Monday, April 21, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Living in a vacuum

EDITOR:

Mr. Garon, your letter to the editor of June 3, “IRS vs. Tea Party” is incoherent, folly laced with derogatory comments and outright fabrications. So, I shall be no less blunt. Your stanch adherence to all things liberal has left you not only blinded, but deaf and dumb as well.

Do you live in a vacuum, John? No Conservative Groups denied 501(c) 4 status: Loons with AK-47s at Obama’s visits: Tea Party members sending ricin powder to, and making threats at the President and his family? Are you flippin’ nuts, John? Where do you get this stuff? John, TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already. Get that through your head. Earnest, concerned citizens like those TP’ers you so despise want only what is reasonable and fair for everyone. There is no hidden agenda for insurrection as you proclaim. Besides Mr. Garon, the beef with the IRS not only involves Tea Party groups but more than 500 different fundamental citizens groups that were singled out then threatened, harassed or stonewalled by the IRS, the most powerful of all government agencies.

Listen to what you are saying John Garon, “The IRS would be remiss were it not to investigate any organization whose members sport Lipton tea bags on their hats.” That is totally goofy Mr. Garon. Following your logic, folks with fishing lures, company logos or sports-pins on their hats will perhaps be the next groups to be singled out for selective persecution. There are so many high level management types who are suffering from spotty amnesia or refusing to answer questions by citing the Fifth Amendment that the IRS scandal simply does not pass a smell test.

Mr. Garon, if you think all is well in America I would suggest you ask a few questions of your friends and neighbors. Ask them if they would feel comfortable practicing a First Amendment right like signing a petition objecting to something the government or Obama or the House or Senate is doing. Or, would they join a group that is fighting a measure by Governor Brown, or a State Democrat sponsored bill? Ask them if they would affix their name to any document that might result in a government reprisal.

I suspect that they, like me, would be fearful and reluctant to add their signature.

Most of the mainstream news media including the L.A. and N.Y. Times, right- and left-wing talk radio, television including Chris Mathews, presidential adviser David Axelrod, as well as almost all Republican and a goodly number of our Democrat members of the House and Senate recognize that government has grown to the point that it is out of control as demonstrated by recent IRS actions. Citizens are afraid of their government and what it can, will and is doing that has a negative effect on countless individuals every day. Our rights are being violated and diminished each day all in the name of progress and security. Yet all that seems to progress is more government and more security for the jobs of persons who work for it.

Enough already, Mr. Garon. It is time to put an end to this intrusive government and re-establish governance more like the template enumerated in our Constitution.

HAL PETRIE
Placerville

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    This letter illustrates we live in two worlds, union and confederate. Each side speaks in different languages.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 17, 2013 - 1:14 pm

    Garon's the "confederate"?

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 1:17 pm

    thinking of confederates, it reminds me when robert e. lee left the union his contemporaries said he was doing spo so only to become a general. in his response lee always wore the insignia of a full colonel on his confederate uniform. excuse my problems, my keyboard seems to have gone nutso.

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 1:21 pm

    Phil, did you need to ask? don't be snarky. I must have dropped peanut butter on my keyboard. be proud you are a confederate. and, garon isn't. I would be saying this better if my keyboard was fully opeuatiuo opueu opu wueu wueu

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  • R.J. CarterJune 17, 2013 - 1:25 pm

    Seems we all owe Phil a huge debt of thanks...LOL....

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 1:25 pm

    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 1:39 pm

    Phil may get cheers on this site but the fact remains that we live in two worlds: Union and conferate con confederate, and Mr. garon is Union (if case Phil was confused in which world he resides). Have ordered a new keyboard -- hope to be back in business soon.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 17, 2013 - 2:19 pm

    R.J., show a little more compassion over the good Colonel's peanut butter dropping incident. Though you and I see it as a "tell" pointing to likely dissembling we are too much the gentlemen to call the good Colonel a liar . . . a fibber perhaps . . . never a liar.

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  • R.J. CarterJune 17, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Phil, I'm just worried about the Col's cholesterol level...That must have been one hell of a peanut butter sandwich..LOL..

