Friday, April 18, 2014
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Nutting-Pierson follies

EDITOR:

Regarding the article on Section 8 housing from Aug. 14, it appears that our long running saga/melodrama continues with a new act and new cast member, Ron Briggs. Not to worry, our other main characters, Nutting and Harn, remain in the wings.

The focus of the new act involves some secret, highly classified documents, no less. The farce is elevated when the senders of the letters (Pierson to Briggs and Briggs, as board chairman, to Pierson) will not be released to the public at large. This is curious. The last we knew of these two players was that they were both publicly elected county officials. And from Chris Daley’s informative article, it appears both letters were sent in the scope of their official duties. That’s right, on our, the public’s, dime.

Two questions arise: How can the letters be classified as secret, not for scrutiny of the residents of the county? And why are they hidden from public view? We paid for them, the letters, so the letters are ours.

Are cast members, Briggs and Pierson, having a transparency issue? Is it our own “NSAgate?”

WALTER MILLER
El Dorado

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 19, 2013 - 10:36 am

    It will be hard to listen to a meeting tomorrow ...I will be thinking of the "soap opera" behind our local government...they need to step up--or step out. BOS AUG.20th 2pm....tomorrow. Land grabbing.

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  • Ernie LouisAugust 19, 2013 - 10:51 am

    A Member of the Board of Supervisors is elected to represent their constituents. The District Attorney and the Attorney General are elected to enforce the law in a Court of Law.. None are elected to conspire to assassinate via newspaper. Ernie Louis

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 19, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    If people really wanted a story, some smart reporter/investigator would try and find the lady who was to rent the Nutting place under the govt. section 8 rent program and find out the real story behind the story. Many people have said the average rent in G.F. where the place was is well under a thousand a month, not anywhere near 1400. What or who suggested the 1400? There is more to this story.

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  • James E.August 19, 2013 - 7:12 pm

    1036 Frank, we have no investigative reporters in EDC. The Mt. Democrat gives us bland stories of bland events. The boat will never be rocked.

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  • Shane TorgelsenAugust 19, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    I speculate you can rest assured there is more to the section 8 saga. Our DA does his home work very well. Don't be surprised if we learn of interviews with all the Nutting renters of the Grizzly Flat residence, before and after the attempt at cutting a fat hog with inflated rent debacle. One other thing comes to mind. Whats in this for Ernie? Oh, yeah a listing? Its funny to see all the bottom feeders coming out to feed.

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  • Justice InsiderAugust 19, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    George, Patrice and Louise welcome newcomer Shane Torgelsen.

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  • Don WellerAugust 20, 2013 - 7:59 am

    Here's what bothers me. He knew it was against the law, but he still asked, repeatedly, over a period of two weeks. Then he asked for a waiver. If your intentions are truly to help someone who is less fortunate, then help her by lowering the rent. Write off the excess as a loss on your tax return. Mr. Nutting does not appear to be destitute, so why push so hard for the $1400 in government assistance? If she were hungry, would he just buy her food, or would he ask the government for a waiver so he could steal it for her? Against the law is against the law. He just wants to help as long as it doesn't cost him anything.

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  • Fern BersonAugust 20, 2013 - 8:46 am

    Greetings and salutations to Don Weller from George, Patrice, Louise and Shane Torgelsen.

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  • Don WellerAugust 20, 2013 - 9:13 am

    Fern, I don't know who those other people are, or who you are. I'm allowed to speak my mind. If you don't like it, don't read it. Enough said.

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  • Fern BernsonAugust 20, 2013 - 9:17 am

    I'm sorry Don. I'm just a real horse's ass. My mother didn't hug me enough when I was a child, so now I spend all my free time making asinine comments on a small time papers comments section. I should probably just go walk out into traffic. =(

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  • John BellerAugust 20, 2013 - 9:24 am

    We could live with that! =(

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 20, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Fern, I am so sorry to hear about that mother hug deficit syndrome thing. We might be soul mates. Send picture.

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  • James E.August 20, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Phil, if you are hug deficient, you will find many hugs on this site.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 20, 2013 - 9:32 am

    LINK - hug deficient?

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  • Fern BernsonAugust 20, 2013 - 9:42 am

    There's a fake Fern Bernson on the loose who should not be confused with the real Fern Bernson. Hugs-deficit-disorder syndrome pertains to the 2nd Fern Bernson. Fern Bernson no. 1 has some to spare. Hugs, that is. Fern #2 should apply to Fern #1 for leftovers. In the meantime, please do not correspond with the unwell Fern #2.

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  • James E.August 20, 2013 - 9:46 am

    I can see why that guy would be hug deficient.

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  • James E.August 20, 2013 - 9:48 am

    I am not a hugger. My wife's family are huggers and I cringe whenever they approach me. I am not against hugs from beautiful women however.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 20, 2013 - 9:49 am

    It seems this site is blessed with the yin yang of Fern - good karma requires group hug.

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  • James E.August 20, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Willing to join in group hug (if there is no eye contact).

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 20, 2013 - 9:55 am

    All will be blindfolded.

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  • Fern BernsonAugust 20, 2013 - 10:14 am

    I think we can agree, all Fern Bernson's are idiots who should probably shut up.

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  • Fern BernsonAugust 20, 2013 - 10:15 am

    Wait, am I the real Fern Bernson? Or the fake? Fern #1 or Fern #2? I'm guessing the other one is Fern #2, judging by the smell...

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 20, 2013 - 10:19 am

    Group Hug (smile) BOS AUG.20th 2pm...what is the government up to now?

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 20, 2013 - 10:21 am

    I'm thinking that one Fern should be banned from group hugging. But due to the uncertainty over which is the disagreeable. unpleasant Fern then perhaps a Fern ban is in place? . . . or . . . group hug suspended

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 20, 2013 - 10:28 am

    "Greetings and salutations"...well this is Charlotte not Fern...from Charlotte s Web. what a gentle and courageous spider :) I loved this book....so hugs Fern. coming to the meeting today at the BOS. Do you really think the government would sink so low-- as to grab land to build something a small group of people would want? In the name of "community?"

