Friday, April 18, 2014
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Preventing terrorism

EDITOR:

The following comments are my personal beliefs. The National Security Agency (NSA) metadata collection program called PRISM should be promptly stopped. Gathering all wireless telephone calls, e-mails, credit card transactions, etc. originating in the United States is a gross violation of our rights enshrined in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. Benjamin Franklin said it better than I can, and I quote: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

But, didn’t the NSA director recently testify that his agency’s widespread surveillance practices prevented over 50 terrorist attacks worldwide? Further analysis by journalists, one being Peter Bergen as reported on CNN, showed that of the 42 plots on U.S. soil, nine involved attacks that failed — not identified and stopped, just failed — 29 other plots were uncovered by traditional law enforcement methods and of the remaining four plots some perhaps were foiled by NSA procedures. I am not certain as these four plots are not specifically identified.

Did NSA’s PRISM procedures uncover Major Hasan and stop his massacre of military men and women at Fort Hood? No. He even had printed on his business card, “Soldier of Allah.” More recently, did NSA’s PRISM identify the Tsarnaev brothers (Boston bombers) as terrorists from Chechen who even advertised their jihadist intention on YouTube and at the mosque in Boston which they attended? No.

Our intelligence agencies, nay, our federal government — Executive as well as Legislative branches — should focus their policies and procedures on finding out what the terrorists are doing and planning and not on gathering trillions of pieces of data generated by Americans. Terrorists are at war with us even though our president seldom admits this fact.

These terrorists are not grandmothers in wheel chairs or young children wanting to board an airplane who are molested by TSA agents. Who are these terrorists? Are they not the men who have been killing Americans since our embassy in Iran was taken over in 1979? The same groups of terrorists who bombed the Twin Towers in New York in 1993, tried to sink the U.S. Cole, attacked us again on our soil on 9/11, and murdered four Americans in Benghazi last year? Haven’t all these attacks on American men and women been perpetrated by Muslims identified as Islamists or sometimes called Jihadists?

I strongly believe the federal government’s surveillance procedures should be directed at these terrorists as they are committing war crimes against us. But, we cannot profile. I say, why not? I cannot name any successful war or police/sheriff department where the leaders did not profile. General MacArthur, in the Korean War, did not use intelligence assets to monitor communications in Australia and New Zealand. He used these assets to monitor North Korea and China. No police officer looking for a man with white skin, about 6 feet tall and in his 20s will monitor a black neighborhood to look for a grandfather-type gentleman.

So why shouldn’t the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. use most of their resources to monitor the Muslim communities? I say this fully realizing that many Muslims are peace-loving. But, existing facts show us that some mosques in this country market jihad. We also know that the Koran tells its adherents to practice jihad against infidels.

This may be difficult as the FBI negotiated a settlement with CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) in October 2011 to preclude any surveillance of mosques. Why? I do not know. But, I do know that this agreement does not prohibit the FBI or any other federal agency from performing surveillance activities with Christian churches or Jewish temples or tea party groups. See the IRS.

We have a sticky situation now existing in our country. We are not doing what is needed to identify and deter the terrorists from causing further harm to our country and to Americans worldwide. Changes are needed. I’ve attempted to show why and briefly mention some changes which I believe will be effective.

EDWARD T. BERNHOFT
Cameron Park

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  • MorrisJuly 30, 2013 - 4:30 pm

