Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Opposed to roundabout

EDITOR: Readers of this paper will know that Mr. Longhofer, Mr. Garon and I can hardly agree on the time of day. Me being conservative and them on the left wing, we almost never see eye to eye on anything.

That’s what makes the issue of the Cedar Ravine Roundabout so unusual. Mr. Longhofer, Mr. Garon and I find outselves in total agreement that this roundabout is one of the most idiotic, boneheaded and unpopular ideas to ever come from the Placerville City Council.

I see in Mr. Longhofer’s letter a reference to a vote on the roundabout that I as well as Mr. Longhofer never heard about. If so it will probably mean another lawsuit to stop this monstrosity that the city will have to waste money defending. It seems that there is a small clique in the city that took the massive rejection of the proposed roundabout by the people of Placerville personally.

The city is acting like a child in a pout after someone takes his toy away. They seem determined to build this albatross in spite of the whole city hating it. I use that intersection every day. It would be great if all the intersections in the city had traffic flowing through them as efficiently as the Cedar Ravine-Main Street intersection does. I rarely wait more than a few seconds. One of the most lame reasons the city fathers have come up with to build this disaster is that they can get grant money to do it. That’s a reason?

If I got you a grant to cut your arm off would you do that too? Like I said earlier to get me, Mr. Longhofer, and Mr. Garon on the same side you have to come up with one of the most incredibly stupid ideas to ever come down the pike. To the City Council: Please do the people of Placerville a favor and properly file the plans for this roundabout in the dumpster out back where they belong.

GEORGE ALGER

Placerville

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  • James E.July 01, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    Garon, Alger, and Longhofer -- buddies in opposition to the roundabout. Believe it.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 01, 2013 - 8:48 pm

    But, James, roundabouts are so . . . uh . . . Continental. I need to hear directly from John.

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  • Lady MacbethJuly 01, 2013 - 9:23 pm

    Lady Macbeth also says "No to Roundabout."

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  • James E.July 01, 2013 - 10:20 pm

    But, Phil, you've heard from two of us?

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  • Lady MacbethJuly 02, 2013 - 7:02 am

    George Alger: Wonderful line! -- "If I got you a grant to cut your arm off would you do that too?" As for the last lawsuit, the City reports it set them back a cool $192,137. You can count me in on that opposition, making it Alger, Garon, Longhofer and Evelyn. I, too, never wait at the existing intersection, nor have I ever spoken to anyone with a negative word to say about it. It already sort of acts as a "roundabout', only a very well disciplined one where drivers exercise maximum courtesy and efficiency. We really want to spend a couple million $$$s to replace something that actually WORKS????

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  • EvelynJuly 02, 2013 - 7:05 am

    Oh, golly heck and all that. I forgot to change my screen name -- above. Please don't tell anyone Lady Macbeth was just a figment of Shakespeare's imagination!

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  • EvelynJuly 02, 2013 - 7:06 am

    Actually, Alger, Garon, Longhofer & Lady Macbeth sounds much more impressive.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 02, 2013 - 7:34 am

    Alger, Garon, Longhofer, Macbeth . . . . Where's the clown car? I'll ride too if Garon wears the red bulbous squeaky-toy nose.

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  • James E.July 02, 2013 - 10:23 am

    Phil, if you ride too I'll wear the floppy shoes.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 02, 2013 - 10:39 am

    Show me Garon's contract agreeing to the red bulbous squeaky-toy nose, Colonel. I'll go in drag with my best depiction of Carol Patton.

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  • James E.July 02, 2013 - 10:40 am

    Phil, reference Carol Patton -- play nice and get along with others.

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  • James E.July 02, 2013 - 10:46 am

    Sorry, thought Carol Patton was someone else. Please delete, but I still want Phil to play nice and get along with others -- Phil, no biting, no spitting, and no kicking.

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  • James E.July 02, 2013 - 10:47 am

    OK, have to go out and about. Be back later.

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  • Fran DuchampJuly 02, 2013 - 11:50 am

    hello?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 8:45 am

    Hello, Fran! You are coming through loud and clear.

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 6:51 am

    Too many politicians get their identity by spending money. This plan is utterly self-serving to those who are lacking a sense of accomplishment. If it is grant money paying for it "Made in China" needs to be painted all over it.

