Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Losing our rights

EDITOR:

I wanted to climb through the TV screen, watching an interview with Fox News with one of many attorneys for Biological Diversity discuss taking land from private people to establish habitat for a frog that hasn’t been seen since 1967. With this smirk on his face, he was telling Fox what they are doing is reestablishing habitat for a frog that apparently didn’t like the land in the first place. 1967 was the last time this frog was seen there.

This frog still thrives in other areas just not on this man’s private property. I wanted to climb through the set and wipe the smirk off his face; he touted how they can do whatever they want no matter who it hurts. Our system is so out of control, leaving our future in hands like this attorney, someone that has more available money to take on anyone who stands in the way of their agenda (Agenda 21). What is sick is it is our money that they are using.

MARTIN SCHUMANN
Placerville

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  • rodJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:55 am

    Great point Mr. Schumann ! How is it that most people do not realize this tyranny is coming to their doorstep eventually? "Perhaps the most important aspect of Agenda 21 that must be brought to the surface and scrutinized is the underlying genesis of how socialists engaging with environmentalists managed to concoct the most evil, anti-American plan for mankind yet conceived for a modern world. It installs a framework of governance not seen since the Roman slave versus master epoch with all the loopholes for a complete and permanent dictatorial future. And worst of all, by employing 'environmental protection' as their mantra they are incrementally accomplishing their goals". (from the book Enviroligion)

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  • Dink LaneJanuary 24, 2014 - 11:33 am

    Hyperbolic statements -- "Tyranny" (Government by one absolute ruler) and "Agenda 21" (A United Nations agenda).... Really? People.... Obama couldn't be a single absolute ruler if he wanted to be....... The UN has NO authority over us.... Do you have any idea how foolish you sound? Once you say those words.... People have TURNED you OFF.... If you have a message.... use FACTS...... not Hyperbolic statements...

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 11:43 am

    TYRANNY: oppressive power, esp. that exerted by government.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 11:48 am

    Dink: You are correct. People shut their minds to Agenda 21, ridiculing anyone talks about it.

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  • rodJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:41 pm

    U are complete A$$ dinky. Tyranny IS unaccountable government, has nothing to do with "one person". And hey, you better do so homework on Agenda 21, U are the one that sounds foolish... but why would that bother u. Is it all just coincidence that we see : · Closings of National Forests and BLM easements, locking the gates throughout the western states. · Creation of new National Parks by absorbing National Forests and, i.e. taking 170,000 private properties, 500,000 acres in all for the newly proposed Rim of the Valley Nation Park bracketing the Los Angeles basin. · Creation of new Wilderness Areas via the Wilderness Act. Enveloping multi-use public lands excluding all motorized travel, except of course government’s use of vehicles. · Creation of new endangered species and locking up increasing amounts of Critical Habitat, with more private property confiscation via the ESA. · The EPA’s recent stealth move toward unprecedented control over private property under a massive expansion of the Clean Water Act. · Any federal agency creating any regulation they want regardless of the Constitution, citing UN obligations. · Creation of new forms of governance through Agenda 21, with no representation of the people. Coincidence my donkey, just remember this in the upcoming elections. In full view of our magnificent, vigilant legislature, unelected bureaucratic agencies and their NGO environmental partners are stealing America. This IS the Assault on America.

