Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Open letter to McClintock

EDITOR:

This is an open letter to Congressman Tom McClintock.

I am writing this letter because you keep saying that your constituents don’t want Obamacare.

I want Obamacare. I have called your office back in Washington D.C. several times to let you know I do not want it “repealed” or “defunded” before it’s been given a chance. Instead you refuse to hear us.

So far my granddaughter and adult son, with preexisting conditions, are covered. For the first time in 10 years our premiums did “not” jump by double digits. And best part is that my No. 3 son can finally shop for heath care coverage. Do you want to take that away? Why? Small businesses get AHA tax breaks, and Walmart has been excused for a year. You and your staff have been excused from it as well (so you can keep your Cadillac plans).

Truth be known, the Affordable Care Act is really a giveaway to the insurance companies. (Republicans were the ones who called it “Obamacare” to stigmatize it. Looks like that backfired.) Insurance companies are really cash-cows, ask any stock broker. But now they have to compete for customers and not dictate “who they will cover.” That’s open competition.

I thought that’s what Republicans and Tea-Party members liked, an open market.

We were losing jobs long before 2009 and Obamacare, so to say it’s costing jobs is a false statement. Compared to what? We didn’t have health care to blame with the financial crash, and the millions of jobs were lost then. You didn’t shut down the government to stop banks from killing jobs and sucking up tax dollars. They did far more harm to this country than Obamacare.

So why is it that you and the other 29 Tea Party House Republicans are fighting so hard to stop Obamacare to the point of bringing down the government? Why are all of you in a panic?

Mr. McClintock, you are an elegant speaker, and you keep saying all you hear is objection to the law.

That can’t be true. Besides my calls, I know personally of seven other Divide residents and at least four Placerville residents who have called and e-mailed you. I have seen three petitions with over 300 to 600 signatures against what you are doing. There is a very loud voice against your actions. Just saying “I don’t hear it” does “not” make it true.

Tom, just look at the 5 million hits on the California’s AHA Website on the first day. That shows a strong interest in “Affordable Health Care.” Why aren’t you taking the lead from the people in your district and not from the insurance companies or freedom works or whoever you listening to. The facts show a very large majority say “No” to what you’re doing. Why aren’t you listening?

PAT SNELLING
Garden Valley

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 5:46 pm

    Ms. Snelling, you are shouting into the wind. Tom, our carpetbagger representative listens only to the Tea Party. If all responsible Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and those not indicating a preference, would sign up to vote and then vote in 2014 (yes, a responsible Republican would be a good replacement), we can throw him out and then watch as he takes his carpetbag to a new location. Tom is a very small carpetbagger. Oh, and is he going to decline his pay during the shutdown? Sure, hold your breath.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieOctober 03, 2013 - 6:02 pm

    Until we actually measure and publish constituent preferences, we will not be able to hold any "representative" accountable for doing that job.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Kirk, true, but we have been discussing this for the past couple of years and we cannot seem to get it done. Therefore, out with Tom who represents only the Tea Party and his corporate contributors. If you ever get voter preferences recorded, then let us know.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieOctober 03, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    James -- "we" cannot seem to get it done? I guess when "we" get it done, "we" won't need to let *you* know.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 6:18 pm

    Kirk, I cannot be in the "we" because I have no idea if it can be done with any certainty. You can provide a product, but it will have so many variables not considered that it will be useless. In my opinion, of course. I wish you well in your quest.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 6:20 pm

    Meanwhile, EDC (except for Tea Party members and Corporations) should focus on dumping Tom out on his ear in 2014.

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  • Doubting ThomasOctober 03, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    You can't make this stuff up...This was posted today by Gary Bauer @ American Values: "Day 2 of the Obamacare rollout didn't go much better than Day 1. In California, officials were forced to admit that they had grossly inflated the number of people who tried to access the state's Obamacare exchange site. They initially claimed that five million people visited the site. The real figure was just 645,000. Of those, fewer than 8,000 actually completed an application. If you experience problems with Obamacare online, you can call the national hotline at 1-800-318-2596. But as The Daily Caller notes, leave out the "1" and the phone number spells: 1-800-3(F) 8(U) 2(*) 5(*) 9(Y) 6(O). Surely that is just an unfortunate mistake. Isn't it?" Pat, a sucker is born every minute. If you want Affordable Care, you can have it.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    Yes, Gary Bauer and The Daily Caller. I'm convinced. And, Thomas, if you don't want the ACA, then don't have it.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieOctober 03, 2013 - 7:46 pm

    James -- and I wish you well in your quest to replace Rep. McClintock based on nothing more than a tantrum.

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  • James E.October 03, 2013 - 7:46 pm

    Kirk, it appears we are wishing each other well. A great way to part.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 7:25 am

    Pat Snelling: Your own (reported) positive experience aside, I know people whose premiums have skyrocketed and others whose coverage has been dropped because of Obamacare. Hideously expensive, it is a totalitarian edict forced upon a largely unwilling people coming at a time when our official national debt is about $17 trillion and the national deficit approx. $1 trillion pa. When Obama was elected in 2008, the official national debt stood at only $10 trillion. "You may like Obamacare, or you may hate Obamacare; but the fact remains that we CANNOT AFFORD Obamacare at this time. So my first question to proponents of socialized medicine would be: Where is the money going to come from? More taxes? How can Obamacare be funded by increased taxes, when the average median household income has fallen every year for five years in a row." (here) ********** P.S. I am neither a Republican nor a Tea Party member.

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  • AmOctober 18, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    How about those of us who don't use doctors and hospitals? Why do we have to pay? It's communism and I won't stand for it. To hell with Obamacare. If you want high priced doctors, you pay for them.

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  • EvelynOctober 19, 2013 - 6:59 am

    Am: I totally agree with both your comments.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 7:28 am

    P.S. Referencing preceding quote, as James E. points out, Obamacare is NOT socialized medicine. It is INSURANCE COMPANY MEDICINE.

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  • EvelynOctober 05, 2013 - 7:32 am

    REAL DANGER OF “OBAMACARE”: INSURANCE COMPANY TAKEOVER OF HEALTH CARE - HERE

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  • Doubting ThomasOctober 07, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    A sucker is born every minute: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/john-mcafee-on-obamacare-this-is-a-hackers-wet-dream-video/ Jimmy Kimmel did a spoof on his show last week when people on the street were interviewed and asked whether they preferred Obamacare or Affordable Healthcare Act. Not knowing they are ONE and the SAME, every person replied 'Affordable Healthcare Act.' LOL!

