Wednesday, April 16, 2014

Nutting’s ‘My Turn’


After reading your paper for Wednesday, Sept. 25, I spent a restless night of sleep. I could not believe that a suspect in a criminal proceeding was given a column in your paper entitled “My Turn” by Ray Nutting. The use of “My Turn,” says it all. This is an attempt to plead his case and become well known by the public from which his jurors will be chosen, if the case ever goes to court.

This is highly irregular. His letter is an attempt, in my opinion, to vindicate his actions and claim him to be a forest manager, an expert. This is like Bernie Madoff writing
on the financial world for the Wall Street Journal before his trial. The charges that have been brought against Mr. Nutting should be settled in court, with the evidence presented. It should not be tried in this manner, in the media. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial, including the public.

In my opinion, these actions must take place immediately. The District Attorney’s Office must file an injunction to stop further columns by Mr. Nutting until his case has been settled. I’m not a lawyer or a judge, but in my opinion a change of venue is in order to another county where Mr. Nutting or the case has been poorly publicized in the media.

I question his claim to be a forest manager, when he starts fires on “no burn” days and the fire gets away from him, and requires fire department assistance. I am taking a copy of this letter to the District Attorney’s Office also, I hope they will agree with me and take immediate action.


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Discussion | 29 comments

  • Walking TallOctober 22, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Couldn't agree more "Nutcase" needs to be removed ASAP and allow this County to heal and to allow him to tant a jury prior to trial is nothing more than a tactic used by the guilty to postpone the trial or dirvert the issues. Ray Ray go away....

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  • James E.October 22, 2013 - 4:47 pm

    I have no idea whether Ray Nutting is guilty or not guilty. But articles of this type prejudice the jury. They should not be allowed.

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  • 1036-FrankOctober 24, 2013 - 3:21 pm

    There is a difference in a letter from a concerned citizen and an indicted Supervisor using an editorial/opinion piece in a newspaper. One has a motive to write in a defense of his actions to an audience like prospective jurors and carefully script a message of his case for effect, not to mention the impression it appears he attempted, that he is working hard for people and resuming his actions as an elected official and appears he is not overly concerned of the future, while the other, the citizen, has a concern of the above and recognized it. These unchartered waters, where Nutting didn't step down are without rules in place which should be. Now that which was never before seen, should be addressed at a county level with a policy because it could happen again. This defense case looks to be part of an, "act normal" strategy to try to show the public one face, while the court will have a trial for another. This case should go to Sac like the other Supervisor's case.

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  • My thought.October 25, 2013 - 9:14 am

    RAY NOTHING.. HE is not in any way a forest anything but a person that goes about his own friikin rules, and has an *** load of excuses. He was given $$ from the Carpenters union when he was running before back in the day, in return he was going to help with the Food Bank for Camino, He never did, when the Mill had a fire and a strike he was never there, I know first hand because I sat in the Union meetings and witnessed from his ********. The Union did not welcome him after that. He always thought he was a Forest know everything, not. The DA. should pick up speed and get his sorry self a Wake up call to the KARMA HE DESERVES. Wrong is wrong, plus the cost of emergency help that he had to get help from caused and the $$$ that the people that donate to the fire DEPT and help with the fund raisers to keep this county's fire DEPT some support , with his stupid acts, He needs to go down QUICK. And wipe that grin off his face.

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  • RaulOctober 25, 2013 - 9:39 am

    So, it is OK that the DA and Briggs, with the total backing of the Mt. Dipsh*t was conducted a campaign of drivel, slander and foaming at the mouth for many months now? That is not tainting a potential Jury?I don't know if Mr. Nutting is guilty of the charges or not. That will be resolved by a court of law. Walking Tall, 10-36 and many others have made it their mission to inject their rabid discourse on the Nutting matter with little regard for his rights. So how about everyone shutting up and let justice take it's course. I found it rather strange that the whole Nutting issue came up about the same time that the word around Fair(?)Lane was that both Nutting and Briggs were going to run for state assembly..Is this a case of take out the competition? Inquiring minds want to know. How about that Grand Jury. LOL

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  • Gaspen AspenOctober 25, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Ol Ray-Ray is as guilty as the day is long AND HE KNOWS IT!! Like many have said, he should just do the right thing and go away. I couldn't care less about his large land holding or how long this corrupt fool has been in this county. I am truly amazed at all the levels of corruption in this county. Instead of El Dorko County, this should be Corruption County. I can see the sign now. Welcome to Corruption County. Leave your morals, ethics and honesty at the county line. GO AWAY RAY! We don't want you here. Why stay in a place where you are hated and not wanted. Go sell your bag of dung to someone who's buying it because we aren't!! I met you once and saw deception and dishonesty in your eyes.