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 20, 2013 - 10:39 am

    Phil...this might answer the pretty pink bunny sign....from the draft of the sign ordinance...G. Indecent or Obscene Matter. To the extent allowed by law, signs with any statements or words of an obscene, indecent, or immoral character, or any picture or illustration of any human figure in such detail as to offend public morals or decency, or any other matter or thing of an obscene, indecent, or immoral character, shall be prohibited. People really need to watch the comedy Parks and Recreation--there is a married couple who are in charge of the "communities" moral character...yes the show is silly...but it brings up some of what is going on in the USA. So Phil...this is either about the pretty pink sign--which always made me laugh...or it is referring to political signs--which I hate...I do not need to see a candidates face--to vote for them. I find looking up the nose of a candidate to be offensive to public moral values. Everyone have a great day...see you at the meeting...

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  • Fern BernsonAugust 20, 2013 - 10:51 am

    Great meeting #2 and you didn't have to say a single word. Now that's power. =(

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 20, 2013 - 1:30 pm

    Back on topic. I think the rent was most likely inflated to I would guess around double what it was supposed to be, renter pays a small portion of it, section 8 the rest and it all goes into the pocket. To me, what this shows is a desire to take, or conspire to take, from the people as much as possible for income streams and it dove tails into the "grant" monies that were taken as income situation. Part of the reporting problem with the paper is they endorsed him and his crony Knight last fall. Poor judgment then as negative information from voters was reported on both of them. What is seen now is a lack of desire by some higher ups to really report on this story much now. Over the years, the reporting has really been off and on with political crime/scandals and many times only after the Sac media covers it or exposes it then it becomes an obligation to do a little reporting. This section 8 story hasn't been properly investigated yet.

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 20, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    Court papers just filed in El Dorado County Superior Court accuse DA Vern Pierson of Improperly Instructing the Grand Jury in a manner that deprived Political Target Supervisor Ray Nutting of his Constitutional Right of Due Process. - See more at: http://www.inedc.com/1-5734#sthash.rkaWcYhc.dpuf

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 20, 2013 - 2:34 pm

    Brother - "‘current indictment procedures create what can only be characterized as a prosecutor's Eden: he decides what evidence will be heard, how it is to be presented, and then advises the grand jury on its admissibility and legal significance.’”

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  • R.J. CarterAugust 20, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    Yup, Court papers have just been filed accusing DA Pierson of “Improperly Instructing” the very same Grand Jury that, for some unknown reason, just up and disbanded after indicting Ray Nutting??...Something’s beginning to smell a little fishy in Ol Hangtown …AND, why is one of the “Improperly Instructed” disbanded Grand Jury members that indicted Ray Nutting running around investigating and reporting back to the prosecution???…..Case in point, my wife and I are longtime friends of Ray's in-laws and were also friends with Ray and his wife Jen...... One Sunday, we (my family and Rays) all went out to Sunday breakfast... Immediately after Ray and his family got up and left, one of the former disbanded Grand Jury members that had indicted Ray, sat down at the empty table across from us (myself and Ray’s in-laws) and began taking pictures of us (Ray was already gone)…After taking several pictures, he then to goes outside where our wives were sitting and begins taking pictures of them… The next day, Monday, June 10th while waiting outside the Courthouse for Ray’s arraignment, I see the same former Grand Jury member enter the courthouse and have a private discussion with the prosecution... This ex-Grand Jury member was also present at Ray’s 2nd Arraignment in South Lake Tahoe, again reporting to the prosecution… Question is, who’s payroll is this guy on??... Was this Grand Jury member also working for Vern Pierson when he indicted Ray Nutting???....It’s obvious this Grand jury member is working for Vern Pierson and the prosecution, because that’s who he reports back to … The icing on the cake is, after doing a little investigating on my own to find out the name of the guy who was taking pictures of my family I get a call from a sheriff’s detective who tells me to basically to drop it and leave the guy alone… You Vern Pierson fans better strap yourselves in and hang on to your hats, the plot is beginning to thicken…

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  • Gordon ShumwayAugust 20, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    So now Ray is trying to get off on a technicality? Shocking! "Your honor, it's not that I'm innocent, it's that the D.A. improperly instructed the Grand Jury! Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket!" Wow, where will this stop? How desperate is he not to go to trial and face the evidence. Once again, if you're innocent, you have nothing to fear. The evidence isn't made up. RayRay already admitted to all of it, he just doesn't think he did anything wrong. What happens when the charges against Pierson are dismissed? Does RayRay then plead insanity? More likely diminished mental capacity. He might have a point there. Geez...

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 20, 2013 - 3:32 pm

    Wow R.J., that is a bit unsettling to have someone photographing you and your family and then have law enforcement tell you to knock it off. This is why I blog under an anyomous name, not that the DA couldn't get my information anyway. I don't know if Ray Nutting is guilty or not, but I am not so sure that the other players in this game are all squeaky clean. Be prepared to get blasted by the fans of Pierson, Harn, Briggs, Waggoner et al. I commend Mr. Miller for his letters to the editor. Honest man he is.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 20, 2013 - 4:05 pm

    Just to clarify, I'm not a fan of Pierson, Harn, Briggs, etc. In fact, after Ray is prosecuted, go after all of them, if there is evidence of their corruption. But them being corrupt doesn't give Ray a free pass to do whatever benefits him the most, regardless of the law. I think people get too caught up in all the politics and lose sight of the facts. They are almost treated like sports teams. If you like the Red Sox, you have to hate the Yankees. If you like Ray, you have to hate Pierson, and vice versa. If only the stakes were as low as a simple ball game.

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 20, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    Not too surprised to see another stunt tried by the defense and the usual operatives who print it as news which it is isn't. It is pure fiction and a smoke-screen. The citizens who make up a criminal Grand Jury have indicted thousands of times after hearing the evidence and the DA instructions, which is a mini trial without the defense attorney. To try this stunt over the instructions given is desperate and insulting to suggest our county employees at the DA's office with law degrees don't know the law or their jobs. This gang will find out they do and as proof already, there have been several of this gang seen in handcuffs, one in prison, one sent to jail and one recent arrest and some to find out soon about the law.

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  • AmusedAugust 21, 2013 - 7:40 am

    Re: prosecutors with degrees not following the law, when Pierson was working for the Amador DA's office, they were sued by a man named Womack to the tune of one million dollars for false arrest and harassment. Google "Pushback the case of Robert Womack" or "gastankgate" in Jackson. All over an infraction of not getting a city permit to dispose of an old gas tank. Ego, not professional judgement can and has been the main motivation. The more you read about this DA the slimier he gets.