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  • Suzq123October 07, 2013 - 6:57 pm

    Mr. Snelling THANK YOU!! I have had the same experience with Tom. When I have sent e-mails showing my support for ACA, I get e-mails back with out and out lies from our representative telling me how disastrous the ACA is on our country. Health insurance premiums for my son, a cancer survivor, myself and my husband kept skyrocketing reaching 3,000 per month in 2008 (prior to the ACA). We could not cancel he insurance due to the pre-existing condition. In 2011 thanks to the ACA a pre-existing insurance plan was in place here in California. As far as companies cutting back employee hours due to the ACA, I remember in 2004 or 2005 when companies started cutting hour to avoid paying employee benefits. This was long before President Obama took office. I do not understand why McClintock and the other Tea Party members have no respect for America and our Constitution. The ACA has been passed by all three branches of government as well as upheld by the Supreme Court.

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  • RichOctober 07, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    I want Affordable health Care and here are a few reasons why: If you need health insurance because your employer doesn’t make it available, you are self-employed or not working, or you have been denied coverage, you can shop in the Health Insurance Marketplace in your state.In the marketplace, you’ll be able to compare the benefits and costs of health plans side by side.You may be able to get financial help to help pay for the health insurance you buy in the marketplace. The amount of help you can get depends on your income. People shopping in the exchange will be able to pick among several levels of health coverage. This will allow you to find a plan that works best for you and your budget.All health insurance plans in the exchange must cover essential benefits, including hospitalization, medical care, mental health services, prescription drugs and rehabilitation services.Plans cannot refuse to sell you a policy because of your health status, and must comply with many new consumer protections. You can get information on the cost of the health insurance plans when the marketplace begins enrollment in every state on Oct. 1, 2013. Coverage starts in 2014.You’ll also be able to get insurance outside the marketplace regardless of your health status, but you won’t be able to get tax credits there. All health insurance plans can no longer put lifetime or annual dollar limits on the benefits you receive. All health insurance plans must cover more preventive services at no additional cost to you.

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  • EvelynOctober 07, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Has anyone here successfully signed up for Obamacare using the online exchanges?

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  • EvelynOctober 07, 2013 - 7:37 pm

    No wonder everyone's so excited about this new Obamacare. Watch/listen to Nancy Pelosi say HERE: We see it as an entrepreneurial Bill, a Bill that says to someone: If you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations, because your will have healthcare, you don’t have to be job-locked. ................. Go Team Obama!!!

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  • DebbieOctober 07, 2013 - 10:59 pm

    Thank you for your letter Pat. I agree! I have also sent an email to his office voicing similar opinions about the ACA. He needs to hear from all of us, and he needs to know that we are not all tea party fanatics in the 4th District.

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  • VernOctober 07, 2013 - 11:01 pm

    ...conservatives are always wetting their diapers about how the Affordable Care Act is "too expensive", as if saving thousands of lives and getting health care to many millions of Americans is a mere minor detail. But what do the facts say? : The Congressional Budget Office estimated that Obamacare will reduce the federal deficit by $210 billion over the next decade. The law is expected to save about $1 trillion over its second decade, according to other CBO analyses: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/... Taking the coverage provisions and other provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade:

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  • AmOctober 18, 2013 - 7:51 pm

    You know what's too expensive? Paying for high prices health care when all you really need to do is eat real food, not this GMO laden look a like food. If you eat right, you won't need health care. Your body knows how to care for itself given half a chance. Think about it.

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  • Vitamin POctober 07, 2013 - 11:20 pm

    Let’s put this myth to rest. The public clearly dislikes Obamacare. Real Clear Politics is a balanced site that features liberal and conservative articles side by side. Its summary of the last eight national Obamacare popularity polls show that, in all eight polls, a majority of Americans do not (repeat, not) like Obamacare. The margins of disfavor range from 19% (CNN/Opinion Research) to 2% (Quinnipiac). They average 10.3% overall. It’s hard to see how Obamacare supporters can claim a majority of the American public agrees with them.

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  • rodOctober 07, 2013 - 11:46 pm

    obamacare is nothing more than one giant power grab, initiated by lies and deception, and perpetuated by liberal media and the domestic enforcement arm… the ‘new and improved’ IRS ( and we know their track record is directed by the whitehouse). 85% who had health care… are now paying for the other 15% who don’t… or won’t, the perfect union of Marxist hegemony and hucksterism all in one. The most egregious parts are the exemptions, Muslims, big unions and other democrat party supporters get a free ride… on the rest of America. Thank God SOMEBODY in our legislature has taken a stand for LIBERTY… WHAT IS LEFT OF IT.

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 5:34 am

    The last two post are good examples of how the desperate Republican Party has gotten its true believers to shill for the party all over the internet for nothing. These true believers are instructed to comment on certain articles or posts, praising the party and abusing the opposition,” kind of a rapid reaction force. The question I have is, do they really do it for nothing and if not who pays for these nests of trolls? In Russia where this has been perfected under the title of the Administration of Blogger and Commentators, at least they get paid an average wage.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 7:49 am

    I think everyone would be interested in "Affordable Health Care". To bad the leftist majority in congress from 2008-2010 gave us obamacare instead.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 7:55 am

    ACA makes us ill

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 7:55 am

    I understand the need to invent facts to serve one's self interests but the idea that anything near a majority support mandatory (government forced) health insurance is completely delusional. Your letter should be addressed to the major supporters of obamacare who now want nothing to do with it. Congress and their staff who wrote it, all the unions, the corporations who fund the dnc, the federal employees, and all the low information obama voters who thawt they were going to get free healthcare.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 8:03 am

    Vern, I understand how desperate you feel, your comment is dripping with it. But here is how the leftists are taking to the media to do exactly what you are accusing everyone else of doing. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/85043-new-republican-ad-slams-extreme-rhetoric-democrats-shutdown/

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  • kggOctober 08, 2013 - 8:03 am

    add me to the list of mcclintock's "constituents" who want obamacare and add the rest of my family as well. mcclintock is not listening because it doesn't serve the purpose of his real constituents - the koch brothers.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 8:08 am

    “The cunning of the fox is as dangerous as the violence of the wolf; and we ought to guard equally against both.” -- Thomas Paine 1776 essay, The Sunshine Patriot

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  • EvelynOctober 08, 2013 - 8:10 am

    kgg: You no longer need to "want" Obamacare. You can have it. Sign up and tell us how it went.

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  • EvelynOctober 08, 2013 - 8:13 am

    . . . as for those Russian paid bloggers, here they'll be using (barely literate?) schoolchildren to flog an incoherent 2,000+ page program to friends and family.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 8:16 am

    kgg, we can add you to the list of the least informed. Are you aware that the government is shut down because harry reid and obama refuse to grant the same exact one year waiver to the INDIVIDUAL mandate that they have granted to their corporate contributors? Nothing the repubs sent to the Senate would keep you from signing for obamacare. The only thing that would keep you from signing up for obamacare is the exchanges that don't work. Do the big unions who have written letters rejecting obamacare work for the Koch brothers too? You speak in worn out talking points, do you think in worn out talking points?