    Compelling letter. Well stated and fact based arguments. I agree without of your statements Mr. Bernhoft. We do, however, differ on a few points but believe we want the same end result: The end of terrorism. Peace. Freedom. Liberty. But only in America and only for Americans; correct? Prequalifed, of course, to cover Christian and Jew. But as of which date and selected nationality of origin is our cutoff? The 1940's seem too recent but effectively weeded out the Japanese with the whole internment efficiencies. But the Germans are OK because they look more like us and have beer. Yet killed more Americans. Now we could let this stickiness slide and go back to say 1900 for our cutoff but then what on Earth will we say to the Sheriff? D'Agostini. Very unusual name. Gotta wonder about 'those people' that aren't English or Scottish and look like us Morris' , Smiths and Smyths. OK we like the Sheriff so he stays and we go with a good number like 1849. Oh and now we have a doozie. All those different funny little Chows and Choos and their celestial ways. Different from us real Americans. Christian Americans. But they do all our dirty work for pennies and that whole buffet thing is getting catchy so if they convert and conform can stay. What are we left with now date wise? 1776 sounds good. Not so much tho to the original occupants of America some might say. Where people different than our own with their strange ways and pale skin seemed friendly at first but then committed several hundred years of terrorist type activities and even war to overtake our land and impose their religious doctrine upon us. You see Mr. Bernhoft, the reality is that Christians - and I am one btw - have murdered far more Americans than those on the fringe of Islam. From Native Americans to Chinese to African Americans to Oklahoma City to Abortion Clinics. We alone have done a remarkable job in our own internal killings. And never ending desire to always blame someone new or different that doesn't look or act like us. I believe that kind of hypocrisy adds even more sin to that which our Christian (and even Muslim) Creator commanded us not to do. The Koran has no more and no less violence than our Christian Bible. Terrorists murder people. Mothers. Fathers. Children. They simply murder people. I care less the faith of an innocent life destroyed. Stop killing people. No qualifiers. No thinly veiled racism wrapped in patriotism or letters to the editor. And it should be noted that the Tea Party is not a religion. Well, yet unrecognized at least. Their people deserve to live free and safe too. Period. End.

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  • cookie65August 16, 2013 - 5:36 am

    Wow Morris, you freely "profile" everyone but those who slaughter anyone and everyone who does not submit to the religion of peace. Thinly veiled racism? Why are you so afraid of a definitive or declarative thought that can be supported by fact from current events worldwide? The moral equivalence you ascribe to various events is quite a stretch. There is but one single commodity radical Islam trades in and that commodity is blood. By the way, D'Agostini is Italian, so what? “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” - Golda Meir (Statement to the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., 1957)

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  • cookie65August 16, 2013 - 6:36 am

    "The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents." http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html

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  • Paddy O'furnitureAugust 16, 2013 - 7:10 am

    Methinks that our resources would be better spent focusing on preventing liberalism in the US. It's a bigger danger to our survival than terrorism.

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  • Good IdeaAugust 16, 2013 - 7:21 am

    paddy cookie morris and Good Idea are gettin togeter a 911 Librallism Investigation. Someone ask the DA to bring all the leftover rope.

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  • Dink LaneAugust 16, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Ever wonder why Snowden's High School record and work history were publicly announced within 12 hours after his name was revealed? (News media doesn't have that much info on the "Amber Alert" kidnapper DiMaggio today.)...... YET......These same "Mega-Data" MARINA, PINWALE and XKEYSCORE programs FAILED in getting a heads up about the Boston-Bombers???......(Looks like YOU and ME are the enemy -- and we need to prove our innocence by letting them see our phone/internet records 1st.) ...... The more the overseas new source "The Guardian" reveals, the more we LEARN what is really happening with actual DATA..... Today 2,778 "Incidents" in ONE program and not all violations were "incidents" and not all incidents consisted one person or one phone or one lead....

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  • MartinAugust 16, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    If you profile Muslims you are profiling our president. I am sure that he doesn’t want you looking at his phone, twitter, Face book or anything else that is private to him! But it is ok for them to dig into our closets and look at any possible dirty undies that we may be storing away. Our government is corrupt and we all know that so what they are doing is profiling us, for what? All that I can say is to use your imagination.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 7:22 pm

    Alleged that McClintock, at Thursday's Tea Party get-together in El Dorado Hills, when asked his view of Wall Street crime, said something like if there is "No gun, there is no crime." Hmm, so bankers cannot commit crimes unless they hold a gun to your head? Guess the banks are off the hook, as white collar criminals don't use guns in commission of their crimes. Anyone attend?

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  • Dee#1August 16, 2013 - 9:08 pm

    Longhover, more leftist talking points drivel. Is that the best you can do?