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  • Dee#1June 17, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    R.J. Do not worry. It sound like most peanut butter ended up on the keyboard.

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 5:47 pm

    peanut butte tood butte good, bad on keyboad.

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    OK, back. Always good to have a second iMac in reserve. "Peanut butter good, bad on keyboard." As for peanuts clogging up your heart, I thought they were good for you???

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 17, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    How about offering the old keyboard to Fred? He may lick the problem. It couldn't hurt to give Fred a shot at IT.

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 6:44 pm

    No question, Mr. Fred loves his peanut butter. He goes in tomorrow to get a scan to see if his chemo is doing the job. I have to say he is acting two years old instead of 13. Just a wonderful little boy.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 17, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    Mr. Pertie writes, "Mr. Garon, . . . Your stanch adherence to all things liberal has left you not only blinded, but deaf and dumb as well." HEAR HEAR!!! - MR. Garon, do you have an answer for this? - http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/17/Violent-weekend-in-Chicago-Over-40-shot-7-dead

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 17, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    oops ~Petrie~ sorry

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  • James E.June 17, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    Phil, what is the connection between Mr. Petrie's statement and the number of shot dead in the windy city? How about Miami? How about Yuma? How about New Orleans? How about LA?

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  • R.J. CarterJune 17, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    Yup...It does look like Mr.Garon, (King Obama's Chief apologist) is facing a Checkmate.. .Added, As the White-house continues to implode over the next couple years things will only get much worst for our local Liberals..

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 18, 2013 - 10:29 am

    James, to your question, I defer to State Sen. Elbert Guillory, Louisiana - - - only 4 min. 18 sec, but powerful - - - LINK - Elbert Guillory Explains . . . 'Government Plantation' (VIDEO)

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  • James E.June 18, 2013 - 10:37 am

    Phil, refresh my memory -- what was the question?

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 18, 2013 - 10:43 am

    your question here(click on URL - MD's new forum code makes URL a "clickable link") - http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/living-in-a-vacuum/comment-page-1/#comment-733781

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 18, 2013 - 10:44 am

    OOPS! try this to your question, James - http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/living-in-a-vacuum/comment-page-1/#comment-733607

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  • James E.June 18, 2013 - 10:55 am

    Phil, just tell me my question.

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  • James E.June 18, 2013 - 11:00 am

    Phil, but I did read the comments of the Louisiana state politician. He could have saved a lot of words by simply saying: I became a Republican so I can run for Lt Governor in a state that only elects Republicans.

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  • James E.June 18, 2013 - 11:05 am

    While waiting for my question, I'm going to wander off a bit -- be back later.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 18, 2013 - 11:21 am

    Your question, James - Phil, what is the connection between Mr. Petrie's statement and the number of shot dead in the windy city? How about Miami? How about Yuma? How about New Orleans? How about LA? My answer via Sen. Elbert Guillory's video - http://www.noladefender.com/content/elb34ert-gui56llory-explains-party-switch-government-plantation-video - The liberal plantation is deadly.

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  • R.J. CarterJune 18, 2013 - 11:38 am

    James..Over the years Louisiana state has had 41 Democratic Governors and only 11 Republican Governors.....But, lets not let those pesky little things like facts get in way...I'm sure your reply was aimed at the uninformed crowd...

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  • James E.June 18, 2013 - 12:17 pm

    R.J., but in the past weren't the Democrats Republicans and the Republicans Democrats, so the election stats would be flawed. Who is the current governor and who is the current Lt. Governor -- both Republicans I bet, and the state republican himself said that he changed so he could run for Lt. Governor. Just to keep everyone informed.

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  • R.J. CarterJune 18, 2013 - 1:47 pm

    James ...So, let me get this straight...Louisiana state has had 41 Democratic Governors and only 11 Republican Governors and out of the 47 LT Governors the State Louisiana has had since the 1880's only 4 were Republicans.. Yet, you say the Democrats are really Republicans and the Republicans are really Democrats, so the election stats are flawed and that folks would rather run as Republican because somehow it's easier to get elected there as a Republican.????!!! .....That's it, I give up, you win, I'm headed for the liqueur cabinet....Good night .