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 21, 2013 - 8:36 am

    The Amador case was a late 1990's case that wasn't started by Pierson, didn't see Pierson's name involved in the case as he started work for the Amador DA in late 2000. Where's the proof? Looks like this is just another act of desperation trial balloons sent up by the Nuttin gang who can't admit wrong doing and law breaking when caught until the prison cell door opens for them.

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  • concernedAugust 21, 2013 - 9:05 am

    he used the section 8 money to remodel the double wide trailer on his property that he claims he does not have he just scams the system do benefit him self

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  • Edh MomsAugust 21, 2013 - 9:05 am

    I got to know Nutting somewhat in 2012. My impression: He is extremely arrogant and will only associates himself with the attitude of 'What can you do for me"? Just another putz on Hangtown good Ol'boys club. Yes...this town needs a good scrubbin....but there are vermin wating to replace what is already there! EDC we are screwed!

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  • JimmyAugust 21, 2013 - 9:38 am

    This comment is directed at RJ Carter: though I don't have any reason to doubt what you've said concerning people following you, the grand jury which was disbanded was a civil grand jury. A separately empaneled criminal grand jury issued the indictment in this case.

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  • 1036-FrankAugust 21, 2013 - 9:55 am

    Further, the Amador County Womack case was thrown out in 1999 before Pierson arrived in late 2000 as an Asst. DA and was started by a long gone Amador DA and special prosecutor from Stockton and involved the Stockton CHP environmental crimes section. Not surprised to see this strange case that doesn't apply used. The one who wrote that Pierson was involved in this is wrong and dangerously uninformed and didn't do even simple fact checking or research.

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  • R.J. CarterAugust 21, 2013 - 10:08 am

    Jimmy....Many thanks for the info...I did not know that a separately empaneled criminal grand jury issued the indictment... I heard the guy doing the prosecution's investigating was a former member of the Grand Jury, but now I wonder which Grand Jury this guy was actually on???..I guess.It will all come out sooner or later...

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  • AmusedAugust 21, 2013 - 3:23 pm

    Clarification, the Womack criminal case was not tossed until 2000. The civil case which I was referring to was around 2008. Mr. Pierson was at the Amador DA's when the civil suit was being litigated. All Womack asked for was a public apology from the DA, but he refused losing one million bucks. Point was that the professional culture of that particular office has always been a concern, as have several former employees, nothing more. All confirmable

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  • James E.August 21, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    Police, Sheriffs, DAs, US Attorneys never apologize. To do so implies liability.

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  • oh brotherAugust 21, 2013 - 4:07 pm

    @1036-frank. What is your response or opinion to the context of the letter from Mr. Miller?

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  • observerAugust 21, 2013 - 4:09 pm

    Looks like an apology would have saved Amador County $1.25MIL.

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  • JimAugust 21, 2013 - 8:58 pm

    Walt, would you leave Supervisor Ron Briggs and his newest best friend the DA alone for a couple of weeks. Their working very hard to find Ron’s nephew, Judge Baileys son, a job with the County using Transit Occupancy Tax funds uncle Ron found that’s for veterans programs, not salaries. This could be the nephews second income with the County, the first being a little contract uncle Ron got him putting ankle bracelets on offenders who are sentenced to home arrest. Guess whom they have directed to make this happen, you guessed it, “the Ione Express,” ya just got to love these guys.

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  • Lisa M.August 21, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    R.J. if this is the same guy that I served with, be careful. He has seven different black belts in martial arts. He has a scar across his abdomen from side to side. He got this from taking on a gang of 15 thugs to help an old lady in Cleveland. Be careful of this guy. He can be a real ass about things.

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  • James E.August 21, 2013 - 9:25 pm

    Who exactly is the guy that was in Cleveland?

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  • James E.August 21, 2013 - 9:41 pm

    What exactly are we saying here? If my dad was a Judge I could get a job with the county?

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  • JimAugust 21, 2013 - 11:14 pm

    Colonel, I can’t imagine you’re surprised. This kid was born and breed to feed from the public trough. Grandpa was former Senator John Briggs, uncle is Supervisor Briggs, cousin Briggs is supervisor Briggs assistant and Judge Bailey married sister Briggs. I would guess the nephew who has little education is being set up to replace Bill Schultz recorder Clerk of the County/Interim Veterans Service Officer. Seems the Briggs consider nepotism to be in the same category as the Brown act, a law with no teeth that’s to be ignored. What really pisses me off is they want to use money earmarked to help returning veterans. I guess in their eyes creating a salaried job in an area that serves veterans, needed or not, helps veterans, I guess.

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  • Chuck HollandAugust 22, 2013 - 5:42 am

    Jim, Lets put your fantasies in a more realistic perspective for the readers. first off Ron Briggs Nephew works for me. I have a contract to supply electronic monitoring to El Dorado County. Also, John (a veteran himself) serves in a volunteer capacity on the veteran commission to help our local veterans. John (the same veteran) worked for nearly two years (for free) assisting in setting up a veterans court here in El Dorado County. John still works as a volunteer with the veterans commission advocating for our veterans. The Recorder/Clerk position is an elected position, if John ever decided to seek that office he would need to be elected by the voters in El Dorado County. Your cheap shots at John are the same as slapping our local veterans in the face. If that's something you'd like to do let me know, I'll get you a step stool to stand on and sell tickets.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 6:16 am

    mornin', Chuck.

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  • Justice InsiderAugust 22, 2013 - 6:38 am

    Speakin' of cheap shots, anyone notice how closely Vern's crew is following and participating in Mt. Dem. online comments? Their prosecution of Nutting using sundry aliases -- too funny -- is, well, funny. In a short space of time they've been or enlisted George Washington, Patrice, Louise, Shane Torgelsen, Fern & Gordon Shumway. Compiling the sundry "leavings", though fun midnight reading, is hardly testament to the "higher power" of the elected office. Tickets ain't cheap, but they'll get you a free pass.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 7:59 am

    @ Justice Insider Speculation sure is fun, isn't it? Mind providing any proof that I am or work for anyone in the El Dorado County government? Do you think only people associated with the prosecution of Ray Nutting can have an opinion on the case? Myopic much, JI? Or maybe just paranoid. Oh, and the George Washington that said "mornin' Chuck" was not me. I guess I should start crying now about someone posting under a fake name, right?

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 22, 2013 - 10:19 am

    Thank you Chuck.