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Evelyn/Lady Macbeth, this will make you want to pull your hair out, if you haven't already seen it. obamacare is going to be so destructive to the economy and the healthcare system that this out of control banana republic administration is illegally postponing the implementation of a major provision until after the 2014 election so the dims running for re-election won't be subject to the public backlash it is going to cause. It is a SCREAMING example of how dependent the leftists in public office are on an uninformed electorate. And they know it. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/02/White-House-Illegally-Delays-Employer-Mandate-to-Avoid-2014-Election-Disaster-and-Grow-Government-Run-Exchanges

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  • EvelynJuly 03, 2013 - 8:21 am

    Cookie: Your "Made in China" remark is not beyond the pale as far as a replacement Clay St. bridge is concerned. Two years installing a pre-cast bridge was definitely considered by the City. I don't know where such things come from, but somewhere in my memory "China" floats around. This would be a simple matter for the City to confirm or deny.

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  • EvelynJuly 03, 2013 - 8:31 am

    Cookie: Were it not for excessively good genes in hair dept -- thanks, Mom! -- I would have no hair at all left. The very fact of govt pay for school children to peddle this Obamanation tells us a great deal about the Unaffordable Health Care Act. But yesterday Phil noted that implementation has been postponed to 2105, giving us 92 years grace. Merciful Father!

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  • EvelynJuly 03, 2013 - 8:34 am

    P.S. As for the nonsense about more Americans having health care, a friend's son has just been dropped by his health insurer, the explicitly stated reason being the introduction of "Obamacare".

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  • EvelynJuly 03, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Oh, dear. The day is young, and already my proofreading has gone the way of all good things. See comment at 8:21am: To read - "Two years AGO installing a pre-cast bridge . . . "

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 8:51 am

    obama's rare bird Cuisinart's are made in China. http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2009-10/huge-texas-wind-turbines-will-be-made-china

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 9:01 am

    "There hasn’t been a sighting of a White-throated Needletail in the United Kingdom for 22 years, so nearly 80 birdwatchers flocked to Scotland this week to get a look, the Telegraph reported. But instead of enjoying the world’s fastest flying bird soaring, they watched it fly into the small blade of a wind turbine and die. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2Xzk1NHYS

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 9:08 am

    When Dystopia arrives and we revert to a hunter-gatherer society I'll be pitching my tent neath a wind turbine . . . preferable in a spot with wild sage and a babbling brook. Hopefully endangered species are tender.

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  • James E.July 03, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Reference bird flying into the blades. My greatest fear as a helicopter pilot was flying into power lines. Never happened, except in a couple of nightmares.

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  • James E.July 03, 2013 - 11:47 am

    Boy, I sure know how to stop all comments.

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  • R J CarterJuly 03, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    The Egyptian military just told Obama's buddy President Morsi in no uncertain terms he's is no longer President and to pack his bags and get the Hell out, ....And he did!!!...Does that give any US generals any ideas??.....HINT...HINT......

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    You're a mind reader, R J.

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  • James E.July 03, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    R.J., glad to see Morsi gone. Should have been a year ago. Now, as to suggesting US generals violently overthrow the government of the United States, it is not well advised given the NSA is reading our comments. So, best report to the nearest U.S. Attorney for questioning. Better to turn yourself in rather than them coming to get you. Could get nasty. Phil, your comment indicates you may be a co-conspirator. Better go with R.J. to the U.S. Attorney. Good luck to both of you.

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  • James E.July 03, 2013 - 12:48 pm

    Governments are usually overthrown only by the military. In the U.S., unthinkable (at least to me). OK, R.J., and Phil, I forgive you (yes, I have that power in Placerville) for thinking Tea/Republican.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 1:09 pm

    Colonel, under rendition I promise not to say "Longhofer" . . . unless it really REALLY hurts

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  • R J CarterJuly 03, 2013 - 1:46 pm

    James....I'd have to turn myself in because from what I've seen our U.S. Attorney General couldn't catch a peanut in his mouth....

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  • R J CarterJuly 03, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    Obama voters celebrating Independence Day is like Atheists celebrating Christmas...Lets just say, Happy Dependence Day...

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    LOL!! RJ. nagcy pelosi says we should celebrate healthcare independence. I guess she must mean that all those who have great coverage thru their employers will be independent of it this time next year.