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 18, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    R.J. - QUITTER!

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  • R.J. CarterJune 18, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    Phil...LOL...Yup, He wore me out...I gotta let you or Cookie deal with him.....

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  • James E.June 18, 2013 - 5:23 pm

    R.J., come back after a while -- I enjoy our back and forth.

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  • R.J. CarterJune 18, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    Thanks for the invite Col.,but my favorite show, The Big Bang Theory is coming on at 7:00 P.M. ..I'm planing on downing a couple Gray Goose Martinis and doing a whole lot of laughing...

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 27, 2013 - 10:09 am

    Upon failure to respond Mr. Garon concedes the point to the opposition.

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  • James E.June 27, 2013 - 11:10 am

    R.J., as to your reference to my cholesterol level given eating peanut butter. For years my level was 194 (just under the 200 line, although doctors have probably lowered the level to 5 to get everyone on pills). I just took a blood test last week and feared the results because I have been eating really high fat foods recently. Result is 186, so I'm still in the under 200 line ballpark. Phil, Mr. Garon perhaps hasn't provided a rebuttal because given Mr. Petrie's "thoughts," it just wouldn't matter. How does one respond when Mr. Petrie wants our government to return to 1776? Wouldn't our computers have to be shut down because George Washington had no knowledge of such magic in 1776, and there are no mention of computers in the Constitution.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 27, 2013 - 11:21 am

    James, when you say, " Mr. Petrie wants our government to return to 1776" you are . . . uh . . . fibbing.(I'm being respectful here, Colonel.) If you and your long-suffering spouse renew your vows, Colonel, you do not revert to the days of innocent, passionate bliss. You reaffirm the correctness of your long ago vows of commitment . . . bonded . . . even more strongly. You remain old and contentious . . . and committed.

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  • James E.June 27, 2013 - 11:37 am

    "--- re-establish governance more like the template enumerated in our Constitution." Phil, did I read that wrong? The template enumerated in our Constitution was written and signed in 1787. Mr. Petrie doesn't want to reaffirm his vows, he wants to "re-establish" government back to that 1787 template. Please use the "F" (fibbing) word lightly.

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 6:49 am

    OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. The single motivation behind all the garons of the world. Any one who objects to their easy access to other peoples money belongs in a concentration camp. James is correct about two worlds. In the world of garon, obama and all the rest of the freeloaders, government represents a red-carpet to privilege. It confiscates from those who earn and redistributes to those who don't. For everyone else government is the bully who steals our lunch money everyday and everyday demands a little bit more. We have the medical classification known as legally insane for a reason. If is reserved for people who are so disconnected from reality that they cannot be fixed. Leftism is a mental disease.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 7:27 am

    Cookie, this ought to be fun - - - LINK - Jeb Bush to give award to Hildabeast

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 9:03 am

    The term useful idiots is recyclable. http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/062813-661774-los-angeles-schools-teach-students-to-enroll-parents-in-obamacare.htm

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 9:08 am

    Phil, giving a liberty award to the beast makes as much sense as giving the peace prize to the bamster. What's next and honorary mensa membership for maxine waters?

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 9:12 am

    Cookie, I would have thought that Maxine Waters was beyond menses.

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 9:23 am

    Her hot flashes cooked her brain.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 9:31 am

    She must have won the LINK - "Mensus Cup" prior to her unfortunate brain cooking experience.

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 9:43 am

    Phil, your "reply" comments get hidden behind the comment box. A few bugs still floating around in the new and improved MD website.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 9:45 am

    moving on up . . .

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 9:46 am

    I have to clean my keyboard after that one Phil.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 10:06 am

    LINK - Obama yet to have African legacy like predecessors AP---Manougou Nbodj, a 21-year-old student, said he hopes Obama will bring American resources like jobs and health care. "If Obama can work with Macky Sall the way that George Bush worked with Africa before him, then we will be happy," he said, referring to the Senegalese president.

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  • Ken SteersJune 28, 2013 - 10:09 am

    Hello?

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  • cookie65June 28, 2013 - 12:06 pm

    Phil, obama has an African legacy. Some village in Kenya is missing its idiot.