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  • MartinJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Agenda 21 is not fiction being bestowed on us, it is as real as the day is long. Only extreme left wingers that only use their head as a hat rack that can’t see it happening. Millions of acres of land are being withdrawn from the public for the sole purpose of implementing agenda 21; this isn’t fiction it is happening through special interest, EPA etc. For example this is what they are using for restoring the yellow legged frog that has been declining in population because of disease and stocking lakes and rivers with non native fish “As the famous conservationist John Muir once said, "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe." Frogs are a very important link in the food chain, or the order in which animals feed upon other plants and animals. For example, the sun provides food for grass. The grass is eaten by a grasshopper. The grasshopper is eaten by a frog. The frog is eaten by a snake, and the snake is eaten by a hawk. Removing the frog from the food chain, if eaten by trout, limits food for other animals and disrupts the natural cycle” This is such a crock of bull, if the snake can’t eat frogs they will die, what a joke snakes eat anything that moves that is smaller than them, squirrels, mice bugs, what a joke this is the kind of science that is being pushed on the public. If this was truly the case life would have disappeared from the face of the earth millions of years ago. Common sense has been pushed aside for BS science; if they want to restore the frog kill the fish that are eating them, wow what a bunch of idiots. Making our land so that we can’t use it is absolutely insane the frog will survive with human intervention, you don’t have to remove humans from their habitat just remove what is killing them.

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  • EvelynJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:43 pm

    Martin: On one point you are incorrect. It is NOT just "left wingers" who deny/ridicule the existence of Agenda 21. I am well acquainted with a "right winger" who thinks the notion is a real hoot.

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  • rodJanuary 24, 2014 - 9:49 pm

    Martin, I wonder how the yellow legged frog ever survived the 49'ers???... but they did

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  • LJ 1964January 24, 2014 - 1:16 pm

    Agenda 21 is now hiding behind the label Smart Growth, so beware when you see that term. It's all over California government and all over El Dorado County government. Dink, I appreciate your opinion, but I don't think you have been keeping up on what is going on. Look around at groups like SACOG, American River Conservancy, special interests of some of our Board of Supervisors and Planners and you will see Smart Growth pushed forward as such a wonderful thing. Be careful Dink--you are being taken for a ride and you don't even know it.

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:26 pm

    Witness Agenda 21 in action 1/28/14 @ 7PM at the Lotus Firehouse. Tuesday evening the CAO Parks Division is recommending the River Management Advisory Committee receive an update from BLM on activities on the S. Fork American River. This is the 'belly of the beast' led by American River Conservancy advocates with the blessing of the BOS & SACOG.

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  • MikeJanuary 24, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    For those interested in learning about this issue: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2589815609001/feds-deem-la-land-a-critical-habitat-for-gopher-frogs/#sp=show-clips

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  • MartinJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:12 pm

    I read the following which seems to be true: Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment. When you start doing deep research into Agenda 21, you will find that describing it as a "comprehensive plan" is an understatement. Virtually all forms of human activity impact the environment. The rabid "environmentalists" behind the green agenda intend to take all human activity and put it into a box called "sustainable development"

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  • MelodyJanuary 24, 2014 - 6:51 pm

    The February 27th Sierra Cascades Dialog in Sacramento is another blueprint for Agenda 21. Sample from agenda: WATER is essential to our environment, ecology and economy. Sierra Cascade Dialog #12 will explore the ecological needs and impacts, conservation measures, and recreational uses of this valuable resource in the context of key topic areas for the National Forest Plan Revision and the preliminary Need to Change. Participants will engage in discussions in the context of the following topic areas: • Meadows • Rivers, Streams and Riparian Ecosystems • Vegetation, Wildlife, and Fire • Wildland Urban Interface • Diversified Recreation Melody Lane - Founder, Compass2Truth

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 24, 2014 - 7:02 pm

    If you have any doubts about Agenda 21 being real in EDC, view the 5/15/12 BOS video, agenda Item #20: http://eldorado.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=72 The Agenda 21 Resolution is attached to the minutes but it was tabled indefinitely by the unanimous vote of the BOS. Note the 15 speakers during public comment.