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 4:09 pm

    obama and the beast were on the wrong side of history with respect to Egypt. They have issued 300 arrest warrants for obama's brothers. Looks like the Arab spring has sprung. This is the way the obama regime was spinning it back in Sept. 2012. The beast was promising $1billion in debt relief for the "pro-democracy" uprising. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/us-egypt-usa-idUSBRE88M04520120925

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  • James E.July 03, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    R.J., no, no, I meant the U.S. Attorney in Sacramento.

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  • James E.July 03, 2013 - 4:54 pm

    Phil, don't endure any torture for me, just rat me out as soon as they give you a dirty look.

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  • FranJuly 03, 2013 - 5:02 pm

    NO to the round about (pat from MD--you are my hero)

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  • R J CarterJuly 03, 2013 - 6:13 pm

    James..Just F.Y.I...My Great-great-great-grandaddy Edward Carter bought 36 acres of Pennsylvania farm land from a man named William Penn in 1681....In 1682 my family sailed with Mr. Penn from England to America and settled that land...Almost 100 years after my family settled here there was great war and after that we would become the United States of America...My point is....Did Carters die as revolutionaries in that war?...Yes....Did Carters die in the Civil War wearing gray?..Yes ...Have Carter's always been considered outlaws and revolutionaries...Yes...Once, I even had a past punk-a** El-Dorado Co. Sheriff call me the Al Capone of El-Dorado Co...Do I care??..NO.... In the immortal words of Hank Williams Jr. ..IT"S JUST A FAMILY TRADITION....HAPPY 4TH OF JULY TO EVERYONE!!!!!

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 6:27 pm

    R J you've probably seen this before but happy 4th - excerpt: "Thomas Nelson, signer of Virginia, was at the front in command of the Virginia military forces. With British General Charles Cornwallis in Yorktown, fire from 70 heavy American guns began to destroy Yorktown piece by piece. Lord Cornwallis and his staff moved their headquarters into Nelson's palatial home. While American cannonballs were making a shambles of the town, the house of Governor Nelson remained untouched. Nelson turned in rage to the American gunners and asked, "Why do you spare my home?" They replied, "Sir, out of respect to you." Nelson cried, "Give me the cannon!" and fired on his magnificent home himself, smashing it to bits. But Nelson's sacrifice was not quite over. He had raised $2 million for the Revolutionary cause by pledging his own estates. When the loans came due, a newer peacetime Congress refused to honor them, and Nelson's property was forfeited. He was never reimbursed. He died, impoverished, a few years later at the age of 50. Lives, fortunes, honor Of those 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence, nine died of wounds or hardships during the war. Five were captured and imprisoned, in each case with brutal treatment. Several lost wives, sons or entire families. One lost his 13 children. Two wives were brutally treated. All were at one time or another the victims of manhunts and driven from their homes. Twelve signers had their homes completely burned. Seventeen lost everything they owned. Yet not one defected or went back on his pledged word. Their honor, and the nation they sacrificed so much to create, is still intact. And, finally, there is the New Jersey signer, Abraham Clark. He gave two sons to the officer corps in the Revolutionary Army. They were captured and sent to the infamous British prison hulk afloat in New York harbor known as the hell ship "Jersey," where 11,000 American captives were to die. The younger Clarks were treated with a special brutality because of their father. One was put in solitary and given no food. With the end almost in sight, with the war almost won, no one could have blamed Abraham Clark for acceding to the British request when they offered him his sons' lives if he would recant and come out for the King and parliament. The utter despair in this man's heart, the anguish in his very soul, must reach out to each one of us down through 200 years with his answer: "No." The 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence proved by their every deed that they made no idle boast when they composed the most magnificent curtain line in history. "And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." " http://www.baxtercountyrepublicans.com/founding_fathers.html Thank you Rush's Dad

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 6:27 pm

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 6:57 pm

    And to think 53% of the country would trade it for a handout.

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  • Please focusJuly 03, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    I thought the topic was the roundabout. You guys really know how to hijack a thread. Geeeez. How rude. Don't you have a friggin phone? I guess it just makes you guys feel big seeing your little words in print.

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  • FranJuly 03, 2013 - 7:26 pm

    Please focus...have you ever thought...maybe... they are keeping the article alive? This wall terminates...by posting on a particular article--it keeps it alive...if you dont like a comment--dont read it. Phil doesnt like us to be mean spirited...not sure why...try thinking outside of your box next time...little words...pfft.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 7:31 pm

    Exactly, Fran . . . BTTT . . .(bump to the top)

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 03, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    Mr/s Focus -- good point. The regular posters appear more interested in their "clique" than actual issues.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 8:04 pm

    Kirk, I've seen your clique club card. tsk tsk

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  • R J CarterJuly 03, 2013 - 7:53 pm

    Thank you Phil...