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  • wooseAugust 22, 2013 - 10:46 am

    George, naaaah to complaining about fake names. Round these parts their mostly all we use. Real names is reserved for wusses and honest types. Fortunate for me 'n you, wussiness and honest ain't catchin.

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  • JimAugust 22, 2013 - 10:46 am

    Chuck explains away nepotism on behalf of Supervisor Briggs nephew: “Chucky Holland the bail bondsman political wacko supports,endorses,sues and slams political candidates daily. His best friends are Rodney "I'm a big shot Republican" Stanhope,and Chris " I'm a criminal/journalist" Alarcon. Look carefully at who this nut supports and then vote for their opponent. His current support for candidate Hoffman says alot about Hoffmans character,” Danny Thomas. Chuck, you left out Supervisor Briggs appointed his nephew to that committee and is currently using his influence to create a job where one doesn’t exist and is probably not needed. And I love the part about veterans. You Chucky, Bailey and Alarcon belong to a very unique group of egotistic under achievers. What bothers me is you all brag you have the DA under control.

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 22, 2013 - 10:51 am

    Walter Miller, we need you to be the District Attorney again!!! You did a great and honest job. Can anyone blogging on this site address and respond to the context of this letter???

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  • EvelynAugust 22, 2013 - 11:13 am

    Oh Brother, the saga is becoming a bit complex (and convoluted) for mere mortals. THIS is Chris Daley's article referenced by Walt Miller. Though I don't understand what is going on, it DOES seem curious that the Briggs/Pierson letters are withheld from the public. Why?

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  • EvelynAugust 22, 2013 - 11:27 am

    I haven't had a chance to read this"Fact-Based Legal Response to the Unfounded Accusations". Looks like a HUGE document. For anyone with the time to explore, please report back.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 11:37 am

    @Evelyn Mt. Democrat just published a story saying the letter is now public, but didn't publish the letter. Weird.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 11:39 am

    @Brother To respond to Mr. Miller's questions "Are cast members, Briggs and Pierson, having a transparency issue? Is it our own “NSAgate?” the answer is apparently, no. The Democrat just published a story saying the letter is now public. Hopefully they will actually publish the letter at some point.

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 22, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    Have taken a look through the documents that Evelyn referenced and am not seeing the stuff that Mr. Miller is referencing.

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  • EvelynAugust 22, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    Oh Brother: I didn't mean to mislead, but I think the letters Walt Miller talks about are separate and much more recent.

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 22, 2013 - 6:53 pm

    Evelyn-I know you were not being misleading..Mr. Washingtion took the ball and ran with that. Mr. Washington states that the Mt. Democrat has printed said letter referenced in Mr. Miller's letter. I can't find it anywhere in the Mt. Democrat, so where have you found this letter Mr. Washington? Please enlighten us all.

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 22, 2013 - 7:00 pm

    Oh wait; it's after 5:00p.m.,,Mr. Washington won't be able to respond till morning when he gets to work at the ........ ........ office. Will let you all fill in the blanks.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 9:23 pm

    @Brother Did you even bother to read my comments? I said the paper now said the letter was public but they haven't published it yet. I was not implying anything about Evelyn, since at the time she posted the story had not run yet. I didn't think she was being misleading, I just wanted to inform you of the story that was posted. It seems to answer Mr. Miller's question. I hope the Democrat publishes it soon. Geez...

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  • George WashingtonAugust 22, 2013 - 9:27 pm

    @Brother "Oh BrotherAugust 22, 2013 - 6:53 pm Evelyn-I know you were not being misleading..Mr. Washingtion took the ball and ran with that. Mr. Washington states that the Mt. Democrat has printed said letter referenced in Mr. Miller's letter. I can't find it anywhere in the Mt. Democrat, so where have you found this letter Mr. Washington? Please enlighten us all." I know Brother, reading is hard, isn't it? All those big words...try again...

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 6:21 am

    James, since the leftist media will exercise their agenda driven, biased, misinformation reporting, it is left up to people like me to keep you informed on current events. Here a new one. An 88 year old WWII veteran who was shot in the leg during the Battle of Okinawa, was beaten to death by two black youths outside Eagles lodge Wednesday evening in Spokane Washington. http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 6:38 am

    Hope and change??? part II--- incomes have dropped twice as much during "recovery" as they did during recession. LOL!!!! http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/incomes-have-dropped-twice-much-during-recovery-during-recession_750068.html

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 6:41 am

    Hot Dog vendor beaten with hammer; cell phone stolen.... suspect description? take a wild guess....http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/ferguson-hot-dog-vendor-at-home-depot-robbed-and-beaten-with-hammer-for-his-cell-phone/

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 6:50 am

    California is going to spend $85million advertising its new healthcare exchanges under obamacare. What an absolute sham. There are no words.....http://www.kcra.com/news/Ad-blitz-will-remind-Californians-to-sign-up-for-health-plans/-/11797728/21614302/-/item/0/-/2d6okkz/-/index.html

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  • Stan In SomersetAugust 23, 2013 - 6:52 am

    @Jim your disdain for Chuck tells me you support political corruption, politicians that lie, cheat, and undermine the public's trust. And you haven't been paying very close attention Alarcon and Stanhope still believe in Nutting.

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  • Babe In WoodsAugust 23, 2013 - 7:10 am

    @(^_^)@ ............. Mornin' Stan In Somerset. Hi from George 'n Chuck

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 7:16 am

    Cookie, the leftist media did its job as I've already heard about the WWII Vet who was assaulted and killed. What should I do now? Get my pistol and drive around until I find two black youths and kill them? Or, perhaps just leave it to law enforcement? As for the hot dog vendor, don't tease us -- what's the description of the perp?

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 7:17 am

    7:16 AM?? It's still the middle of the night.

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  • R.J. CarterAugust 23, 2013 - 8:20 am

    James ...Sad to say, the fact is, It's come to the point once again in our Nation where a person must always be ready to defend themselves and their loved ones...When push comes to shove, law enforcement is only good for showing up afterwards, taping off the crime scene and drawing a chalk line around your carcass...That doesn't do you much good does it??....On another note...A couple days ago you stated that Alan West is a nut case.....I'm just curious.. In your opinion, do you feel the young black men of our Nation in desperate need of a Black role-model should look up to... A: The Vacationer-in-chief Obama who it's been said has already committed 30 impeachable offenses as President?....B: Proven lair under oath, Attorney General Eric Holder?...C: White House regular guest rapper Jay Z?......D: White House regular guest & famous race baiter the Rev. Al Sharpton.....OR.... E: Former Congressmen & member of the Congressional Black Caucus, highly decorated, Lieutenant Colonel Allen West?....Knowing your answer will be "A" followed by an MSNBC talking point, I personally believe Allen West would make a fine role-model for our Nations youth...Not just young black men, but all young men of any color...