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  • rodJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:01 pm

    “Sustainable development”: Sustainable development is an organising principle for human life on a finite planet. It posits a desirable future state for human societies in which living conditions and resource-use meet human needs without undermining the sustainability of natural systems and the environment, so that future generations may also have their needs met. End (Wikipedia) Well that’s wise, and beautiful too, except it includes a delineation into the four domains of sustainability, economic, ecological, political and cultural (institutional), refered to as “Good Governance”. The problem is this incorporates complete government authority over all socio-economic policy, essentialy a rationed redistribution of everything to everybody. That’s the definition of socialism my friends, and it has failed everywhere it has been implemented once the money runs out. Agenda 21 turns out to be more about human regimentation and loss of representative government than sustaining our environment.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:14 pm

    Rod, you make total sense. The notion of totalitarian governance is abhorrent to me. I am deeply skeptical of "good intentions" - of "social justice" I believe that "equality" as the left tosses around the term is zero energy potential i.e. a dead battery. . . . but I also have enough math savvy to understand that ALL exponential equations ultimately blow up. And I also know that we demand economic growth . . . an exponential phenomenon . . . demands grow exponentially . . . zero growth is deemed unacceptable . . . Is stability possible in the face of political demand for growth?

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  • rodJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:22 pm

    Phil, very astute of u. That IS the question, how can the planet keep absorbing more of us... and I guess the classic answer is still the for horsemen of the apocalypse. Disease has been the limiting factor for populations in the past, but I think plutonium may do it next time.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:35 pm

    LINK - Kingston Trio-Merry Minuet

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  • rodJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:25 pm

    Phil, I think u can appreciate this... "Sustainability of essential life giving elements like clean air, water and healthy ecosystems has to be more than just a goal, it must be an imperative for human survival on a finite planet. Thank you United Nations Agenda 21 for consolidating a one-world perspective of our environment. But focusing on renewable consumables like fuel, water and food is only part of the big picture, humankind also depends on the outcomes of all eternal limiting factors like disease, natural disaster and war. Thus it is entirely reasonable to assume the potential of nuclear proliferation exceeds by far all other factors, including our exuberance to control CO2 levels while sacrificing our economy. It is our economy that provides the strength to prevent disease, to protect the environment, and our military to prevent war by fostering the proven tenets of justice, freedom and prosperity. The spread of radioactive isotopes permeating our air, water and food supply is the death knell for human cellular activity, as well as our environment. This is our Hobbesian Nightmare coming true. Therefore, avoidance of nuclear conflict should be our foremost imperative, priority number one. So how do we get there? In the long history of human conflict, no form of government has succeeded better at delivering peace through strength than the United States of America. “The ideas of [government] on which America is founded represent, perhaps, man's greatest achievement. The idea that government must be empowered only by the consent of the governed, is the most powerful idea about [government] ever conceived. At the end of the day, it is the idea, and the system of government, that will guide all people to healthy, happy, and prosperous lives. [However,] America is facing another period in its history when freedom is threatened anew. The enemy is the same: collectivism, but it is dressed in a new uniform. This time, it’s not Hitler-styled socialism, or Soviet-styled communism, it is international collectivism wearing a “sustainable development” uniform. And it has beguiled a great many Americans who fail to see its dangers.” (freedom21.com)

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  • Martin SchumannJanuary 24, 2014 - 10:52 pm

    Rod you are the only person that his hit the nail on the head, thanks for your commentary, very will stated and totally factual. Agenda 21 will bring this nation to its knees if not to extinction because of us losing the edge. As President Reagan said we must find peace through strength.

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  • GeraldJanuary 25, 2014 - 6:37 am

    Dear God agenda 21 is not real and is not coming to your doorstep. The Trans Pacific Partnership is real and being negotiated as we speak in secret. None of the people who represent us in Washington know what is in this deal because Obama is seeing to it that it is negotiated in secret and he wants "fast track" authority so no one can debate what is in this treaty nor can anyone amend this treaty. What has leaked out is every country who signs this treaty will be subjected having local laws over turned in favor of corporate interests.Corporations will be able to sue any government agency in a "corporate court" in order to allow what ever the corporation wants to do the the governmental agency or law does not allow. So everyone can take off their tinfoil hats the black helicopters are going to be owned by the job creators so everything will be alright just like the drinking water in Charleston West Virgina.