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  • Dee#1August 16, 2013 - 9:14 pm

    Paddy, I'll join your crusade.(O no, I have said a forbidden word. Woe is me.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Dee#1, I'd talk to you but we have broken up. Perhaps you could Google it.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    Anyone can Google "Representative McClintock's comment about Wall Street." But, I connot ask Dee#1 to do it because we've broken up. Good old Google, reporting the drivel.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    Dee#1, always a dollar short and a day late. I'm glad we broke up.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 16, 2013 - 9:32 pm

    James, your failure with Dee means that our duel at sunrise is off? - - - CS Longhopper!

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:44 pm

    Phil, yes, our duel is off. Boy, did I suck Dee#1 in -- first I comment about it and she bites with her drivel comment. Then, I sock it to her with Google's reporting of McClintock putting his foot in his mouth. So sweet.

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  • Dee#1August 16, 2013 - 9:44 pm

    Longhover, read the "Think Progress" drivel. As I said, Democrat talking points without going into the whole story.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:46 pm

    Left jab, right hook, and the finishing uppercut. So easy. Dee#1 go away, you bore me with your BS.

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  • Dee#1August 16, 2013 - 9:47 pm

    Phil Darlin', if I can help you avoid a duel at the crack of dawn, I'm most honored. Schedule it for noon or so and I'll be there.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 16, 2013 - 9:49 pm

    Noon - upon the next injury to honor - NOON!

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:51 pm

    Oh, I see the problem. It's only progressive sites that are reporting it. Well, you didn't expect to see it on Fox News or reported in the Wall Street Journal did you? Tom McClintock, our shame.

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  • Dee#1August 16, 2013 - 9:51 pm

    Longhofer, huh? What are you talking about?

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:53 pm

    Dee#1, we no longer watch the sunset together, nor do we communicate. Give it up and find a new boyfriend. Maybe Phil?

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 9:57 pm

    Had a pleasant lunch with my brother-in-law today. He is about to depart on a tour of Europe -- is 73, and has never been outside the United States.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:00 pm

    I gave him tips on things to see and do in London, Paris, and Rome. He's also going to Barcelona, but I've never been there. Told him to really watch his wallet in Rome.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:02 pm

    Oh, he's also going to Nice. I told him to take a tour of the beach and to go to the Casino.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    Well, no, he's not going alone. He's going with his wife.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 16, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    James - your brother-in-law - isn't he that "retired" rodeo clown from Missouri?

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 16, 2013 - 10:06 pm

    . . . leaving the country makes perfect sense . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 16, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    . . . some back story involving Jethro McSwift?

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    Phil, re. your last two comments. Come on, you can do better.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 16, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    Hey! It's past midnight in Missouri. I'm tired. Good night.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    Phil, actually, the clown is not retired. Some Republican House member is inviting him down to Texas for a repeat.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:12 pm

    Phil, hang in -- good night to you Sir.

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  • Dee#1August 16, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    Longhofer, there is no reason for you to respond. However, that won't stop me from me calling you on your drivel. You continuing with your sexist remarks reminds me that you don't have anything relevant to say.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 10:59 pm

    Oh, Dee#1, Dee#1, Dee#1. This is why we broke up. You failing to see the reality of the news. It's not my fault that McClintock spazzed and had to say something, anything, to defend Wall Street. Poor guy. Our carpet bagger Representative.

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  • James E.August 16, 2013 - 11:01 pm

    And, you're right, I won't respond to your next comment, as we are finished here.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 3:45 am

    Good morning from Missouri, Colonel - LINK - Breaking Up Is Hard To Do

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 4:04 am

    Dee, was it like this in the be ginning? - - - LINK - James (Hold The Ladder Steady)

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 4:09 am

    . . . in the beginning?LINK - James (Hold The Ladder Steady)

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 5:34 am

    James, I realize your one-way thinking is terminal but it wasn't Tom McClintock who proclaimed Wall street institutions "Too Big To Prosecute", it was obama's gun-running, voter intimidation supporting, henchman head of the Just-us department, eric holder. You don't seem to ever remember facts that conflict with your pre-recorded talking points James.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 6:20 am