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 8:37 am

    R. J., sorry, you are wrong -- my answer is not A or any of the other choices. I do not presume to recommend any of them to black youths. Now, LTC Allan West -- highly decorated? Really? Does he have the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, Three Distinguished Flying Crosses, Bronze Star for valor, and the Air Medal for valor? No, he has only the Bronze Star for service -- given to virtually every officer who served in Iraq. So, he is not highly decorated. Especially sad for an Infantry Officer.

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 8:45 am

    R.J. you have to remember Allen West is a "nutcase" because he dares to speak the truth. In the make believe world of political correctness it is nuts for a black man to go against the race industry. There is another choice for role model. This guy who is employed by DHS runs a website calling for a race war. I think he is already a role model for many of our feral youth. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/dhs-employee-spends-spare-time-promoting-race-war-against-whites/

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 8:52 am

    ADDED: Also, please note, no MSNBC talking point.

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 8:54 am

    From wiki....West's awards and decorations include the Bronze Star; Meritorious Service Medal (two Oak Leaf Clusters); Army Commendation Medal (three Oak Leaf Clusters, one Valor Device); Army Achievement Medal (one Oak Leaf Cluster); Valorous Unit Award; Air Assault Badge; and the Master Parachutist Badge

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 8:56 am

    James, pmsnbc is my comedy channel. I always get a great laugh at what passes for political commentary from people who belong in straight jackets.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:03 am

    Cookie, my bad: Army Commendation Medal with valor device. All other, service awards. Extremely lowly decorated, not highly decorated. At the annual Infantry Ball, highly decorated Infantry Officers would look away. Take my word for it (have a tad experience as a Combat Arms Officer who knows awards). Allan West can be your hero -- he is not mine. A hero only to those who have not "been there, done that."

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 9:07 am

    Not sure where I called anyone my hero James. Just posted what wiki had on their site.

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 9:11 am

    James, I know you have seen the signs that read, "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". Well according to New Mexico's supreme court photographers who refuse to take jobs photographing gay weddings are in violation of New Mexico's human rights act. Imagine what happens when parents object to having their 5 year olds indoctrinated with the alternative lifestyle agenda in the public schools. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/356498/nm-supreme-court-finds-refusing-photograph-gay-wedding-illegal-sterling-beard

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  • R.J. CarterAugust 23, 2013 - 9:20 am

    If it's only "been there, done that" in combat which counts I wonder how far you have to look down the line in this present administration before you find someone who's ever "been there, done that"...Obama?..Biden?..Holder?..Etc. etc.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:29 am

    R.J., there has to be someone. There is a list somewhere that lists Democrats and Republicans and their military service. If anyone finds it, let us know.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:34 am

    ADDED: As we get down the line from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the various desert wars, fewer and fewer have served. Especially severe are politicians (of all faiths) who see themselves as special and therefore they should not put their special selves at risk. Goodness, if they are killed they cannot contribute to the political scene and that would be a tragedy for America.

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 9:37 am

    James: Ask and ye shall receive. I haven't checked to see how current this list is, AND I didn't select it for any reason other than the fact that it came up first when I googled CONGRESS MILITARY SERVICE RECORDS. HERE

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:39 am

    MORE ADDED: R.J., "been there, done that" only referred to evaluation of combat awards. Don't believe that politicians have to have combat or military service (but, it sure would help when they make decisions to send the Privates and Sergeants to war).

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 9:41 am

    P.S. I'm guessing the above list is circa 2004.

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 9:43 am

    James: To your point, some suggest that politicians waging war should first volunteer their own sons. I, on the other hand, would say the sons should volunteer their fathers.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:44 am

    R.J., Evelyn kindly provides the military politician list. I'll let you check it out for your own decision who wins (Democrat or Republican). But, I do see a lot of "did not serve" in the Republican list. Enjoy.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 9:45 am

    Evelyn, if the old guys had to go and be on the front lines, we would have few (if any) wars.

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 9:51 am

    James, I must take exception to your claim that you heard about the senseless slaughter of an 88 year old WWII vet from the leftist media. Here is what is being reported from CNN via kcra from 30 minutes ago. From the story, "It's the second time in a week that a seemingly random attack by teenagers has claimed a life". Yet not a single mention of the race of the suspects. Even though they never failed to mention race in the thousands of stories on Zimmerman/Martin. http://www.kcra.com/news/national/teens-beat-wwii-vet-to-death/-/11797450/21616902/-/156qpbn/-/index.html#ixzz2coO9wOZS

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 10:02 am

    Pollock Pines name is going to be Harperville--because people are not fighting back. All those maps (GPS) say CEDAPP on them--so if you put in money to support your business...you actually supported the name "Harper." she now has a banner--several GPS maps in town-and the ugly blue sign. So if any design group tells you that you can not have a sign--the way you want...come talk to me. I have all the paper work--where you can do anything you want. Signs are protected under the first amendment--although Harper tried to challenge that yesterday...if you do not stand up for your rights-YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY UP HERE. And if you can not stand for yourself--stand up for a child.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 10:03 am

    If any of you see your face in any of the maps pictures...and you did not sign that they could use the picture in a public way--sue CEDAPP. ESP. if it was a child--and you didnt know the picture was even being taken.

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Cookie: I don't know if Business Insider is Left, Right, or Upside Down. But yesterday they did report on the death of the 88-year-old veteran. HERE

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  • EvelynAugust 23, 2013 - 10:13 am

    On many occasions my own position/interpretation has differed from that of James, Cookie, Phil, Dee#1, etc., etc., etc., just as their positions have differed from mine. That's life. But I have never suspected James of lying. Only of being WRONG (when he disagrees with me)!!!

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 10:14 am

    Cookie, I don't remember where I heard about the death of the WWII Vet. Internet?