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  • MartinJanuary 25, 2014 - 6:43 am

    Amazing how they have already crossed the threshold of our doors, they are on the way to owning you and everything that you own.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 7:02 am

    lollipop, I think you should boycott each and every corporation in America and refuse to do business with them. No car, no heat, no a/c, no grocery store, no clothes, no home, just you and your fig leaf doing your part to support all the governments good intentions from your cave.

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 6:46 am

    "Trans-Pacific Partnership, Agenda 21 & Redistribution of Wealth via EO & Cap & Trade" - HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 6:51 am

    NEW CLIMATE DATA RIGGING SCANDAL ROCKS US GOVERNMENT - HERE: [C]limate scientists unjustifiably added on a whopping one degree of phantom warming to the official "raw" temperature record. Skeptics believe the discovery may trigger the biggest of all “climate con” scandals in Congress and sound the death knell on American climate policy. ********** (One can but hope.)

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  • MartinJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:37 am

    Evelyn it only goes to show us that common scenes prevails, I along with many other knew along that we were being played by our government like a fiddle. What if anything will be done with the new information? do you really think that our congress will do anything? Obama has them hamstrung thinking that he is the messiah. Absolutely scary C&%^ is going on with our elected officials. Change it now or forever be servants to our government.

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:42 am

    Martin: Do I think Congress will do anything? NOPE. Probably CA will ignore/deny/ridicule it as well. But I wouldn't mind being happily surprised.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 7:50 am

    Eve!yn, the fraud behind global warming is unprecedented. It has become a conquer the world at all cost objective. It baffles the mind to see those who defend it on these pages. It causes me to wonder what species they are because they show no sign of human intelligence.

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 8:03 am

    Cookie: It is the "umbrella lie". All levels of gov't have bought it -- officially. At the most miniscule (relatively) level, even Placerville's famous (yet-to-be) Roundabout is part of it.

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 8:07 am

    Interestingly, some/most of the local pols KNOW Agenda 21 exists. I say this with complete assurance, having had a personal admission of same from one of the pols. But they DARE NOT admit as much publicly. Grant monies and THEIR CAREERS depend upon remaining "dumb".

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 6:54 am

    "UN Small Arms Treaty Calling for Micro Stamping Style Marking All Firearms & Ammo" - HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 6:56 am

    "Gun flight: Smith & Wesson, Ruger quit California over stamping requirement" - HERE

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 6:54 am

    Victimhood grants endless powers to leftists thru the useless tools like dinky. Making the environment/planet the victim has infinite possibilities for control, money and power. The left has conquered the major metropolitan areas. Just draw a blue circle (with your crayon) around all the places in this country where welfare has skyrocketed, the family unit has deteriorated, crime, drugs, violence and poverty have become the norm and look at who runs them. Leftism being leftism has no intention on stopping there. The outlying rural areas are in need of conquering. The slavery to government and faceless bureaucratic dictators for "the good of the environment" has such a ring of morality to it that freedom, private property rights and even private property itself can be vanquished. It is pure communism masquerading as compassion. Wait until the useless idiots figure out the master plan to save the environment includes population control. I hope they step up and put their money where the mouth is. Leftism feeds off the destruction of people and civilization. It is the ONE constant of leftism.

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  • MartinJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:04 am

    They have desecrated our constitution, if they don’t like what it says they and their crony judges interpret it to suit them. We are living in a transitional climate right now and if we don’t change the weather it is going to rain bullets in the future.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 7:27 am

    Martin, next on the agenda in the utopias of leftism are free crack pipes to prevent the spread of HIV and other diseases of leftist enlightenment. The disease that we need to prevent the spread of leftism. Every thing else will take care of itself. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/01/24/sf-officials-exploring-free-crack-pipes-as-means-to-slow-spread-of-aids/#comments

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 7:35 am

    Losing our rights to a lie. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545364/Glacier-fox-Animal-latest-freeze-solid-Scandinavias-lakes-following-fish-moose.html

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  • Compass2TruthJanuary 25, 2014 - 7:57 am