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  • Fran DuChampJune 28, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    Cookie....lololololololololol..it is so hard to stay focused around some of your remarks...lololololololol

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  • Fran DuChampJune 28, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    Hello Ken...

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  • ken steersJune 28, 2013 - 9:08 pm

    I do not like this new system. I do not like change! Francesca thank you for acknowledging me.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Ken, are my affirmations of Ken Steers getting through to you or are they being misdirected to John Groan. I hollered out to you last night but either you are ignoring me or the new forum software is sabotaging our conversations. Ken, allow me to acknowledge you. I value you. You are a good man, Ken Here is a nice story In your honor – - – LINK - Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by wind turbine

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 10:25 pm

    Ken, allow me to acknowledge you. I value you. You are a good man, Ken Here is a nice story In your honor - - - LINK - Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by wind turbine</a but the story is from FOX, and you know how FOX lies

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  • Ken SteersJune 29, 2013 - 1:33 pm

    Thank you Phil

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  • James E.June 28, 2013 - 10:36 pm

    Phil, Fox News didn't lie, they just don't like wind turbines.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 28, 2013 - 10:57 pm

    Oh come on, Colonel! HEAVENS!!! Now you ARE fibbing. Fox just loves to point out DISPARATE application and prosecution of the Endangered Species act . . . the hypocrisy of selective prosecution.

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  • James E.June 28, 2013 - 11:30 pm

    Phil, I wasn't fibbing, I was postulating as a basis for discussion whether Fox News supports the green thing -- solar, wind, etc. Given the formula Obama likes, Fox News dislikes, I'm guessing they don't support the green thing.

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  • James E.June 28, 2013 - 11:41 pm

    The creation of Fox News was brilliant. Republicans starting their own TV outlet, assuring us they were fair and balanced. Pure genius.

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  • James E.June 28, 2013 - 11:54 pm

    Phil, time to shut down the net. Let's try again tomorrow.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 12:54 am

    LINK - God Bless Roger Ailes!!! - YESSSSS!

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  • DB SmithJune 29, 2013 - 6:21 am

    Ken, I don't like it either. I've written numerous comments that haven't gone through including some lengthy ones and some that welcomed Cookie and you back. It's good to see you back in the saddle. Hope and change isn't all that it was built up to be.

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 8:12 am

    Ken, you mentioned working with kids here in El Dorado county, what are you doing? You said you would be stepping back from politics so I assume you weren't talking about any of our esteemed political leaders when you said 'kids'.

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  • Ken SteersJune 29, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    Our "Snowball" Org. currently working on supplying all the Principals in our county with back packs of school supplies to be given to needy children. Then the Christmas shopping spree. Also this week is our Pro tennis tournament at Gold River. I am running out of hours in the day

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 8:15 am

    James, since Fox news reports the catastrophe and fraud wrapped up in and around all things green, when the alphabet networks won't are we to assume then that they are anti-green?

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 8:21 am

    Ken Steers, try clicking on this link - - - http://www.mtdemocrat.com/letters/living-in-a-vacuum/comment-page-1/#comment-734859

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 8:23 am

    James, this is from my file going back to march, it isn't from fox. I have some others going even further back, maybe I will look for them. It is called NEWS, it is difficult for some to deal with since the best our bootlicking media traveling on AF1 can offer is whether obama and his kids like the same breakfast cereal. http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/energy/eagle-death-nevada-wind-farm-brings-federal-scrutiny

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 8:44 am

    James, this is from the AP. The first paragraph reads, "CONVERSE COUNTY, Wyo. (AP) — The Obama administration has never fined or prosecuted a wind farm for killing eagles and other protected bird species, shielding the industry from liability and helping keep the scope of the deaths secret, an Associated Press investigation has found." Are we to assume the AP is anti-green? Perhaps they are anti-obama which according to garon that would make them racists. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-impact-wind-farms-gets-pass-eagle-deaths

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 9:06 am

    Cookie, what are the odds of selective enforcement/fines/penalties based on "correct" contributions of the energy company?