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  • FranJuly 03, 2013 - 8:08 pm

    Kirk I feel strongly for the people who have to keep fighting for "no" round about...they said "no"--went to court--the court said "no"---and they are back having to do the whole thing over again. So if "Please focus" wants a solution...sign the petitions...write letters...go to court...and hopefully the city will start to realize how expensive it is to keep losing...so I care. It is the city of Placerville that doesnt...be careful with grants. READ. also...shhhhhh some of these bloggers did the research on it...so they know round abouts.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 03, 2013 - 8:14 pm

    Phil -- p!ss off. You're a smart guy, but you waste it on nonsense. Fran -- the only thing that really motivates politicians is votes. Where is the candidate that has emerged that is dedicated to implementing the will of constituents?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    Heavens!

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  • FranJuly 03, 2013 - 8:18 pm

    Kirk--I admit to being really being taken in by people--I just like them...I will always vote--if it still is part of our culture...the community is so small--it is harder this time...because I have met people at events--although some are showing their true colors...

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  • FranJuly 03, 2013 - 8:19 pm

    Even if someone doesnt post anything...they are repeating the title...Opposed to roundabout

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 8:31 pm

    Focus, if you have something to say about the round and round and roundabout no one is stopping you. All comments are welcome. Like I said before, the roundabout is but a microcosm of what is wrong in this country. THE PEOPLE are being ruled over by a bunch of people who are not interested in what you or I think. nagcy piglosi knows nothing about healthcare yet she passed a bill no one wanted which takes over 1/6 of the American economy and puts you healthcare in the hands of bureaucrats.

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    Correction: does botox classify as healthcare?

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  • cookie65July 03, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    Phil, you waste nothing on nonsense. Who wants a life without humor? The world doesn't need anymore garon's. Laughter and humor are a lot healthier than the pills most of America is addicted to. I know plenty of miserable leftists, they are a product of their ideology. Speaking of off topic, walmart is no longer going to sell any of Paula Deen's products. But their shelves are still full of offensive rap and hip-hop.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 03, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    Cookie -- You claim to hate those leftists feeding at the public trough and sucking the life out of taxpayers with their pensions. Phil is the poster child for the public employee pensioner. But since he agrees with you he gets a free ride? Cogent-not.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    Kirk, thank you for elevating me to the rather heady position of "PERS poster child". But I'm curious. What criterion are considered before awarding such honors, Kirk?

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 03, 2013 - 9:23 pm

    Phil -- I repeat, p!ss off.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 9:29 pm

    Well make up your mind, Kirk. You award me high honor, Kirk. Then you become cranky and out-of-sorts when I enquire as to the basis of such good fortune. Others may wish to know the requirements of succession when I surrender my crown.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 03, 2013 - 9:40 pm

    Phil -- I'll be grabbing coffee at the coffee shop next to the Diamond Springs fire house at 9am. I invite you to join me, cut the nonsense, and get real.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 03, 2013 - 9:46 pm

    Cordial invitations deserve consideration.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 03, 2013 - 9:54 pm

    Phil -- My wife just reminded me, tomorrow is 7/4...the coffee shop will be closed. I'll have to bring my own coffee...

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  • Please focusJuly 04, 2013 - 6:13 am

    No, Fran, I don't see how clown cars, helicopters, botox, healthcare, or the price of turnips in the middle of february pertains to the rounabout. "When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. -Urban Dictionary Bumping is also poor etiquette. But you are just a bunch of trolls anyway. A "troll" is a person who intentionally attempts to disrupt, cause controversy, incite an argument, and/or receive negative attention by deliberately posting provocative content. The term may also refer to the act of posting such content, or the content itself. Trolls are generally deceitful and often use ambivalence as a method of covertly insulting, intimidating, or inciting a person or persons for their own sadistic pleasure. There is an actual post on this thread that just says "hello'. Yikes!

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 7:27 am

    Focus, would you like to apply for the position of thread police? Perhaps thread director? Thread overseer? Are you a control freak or what? I bet your one of them people who colors within the lines. "Bad internet etiquette"? Are you a comedian? Someone needs to learn to relax, lighten up, chill out or as my kids would say, don't get all butt hurt. I have seen your weak attempts at hearding cats but I still haven't seen you yourself post an opinion on the roundabout. Which makes your posts OFF TOPIC.