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 8:18 am

    How interesting, people are eager to turn their medical care over to a government that throws temper tantrums and punishes elderly veterans, displaces eighty year olds from their home, strands school children by closing a road, and do not forget, denies political opponents access to the politic,al system by IRS thugs. These IRS thugs are in charge of this power grab. So as this go forward, remember to follow orders and do not make the overseers angry.

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  • EricOctober 08, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    Dee#1 perfect example of how the republican (FAUX) media has misinformed the public about the ACA. you say "turn their medical care over to a government" but this is not government run healthcare. Everything on the various state marketplaces is a private company health care plan. The government is requiring by law that (among other things) you not be denied coverage.

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 8:28 am

    Perfect example, three minute responds, and you get extra points for the little distraction, cunning of the fox is as dangerous as the violence of the wolf; cute

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 8:29 am

    Exactly how intelligent can someone be if they are desperate to receive something the people who are offering it don't want? Welfare and foodstamps fall into this same line of reasoning. You don't see the people passing out the crumbs in exchange for votes living in that crap.

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 8:34 am

    Definitely a non-paid blogger!

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 8:35 am

    Dee#1, BINGO!!! Turning over their healthcare to people who view them as nothing more than useful idiots. What the government can give, the government can take.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Dee, that's berry true.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 8:42 am

    Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi: When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class. Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us. Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week’s huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties. Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios: First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.  Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans. And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies. On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans. We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow. We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions. We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made. James P. Hoffa General President International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joseph Hansen International President UFCW D. Taylor President UNITE-HERE

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 8:52 am

    Vern, you are certainly full of yourself.

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 8:53 am

    Phil, cute.. It reminds me of the Strawberry doll my daughter loved.

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 9:31 am

    Desperation: Under the EDC Republican Central Committee leadership they have convinced a group believers to be a rapid reaction force praising the party and abusing the opposition. Seems to me a rapid reaction force for a lost cause doesn’t make any sense.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 9:31 am

    " Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that the income gap in the United States has increased to the point where members of the middle class resemble the Americans who lived in poverty when he occupied the White House." -- Do the math, the leftist/socialist/progressive/communists have had a minimum of 2/3's control in DC for the last 7 years with full control for 2 of those years. Leftism destroys the middle class. It ain't rocket science, it is a demonstrable fact regardless of what you communist college professor told you. Leftism feeds off the destruction of people.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 9:41 am

    Vern, reach above your head with either your right or left hand. Feel around for a string or a small metal chain. It may have a tiny bell shaped piece of brass or tin on the end. If you find it, gently pull down (towards you) on it. A light will come on; don’t be frightened, that is what is supposed to happen. It may hurt your eyes as first but that will pass quickly. Now that the light is on look around the 3ft by 3ft closet you are in for a round object on one of the walls at about bellybutton height. The object you are looking for is about the same width of an EBT card. It protrudes out from the wall several inches and can be made of metal or some kind of material that looks like glass or crystal. The metal ones tend to be brass or antique brass in color. When you find it reach out and grab it with one of your hands, it won’t hurt you. Once you have grabbed it you can turn it either to the right (clockwise) or to the left (counter clockwise). I am assuming you have seen a clock that is not digital. It won’t turn far before it releases a latch that will allow the wall to move. Once you have accomplished this push the wall open and step out of the closet and join the rest of us in reality.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 9:45 am

    Phil, it is a good thing you saw Yellowstone before the government shutdown. http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=206893

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 08, 2013 - 10:01 am

    lolololol...I love reading the comments in the morning...

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Cookie, now that you have guided Vern out of the closet, maybe he will be able to find some talking points that are germane to the subject.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 10:20 am

    Cookie, your Yellowstone link reminded me that the Colorado floods have created an anti-fracking opportunity for the enviro-wackos.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 10:21 am

    LINK - fracking-and-flooding-in-colorado

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 10:22 am

    Thank you girls for helping me find my way........... I still want to know though, are you both trolls that get paid for blogging?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 10:26 am

    Vern, I'm the only paid troll here and my going rate is so obscenely high that could not possibly be any extra loot for Cookie and Dee.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 10:28 am

    . . . so obscenely high that there could not possibly be . . .

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  • Reginald BronnerOctober 08, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Tom McClintock is a paid (excessive campaign donations) representative and lobbyist for water and developer interests in the Central Valley and Southern California. He can afford to successfully run for his costly multimillion dollar congressional seat. He is also allowed to own his own private agenda - Tea Party manipulator - and populist issues (consider "defunding Obamacare", etc.) and give them free rein. He may or may not reside in his district. Elk Grove, does anyone really know or believe? He is the modern "gerrymandered Republican legislator"; a blight on California politics and a survivor of the last redistricting negotiations between the Democrats and the Republicans. . It is not an unknown phenomenon; there are others in California. He has never represented anyone other than his own "class" and he never will. Sending him letters has always been a waste of time. Somehow you have to get the over 55 crowd to understand the true reality about "their" representative. He likes your votes; he does not like them. He can raise enough "dark money" to afford to not care what they think.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 10:35 am

    Dee #1, in Vern's unequalled ignorance he is attributing to us just another marketable skill, accusing us of getting paid to comment. I think he is jealous, lacking any thoughts someone would pay for. He is so far behind he thinks he is first, prior to the original national tragedy of electing an unqualified, incompetent, community agitator the lemmings on the left used the same defense. Anyone who opposed obama must be getting paid (or a racists) according to them, yet it wasn't us who were voting for redistribution of wealth and a trillion dollars in entitlements. He still can't define hope and change because he took it to mean obama was going to be very generous with other people's money. To Vern and all the other lemmings obama's election meant money in their pockets that they didn't have to compete or work for. It is truly what they believed, just like all the lofo's who thought obamacare meant free healthcare.