    James, did you see where the beast had a mental eruption when a member of congress spoke of Benghazi being a terrorist attack 2 days after it happened? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395959/Hillary-Clinton-exploded-congressman-days-Benghazi-suggesting-attack-work-terrorists-says-GOP-Rep.html

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  • EvelynAugust 17, 2013 - 6:26 am

    James: Good morning. For the heck of it I googled MCCLINTOCK BANKERS GUN CRIME. This came up.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 6:32 am

    James, speaking of the beast, any thoughts on why the New York Times would chose now to expose the endless corruption that has been going on at the clinton foundation since day one? Anyone with a brain has known all along it was just a front for the clinton's and their cronies to enrich themselves and avoid paying their fair share. So why would the leftist rag NYTimes actually put it in print when their readers were more than satisfied without ever being informed about anything? Is the NYTimes setting themselves up to push chief spreading bull over the beast? What next James, will they give an honest account of what a disaster the beast was as SOS? She was the most traveled SOS ever holding true to the trademark of leftism, all for me and none for thee and quantity over quality.

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  • EvelynAugust 17, 2013 - 6:40 am

    THIS is the video (0:02:34) found in the above-posted link.

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  • EvelynAugust 17, 2013 - 6:55 am

    "Spy on Me, I’m Innocent!" - HERE

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 6:58 am

    Evelyn, that video is evidence of why term limits are way overdue. Career politicians are destroying this country. In a perfect world, no one should be elected to public office unless they served a minimum of 10 years in the private sector. And no public sector employment would be permanent. No one should ever be allowed to feed at the public trough for life. It only leads to corruption and never serves the best interests of the country.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 7:16 am

    Evelyn, in the movie The Terminator it is the computers that become "self-aware". They proceed to destroy anything that they deem a threat to themselves. What happens when it is the government that becomes "self-aware"? I cannot put a date on it but our government has become "self-aware" and is actively destroying anything that it deems to be a threat to itself. Government has become a living thing crushing and suffocating freedom and liberty. It isn't just the militarized actions against American citizens or monitoring your google searches doing it, it is the destruction of our free market economy that will make us all serfs.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 7:32 am

    James, the phony scandals being used to distract people from the real issues keeping the most transparent administration in our history awake at night seem to be getting a little traction in our always late to the party leftist media. How do you explain this? http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NSA_SURVEILLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-08-16-19-46-07

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 7:36 am

    Yo, Phil, what are you doing in MO? Cute song, never heard it before. I fell off a ladder last year -- good way to kill oneself.

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 7:38 am

    Cookie, I cannot explain McClintock or Obama. Some thing defy explanation. Add Hillary to this too.

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 7:42 am

    Cookie, I don't remember computers in the Terminator? Did you mean perhaps 2001 - A Space Odyssey?

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 7:48 am

    The story is members of congress found out about this administrations massive violation of the 4th Amendment the same way the most engaged pResident ever found out about his Administrations massive violation of the 1st Amendment with help from the IRS. They read about it in the newspaper. Are they upset because they have also been targets? “No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.” ― Samuel Adams

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 7:48 am

    Grandma and Grandpa duty . . . also celebrating our 43rd year of "bliss" . . . on the road again . . . NIKON has shot deer, moose, elk, coyote mountain goats and purple mountains majesty and fruited plains . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 7:51 am

    . . . planes? . . .

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 7:52 am

    Sam has his own beer company. He may have been drunk when he made all the statements we quote today.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 7:53 am

    James, the movie The Terminator is about the computers becoming self aware thru artificial intelligence and proceeding to exterminate all mankind in order to protect themselves. It is the perfect analogy to what our government has become.

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 7:54 am

    Planes if you are taking pics of airplanes. Plains if you are taking pics of the view.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 7:57 am

    Phil, has it been cooler in the Show-Me state? They broke a century old record cold temp in Atlanta Georgia a couple days ago. algore akbar, algore akbar, algore akbar. That is my green prayer. http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/23151205/atlanta-breaks-a-century-old-temperature-record

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 8:01 am

    Two reasons politicians will not move against the NSA. Number #1: Fear of another attack against the USA which would be blamed on them for curtailing the NSA. Number #2: Fear that the NSA would listen to all their communications and reveal the secretary affair -- wife would Terminate said Congressperson.