    If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video is even better: Agenda - Grinding America Down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8LkIqu1c8 This video has been presented to the BOS, public as well as private groups. It's a real eye opener about the encroaching threat of socialism/communism. Even Phil Veerkamp will appreciate it. :-) Melody Lane - Founder, Compass2Truth

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 8:43 am

    The world loves us so much under obama that the state dept has warned Olympic athletes not to wear Red, White and Blue in public at the Olympics. Part of the beast's legacy? http://nypost.com/2014/01/24/us-warns-olympians-dont-wear-team-colors-outside-venues/

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  • rodJanuary 25, 2014 - 8:55 am

    Unelected bureaucrats are implementing Agenda 21 aggressively through the "ICLEI" as Sustainable Development/Conservation Programs. ICLEI - International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives - the global cities network. “We are a powerful movement of 12 mega-cities, 100 super-cities & urban regions, 450 large cities, 450 small & medium sized cities & towns in 86 countries dedicated to sustainable development”. (USA Headquarters, Oakland Calif.)

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:11 am

    ICLEI USA Rated as a Top Nonprofit (sic!) on Climate Change - HERE: • "ICLEI's work with local governments is of crucial importance in the US." • "I think they are very effectively engaging their constituency in actual changes and innovation." • "They have good targets and achieve local ACTION, not just talk."

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:22 am

    INFOGRAPHIC: Nonprofit Organizations in the United States - HERE (Currently there are over 1.8M active non-profits. Info found elsewhere says over 90% of them were formed since 1950. A huge % -- wish I could find the # -- are tied in with promotion of A21/Sustainable Development/Smart Growth.)

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:31 am

    Better INFOGRAPHIC HERE - California tops the charts nationally with 229.6K non-profits. Next in line, with a paltry 142.5K non-profits: Texas.

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  • EvelynJanuary 25, 2014 - 9:45 am

    . . . HOWEVER, on a per capita basis, Alaska wins hands down, having one non-profit for every 106 people.

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  • cookie65January 25, 2014 - 9:16 am

    The U.N. is taking up the case against the "Redskins". Can you say ONE WORLD ORDER? http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/24/redskins-name-debate-reaches-united-nations/

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:41 am

    Welcome to LOCUS http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/locus/ "LOCUS is a national network of real estate developers and investors who advocate for sustainable, walkable urban development in America’s metropolitan areas. LOCUS members work to change federal and state policy on a number of issues related to smart growth development, in partnership with Smart Growth America."

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:42 am

    Participating Organizations The National Brownfields Coalition includes national organizations, non-profits, state and local governments, and private companies that share a common interest in promoting brownfields redevelopment. The following are the national organizations that participate in the Coalition: The U.S. Conference of Mayors National League of Cities Environmental Bankers Association National Association of Local Government Environmental Professionals National Association of Industrial and Office Properties National Brownfield Associations Real Estate Roundtable Cherokee Investment Partners National Association of Counties National Conference of Black Mayors Local Initiatives Support Corporation National Association of Development Organizations/NADO Community Revitalization Alliance Groundwork USA Trust for Public Land National Brownfield Nonprofit Network Initiative( same link)

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:43 am

    "Zombie subdivisions, The dollars and $ense of Smart Growth and extreme weather are among the topics we'll be discussing at next month's New Partners for Smart Growth Conference Here's when you can hear from our staff:" <---cant make this stuff up Smart Growth America facebook (do not need to be member to read. https://www.facebook.com/SmartGrowthAmerica