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 7:41 am

    Kirk, I don't hate leftists, I despise leftism. I don't hate public sector retirees, they aren't the problem, the corrupt system is. I will try and make it simple for you. What do you suppose the chances are of getting the public sector to pay for the lifetime pensions and healthcare of the private sector? It is wrong any possible way you look at it. The public sector union contract system is the most corrupt money laundering scheme ever. It isn't Phil's fault, he did his time under contracts that were part of the job. Do you not agree that the public sector pension and healthcare obligations are bankrupting cities and states? Leftism is evil. It feeds off the destruction of people.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 8:03 am

    Kirk, cordial invitations still deserve consideration . . .

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 04, 2013 - 8:08 am

    Cookie -- good answer. Phil -- I'll be there.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 9:40 am

    Even in the absence of a "cordial invitation" I arrived at 8:58, had a cup of coffee, gave the nice lady my name, and departed at 9:15.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 04, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    curious...I arrived at 9am sharp; the shop was closed; I sat on the wall across from the door and played my guitar for 20 minutes. The coffee shop next to the fire station in Diamond Springs...right?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 2:17 pm

    Fire House Café – opposite Fire House – open – good enough coffee

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 04, 2013 - 8:31 pm

    "next to" vs "across from", "coffee shop" vs "cafe"...yeah, easy to misunderstand. Funny thing: sat there until 9:22 in plain view/site of the Firehouse Cafe door. The place was absolutely dead...looked closed. No cars in the lot, no one entered or exited through the front door. Very curious.

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 8:08 am

    Phil, do you suppose we should submit our comments to Focus for approval before posting?

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Focus must pass MD's forum moderating licensing board. Focus must then post under his/her real name to pass the troll test.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 04, 2013 - 8:19 am

    cookie -- I don't know about pensions bankrupting states and cities...it looks true, but only because those entities are not following a rational tax structure. However, I agree that allowing organizations to contribute to politicians that they will end up facing in negotiations is a recipe for corruption. It is as true for unions as it is for individuals and corporations.

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  • unfocusedJuly 04, 2013 - 8:21 am

    Phil, that means anyone not using real name is suspected of trollhood.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 8:31 am

    No. It means that everyone using their real name is excluded from trollhood. trolls may not moderate.

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 8:39 am

    Kirk, I am not sure what you mean by "entities following a rational tax structure". A lot of people who are well versed in financial arena describe the public sector system this way, the public sector contract system is only ever subject to 1/2 the market forces. When times are good the unions and those they negotiate with are the first at the table to garnish as much of the prosperity as they can get away with, but when times are bad those contracts are untouchable. Which means they get the lions share of the peaks and never experience any of the valleys. While the private sector picks up the tab and has to constantly adjust to economic forces. Think of it this way, the private sector taxpayer pays to support s/he and his/her family, all the welfare cases, and all the public sector including those no longer working. Keep in mind most of those private sector taxpayers paying for the lifetime pensions and healthcare for the public sector retiree's cannot afford their own retirement and thanks to obamacare will likely lose their employer provided and even private insurance. What a country......

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Back in the early 90's, '92 I believe the city of Stockton passed a law that allowed anyone employed by the city for 30 days to receive lifetime taxpayer paid for healthcare for life for themselves and their spouse. Can you imagine the revolving door of friends, relatives, neighbors, acquaintances, mistresses and poker partners the city leaders pumped thru the system without anyone knowing what they were doing? It is no less criminal than what was happening in Bell, California.

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  • Please FocusJuly 04, 2013 - 9:07 am

    Cookie, I wanted to post a relevant comment but knew it would get lost in all your hate filled unrelated postings . I was merely pointing out how polite and productive forums are run but you come back with more (yup, you guessed it) hate. And as for thread director, yes, that would be rich and you would be the first to go. And yes, I color inside the lines then I outline them in black (I always liked the way that looked). So, what are you the coloring police? And really, “chill out” and “butt hurt”? What are you, from the olden days? And yes I am a comedian but you wouldn’t know a comic if Dave Chappelle or Kevin Hart were rolling blunts in your living room. Oh, I'm sorry I mean Lenny Bruce and Bob Hope. And yes I concede, you are a genius, my post about being off topic was off topic,but you posted an off topic posting to my off topic posting, pointing out it was off topic and that makes you (as usual) a hypocrite. And Phil, real name? like, Cookie? Sorry, gotta go, I have a 4th plans and a life, have fun with your way too intimate relationship with your computer.

