1 - perhaps your enthusiasm directed toward political bickering would better serve being concerned about a businesses' product causing a result in death/injury and the consequences of driving while heavily intoxicated...I would prefer to put my energy into doing what I can to stop the abuse of alcohol/drugs...and if possible helping the addict..driving two times over the legal limit of alcohol and getting behind a wheel and the end result causing a death is a battle well worth trying to fight instead of politics...I do remember your post (still have it on my computer)..my take on it was that you were being rather sarcastic about it..I don't find death by drunk driving amusing nor do I find a young person being that drunk and then getting behind a wheel amusing either...if it means closing down that kind of business...no problem in my opinion...there are plenty of other businesses to support. And to be honest, I could care less if you think I am being sanctimonious...

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 15, 2013 - 10:20 am

    Evelyn, thank you for thinking of me...I can't be involved in debates that become so heated that hatred and name calling take over the context...you lose your thought and what it was you were trying to post because the nausea and disgust take over..

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  • James E.October 15, 2013 - 10:30 am

    Dee, no, I am not tolerant of the enemy in combat or the Tea Party that seems determined to tank our country. Both are enemies of the State (in my considerate opinion).

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  • Dee#1October 15, 2013 - 10:33 am

    Oh Brother, I would recommend that you don't judge people you know nothing about. If you are so offended Blythe actions,then do something about it. Don't ask others to do your bidding. If you thought I was sarcastic, that is your problem. As far as my comments go, if I have annoyed you, I have succeeded in my task to annoy. Your fake call for harmony is just a passive aggressive ploy to quiet the opposition. Now I will go back to ignoring you.

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  • Oh BrotherOctober 15, 2013 - 10:44 am

    @ Dee - ditto on your annoying comment, I have also accomplished the same...I do my own bidding...I am the one who posted the correct address to your incorrect one on that post...I will continue in my endeavors.

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