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 10:46 am

    Why I do not trust this government.-----Armed Guards Kick Senior Citizens Out of Yellowstone Park by ELIZABETH SHELD 8 Oct 2013, 8:01 AM PDT 33 POST A COMMENT SHARE THIS: Thousands of people found themselves inside a national park when the government shutdown went into effect. Pat Vaillancourt and her tour group "which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard." The seniors were treated harshly by armed park employees until they were able to leave according to Vaillancourt. Once they began the journey out of the park, "the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route." “We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm. Vaillancourt was on a nine day tour of western parks "with about four dozen senior citizen tourists." As her bus stopped to take a picture of some bison, "an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t 'recreate.' The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t 'recreating,' just taking photos." As they approached the Old Faithful Inn located next to the famous Old Faithful geyser, she could see barricades around the geyser and the seniors were locked inside the Inn with armed guards. “They looked like Hulk Hogans, armed. They told us you can’t go outside,” she said. “Some of the Asians who were on the tour said, ‘Oh my God, are we under arrest?’ They felt like they were criminals.” The driver of the tour bus eventually brought his group to a full-service bathroom after the 2.5 journey out of the park. The bus attempted to stop at an in-park dude ranch to let the tourists use the bathroom, but the ranch had been warned "that its license to operate would be revoked if it allowed the bus to stop. So the bus continued on to Livingston, Mont., a gateway city to the park." -

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  • VernaOctober 08, 2013 - 10:47 am

    Vern: You've become a regular. Welcome.

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 10:51 am

    Cookie, right on as usual. I am not sure why we are trolls when we comment in a community newspaper. Oh, I know we are not supposed to comment unless we agree with Obama. Like that would happen.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 10:51 am

    Dee #1, appeasement to tyranny is not new. It is a recurring phenomenon. Throughout the ages, individuals and groups have bowed down to tyranny believing they could avoid the consequences of those who opposed it. Stalin called them useful idiots.

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 10:52 am

    I bet you do, Fran. You little follower you. Vern, there isn't any open discussion without attack on this glitchy site. You voiced your opinion and the insults and name calling commenced from the cookie noname. No class and plenty of psuedo intelligence. Without caring about anything else the obstruction by the Tea Party is to bring down a presidency, nothing more. Not going to happen. In the near future, who knows the Dems may be a majority in Congress, Senate and the White House! Americans have spoken repeatedly, and we don't like crazy! You do get paid for your rantings cookie noname as you get paid for being a salesman--cars or propaganda?--wink, wink.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 08, 2013 - 2:38 pm

    Patrice...that was not nice. I dont follow anyone--Im not supporting a "party" or anything...I had found all the comments fun to read--did not mean I didnt learn anything. And I have not insulted anyone today...which Im ...reconsidering at this moment. My fight is in my own community...however some of these comments are just "funny." Since I am hit every once in awhile with personal remarks--I suggest people learn to be tougher skinned--you and Vern will live through it....lolol. I get paid to post...but not monetarily Now by whom--would be the question..

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 10:54 am

    Cookie, we each have to make our choices. Being pushed around tends to make my back straighter and the heels dig in. I have hunch you are the same way.

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 10:58 am

    Cute story about the park, why do I feel there’s not a word of truth in it!

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  • EricOctober 08, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    Its a copy and paste from Breitbart.com which I'd take with a does of salt since the "Friends of Hamas" flub. The site is decidedly slanted to the right. Doesn't mean its not true, but I'd check it with a separate source.

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 11:00 am

    Vern, because you swallowed the Kool Aid.

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  • Dee#1October 08, 2013 - 11:01 am

    I am going to go outside and commit some recreating with camera the the fall colors.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 11:03 am

    Vern, the pleated teleprompter is scheduled to speechify his non-participation, non-accountability, non-responsibility, and non-leadership any minute now. Those dastardly people elected by the citizens who pay for our government, welfare, foodstamps, unemployed and everything else are responsible for everything.

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 11:07 am

    Does anyone know what the people at South Lake Tahoe think about McClintock? He seems to be very active up there in recent months.

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  • R.J. CarterOctober 08, 2013 - 11:11 am

    I just heard that Obama has now opened-up the closed Capital Mall in Washington to thousands of illegal aliens so they can hold an immigration rally??...This is while they are still trying to keep WWII vets out of their memorial and Americans can't even pull off to the side of the road to see Mt. Rushmore....

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  • robertdnollOctober 08, 2013 - 11:16 am

    that is a noble thing to do

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 11:19 am

    And the reason is? Let me guess!

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 12:45 pm

    Congressman to McClintock is one of those who voted for and supports closing down our government in a lost cause effort to kill the Affordable Health Care act. There are going to be some mad veterans if this continues into next month. See you at SLT Tom, and isn’t nice the veterans community is picking up the tab!

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  • Dink LaneOctober 08, 2013 - 12:48 pm

    The families of the four (4) soldiers KILLED last Sunday can NOT..... I repeat, can NOT, meet their sons and daughter's casket at Dover....because of the Shutdown...... Pentagon lawyers TRIED to get some of the "Pay Military" funds OK'd last week to use for these families..... This Shutdown is a Pox on the whole Nation....

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 1:31 pm

    is this site back to not working?

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 1:33 pm

    The election of Obama and the support of government dictated healthcare have been explained. US adults are dumber than the average human. http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/us-adults-are-dumber-than-the-average-human/

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 1:53 pm

    So you don't like the facts that President Obama is your legitimate president, the deficit is shrinking, the ACA is here to stay cookie noname? These facts make everybody "dumber than the average American"? So be it. So superior....sure there is room in the Tea Party breadline for you. Hope you don't drive under the influence of facts.

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  • Devin DionneOctober 08, 2013 - 2:09 pm

    The site seems to be selective of who it wants on it.

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  • EvelynOctober 08, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    Patrice, PLEASE document your statement that the deficit is shrinking!!!

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 2:21 pm

    --Should you decide to apply for health coverage through Maryland Health Connection, the information you supply in your application will be used to determine whether you are eligible for health and dental coverage offered through Maryland Health Connection and for insurance affordability programs. It also may be used to assist you in making a payment for the insurance plan you select, and for related automated reminders or other activities permitted by law. We will preserve the privacy of personal records and protect confidential or privileged information in full accordance with federal and State law. We will not sell your information to others. Any information that you provide to us in your application will be used only to carry out the functions of Maryland Health Connection. The only exception to this policy is that we may share information provided in your application with the APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES for law enforcement and audit activities--. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." -- Joseph Goebbels

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 2:22 pm

    LINK - Federal deficit shrinking, but long-term outlook dim - LA Times

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 2:24 pm

    Patrice, twice now you have raised your hand. The first when I mentioned useful idiots and the second when I posted a study that concluded US adults are dumber than the average human. Sometimes you shouldn't raise your hand.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 2:31 pm

    "Growing concerns about identity theft and fraud have led the Illinois Department of Insurance to issue a public warning, just as the new health insurance exchanges enter their implementation phase." http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/local/navigators-raise-identity-theft-risk/article_e528f016-2f09-11e3-847a-001a4bcf6878.html

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Dink Lane: October 08, 2013 - 12:48 pm. The families of the four (4) soldiers KILLED last Sunday can NOT..... I repeat, can NOT, meet their sons and daughter's casket at Dover? NEVER would a Marine family be turned away, Never. I think you’re full of crap or greatly exaggerating.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 2:52 pm