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  • FranJuly 04, 2013 - 9:33 am

    Focus--urban dictionary...lololol I know Facebook--all to0 well...thats how I knew what they were trying to do, and without the urban dictionary...lolololol I hope you enjoy the 4th. You can also try the Hackers dictionary--which is what gamer s may use...since they rule Facebook...http://tinyurl.com/c6jol No harm done--just pointing out the good intentions of the bloggers keeping the topic alive. Shhhhhh the real contest is not the people on Facebook...it is the ongoing competition between the hackers and the programmers (wink) they just want us to feel special and important. Urban dictionary...lolololol The kids changing the language dont use that...they are quick at finding the shortest route to say something...and there are no rules. Are you new to the net?

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Focus, you are the only one here who hasn't posted an opinion on the roundabout........ check the pole in your eye before you bother with the speck in mine.

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Focus, speaking of hypocrites, you are going to celebrate Independence day, which is a celebration of individual liberty, yet you claim that if you were in charge of these treads your first act would be to throw me off of them because you don't care for my freedom of speech or freedom of expression. Does anyone else need more explanation of why I loth leftism? Compared to you my poodle is a genius.

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  • FranJuly 04, 2013 - 9:49 am

    Focus--Facebook is about "gaming" (people pay big bucks to buy imaginary items to win the games) hackers and programmers compete against each other in the back ground...and people in back of them make tons of money. One of the biggest gaming companies on Facebook is Zynga. Zynga's new CEO to get pay package worth some $50 million--it is not about the individual person. http://tinyurl.com/oe376su but you hold tight to that Urban dictionary--thanks for the smiles...happy 4th everyone...to the American heart...cheers

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 9:53 am

    And another thing Focus, when you engage in debate it is honorable and thoughtful. When I engage in debate it is hate. You do understand that hate is the excuse leftists use when they have nothing substantial to support their beliefs.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 10:01 am

    Cookie -re "hate" I propose a corollary to the old, "The first person to call the opposition NAZI loses the debate.

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 10:36 am

    Absolutely correct Phil. In chess it is tipping over your King. I suspect Focus is a 20something fresh from the institutions of repeat after me. It is amazing to me since I have a couple of 20 somethings who I did not allow the communists indoctrination to infect that marvelous gift known as the mind. I find it interesting how they can carry on conversations with anyone on virtually any subject without becoming entitled to rule over anyone. The opposite of Focus.

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  • DB SmithJuly 04, 2013 - 10:42 am

    Focus, do you think you should call it "thread hacking" when the person that created the thread participates in an off topic comment? Did you ever hear of the 1st!

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  • James E.July 04, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    Kirk, two ships passing in the night. Wait, make that passing in the morning.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Fire House Café - opposite Fire House - open - good enough coffee

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 2:46 pm

    Phil, I have a Keurig, highly recommended. Lots of great varieties of coffee and tea. http://www.keurig.com/KCupSystem

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 2:51 pm

    Cookie, we discussed one of those single brew systems. We almost went for one. We decided that a pot-at-a-time was still for us.

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  • cookie65July 04, 2013 - 5:04 pm

    Phil, I was surprised how much I like the Keurig. If it hadn't been for using the one my brother has I would have never ever bought one. Now I love it.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    Kirk, allow me to profusely apologize for not seeing "coffee shop" signage from the hwy. Is there any? You imply that you were surveilling the coffee shop. You imply that I am dissembling. I think that we have seen the right outcome.

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  • Phil VeerkampJuly 04, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    Strike "You imply that you were surveilling the coffee shop" Substitute, "You imply that you were surveilling the Café."

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  • Kirk MacKenzieJuly 04, 2013 - 9:35 pm

    Highway 49/Pleasant Valley Road? Yeah, the signage is easy to see. Right "next" to the fire station. Surveilling? Nope, just observing my surroundings. The cafe was of interest because I was thinking we should go over there and see if it was really closed, if you showed up. Dissembling? Nope, just pointing out the differences between your story and my observations. It's a mystery. You determined the outcome, so it is no surprise you deem it "right".

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