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 10:46 am

    http://newpartners.org/sponsors/sponsors smartgrowth partners

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:01 am

    "The 2013 LOCUS Leadership Summit took place June 4-5, 2013 in Washington, DC. Developers, investors and other real estate professionals gathered to share their experiences, gain insight into new innovations, and connect with policy makers, all with the goal of advancing the development of walkable, sustainable communities." ' This is why we should always trust the people behind LUPPU...rolling eyeballs....realtors, developers, people following blindly. (Add "some" to all categories) It has not been a secret that Chambers are also backing the smart group ideas....read. At BOS meetings the strongest supporters of LUPPU...are not the People...pay attention to the vids. Rural vs. Urban...walkable communities is an Urban theory. Sorry--I didnt create it...im just aware of it. CEDAC/CEDAPP....they know these definitions very well. Sustainable(computers are not sustainable--yet lots of talk about being connected.) Walkable communities...theme parks for living. Dont vote for anyone thats believes that these ideas are "best" for the whole...shaking head. read. If the ideas were best for the whole--people supporting them wouldnt be so afraid of putting them on the ballot for all to vote on...think roundabout. Groups were given power to decide for the whole...take that power away--unless everyone gets to vote on a decision.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:04 am

    fed grants to support smart growth http://reconnectingamerica.org/resource-center/federal-grant-opportunities/

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:07 am

    How to for smart growth http://www.smartgrowth.org/pdf/gettosg.pdf even lists the steps...lololol

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:11 am

    TEA-21 - Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century <----shhhhhh not the 21st century words....the document that doesnt exist from the UN. ( The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st Century.) I know--it doesnt exist.

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:15 am

    okay last one for awhile...http://gov.uchastings.edu/public-law/docs/smartgrowth.pdf smart growth state by state...and you guys thought it was just california...read

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:28 am

    Okay I showed both sides of smart growth. In my humble opinion it is one of the greatest scams of the 21st century...shrugging shoulders....LUPPU <-----false numbers to get grant/fed/state/developers/ money...is it worth it to sell our souls? Everyone have a lovey morning. Ask questions of all nonprofits...if the answers dont make sense--declare war. If their doors are shut to volunteers, members, or donors--declare war. cut off their support system and they die. If a group can not do its own paperwork to become a 501--then it shouldn't exist. If they are not 501 s--then they are funds under a 501...who gets to keep your donations when the "fund" no longer exists? If there is money left in the separate account--where does it go? Who decides where to place that left over money? If you know anything about money misdirected--tell everyone. a nonprofit needs the volunteers, members, and esp. the donors to survive--without them...it is just people taking your money.

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  • crazy crazy crazyJanuary 25, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    OMG Are you people kidding?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    I have left links for both sides...if you dont read both sides...then how can you make responsible educated choices?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    http://www.edctc.org/3/DS-ED_SAC.html Diamond Springs and El Dorado Area Mobility and Livable Community Plan <---smart growth....walkable communities....groups supporting the idea: AT&T Builders Exchange Business Alliance California Highway Patrol California Trucking Association Diamond Springs-El Dorado Community Advisory Committee Diamond Springs-El Dorado Fire Protection District Diamond Springs Merchants Association Diamond Springs Miwok Tribe Economic Development Advisory Committee El Dorado Citizens for Smart Growth El Dorado Community Center El Dorado Council El Dorado Merchants Association El Dorado County Chamber of Commerce El Dorado County Historical Society El Dorado County Office of Education El Dorado County Parks and Recreation Commission El Dorado County Trails Advisory Committee El Dorado County Youth Commission El Dorado Fire Safe Council El Dorado Irrigation District El Dorado Merchants Association El Dorado Union High School District El Dorado Western Railway El Dorado Winery Association Fairplay Winery Association Farm Trails Folsom Lake College – El Dorado Center Folsom Lake College Associated Student Government Friends of Diamond Springs-El Dorado Friends of the El Dorado Trail Gold County Retirement Center Lake Oaks Mobile Home Community Association (Patterson Lake) Mother Lode Union School District No Gridlock Committee Protecting Indian Creek Oaks, Inc. (P.I.C.O.) Partners in Care PG&E Residents Involved In Positive Planning, Inc. (R.I.P.P.) S.A.G.E. (Surveyors, Architects, Geologists, and Engineers of El Dorado County) Save Our County Sierra Club Taxpayers Association of El Dorado County some of these [people are on several boards....just keep reading :) grants make people do funny things...fed/state/grants/developers

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    'Smart Growth' takes a hit as Judge declares “Fatally Flawed” - See more at: http://www.inedc.com/1-7496#sthash.gug9l7nA.dpuf

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  • Dink LaneJanuary 25, 2014 - 4:18 pm

    County's "General Plan" = "Smart Growth" ????........"General Plan" -- GOOD? ....... "Smart 'Agenda 21' Growth" -- BAD?? What's the difference???