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 8:50 am

    Wind farms kill and estimated 39million birds a year. Of course if you talk to the typical braindead obama voter who heard him speak in Germany you would believe that global warming is the greatest threat of our time and not have the slightest clue of the costs the green fraud has on the environment. http://www.cfact.org/2013/03/18/wind-turbines-kill-up-to-39-million-birds-a-year/

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 9:32 am

    Phil, one of the first things to disappear in a leftists utopia is equal representation under the law. Political correctness and affirmative action remove the blindfold from lady justice. The person driving the Suburban in the diamond lane pays 10 times as much in gas tax as the lemming in the prius for the construction and maintenance of the freeway but which one gets a ticket?

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 9:34 am

    YES. "Returning to where we started: Why do “eco-minded” activists, regulators and politicians fail to use the Precautionary Principle to assess the harmful effects of wind turbines on birds and bats, and thus on insects and other pests that these creatures control? Why do they fail to consider the impacts that constant subsonic noise and vibrations from wind turbines have on human health and welfare? Because these are deliberate oversights! - See more at: http://www.cfact.org/2013/06/21/unprincipled-lack-of-precaution-on-wind-turbines/#sthash.vJYa6bZ6.dpuf

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Phil, the diamond lane is truly the perfect example of leftist logic on a number of different levels. The environMENTALists tell us the Suburban pollutes the planet with excessive amounts of carbon contributing to global warming while the prius has a tiny carbon foot print. So then the answer is to have the Suburban stuck in traffic creating even more greenhouse gases while the prius speeds along free of traffic delays. It is also the perfect example of government sponsored religion contrary to the leftists insistence on separation of church and state. The saddest part of the entire lockstep, groupthink fraud is that we have thousands of people with degrees in journalism who cannot connect the dots of insanity and instead you have to read it from some anonymous, extremists, uneducated, wingnut poster in a tiny local papers comment section.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 11:57 am

    HEY!!! I'm edicated. I just ain't got no degrees. Thermometers have degrees an you know here they get stuck.

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  • Fran DuChampJune 29, 2013 - 12:12 pm

    I just watched someone throw a lit cigarette from their car...before I could get out there...the car was up over the hill and I am being told not to worry so much about the thickened forest--right. I am not talking about everyone--I dont care what people smoke...Im worried that some one as careless as that person driving by throws a lit any thing out their window-and sets every thing up in flames. GRRRRRRRRRRRR

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 12:29 pm

    Fran, the money cut from maintaining the forest and reducing the fuel in the forest has gone to public service announcements intended on teaching people not to throw incendiary devises out of their moving vehicles. If I watched the local news they would tell me throwing lit flares out my car window into the forest could cause a fire. But they are advertising for it. It sells commercials. I love this time of year. We get tons of public service announcements for the obama voters. Warnings not to drown in the fast moving rivers. Warnings not to leave your children in your 180degree car while you are spending your welfare check at the local casino. Warnings to drink water. Warnings to avoid long exposure to excessive heat. Warnings, warnings, warnings. Warnings intended to prevent Darwin's theory from taking its toll on the dim base.

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  • cookie65June 29, 2013 - 12:35 pm

    Evelyn, here is your assignment. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-because-mom-said-so-93585.html

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  • EvelynJune 29, 2013 - 1:53 pm

    Isn't it strange, cookie, that the American people simply FAIL TO RECOGNIZE A GOOD DEAL that's staring them in the face.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 29, 2013 - 2:17 pm

    Here is a fun read - excerpt - So Much For “Patient Privacy”……. . . . The first young lady told me that “nobody” has to pay that difference – the insurance company would be paying it. When I tried to explain to her that the insurance company most definitely DOES NOT pay for a person’s policy, she tried her best to convince me that oh, yes, they do…… . . . I guess I flustered the first sweet young thing too much with my desire for explicit answers, because I was asked if I wanted to speak to an “escalation specialist” - I guess that’s the new customer-friendly term for a supervisor. . . . READ MORE: http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/so-much-for-patient-privacy/

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  • Fran DuChampJune 29, 2013 - 5:38 pm