    VALLEY FORGE, Pa. (CBS/AP) — A marathoner says he was fined $100 for running in Valley Forge National Historical Park during the government shutdown. http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/10/07/runner-fined-100-at-valley-forge-amid-shutdown/

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 3:09 pm

    From the letter..."I am writing this letter because you keep saying that your constituents don’t want obamacare." Let me speak for myself and millions of people just like me. What I DON'T want is a federal government which has lost all contact with the reality of its existence. A federal government which has determined itself to be the all mighty overseers of every aspect of our lives. A federal government that believes this country belongs to them and not the citizens. A federal government that has determined what you will own and what you won't. A federal government that has lost all pretense of serving the citizens. A federal government that no longer defends the rights of the citizens and protects the taxpayers. A federal government that uses the power of authority to intimidate free people to conform to some leftists ideology. A federal government that serves the derelict sloth of this country and not the people who make the economy productive. A federal government that has grown unsustainable in the best of times. A federal government that punishes success and rewards failure. A federal government that is actively creating government dependence in order to further its own expansion. A federal government who tells us people are too stupid to get an ID to vote with but they can somehow figure out how to sign up for healthcare.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 3:31 pm

    Cookie, here's a curious one - LINK - Eight Members of Congress Arrested During D.C. Immigration Rally ". . . The representatives, Rep. Keith Ellis (D-MN), Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-NY), Rep. Al Green (D-TX), Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), Rep. Jan Schawkowsky (D-IL) and Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), were then arrested by U.S. Capitol Police, spokeswoman Kimberly Schneider confirmed to TheBlaze. . . .

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 3:41 pm

    cookie noname, I don't care about your lack of acceptance or what you have to say. Evelyn,http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/15/despite-dramatic-deficit-reduction-fox-amp-frie/194082 http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44552 The federal government ran a budget deficit of roughly $750 billion for the first 11 months of fiscal year 2013, CBO estimates—a reduction of more than $400 billion from the shortfall recorded for the same period last year. Revenues have risen significantly, accounting for more than two-thirds of the decline in the deficit. The deficit for all of fiscal year 2013 is expected to be smaller than the 11-month figure, as revenues are likely to outpace outlays in September. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44576-FedBudPresentation.pdf The Federal Budget: The Deficit is Down But the Fundamental Challenge Remains ....Presentation to the Macroeconomic Advisers’ Washington September 12, 2013 The federal budget deficit has fallen faster than we expected. However, relative to the size of the economy, debt remains historically high and is on an upward trajectory in the second half of the coming decade. The fundamental federal budgetary challenge has hardly been addressed: The largest federal programs are becoming much more expensive because of the retirement of the baby boomers and the rising costs of health care, so we need to cut back on those programs or increase tax revenue to pay for them. THERE IS MUCH WORK TO BE DONE

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 3:48 pm

    Phil, it says they sat in the middle of Independence Ave and blocked rush hour traffic. "But officer, my brakes failed". They see the potential of all those illegal getting on the government dole and voting.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 3:49 pm

    "It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government." -- Thomas Paine

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  • Vitamin POctober 08, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    Outed by Vern. How very embarrassing. I might as well come clean and admit that all of us conservative commenters work in a secret 17-story underground Republican bunker in Diamond Springs. When our orbiting satellites detect pro-Obamacare letters printed in the Mountain Democrat, dog whistles sound red alert and we immediately retreat to our spacious mahogany offices and begin composing rebuttals. Here’s one. The same CBO report that Vern cited earlier (actually, he didn’t cite the report, he cited a liberal pundit’s comments about the report) says that thanks in part to Obamacare, federal spending on healthcare will cause our national debt to each record high levels in the longer run. You can read the report here: http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44521.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 9:19 am

    Vitamin P, how could you verify our secret. Thank heavens you did not let it slip that we aren't all Republicans. Poor Vern would be unable to cope.

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Phil, from your link. "The demonstration took place on the “legally closed” National Mall, but was allowed by the National Parks Service because it was considered a rally guarded by the First Amendment." So let me get this straight, the illegals/non-citizens get to have a rally as a first Amendment right but for those who fought and sacrificed to protect and preserve that right, the place is off limits? I realize leftism is a mental disease but to not see the blatant, pathological discrepancy in these two instances defies reason and logic.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 4:00 pm

    OK . . . now I need some comfort food, Cookie. This is insane!!!

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 4:17 pm

    Vitamin P, do you have notarized written permission from On High to reveal our secret bunker? Thankfully you didn't reveal the algorithms we use in conjunction with our secret decoder rings to instigate and promote the coordinated undermining of dear leader and his otherwise miraculous arrival on the national stage to humbly save us from the regressive concepts of freedom and liberty.

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  • Vitamin POctober 08, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    Not to worry, Cookie. I have not revealed our secret fleet of Republican mind-control SUVs that roam the streets while people are sleeping.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 08, 2013 - 4:27 pm

    Sacramento Bee reported 16,000 finalized applications, 27,305 households partially finalized and 430 Small Businesses have signed up....... There maybe glitches, but the public is hungry for access to health care.... and Obama opening a market to let people BUY it is not "Government run" .... The market is open....... let the REAL competition begin......

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 4:32 pm

    Phil, here is some comfort food. http://www.todayoutlook.com/teleportation-angel-saves-man-from-certain-death/

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  • cookie65October 08, 2013 - 4:41 pm

    Dink, did those numbers come from the same people who claimed 514,000 unique visitors was 5 million?

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    Evelyn http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/15/despite-dramatic-deficit-reduction-fox-amp-frie/194082 http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44552 The federal government ran a budget deficit of roughly $750 billion for the first 11 months of fiscal year 2013, CBO estimates—a reduction of more than $400 billion from the shortfall recorded for the same period last year. Revenues have risen significantly, accounting for more than two-thirds of the decline in the deficit. The deficit for all of fiscal year 2013 is expected to be smaller than the 11-month figure, as revenues are likely to outpace outlays in September. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44576-FedBudPresentation.pdf The Federal Budget: The Deficit is Down But the Fundamental Challenge Remains Presentation to the Macroeconomic Advisers’ Washington September 12, 2013 The federal budget deficit has fallen faster than we expected. However, relative to the size of the economy, debt remains historically high and is on an upward trajectory in the second half of the coming decade. The fundamental federal budgetary challenge has hardly been addressed: The largest federal programs are becoming much more expensive because of the retirement of the baby boomers and the rising costs of health care, so we need to cut back on those programs or increase tax revenue to pay for them. THERE IS MUCH WORK TO BE DONE