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 8:03 am

    Leaving for coffee, breakfast, and read the paper -- be back later.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 8:11 am

    Cookie, SW MO is 100% above normal rain - cool today - country is really green with continuous corn and beans from east of the continental divide - drought is broken - cattle slick and fat - BNSF and CP trains rolling - oil rigs drilling - grand kids happy . . . over . . .

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Phil, the church of scientology has a space alien landing center in New Mexico. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395235/EXCLUSIVE-Pictured-close-time-Scientologys-secret-alien-space-cathedral-landing-pad-New-Mexico-desert-return-followers-Armageddon-Earth.html

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 8:23 am

    Phil, nothing compares to seeing that part of the country flourish with life. There is supposed to be a record corn crop this year. Good thing we are increasing our co2 output so all that vegetation has something to eat. Did you hear about the fire yesterday in Diamond Springs/El Dorado? http://www.news10.net/news/article/254292/2/Grass-fire-destroys-home-structures-in-Diamond-Springs

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 8:50 am

    Cookie - " It is believed that it took actor Tom Cruise five years and $100,000 to reach this level.", - - - If it took 100 K for Tom then I respectfully decline your invitation, Cookie. Just out of curiosity, how much did "Operating Thetan" cost you, Cookie?

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 9:00 am

    Phil, no cost is to great. I read about Operating Thetan once while waiting in a doctors office from some woman who had escaped the cult. If I remember correctly it is a level not even disclosed to members until they are several years along and have already surrendered everything they own to the church.

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  • EvelynAugust 17, 2013 - 9:20 am

    I turn my back and you start talking about things I've never heard of. Which includes THIS. Apparently to talk about IT would result in "the complete destruction of all our work."

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Cookie, you're on to something! Obama's secret plan, fully implemented, makes us all Thetans.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 9:34 am

    LINK - I believe Dr. Richard Boylan is Thetan

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 10:42 am

    Phil, what has been the cost for the utopia of hope and change? The equivalent of becoming an Operating Thetan is staring at something until you begin to hallucinate. Which is the only possible way you could measure anything obama has done as progress.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 10:50 am

    People who are involved in psychic phenomenon claim there are those among us who are what they call shape shifters. According to them a shape shifter can take on the appearance of any living creature. They claim it is a gift a person is born with and only needs to be developed. It does not cost anything to become a shape shifter. Keep in mind these are also people who will tell you spy agencies monitor psychic book stores in order to recruit persons of psychic ability.

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  • Dink LaneAugust 17, 2013 - 10:54 am

    I believe in the psychic phenomenon where a guy can walk on water and turn water into wine.... It works for me...

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 11:00 am

    Shapeshifting. http://www.crystalinks.com/shape_shifters.html

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 11:01 am

    Dink just explained his voting for Obama.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 11:03 am

    You know what is interesting about your comment Dink? 2,000 years later you are still talking about him and 2,000 years from now they will still be talking about him.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 11:30 am

    Related to staring at something until you begin to hallucinate or being able to describe any of obama's achievements as progress is "Semantic Satiation". It is the repeating of a word over and over again until it becomes idiotic and meaningless. Kinda like the lefts use of racism and hate.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 17, 2013 - 11:54 am

    Cookie -- the interesting about your (11:03am) comment is that he was not talked about for the billions of years before ~2050 years ago. You may be right about the next 2000 years, but based on the evolution of religion, technology, science, and discovery over the last 2000 years, and imagining what might unfold over the next 2000 years, I wouldn't bet on it.

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  • fruitcakeAugust 17, 2013 - 12:07 pm

    dink, after a night spent walking on wine voices told me it was all in my head.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 12:34 pm

    Kirk notes, "he was not talked about for the billions of years before ~2050 years ago". My understanding is that when the student is ready a Master will appear.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 17, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    Phil -- an apropos proverb, probably originating in Theosophy.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    Kirk, a words more apropos for Kirk - "epiphany", "placebo effect", "pure chance", "coincidence" . . .