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 10:24 am

    Evelyn, there are a lot of sites reporting the "facts". The link you posted is a reprint of the original local link I posted. My point to James is that the mainstream agenda driven media who made race the central issue in Zimmerman/Martin, including editing legal evidence in order to promote the race scam, doesn't bother to mention race in when these feral animals attack and kill people at random. The idea that any thinking person would expose themselves to what they know is biased, non-objective, slanderous, so-called media in order to be informed boggles my mind. I can only explain it with the belief that they only want to be told what they want to hear. Seeking indoctrination in place of intellectual curiosity. My dad used to tell me that wisdom does not always come with age.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 10:28 am

    Cookie, wisdom does not come with age, but it sure helps. I just went to check my email on the AOL site and there was the WWII Vet story -- so that's where I saw it a few days ago.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 10:35 am

    Just so you know...the GPS signs are all over town...they all bare the name CEDAPP. This town has allowed Harper to do as she pleases. She now has a banner across our streets....several GPS maps....and one ugly blue sign. I for one support the first amendment--so that is not my problem...I want to know why no one else has a sign...or banner up. I want to know why everything is starting to say CEDAPP on it. Some of the people in town are playing both sides...shame on them...you are supporting that one day --this place will be called Harperville. Monday...Harper and her groupies...are going to try to take this from the kids...this 10 acres that they have played ball on for over fifty years...changing it to an "open Park" does not seem fair--these kids have done nothing wrong. Come help a group of young people who take pride that the field is theirs. One last question...did any of you vote for Harper to be Mayor up here? TOWN HALL MEETING Monday, August 26th at 6:00pm Pollock Pines Camino Community Center RE: E.I.D. Forebay Lake Update, Snowline Little League Ball Park Update, Horseshoe Pit Update, Parks & Recreation Update including El Dorado County’s possible purchase of property, Sanders Drive “proposed park” update. Meeting includes Q&A session with El Dorado Co. Officials

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  • robertdnollAugust 23, 2013 - 10:40 am

    R.J. we must respect our elders,in a lot of cases they remember things that never occurred,let them think we believe in their past glories

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 10:42 am

    EID bought it from PG&E for a buck..it is up for sale....county needs to fix this...and give the field to the league. To take away a field from young people should be political suicide for any one. Where are the groups that have helped other baseball fields? Come speak up in their defense. The kids rake and clean the areas...the parents and friends fix the stuff up...many times using their own money, they do fund raisers to keep the field in working order. No open park--leave it alone...help the kids maintain it as theirs. THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER FIFTY YEARS..

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  • cookie65August 23, 2013 - 10:53 am

    How does it help James when you still hold out hope that a repeatedly failed ideology will some how succeed this time around?

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  • George WashingtonAugust 23, 2013 - 11:08 am

    @Fran Why are you using this story as your personal soap box about Harper? I know it's already devolved into a race war thread, but come on. Seems suspicious that the same people keep changing the subject in these articles about Ray, Pierson, etc.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 11:46 am

    George...people will keep an article alive any way they can...and since when do I need your permission to do anything? since most of the time I dont comment on yours--leave mine...just dont read them.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 11:48 am

    Brownies...just stir all the stuff together...and pour into a pan. Ingredients Soft butter, for greasing the pan Flour, for dusting the buttered pan 4 large eggs 1 cup sugar, sifted 1 cup brown sugar, sifted 8 ounces melted butter 11/4 cups cocoa, sifted 2 teaspoons vanilla extract 1/2 cup flour, sifted 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt Read more at: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/cocoa-brownies-recipe/index.html?oc=linkback

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 11:52 am

    Here you go George--a KIm Kerr story...NO q-tips on Non violet Protesters http://www.nopepperspray.org/trial_log_day4.htm

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 11:54 am

    http://www.nopepperspray.org/factsheet.htm

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 11:56 am

    See Gorge...I have lots of links about lots of people--I happen to live in Pollock...which Harper is ruining...in the name of the "community." But I also do not like CEDAC...if they got rid of Harper--I wouldnt care what they did. She introduced herself as being a representative of Pollock--no one I know no,nominated her.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 11:58 am

    Still with me George? All this political mess of the BOS...needs to be sorted out in a court of law. Harper affects where I live--where my grandson goes to school--where he plays baseball...who he talks to. what his friends do.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 23, 2013 - 1:02 pm

    @Fran Good for you. So write a letter to the editor. Don't go mucking up the comments of unrelated articles with your irrelevant rantings. People can see through the smoke screen Fran...

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  • sunshineAugust 23, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    Why harp on Harper? She has rights too.

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  • sunshineAugust 23, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    No one is ruining Pollock Pines. Who stole your rose color glasses? I have learned to look at the sunny side of life. Not to continue with the negativity. It really does not get you anywhere.

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  • R.J. CarterAugust 23, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    James..Most (30 out 44) U.S. President served in the military...Of them 12 were former Generals...Many U.S. Presidents were also lawyers (18)...There was also 12 free masons and one crazy peanut farmer along the way....

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    R.J., I think Carter was just too nice a guy to be president. And, he was, of course a Naval Officer who served on nuclear submarines so he couldn't have been too crazy. A former president who didn't cash in on the presidency. How often does that happen?

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 1:43 pm

    Sunshine, Fran has every right to bring her concerns and to continue to bring them. I don't live in Pollock Pines, but if I did I wouldn't care for an unelected person coming in and trying to run things without authority from the people. Problem is that people are afraid to voice their concerns. When the fox begins to eat the chickens it is time to raise the alarm. Good job Fran, keep it up.

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  • sunshineAugust 23, 2013 - 2:03 pm

    James maybe you could be her private therapist. Seems like there are lots of issues to work through. You seem to have a sympathetic ear. Issue at hand is, there is not One person taking over. Fran is not the voice of Pollock Pines either. You are right, no one can have a voice (on this forum). Seems you don't want me to have that right either. So the problem continues. Same target for Fran to aim and fire continuously. Everyone to be silenced. May you all see the sunlight through all the fog.

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  • James E.August 23, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    Sunshine, you go ahead and say whatever you want and say it as many times as you want. Freedom of speech, I believe.

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  • moonbeamAugust 23, 2013 - 2:31 pm

    sunshine sounds like harper on a bender

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  • moonbeamAugust 23, 2013 - 2:45 pm

    news flash ............... harpy spotted with bottle of jack daniels under arm making mad dash down alley way

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  • Oh BrotherAugust 23, 2013 - 2:48 pm

    This is how I came up with my blogger name. I read some of these things and find myself say "oh brother".