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 4:55 pm

    Evelyn mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/15/despite-dramatic-deficit-reduction-fox-amp-frie/194082 and cbo.gov/publication/44552 The federal government ran a budget deficit of roughly $750 billion for the first 11 months of fiscal year 2013, CBO estimates—a reduction of more than $400 billion from the shortfall recorded for the same period last year. Revenues have risen significantly, accounting for more than two-thirds of the decline in the deficit. The deficit for all of fiscal year 2013 is expected to be smaller than the 11-month figure, as revenues are likely to outpace outlays in September. cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44576-FedBudPresentation.pdf The Federal Budget: The Deficit is Down But the Fundamental Challenge Remains Presentation to the Macroeconomic Advisers’ Washington September 12, 2013 The federal budget deficit has fallen faster than we expected. However, relative to the size of the economy, debt remains historically high and is on an upward trajectory in the second half of the coming decade. The fundamental federal budgetary challenge has hardly been addressed: The largest federal programs are becoming much more expensive because of the retirement of the baby boomers and the rising costs of health care, so we need to cut back on those programs or increase tax revenue to pay for them. THERE IS MUCH WORK TO BE DONE

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  • Robert D NollOctober 08, 2013 - 4:56 pm

    R.J. Derrick and I are going fishing saturday morning at a privately owned lake surrounded by national forest,if i'm not at the porch by three o-clock please send help

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  • VernOctober 08, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    Vern: How very embarrassing: Cute and informative rebuttal, I’ve always wondered how you mass bloggers do it, now that I know how I still don’t know why a group of adults would even consider supporting those who have embarrassed our nation in front of the entire rest of the world because they don’t like the elected president and can’t have their way on Affordable Health Care issue.

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  • R.J. CarterOctober 08, 2013 - 6:20 pm

    Hey Bob...You forget, I'm still driving around in that light green forest service truck that I bought from that Federal auction a couple years ago....If I go creeping around in the woods in that truck during the government shutdown, I'll get shot for sure....Your on your own...LOL.

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Vern, they are sore losers and a bit delusional which can be a powerful force. Have you ever tried having a conversation with a true narcissist? They are always right and it is always someone else's fault. Tea Party also sabotaging what is left of the Republican Party. Also not patriotic and unfortunate for our country.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 6:28 pm

    Patrice, I liked you better when you were talking dirty. Come on, toots! Crank it up a notch

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Very cute, Mr. Veerkamp. I don't talk dirty, but understand the point of the flavor of your post. "Toots"? This matches my impression of an extreme conservative man....behind the times a wee bit, don't you think? Is that dirty enough? Please try to pardon all my questions, but really fascinating.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 08, 2013 - 6:46 pm

    A smidgeon of humor is better than no humor. . . . "wee" . . . possibilities . . .

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  • PatriceOctober 08, 2013 - 6:53 pm

    Oh my, I am going to have to agree with you, Mr. Veerkamp!

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  • Robert D NollOctober 08, 2013 - 10:00 pm

    you're right R.J. i did forget about that.I would still rather have you come to my aid than some other entity

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 5:48 am

    Our system of government is not established around a king, a monarch, an emperor or a dictator. The framers of the Constitution established 3 co-equal branches of government. Within the legislative branch of government is the House of Representatives. They are indisputably in charge of the money. There are no two ways about it. In the case of our current quagmire, the house passed legislation to fund the government and not fund obamacare, all you sore losers need to understand it is within their authority to do so. The dirt-bag harry reid and has rejected the house passed bill and chosen to shut down government. obama has said even if the Senate passed the house bill he would veto it. Making the left the party of NO. In 2010 the PEOPLE overwhelmingly regected obamacare and handed the left record losses as a result, giving the repubs control of the house. You can whine, snivel, name call, gripe, moan groan and have your tantrums but the founders were smart enough to figure out a way to protect the people from the over reach of government. You will get no argument from me that everyone should have access to healthcare insurance. Making that happen is the proper roll of government. Creating 10's of thousands of pages of new regulations and dictating everyone to purchase healthcare insurance is not. No one posting here lives in a house big enough to accommodate the full printed version of all the agencies, laws, restrictions, regulations and taxes the government has created against the people. The cost of all that government has become overwhelming and unsustainable. How much government is enough? Are we to become nothing more the spokes in some gigantic government wheel? What freedoms and liberties do we retain? At what point do those on the left feel satisfied that the government has fulfilled its roll to foresee every possible event in our lives and regulate it for us?

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  • VernOctober 09, 2013 - 6:46 am

    One thing the Tea baggers and Supervisor Ron Briggs seem to be missing is that the Affordable Health Care Act (ACA) and Obamacare are NOT the same. One exists.It's appeared in a bill. It was voted on. It became law. The other is a name given by right wing pundits to a fictional program. There's no actual program in existence called "Obamacare." Its supposed attributes are whatever the pundits chose to ascribe to it. It's hard to argue that "Obamacare" won't take our guns away when the very people who coined the term said it will. The ACA is a program supported by Obama and the American people, and enacted by Congress and signed into law with the President's signature. Obmacare was invented as a way of demonizing the ACA. The irony is that if the ACA works, it will have been Republicans who linked the program to Obama in perpetuity. Republicans know that if Obamacare fails, assuming it is impemented to its full extent before doing so, then it will give their party an unprecidented boost. Their biggest fear "isn't" what will happen to the nation if it fails. Should that happen, Congress will have no problem changing things. It what happens if it succeeds that scares them the most.

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  • VernOctober 09, 2013 - 5:59 am

    How very touching, Robert and RJ are bonding right here in front of us.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 6:44 am

    obama's position on the debt ceiling in 2006. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/85465-need-know-obamas-position-debt-ceiling-one-historic-graphic/

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 6:53 am

    If you could bottle petulant, childish, vindictive behavior, you would have leftism in a bottle. After the illegals trashed the national mall the park police had to pick up after them. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/85395-mexican-flag-flies-at-amnesty-rally-at-national-mall-closed-for-americans/

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  • VernOctober 09, 2013 - 7:04 am

    Just another really stupid meaningless responds from a professional bloggers who may be getting paid to disrupt the flow of information.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 7:15 am

    Vern, it isn't about the name. That is perhaps the weakest excuse the left has concocted thus far. When the federal government wrongly assumes the authority to dictate the purchase of healthcare insurance, combined with the thousand of other wrongly assumed powers any thinking person would begin to question "where does it end"? Do you have even the slightest concern for how much more power the federal government will assume in the coming years? Do you not have even a basic understanding of history? It NEVER ends well for people and citizens when restrictions and limitations on any government have no meaning. You have the right to sell your freedom for a handout, but you don't have the right to sell MY freedom for YOUR handout.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 7:36 am