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 25, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    Dink, Im not sure of your question? The general plan is a plan to proceed with on how the county can be run. LUPPU is justification for smart growth...which is...think villages that all look the same surrounded by open fields. Smart growth is a component of the paper drawn up by the United Nations reflecting how the 21st century should look. The thing that bothers me...is that not everyone gets a "vote." small groups--councils, advisory boards, committees decide amongst themselves on land, traffic, design (which people should take their crayons away which are then made into law without EVER seeing a ballot for the "whole" to decide on. Bad/Good doesnt matter if people do not get to decide for themselves. Smart growth is an urban planning and transportation theory--it leaves out the word "rural."

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  • ConcernedJanuary 26, 2014 - 11:45 pm

    “Smart growth is a component of the paper drawn up by the United Nations reflecting how the 21st century should look”. Fran this is the problem United Nations has no business telling US citizens how something should look or works; if they want to fix something fix the dirt street communities all over the world first and then if they succeed at that then maybe we would be more willing to listen. Agenda 21 is nothing more than world governance that puts the rich in charge. Everything that is being considered for sustainable growth should be (as you stated) put before the people for a vote; if we vote no that is it, done deal. Most Americans are tired of their property being forfeited for the betterment of the world order. I am not saying that it our community don’t need up grading, it does but do it in a way that it don’t destroy livelihoods and a way of life that we moved here for.

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  • dinky hwyJanuary 25, 2014 - 8:05 pm

    what is the question?...I'm very confused who am I...? Why are you people yelling at me!!!!!!...my left arm is numb and my speech is slurriing...damn Obama care!!!!...........

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  • MorrisJanuary 25, 2014 - 11:45 pm

    Fran, you touch on excellent points and I can't say I disagree with you. The plans do indeed seem like theme parks; staged and likely unrealistic for EDC. However, let me offer this: I am lucky to know of and have direct experience with one that actually works. My other home in a downtown Chicago skyscraper. (Aqua @ Lakeshore East) It's a unusual dual lifestyle to say the least; back and forth between rural EDC where everything closes at 9 and the 47th floor of Aqua where one doesn't even go out for dinner until after 9. Each has its benefits. Each it's drawbacks. But as for walkability and convenience, there is something to be said for not needing or wanting a car. Everything is there; accessible by footpower, the elevated trains above, the subway trains below or a 5 minute cab ride. Or, the 8th wonder of the world....The Doorman. Because if one wants to order up a midget Korean hooker who expels pad thai while simultaneously twirling a cat - at 3am - The Doorman will provide. With so many people packed into a tiny sliver of land hugging an ocean-lake on one side and a bigass river on the other, a real sense of community happens. You must learn to share. To take turns. Be patient and respect differences. For whatever reasons, it works there. (For most all of the city) Folks might find this hard to believe, but I find people there are far more friendly and polite than we are here. Not to say we in EDC are not...only that there is an unexpected and noticeable difference. I believe this comes from that living / working / playing with others. Many others. At close quarters. So just a thought and example. (Note to those who are tempted to quote some crime stats that they know nothing about: Unless you know the city, you don't know the city and the neighborhoods that define it. Period. Don't embarrass yourself. The numbers primarily come from a part of the city that is but a small portion of the safer whole.)