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  • sunshineAugust 23, 2013 - 2:51 pm

    Never mind. So much for changing the world.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 5:14 pm

    Sunshine...no I am not the voice of Pollock Pines...so i have never had to lie about anything happening in town No phony data. Nothing I want to be in charge of... My issue is that a small group of people feel they can decide for a whole. Which would include my grandson and his friends--not going to happen with out a fight. and if you really knew me--Im actually the "positive" one...I dont need to drink several glasses of wine to be me. I dont need to control a "community"...see on Monday (hope you re coming) if the town wants the field to be just a public park--I accept that...they at least had a voice. Unlike the Parks master final--where only nine people showed up (didnt hear about it at all)...and those nine people gave their opinion. In the report it states the if the 26 acre park is not feasible--maybe sell part of it--to do something else. Okay ...Harper--since the statue of the dancing bears is not feasible--maybe you should give the public back their what 12-15,000 dollars. I will ask again on Monday. Sunshine sounds more like...lololol Yet another group person from CEDAC. Could be either--one wants to be the other. Have a great night Sunshine...at least I have no delusions of grandeur--which all these people in "charge" seem to have. Or wait...could be...you know I dont really care at all.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 5:23 pm

    Thank you James...I dont let any of these people really bother me...if people want to live under less freedoms--nothing I can do. I can protect my grandson. Harper will make that grand mistake...she has made a big one recently...and it had nothing to do with me. I left a meeting yesterday...because I could not sit in a room with someone saying they wanted to go a step further in banning something entitled by the first amendment. Maybe i should challenge her up here...i could come up with a 501--take money from people--put it where ever I want...and have minions that follow me out of fear? lololol at least I have a design background.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 5:30 pm

    I have a question...how do survivalists feel about a branch of FEMA (home security) coming into Pollock Pines. What I respect about a survivalist--is they will tell you that they are. They are for less government--and mean it. whereas some people are claiming less government--while actually added to the General Plan--it was not there before a group decided for what ever reason it should be. This is not a democracy. This is like 4 out of five dentists like crest. 80%. what a great percentage...sure I buy it...what they left out was there was only 5 dentists in the room. Data can be manipulated.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 23, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    May you all see the sunlight through all the fog...Sunshine isnt short for "orange sunshine" is it? Shrugging shoulders...and I thought it was just the wine.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 24, 2013 - 2:50 pm

    You know that ole story about me choppin down dad's cherry tree and all then sayin' sorry pop, I told a lie? Truth be told, all that story is jess a story; I couldn't hep myself. So nows I'm coming clean i gotta do a propper job of it. Me 'n the gang, I can't remember jess now who all we is, but some of us is me George and Don Weller and Patrice, Louise and Shane Torgelsen, and that's jess for starters, well we want now to say SORRY. Have a heppy day.

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  • KellAugust 24, 2013 - 3:53 pm

    The man applied to have a home covered under the Section 8 program. HUD or the county inspects Section 8 houses and decides on rent rates based on how big the place is. It's a good program and it needs more homes to rent. Lots of veterans get help thru Section 8. He was denied. End of story on that one, right?

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  • Valerie MischAugust 24, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    It's amazing to me, the turn this has taken!!! 132 comments?? About personal vendettas (and not the folks mentioned in the title), accusations, sarcastic remarks, recipes, etc, etc, etc. HONESTLY folks, this isn' t Facebook!!!

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  • James E.August 24, 2013 - 6:12 pm

    This is better than Facebook.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 6:26 pm

    Valerie...this is a social interaction page. Many will keep an article open to let others know to read the comments...if you have noticed this wall terminates...Facebook continues. so say I want someone to read a comment they may have missed--I have to keep it open--any way I can...usually it is by up setting someone...but it keeps the article in the front. James--I like Facebook better--I like pictures right along side my text...im visual that way.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    Everyone be nice to Valerie...she is one of the "good" people of Pollock--truly curious about issues. she has not become jaded like some of us. And she believes a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. So I like her. She believes in the Constitution of the United States...how sad that I feel I have to defend the people who still believe in the rule of law. I have only spoken to her twice...but it was a pleasure to do so--her son is remarkable. He has fought his way back from a horrible accident. I honor his strength.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 6:55 pm

    James...do you think there really are letters...Im still waiting on any kind of notes from the disbanded grand jury. A napkin--anything. People paid for that as well. Keep hope alive.

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  • James E.August 24, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Yes, there are letters, but we will never see them. Yes, there are Grand Jury records (and the secret why they disbanded), but we will never see them.

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  • James E.August 24, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    The Governor of Kentucky gave a speech praising Obamacare at length. Sitting on the stage with him was Senator Paul and Senator McConnell. Both remained stone-faced. How sweet.

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  • Fair TrialAugust 24, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    I agree with Walter Miller, the letters should be made public. Reading between the lines, it sounds like Ray Nutting had a home for rent and a prospective tenant with a Section 8 voucher. He must have been a member of the local Public Housing Authority, or whatever the El Dorado County equivalent is named. It seems he asked if he could rent to a Section 8 tenant, and when told "no", took it further up the chain of command. When it was denied at the top locally, Nutting asked for a waiver from HUD. The federal Section 8 regulations allow waiver requests, but it appears his waiver was denied. So...he didn't receive any Section 8 money; he only asked and was turned down. I think it's fair to assume there's nothing remotely illegal here. Otherwise, the DA would be heaping on more charges instead of exchanging secret letters with Ron Briggs.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 8:31 pm

    I bought another can of beanie weenies James...I am now addicted to them...and plead with friends to bring them up ...on their way home. I can eat them cold--so at least i know I can eat them if I am lost in the woods. Of course if no one thins the woods--we may not have any more.

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  • James E.August 24, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    James -- responsible for making Fran an addict.

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  • EvelynAugust 24, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    Fair Trial: What you write makes such a lot of sense.

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  • George WashingtonAugust 24, 2013 - 9:03 pm

    El Dorado County Politics: Psycho DA on a Rampage, Victim hosts successful fundraiser ........................ Stay tuned as we are going to unpack some information about Vern Pierson who appears to be a very disturbed man. We will also go in to detail about the alleged offense of Ray Nutting. @ http://tinyurl.com/mslqjmu

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 24, 2013 - 9:37 pm

    George...I believe you may have changed the words to fit your needs....lets play battle of the links. GO...

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  • George WashingtonAugust 25, 2013 - 6:43 am

    Mornin', Fran. I'm disappointed in your research 'cause I can tell you didn't check out what's at the link. Battle of the links finished.