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  • No GasOctober 25, 2013 - 10:29 am

    Gas Ass, you mean like what you keeping saying using different catchy names

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  • Carsons KitOctober 25, 2013 - 9:56 am

    Raul, I suppose your are right. Someone with a smoking gun, dead body and witnesses has a right to a fair trial, so why is Nutbag any different? Just saying. This fool is trying to delay and delay the enevitable...hoping it will go away. Nutbag is nothing more than another corrupt politician, no different than the iodiots in Washington. Raul, take your liberal thinking back to the bay area.

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  • EvelynOctober 25, 2013 - 10:08 am

    Prior to Mr. Nutting's trial several commenters routinely insist upon using language unfit for proper jurisprudence while at the same time insisting that Mr. Nutting remain mute. Is that the best we can do?

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  • MorrisOctober 25, 2013 - 10:28 am

    Amen Evelyn.

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  • RaulOctober 25, 2013 - 10:54 am

    Carson..Sorry guy (?), I"m a libertarian, much different than a liberal. I work an honest job, owned a successful business, raised a family with two sons being Iraq veterans, home owner, a gun owner and will defend myself if needed, Do not believe in supporting lazy people on welfare, do not believe in amnesty, Obamacare, welfare or drivers licenses for illegals, love California but hate California laws, taxes and regulations. Truly believe, based on personal experience that most El Dorado County politicians are dishonest and only take care of their own interest. I hope and pray that the court system does the right thing. ARE WE REALLY THAT DIFFERENT?

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  • Bob ReevesOctober 25, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    Oh, where do I begin? State law strictly prohibits public officials from having an economic interest in their agencies‘ contracts. In essence,this is a prohibition against self -dealing. This particular law has been traced back to the earliest days of California's statehood. Raymond Nutting recommended to the Grizzly Flat Fire Safe Council to apply for RAC Grant money, and then voted as a County Supervisor to approve the State Grant money.He then received the Grant money through the Happy Valley Fire Safe Council. He then "forgot" to include these monies in his Statement of Economic Interest for several years.(That's against the law) The FPPC fined him for his negligence and he paid his fine but Raymond still has to answer in a court of law for these criminal offenses. After Raymond Nutting was ARRESTED he then proceeded to solicit bail money from a contractor who has contracts with the county. (Huge Mistake ) Raymond also received bail money from a County Employee.( Another Mistake) Public officials serve as stewards of public agency resources. These resource may not be used for the personal or political benefit of public officials. The public has the right to the " honest services" of public officials. The basic concept is that a public official owes a duty of loyalty and honesty to the public, similar to a trustee or fiduciary. That duty is violated when a public official makes a decision that is not motivated by his constituents' interests but instead by his own personal interests.

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  • barbara baileyOctober 28, 2013 - 10:56 am

    Bob Reeves summed it up. Let's not forget Ray was operating several" businesses" without any business licenses. Oh yeah, he also tried to use his county position to qualify as a Section 8 landlord using county letterhead....but, he's just a good ol' country boy, not a businessman??! I think not; and neither did Joe Harn and Vern Pierson. THEY deserve our support; not Ray. They are doing their jobs. Anything less and they would be on the hot seat. Since RAY, RAY WON'T GO. AWAY, let's get him to trial. Reserve me a seat. This will definately be a BYOBB trial...Bring Your Own Barf Bag....ughhh!

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  • James E.October 25, 2013 - 11:01 pm

    Mr. Reeves, most informative.

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  • 1036-FrankOctober 26, 2013 - 9:20 am

    With Mr. Reeves putting it in very simple terms you would think people could grasp it, many can't they are part of it and his supporters. Where others see the charges as valid, they excuse them and blame others. They have to invent vast conspiracy networks and "get the other guy"" now the newspaper did it, right along with the DA and Briggs, people really aren't that naïve and dumb. This trial needs to go to Sac.