    Vern, permit me to share with you a reality that is somehow got overlooked in your selective education. NO ONE owes you anything. NO ONE owes you a job. NO ONE owes you an income. NO ONE owes you healthcare. NO ONE owes you a roof over your head. NO ONE owes you a car to drive. NO ONE owes you 3 meals a day. You can believe that they do but such silliness leads to complete failure. The pervasiveness of such idealism has lead to the failure of every civilization in human history. Let us all take Vern's simplistic paradigm and run with it. Put everyone in America on the government dole and see how successful we are. It may be intoxicating to believe that you can simply vote for the life of Riley but before the government can GIVE you anything it must first TAKE it away from someone who earned it.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 8:04 am

    More bad news for the party of YES WE CAN. oblamo's approval rating is down to 37% according to the leftists house organ npr. Since he just plunked $455 million in their lap, they are going to have to answer for this mishap in their otherwise stellar unblemished record of obama-the-great fairytale reporting. The TRUTH is like a pocket of air at the bottom of a lake, nothing will keep it from eventually reaching the surface.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Cookie, also remember how Obama was sort of tickled during the campaign to have the ACA tagged as "obamacare"? It now seems that his minions are trying to draw some separation. "no such thing as "obamacare". . . . it's the ACA . . . not obamacare . . . you voted on ACA . . . not obamacare . . .

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 8:19 am

    Evelyn, if a link to media matters (hysterical laughter!!!) doesn't satisfy your curiosity on the deficit here are some facts comparing the national debt to the GDP over the last two years. Claiming the deficit is shrinking under this administration is no different than claiming unemployment is shrinking. The trick is to not count the 88 million who have given up on finding a job. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/us-adds-two-times-more-debt-economic-output-last-2-years_762311.html#

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 8:25 am

    THIS excellent 54 min. video (The True Cost of Health Care) is an eye-opener from which everyone can gain a startling amount of information -- as opposed to opinion.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 09, 2013 - 8:30 am

    "There it was, the derogatory term critics invented for President Obama’s health law, more properly known as the Affordable Care Act of 2010. Republicans long ago successfully pasted the president’s name on the program to deride it as a big-government boondoggle. But now an unlikely group has adopted the moniker: Democrats." http://tinyurl.com/ptvruuc "Even Mr. Obama has been picking up the term, reinterpreting the meaning of Obamacare. “You know what?” he told a crowd of supporters in Texas recently. “They’re right. I do care.”

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 8:31 am

    Exactly Phil, they were proud of the pResident's "signature legislation" and called it obamacare with esteem and reverence. Then October 1st came along and suddenly they can't distance him far enough from it. They passed it, found out what is in it and now it is no longer obamacare. Notice in Vern's epic fail at defending his logic how many uses of the word "if". There is a complete failure at deductive reasoning to believe the government can efficiently introduce 12,000 pages of laws, restrictions, agencies, regulations and taxes into our healthcare system and make it cheaper and more accessible. As long as they keep believing they are the smartest people in existence they will continue to be incapable of learning.

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 8:32 am

    You know what they say about making a silk purse from a sow's ear.

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Cookie: About Media Matters - In 2010 George Soros gave them $1 million.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 8:43 am

    Test iPhone comment

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 8:47 am

    Phil: The above confirms your status as an online paid iPhone shill.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 9:03 am

    Evelyn, yes media matters is soro's private propaganda outlet. No one of any measurable intellect would place value on what is offered there. As to your link on the real cost of healthcare. As I have stated before here I have multiple first hand experiences with what this doctor is discussing. Are you familiar with Medco? I have a number of friends who purchase there prescriptions thru them, they get 3 months of prescriptions delivered to their home via the postal service for less than one months co-pay at the local pharmacy. As I have said before the relationship between the cost of healthcare and the patient is non-existent. I believe without question that the leading cause in that reality is the public sector benny packages. The method of addressing what is going on in the healthcare industry today is in the opposite direction obamacare has taken us in.

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  • EvelynOctober 09, 2013 - 9:19 am

    No, I'm not familiar with Medco, and am happy to report that I'm on no prescription medications of any description, nor have I been in over a decade. "Obamacare" offers me nothing that I want.

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  • Vitamin COctober 09, 2013 - 9:26 am

    Vitamin P: Thank you for having represented us so well. That is why we made you President of our secret underground bunker group. Blow the whistle and we'll come come running.

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  • Vitamin COctober 09, 2013 - 9:28 am

    Sorry. All the excitement makes me stutter.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 9:42 am

    Excellent video Evelyn, very informative. What they do is licensed and regulated by the GOVERNMENT. Follow the money.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 11:04 am

    Six years ago (plus or minus) Rush Limbaugh was being savaged as an Obama "hater" "racist" for making the astonishingly prescient statement, "I hope he fails". . . . time . . . . bring . . . clarity . . .

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 11:14 am

    Vitamin C, did you get your bonus last pay period from MakeFunOfLeftistsForMoney Inc.?

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 11:22 am

    Phil, even the surviving brain donors on the left knew what he meant. obama stated over and over and over his intention was to fundamentally transform this country. Given the fact that this country boasts a foundation based on freedom, liberty, opportunity and prosperity and given the fact that those characteristics are under continuous assault by the left, hoping obama fails was a sentiment shared by everyone who loves this country. What would our leftists commenters share if we could only get them to honestly answer what it is they hate about this country.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 11:29 am

    There is a report that the whitehouse and IRS shared confidential tax info but it seems the whitehouse is trying to scrub it from the net. These phony scandals sure seem to keep popping up.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 11:32 am

    Cookie, the response of "why do you hate this country" was a Republican response during the Iraq war. Didn't support the war? Then why do you hate this country? The reversal of this is: Cookie you don't support Obamacare -- why do you hate this country? Please, no details about Obamacare, just answer the question of why do you hate this country?

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 11:35 am

    Drivel Longhofer. Try again.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 11:43 am

    Dee, can I call you just Dee and drop the #1? Drivel perhaps, but true. Why do Tea/Republicans hate America? See how that cuts off debate -- just a slam of why do you hate when you may not be hating at all.

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  • Vitamin COctober 09, 2013 - 11:45 am

    cookie cookie cookie yes yes yes (damn this uncontrollable stutter) my bbbonus arrrives early jjjjust to mmmmake ssssure I ccccontinue mmmmaaakkking fffun of lllleftists. Thing is, I'd do it anyway for fffffree.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 11:54 am

    James, I must disagree with your account. The first time I came across that question directed at me was on huffpo (fencepost) over my opposition to the obama agenda. They would ask me why I would vote against my own interests. And I would answer them by stating, MY interests didn't involve other peoples money. I would follow up by telling them I wasn't entitled to what other people earn. No wonder I have been kicked off that site 5 times. -Why do you hate this country- was part of the hope and change campaign.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 12:00 pm

    Cookie, that may have been your exposure to it, but many many times when I expressed my disagreement with the Iraq war back in 2003/2004, I was told "Why do you hate America?" Well, I didn't hate America, I hated a war for oil (I think China has gotten the oil, so we couldn't even get that right).