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 7:58 am

    Something must be in the water this morning. George W. and Psycho (elsewhere) singing the same song? HERE

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  • Valerie MischAugust 25, 2013 - 8:28 am

    With all due respect, I don't consider this a 'social interaction' page. It's part of the Mountain Democrat, and the purpose is to leave comments pertaining to the article in question. I think if people have an opinion one way or the other about the Ray Nutting/Vern Pierson situation, this is the place to air that opinion. If some situation, either real or perceived, in Pollock Pines is an issue, maybe a letter to the editor of the Mountain Democrat is in order - then it would be published online and everyone could jump in and give their thoughts.

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  • MarthaAugust 25, 2013 - 8:53 am

    I'm sorry for impersonating George Washington. It's just that when my arguments are so weak, and I feel public opinion turning on me, I get desperate. Also, my I.Q. is 83, so I can't be held for responsible for my moronic actions, Sincerely, Oh Brother, Martha, etc

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  • George WashingtonAugust 25, 2013 - 8:56 am

    @Fran, Evelyn Obviously it doesn't take much to fool you. By the way, I didn't see a by-line for the article at that wonderful link Psycho DA posted. Oh, that's right, it's because it's not a legitimate news source. It's a propaganda website set up by a coward and the Defenders of Ray. Silly me...

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  • cookie65August 25, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Valerie, with all due respect, you don't get to dictate what the purpose of the comment section is. There is a great deal of social interaction that takes place in and on these pages which serves to create dialog. Dialog is the only way for people to get an understanding of what their fellow citizens of this county are encountering and dealing with when it comes to local, state and federal government. Typically the comment section offers far more information than the article. It certainly offers far more perspective. You get to chose which comments you read, you don't get to choose which comments are allowed.

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 9:26 am

    George....which is why it made me laugh....rolling eyeballs....

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 9:27 am

    Private lobbyists get public pensions in 20 states http://tinyurl.com/mff8ap9 No more parties...because they are not really fighting back. Ultra rich vs....well no one really--they win.

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  • James E.August 25, 2013 - 9:31 am

    Valerie is not going to win. Cookie makes pervasive argument.

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  • James E.August 25, 2013 - 9:33 am

    *** strike pervasive, add convincing

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 9:52 am

    Washington...silly makes me laugh. Ray is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. You have to agree that all these back and forth articles are just that...silly. People here in America are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This wall is a court of sorts...and the majority has decided that Ray is a person. And therefore he is innocent in the eyes of the law, until proven guilty in a "real" court. The rest is amusing. Throwing down links of information is fun...most here like to read :) You assumed since I support the idea that a person is innocent until proven guilty--that I feel the rest are guilty. One one side we have paper work being done wrong (grants--Hud) and on the other side possible cover ups dealing with violence. when any of those people are arrested...I will also claim the same statement. People are innocent until proven guilty. It is the links that interest me. Not the gang up on Ray. He will have his day in court. I like him and his family. I have worked along side him on fund raisers. I am interested in why we have hired people from other places--that seem to be repeated some of the same acts here. Links. Provide them...and I will read them. what new comers no not know is that the people on this wall have already repeatedly provided links on the people in this political game. They did their homework--presented it on this wall...and continued on.

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 10:42 am

    George: What constitutes a "legitimate news source"? Whatever may be said about the article in question (here), the website carrying it has articles going all the way back to December 2009 and, therefore, cannot have been set up by "the Defenders of Ray". At least, not unless they were prescient in the extreme.

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 11:15 am

    The above article references Pierson's political ambitions. That certainly doesn't make him unique, and apparently he must have taken a stab in 2004 at the Calif. State Senate. HERE. Pierson is young and probably continues looking onward and upward.

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  • cookie65August 25, 2013 - 11:54 am

    Evelyn, "legitimate news source" is a fairly new addition to our lexicon. It has been followed closely by those who have assign themselves as content monitors of these and other comment sections. In years past the opportunity didn't exist for people to question or counter whatever the storyline, narrative or influence peddling being offered and promoted. Now that the technology exists to dispute and offer alternative subject matter in real time, those alternative sources must be labeled as NOT "legitimate news sources". The same way dianne feinstein has said that only people on a payroll can be considered "real journalists" and under 1st Amendment freedom of the press protection. It is not a reach to predict more effort will be given to control what people can be exposed to online. There have been a number of things recently exposed that were categorized as tin-foil hat theories just a couple of years ago.

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  • Valerie MischAugust 25, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    cookie - you're absolutely right that I get to choose if and when I comment on something - Which is why I will leave the rest of you to banter back and forth on the huge variety of subjects that have been covered here. Anyone who wants to discuss the Nutting/Pierson situation, let me know if you find a suitable place for that discussion - valtm@gmail.com

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  • George WashingtonAugust 25, 2013 - 12:40 pm

    @Evelyn Legitimate news sources have by-lines, to tell you who wrote the story. Can you tell me who wrote the story at the link in question?

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  • cookie65August 25, 2013 - 12:57 pm

    George, that is not accurate. You can read "news" all day long online that has nothing more than AP, CNN, Bloomberg, Reuters or many other sources in the "by line".

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    El Dorado County DA Vern Pierson Accused of Grand Jury Abuse - See more at: http://www.inedc.com/1-5734#sthash.8i2bbvpU.dpuf

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  • Fran DuchampAugust 25, 2013 - 1:26 pm

    Someone tried to add Peirson to wiki--it was deleted by the people who try to watch over the site http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Vern_Pierson

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  • EvelynAugust 25, 2013 - 2:12 pm

    George: You say, "Legitimate news sources have by-lines, to tell you who wrote the story." I agree that being able to identify authorship is useful, particularly where legal accountability is an issue. Also, familiarity with an author's past work provides us with a shortcut for deciding whether or not we wish to look at new material by that person. However, frequently we read material without knowing who wrote it. Three instances: (1) From time to time this very newspaper publishes items without attribution. (2) Though not purporting to be a "news source", your own identity is unknown to us. Like most of those attacking Ray Nutting in the Comments section of this paper, you choose anonymity. (3) There is a long history of works and articles whose authors used pseudonyms. Eric Arthur Blair is one such, who I'm certain is well known to you. In the end, our individual judgment, perspective, background and pre-existing body of information must guide us in deciding what is credible and what is not.

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