    See... this is my problem--I wasnt taught to be afraid of government...so Im not...Im not a great follower either...not a lamb or a door mat....well now that I see what my problem is--..what now? lolololol....many people are calling me a trouble maker in town (shrugging shoulders--I would hope they are not thinking that hurts my feelings--it doesnt.) People are giving me more power than I have...whatever. I have had people say that I am not telling the truth--so I post a link or the email itself--or my favorite the video that proved Harper wasnt even there....I do my homework...I may create several scenarios to flush out the story...but that is the best part of research...what you discover along the way. Back to government...at 54--I cant imagine having to learn to fear government--but who knows. I do fear the possibility of an advisory board here in Pollock creeping back in someday...because I have heard what they want. Some-- truly believe they know what is right for a whole community. I am glad that idea is gone.. I so welcome the Sheriff to come talk to us at our town meeting--an old fashion town meeting where we get to talk to the person in charge of the law here. What a concept. Meeting July 22--bring a passport...Im thinking of making some for the residents of Pollock and Camino...I guess the rest can apply to whom ever is in charge of the people who come into our town....maybe the ugly blue billboard has some tiny writing on it...for a clue. there is another tourist (blue) sign next to the pizza factory--maybe thats where you check into town security...but be nice to the employees there--because they have no clue why tourists are directed to them. There is a table to the side which has some stuff on it. (CEDAPP provided) but some one forgot to tell the young people that with no extra pay--tourists may come in to ask tons of questions...and that the employees are suppose to answer them all. This is not a pizza factory thing--it is a CEDAPP thing--big sign says so. CEDAPP starts things no one has asked for --then just walks away...CEDAPP needs to go away...Has Harper ever run a business before?

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 6:13 am

    Fran, the geniuses who founded this country feared government. They did their best to create a system to restrict government. The 2nd Amendment is evidence of their fear of government. They too were troublemakers according to those who wished to rule over them. The same way the teaparty is nothing but trouble makers to obama, the IRS, garon and all the others who entitled to run your life for you.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 6:36 am

    Phil, here is a tasty little article on symbolism over substance (where have you heard that before?) from a source outside the USA. Boiling obama's Africa trip down to a $100million vacation. It is all rather accurate aside from accusing obama of being a deep thinker. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Africa-has-never-been-a-priority-for-the-United-States-/-/440808/1899238/-/adthw2/-/index.html

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 8:06 am

    Cookie, not to quibble but, " . . . President Obama is not Candidate Obama of five years ago. He is a pale shadow of the man who mesmerised the world with his oratorical skills, inspirational speeches and wide smiles. He is a limping version of the giant of a man who swept the world with his moving speeches, deep thinking and a great promise of a better tomorrow. . . . suggests to me that the author rethinks and pulls back from "deep thinking" Obama is a "pale shadow" of a "deep thinker" . . . perhaps the deep thinking was an illusion . . . ?

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 8:28 am

    Phil, I don't disagree. I do however take all the other superlatives as being dependent on the weak minded audience, optics and teleprompter. Deep thinking has nothing what so ever to do with production. The symbolism was intended to sell substance. The substance never existed.

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  • R J CarterJune 30, 2013 - 8:30 am

    It seems that over the last several years the Democrat party has taken both their ideals and their back-handed politics to a level that takes them beyond being just the opposition in a two party system.....Not unlike Islamic extremists, progressive Liberalism in America has morphed into what now seems to be more like a radical, fanatic religion waging war on all traditional American values.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Cookie, deep thinking used to be easy to spot. Tweed jacket with leather elbow patches, burl pipe in one hand, goateed chin stroked by the other . . . deep thinking from academia in progress . . .

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 8:39 am

    Phil, I read an article some time back that included a conversation between a couple of presidential reporters. A liberal female reporter who had spent 8 years following Bush around was leaving to take another assignment. She had been asked by another whether she was making a mistake because obama was looking to be such a transformative figure. Her reply was no because he (obama) was "paper thin". This was before obama was ever sworn in.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 8:42 am

    RJ, inexorably we transform from a planet of nations to a hive planet . . . who will be the queen?

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 8:43 am

    RJ, the axiom of the left is simple. If something cannot survive in the freemarket, subsidize it. If it thrives in the freemarket, tax it into oblivion.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 8:48 am

    Phil, some of the deepest thinkers I have ever known wore overalls.