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 2:11 pm

    . . . a few words . . .

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  • Zeke SlateAugust 17, 2013 - 2:31 pm

    Phil, I don't know you but it certainly must be wonderful to be you. With a single swing of the blade (your tongue) you vanquish your enemies and then, without thought, espouse allegiance to the most corrupt band of self-serving cretans outside of Bell, Calif. I think what you think is wit, is actually more akin to air-filled, defensive bravado. Poor Richard, he is just a guy with a hobby and you think him food for your mocking mill. You seem perfectly at ease expressing your sometimes sideways opinions, yet ridicule him for stepping up and drawing attention to the old bastion of courrputness, this county's govenrment. If you can, name one current county supervisor who has not either been accused of self-dealing, conflict of interest, or stupidity. You seemed determined to protect the curtain and chastise any who would wish to look behind it to see who is pulling the strings. So, sir, please follow the Yellow Brick Road and do stay away from the Rabbit Hole, Heaven forbit that you should wake up and see that you are not in Kansas anymore. I don't know where Boylan thinks he is from, but the Constitution of the United States gives him the opportunity, nay the RIGHT to speak his mind, and I think his sports a PhD.Your's only ridicules those who do not walk on your path....and as narrow as it is, who could? Of couse he gave up his win and we are not embarresed, we are disappointed. With tongues such as yours spouting all forms of prejudice, this system is not free, it is controlled by the loudest voice, often with the most closed mind.

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Not wanting to detract from the spotlight on Phil, but I've just had the most wonderful idea. Rename Placerville to Reaganville. Or, on the county level, Reagan County. I'd also suggest McClintockville/McClintock County, but that is just going too far.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 2:53 pm

    Zeke Slate invites, " . . . name one current county supervisor who has not either been accused of self-dealing, conflict of interest, or stupidity." I cannot. Nor can I name ANY public servant, elected, appointed or volunteer exempt from your criterion. All are accused by some.

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  • James E.August 17, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    The thought about renaming came to mind because of Representative Issa's wanting to rename the Pacific Ocean the Reagan Ocean. When will the madness stop?

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 3:29 pm

    Zeke - " Poor Richard, he is just a guy with a hobby . . . " Prior to "Jonestown" many tolerant, open-minded, progressive sorts may have dismissively characterized People's Temple simply as Jim Jones' "hobby".

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  • PSLAugust 17, 2013 - 3:43 pm

    OJ Simpson played basketball -- but that wasn't a hobby. Maybe basketball players should be pre-screened for their TENDENCIES.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 17, 2013 - 4:51 pm

    Phil -- you're welcome.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    Dammit, Kirk! I must have screwed up.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 7:02 pm

    Kirk, I understand your and Dink's animosity toward theology, I only hope someday you understand your animosity towards it. Dink's is based on pure ignorance of it, as he illustrates with his comment. Of all the miracles claimed to have been performed, walking on water and turning water into wine are perhaps the least spectacular. In your case you possess just enough information to actually believe you know what you are talking about. He was not spoken of beginning 2050 years ago, you would need to go back considerably further than that. In order for someone to claim that there exists no being that had any influence in the creation of the universe and caused life to exist where life did not exist, you would need to be able to define infinity. Your confidence it what you protest to believe would require the ability to know the ends of the universe. Something I am fairly certain you don't have knowledge of. I have far too many questions for man's limited understanding to answer, apparently you don't. At least learn something about theology before you condemn it. And I am not talking about religion.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 17, 2013 - 7:39 pm

    Cookie -- wrong again. Instead of pretending to know what I think and getting it completely wrong, just ask. BTW, it was you who put the 2000 year bound on talking about "him"...