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    James, actions speak louder than words. obama shut down the national mall to those who have demonstrated their love of this country thru their actions. Then he turned around and opened it up for those who revile this country for all the typical leftists (add pejorative here) insinuations.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    Cookie, the president didn't shut down the government, the Congress did by not passing a CR. But, that's not what we are discussing. We are discussing the use of "Why do you hate America." A nice cut off of discussion throwing the ball into the other side of the court when one runs out of discussion points.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 12:18 pm

    Oh, it's good to be back.

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    My point is valid James. Who hates this country, the WWII vets or La Rasa? And which group does obama and the left side with?

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 09, 2013 - 12:20 pm

    James, are you still unable to access - LINK - profile page - check your profile information

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    Cookie, neither group hates America. Phil, I couldn't get to the profile page???

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  • cookie65October 09, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    James, when you drift into delusion to defend voting for an anarchist twice you make credibility an expendable asset. If you have just discovered obama hates this country it would be easier and less costly for you to just deal with it. It is like discovering the Easter bunny isn't real.

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  • James E.October 09, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    Lunch, be back later -- I hope.

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  • Dee#1October 09, 2013 - 1:12 pm

    As I said drivel, and frankly beneath you. Yes, you may call me Dee. The #1 was adopted because there were multiple Dees commenting. Or you can call me NeverLies. I still like that one.

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  • Theresa La VoieOctober 16, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    I agree with Pat Snelling. I have been emailing Congressman McClintock that I support the Affordable Care Act, and have repeatedly asked him to vote to reopen government. I do not believe that my messages are being heard either. I am a resident of El Dorado County. I voted for Congressman McClintock when he was first elected as our representative in District 4. Now I regret that vote.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 7:33 pm

    Breaking news, the deal passed the House so the government will open and the debt ceiling is raised.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 7:38 pm

    Unless you are a $$ contributing Tea/Republican, there is no need to call or write Tom McClintock, just as was the case with John Doolittle. If you are really lucky, you will get a form letter sent by a junior staffer. And usually a form letter that has nothing to do with your inquiry.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 16, 2013 - 7:47 pm

    James, do you ever join in on McClintock's reach-out constituent conference phone calls? You should. Give him an earful.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    Phil, it would be like talking to my stove.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 16, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    But he does reach out, James! . . . to the pinkest liberal in town . . . except perhaps John . . . He calls you and you are the one not talking . . . just like obozo . . . you won't talk to a conservative Congressman who reaches out to You seeking your input . . . JAMES!

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 8:33 pm

    Phil said there would be no default, so we owe him our gratitude and respect.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 8:36 pm

    From the events since October 1st, the Republican Party comes out of this with a black eye and the Tea Party comes out of this with two black eyes and severe rib bruises.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    Phil, yes, he reaches out but my comments would fall on deaf ears. So, is he really reaching out? Or just making a faux PR effort? You have to remember who we are dealing with -- Tom McClintock, the leader of the local Tea Party Taliban. I am not going to play the fool with him.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 16, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    You could ask him under what circumstances he would give "county of origin water" to the Delta, Westlands, or SoCal. Or does he honor senior water rights?

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 8:40 pm

    R.J., email answered.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 8:42 pm

    Phil, and how did he get my phone number? It's unlisted. Has Tom been using the NSA phone number list?

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    Rep. McClintock, I see Longhofer is calling you schoolyard names and accusing you have having principles. Oh the horror of it all. Too bad the leftist in this country can't also the danger of printing money with no value and unlimited debt. The leftist ignore history for power . So again, Rep. McClintock thank you for the good fight and keep fughting.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 16, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    Dee, what do you make of James' refusal to talk to Tom when Tom Calls James at home and invites a conversation. Tom calls the pinkest of pink liberals and invites conversation and is rebuffed. Dee isn't that just volumes and volumes of insight?

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  • EvelynOctober 17, 2013 - 5:15 am

    I can confirm that McClintock calls the "pinkest of liberals"!!!

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 9:01 pm

    Fughting should be fighting

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Phil, I consider it cowardice because Longhofer is concerned he would have to face the error of his convictions and admit that the leftist are outside the Constitution and taking all freedom and prosperity from the populace. But I am sure that McClintock just wants to tell him how happy he is that Mr. Fred is doing well and hopes Longhofer's next trip to the Home Depot is profitable.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    Gosh Dee, were that only true -- Mr. Fred's health and a happy visit to Home Depot. Somehow I believe Tom McClintock has other things on his mind.

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 9:26 pm

    Longhofer, if that is true, then you should speak to him to be sure. I am sure he will not call you a terrorist that needs to be destroyed as an enemy of the state as our President and useful servants call Tea Party participants. You should talk to him and report back.

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 9:38 pm

    Phil, I see Longhofer is still calling names just like a schoolyard bully. It is difficult to talk to bullies they are so limited.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 16, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    He's afraid to retreat. If he does it's scorched earth. (sinister laugh)

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    Phil, I will not talk to Tea Party extortionists. It does no good.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:27 pm

    Dee, in 1971, President Nixon began printing fiat money. Don't blame that on Democrats.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Dee, don't expect me to report back. It's not going to happen.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:29 pm

    Actually, that's funny -- me talking to Tom McClintock.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    Cookie and Dee always try to take me down the garden path. No, ladies, I will not skip around Home Depot and quack like a duck.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:34 pm

    I don't think Tom McClintock is looking to speak with anyone tonight. Bet he is home staring at the wall thinking about his victory over President Obama.

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 9:48 pm

    Phil, I do believe you like to stir the pot. I bet Evelyn had her hands full with you as the baby brother.

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  • Phil VeerkampOctober 16, 2013 - 10:13 pm

    Correction, Dee - use the present tense of the verb to have.

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  • EvelynOctober 17, 2013 - 5:18 am

    . . . future perfect, as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 9:54 pm

    Tom McClintock wouldn't want to speak to a liberal bully so the subject is closed. So sad.

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  • Dee#1October 16, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    Phil, he set the rules.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 10:34 pm

    Just went over and checked Rush's site -- he is not happy.

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  • James E.October 16, 2013 - 10:48 pm

    Tomorrow. It's time to rest my head on my pillow.

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