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  • confident taxpayerOctober 26, 2013 - 9:45 am

    Frank hits the nail on the head every time. We can be proud that El Dorado County has a DA who would never target anyone unjustly and has a fine record of even-handedness. Even a major political contributor arrested for drunk driving will get no favors.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 11:15 am

    Barbara---is this you from the grand Jury that disbanded? Playing with some interesting people? Ray is innocent until proven guilty in a court of do recognise the law right?NEW GRAND JURY:
 The Grand Jury for El Dorado County for 2011-2012 will be composed of the following members: Barbara Bailey, Dolores P. Clowser, Irvin Coe, Dale Garner Davis, Ryan Donner, William (Gary) Ettlinger, Billy Garrett, Larry Harnick, William Knox, Dan Jensen, Ann Lee, Theodore Long, Lisa Magnuson, Carmen Moyapetersen, Eileen Pope, Michael Powell, Robert Reeves, Joseph Salerno, Robert Zehren, Joe Warchol (alternate). (mountain democrat) A couple of these people are "players" in economic they also share what happen behind closed doors? Interesting. I thought we were going to let Ray have his day in court? is not for Ray to defend himself--it is for the DA to prove him wrong. A grand Jury allows the person the knowledge of what the person is accused of. Thats it. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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  • Great Gaspen AspenOctober 28, 2013 - 11:38 am

    Blind liberalism at it's finest!

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 2:51 pm

    Great Gaspen Aspen October 28, 2013 - 11:38 am Blind liberalism at it's finest!....well you got my political interest wrong--yay you. lolol If you are referring to the law--it is what it is. People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of matter how many times you close your eyes--tap your shoes and wish upon the...what do you believe in--since its not the Constitution?

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  • Great Gaspen AspenOctober 28, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Yes, so you will witness a person shooting another, see him do it, see the evidence and then say, "Well he IS innocent until proven guilty" because thats what the law SAYS...even though I just saw him shoot someone. Yes, that killer would be entitled to a trial. We can only hope justice would be served. BLIND, like I said. I'm finished with you. Have a nice day.

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  • No GasOctober 28, 2013 - 4:06 pm

    Gas Ass if you seen a shooting report it immediately to the DA and get ready for the witness stand. Your country needs you.

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  • MorrisOctober 28, 2013 - 8:51 pm

    Of course he would be entitled to a trial; assuming he didn't plead out beforehand. That's the way it works and one cannot pick and choose the guilty and the innocent based solely upon the word of another; no matter how reputable that individual may be. To do so would subject the entire process to far more corruption and false testimony than even that which is possible under the current system. Further, the status of an individual as an eyewitness is subject to points of failure and miscommunication. Even for yourself Gaspen. If one witness declares: 'I saw Morris speeding in a red truck right into a school zone!!' the statement conveys a certain amount of implied guilt. But another witness might declare: 'I saw Morris speeding in a red truck right into a school zone and unloaded the fireman who saved the children by extending the trucks ladder.' We left vigilante justice behind many years ago in adopting the more fair and civilized English Common Law.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 11:20 am

    My mistake this jury did not disband. They actually had a report. Barbara--barf bag? really?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 11:28 am

    THE 2012-2013 GRAND JURY WILL BE IN SESSION SOON! (June 2012) Every year on or about July 1, Grand Jurors in all fifty eight counties in California are sworn in by their supervising Superior Court Judge, receive the charge of the Court and start their twelve months of volunteer service. The purpose of the Grand Jury is to make recommendations to their County Governments, City Governments, Community Service Districts, Fire Districts and other entities which receive tax payer funds with the goal of more efficient operations, and spending tax revenue properly. The grand jury process has been uninterrupted since California became a State and joined the Union." " uninterrupted" what happened?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 11:36 am

    Reeves...also from the jury that actually had a report? Could it be two grand Jury people from the past making comments? Well since you do not know or respect the law. People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...dont make me bring out the lessons on law from the third graders site again. lololol

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    Great Gaspen Aspen wow..good example. Not. Reread...and try again. Get just a wee bit closer to reality this time.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 4:26 pm

    Great Gaspen Aspen...I have seen someone shoot at someone--it was in self defense.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 28, 2013 - 4:31 pm

    And yes that was decided in a court of law. Now the people accused of shooting a friend of mine--were let evidence. As a witness in that trial...I accepted the verdict. Since Ray didnt shoot anyone-- your example is way out there...although the DA has been accused of covering up a killing...dont really know about it myself...but one of the posters believes it to be true. Ray will have his day in court.

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  • James E.October 28, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    They executed a man in Texas on the sole basis of one eye witness. Some of that Texas justice -- think George W. was the governor at the time.

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