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 26, 2014 - 11:19 am

    Moe are there 1: - "Doormen" at Palm Jumeirah and 2: - is Palm Jumeirah your stop-over en route to Aqua @ Lakeshore East?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:34 am

    Morris...I also know of places that didnt work. What bothers me...is that people were not given the choice to decide in many cases.. Here in Pollock some of their ideas--just dont work. Sidewalk on an incline..come on? Widen the streets and leveling the trees for a bike lane? There are already trails--people have been walking and riding up here for decades. Now lets look at some of the development coming in down the hill....quick communities....make for bad construction. The point I make is if these economic groups are so sure of themselves...why use numbers that are way out there in forecasting? why dont they put ideas on the ballot? such as the roundabout? why buy into a whole theory--without asking the population of El Dorado county? Smart growth is high density communities where the word "rural" is not in its definition. Put the things on the ballot...educate the population. Come on Morris...money for favors is probably as old as the cavemans first deal with her neighbor. lololol...can I have a link of your successful smart growth community please...unlike most--I like reading both sides of a story. Now please remember I grew up in LA...as a young person in the Hollywood hills, Beverly Hills, and in Westwood...I watched developments happen. One developer...the projects...the gated communities. and the senior villages. the second thing would be (for me) is if people would like to live this way...they have many options to go to. I doubt very much some of the people who are deciding for all of us--are going to pack up --leave their vineyards (and labels) or apple ranches and move to 26 acres of shopping. People like their living...their choices...they dont mind getting into some form of transportation to venture out to get their items. that is as old as our country....riding that buckboard to get your supplies to go on home with your once a month peppermint stick. Again I would love to see your link :) It is a grab money scam...but im open--show me different. To get grants/state/fed/private monies you have to play--doesnt matter if the population even knows. Thats wrong. Im not anti growth. I support peoples rights to build on their own property...or have clothesline...lololol I am not for people who will never live in the stack n packs deciding I should live in one. LInk Morris :)

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  • rodJanuary 26, 2014 - 10:50 am

    Morris, interesting perspective but for some reason you have an aversion to statistics? I presume your disclaimer of ‘embarrassing’ stats are based on pockets of humanity that are relatively crime free. Ok, but as you know statistics are just numbers, like the lottery, a system defining probabilities, and the probability of being raped mugged or murdered is considerably higher than in rural communities. Is that an argument? And likewise, your freedom of choice, self-reliance or immediate environment (your personal space) is greatly reduced. That’s just my perspective and I intend to preserve my freedom to choose. Crime rates, drug use and unemployment numbers are pretty fair indicators of any society, and when we see those numbers being manipulated by failing regimes, big red flags start popping up, you know what I mean?

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  • Fran DuchampJanuary 27, 2014 - 9:04 am

    Concerned...you have no arguement from me. One of the slogans from the National Urban League is: Keep Calm March On. I picture lambs off to slaughter. "The recent decision by Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Allan J. Goodman to reject as “fatally flawed” the densification plans for downtown Hollywood could shake the foundations of California's “smart growth” planning clerisy. By dismissing Los Angeles' Hollywood plan, the judge also assaulted the logic behind plans throughout the region to construct substantial high-rise development in “transit-oriented developments” adjacent to rail stations." some of the new "communities" such as the Aqua "community have 3000 people living in one spot...under the guise of "sustainability. People need to be able to vote...or it is wrong. It is not what the whole wants--it is what small power hungry people want. And part of it-- is a plan on how everything will look..."rural" does not come to mind. Those dirt roads wont need fixing--wont be needed-- if 3000 people live in small apartments in clusters of enclosed "communities." (<---easier to control large groups if all in one place.) Some of the people up here talk about ideas on other peoples property--they dont care when reminded it --that it is not theirs. Some people supporting these ideas for all of us--have vineyards...with wine labels or Apple ranches--are they going to give up those.. to move into one of these smart growth "communities?" I dont think so...ask these questions of the candidates this year...ask them if they still support the constitution...and the right to vote. Listen carefully when they talk about technology...computers are not sustainable--they are isolating tools...and work well within these smart--poorly built communities. Ask the right questions.

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