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  • DB SmithJune 30, 2013 - 8:58 am

    Cookie & Phil, you guys talking about deep thinkers reminded me of the "Thinker" statue on the Doobie Gillis show with the beatnik anti-worker Maynard G. Krebs.

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  • Fran DuChampJune 30, 2013 - 9:06 am

    Cookie...I was brought up believing in a system that would have flaws...that would have corruption...that would have "dirty" politics. I was brought up to believe in Our Constitution as well. What I saw was money won...money trumps politicians, I come from a world that for a moment--people are people (doesnt include nice or mean...just people) with certain needs. So when asked if Im afraid of government...no. Now if I was face to face with some of the richest people in the world--yep--id be really well behaved. Do I believe our Presidents "rule" our nation--nope. The hierarchy of power will always be beyond my scope of vision...most people in power at my level--have people with more power behind them...lolol...I just hope my grandson has some freedoms when he grows up...that is basically all I can do. So I am researching "hope."

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 9:08 am

    DB, wasn't that Gilligan? Speaking of deep thinkers, obama assigned the crash test dummy to secure Snowdens capture. Inspector Clouseau, Maxwell Smart and Barney Fife all rolled into one. If Snowden had obama's college transcrpts he would already be room temperature.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 9:17 am

    "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." --Thomas Paine

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  • DB SmithJune 30, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Thats right Cookie, I had forgot that he played that part too. I'd love to see the crash test and Putin go at it.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 9:37 am

    Fran, in Thomas Paine's quote he is declaring government to be EVIL. It can never be anything more than a necessary EVIL and will forever possess the potential to become and intolerable EVIL. No wonder they teach nothing in the communist run schools about the founding fathers.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 11:25 am

    Is it too early to start taking bets on whether or not there will be riots when George Zimmerman is acquitted? When will we start holding the leftist media accountable for the destruction they are directly responsible for?

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 11:33 am

    I've forgotten which of the alphabet media did the worst and most despicable job of editing the 911 to make Zimmerman a profiling, hating racist. They foment hate. There are not words.

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  • Dee#1June 30, 2013 - 11:46 am

    Cookie, in answer to your question , there will be riots if Zimmerman is acquitted because of the injustice of a cracker gunning down a poor, innocent Black young man. There will be riots if Zimmerman is found guilty to celebrate that justice has been done.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 5:11 pm

    Phil, that would be NBC, they never divulged the name of the individual who committed journalistic fraud but claimed he was relieved of his services. You can bet he probably got a raise and dinner at the whitehouse. And we have people who claim FOX is biased.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 5:13 pm

    OK Dee#1, I have you down for riots either way.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 5:42 pm

    Dee always has been an optimist.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 5:43 pm

    Hey Phil, have you seen the pass alec baldwin is getting from the leftist media on his sick and twisted rant while the same media went out of their way to destroy Paula Deen?

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  • Dee#1June 30, 2013 - 6:13 pm

    Phil, riots are part of the redistribution plan.

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  • cookie65June 30, 2013 - 6:18 pm

    alec baldwin getting the double standard treatment from the left. The times we live in. Nixon bugged two offices and they demanded his resignation. obama has bugged the entire world and the still love him. Paula Deen admitted to using some slur 27 years ago after being robbed and losses everything while baldwin physically threatened someone he labeled a "toxic little queen" and now you can barely find it on google. Intellectual dishonesty is perhaps the most difficult thing to overcome. http://www.edgeonthenet.com/entertainment/celebrities/146444/alec_baldwin_uses_anti-gay_slurs_in_twitter_rant

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 8:19 pm

    I find that a marathon of PORTLANDIA on Netflix to have regenerative therapeutic effects from ProgressiveLiberalitus. . . . at least for me.

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  • Phil VeerkampJune 30, 2013 - 8:23 pm

    . . . back to season 1, episode 5 of portlandia . . . browning green

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  • James E.June 30, 2013 - 10:56 pm

    Phil, Portland, an alternative universe when Gore won and Bush never existed. Heaven on earth.

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