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  • Zeke SlateAugust 17, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Phil...If you can't name one then you are either not very well informed or you are looking the other way, or don't care? "All are accused by some." ?? An accusation by one of the "some," must in your mind dilute the garvity of the visible wrong doing of our local elected representatives. Included in this "some' are the Grand Jury,the District Attorney, and those who follow those who don't follow the Brown Act. Last week Norma voted to pay herself (conflict of interest) a late, somewhat questionable, reimbursement for a solo trip out of state; Ray...well we don't need to go there. In case you haven't heard he was arrested a few months ago; Sweeney (retired) was slammed by the 2010 Grand Jury for crafting a deal with Shinn to buy land for an Animal Shelter with a free $ million dollar plus road for Shinn as part of the deal, regardless if the facility was built or not, Ron is being looked at for his role in voting on agenda items that benefit his family (Court House land), Brian has been embroyled in at least onef law suit, Ron ("Mik"), shortly after he was elected, got caught for renting illegal units on his property, Are you saying that everybody is accused of something sometime, therefore accusations are essentially meaningless and when it comes to those who are this county's government, accusations againt them are just ignorable? Hmmmm...so we give them a pass and hope for the best? And in the matter of Richard, well perhaps we need to lock up all the people you mock and be sure none of them have access to any Kool Aid. What if, instead of believing in UFO, he was Jewish or followed one of the Native American Traditions. Would you cut him some slack then? A man's belief system is protect in this Country. Somehow you believe that you have a bully's right to demean the very thing this Country was founded on. Shame on you! If people who have the same beliefs as his want to take his newsletter or attend his...whatever he does...then that is their business, not yours. I am old, too old for this, so I'm going to bed and I hope tomorrow I can learn to live with corruption (if it is not too bad), bullies and those who mock the beliefs of others......... I wonder how many kids you tormented when you were in school. Now days it is simply not tollerated. What kind of person delights in bashing others with his bully friends on line. Don't you have something better to do? I may be old, but not so old that I can't spot a brat.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    Kirk, I am curious as to your source for what was talked about billions of years prior to 2050 years ago? I would love to hear it. There are discussions in the Bible that took place billions of years ago and guess who the discussion included? Science and theology do not oppose each other. Apparently you think they do, which can be explained by a misunderstanding of theology which is very common, especially among religious people. I would bet that you believe the Bible claims the earth is only 6,000 years old. Well it doesn't, in fact it is more in line with the 4.6 billion years science believes. Let me know when you can define infinity. By the way I would wager everything I own on whether or not He will still be discussed 2,000 years from now.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 8:53 pm

    Kirk, my point, as simply as I can make it for you, is that Atheism is by far the most arrogant of all religions. It is a mighty big universe for anyone to claim they know what is or isn't at the other end of it.

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  • cookie65August 17, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    Germany is making available birth certificates that have 3 options for gender. You can't make this stuff up....LOL!!!! http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/third-gender-option-to-become-available-on-german-birth-certificates-a-916940.html

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 17, 2013 - 9:29 pm

    Cookie -- apparently you think I am an atheist. Wrong. I'm an agnostic. I agree with you about people who claim to know the answer. My source for the universe being billions of years old is a multitude of scientific analysis. What is your source for "There are discussions in the Bible that took place billions of years ago"? Particularly since the consensus among scientists is that humans have only been around for 6 or 7 million years.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 17, 2013 - 9:51 pm

    Zeke, please re-read your August 17, 2013 - 2:31 pm. In that post you invited me to, ”If you can, name one current county supervisor who has not either been accused of self-dealing, conflict of interest, or stupidity. I AGREE with you. They have ALL been accused of all sorts of acts, traits, shortcomings and behaviors that, in the mind of the accuser, make them unfit for office. Again, I cannot name even one elected, appointed or volunteer public servant who has not ever been accused of stupidity, incompetence, unlawful behavior . . . . . Zeke, you are drawing a straight line from ACCUSATION to IMPEACHMENT. You point out that Brian was, “embroiled in at least one law suit”. OK? And? I too have been “embroiled in at least one law suit.” So what?! Please, Zeke, report the outcome of the legal action against Brian. Zip, zero, nada - In my case the only thing the plaintiff got was a ridiculously small jury award that amounted to a slap in the face for wasting everybody’s time. Zeke, regarding Richard, we AGREE. Richard has the ABSOLUTE right to believe and speak and write and to act in any and all lawful manner. I do not challenge Dr. Boylan’s private life. Richard’s PRIVATE life is Richard’s PRIVATE life.. But when Dr. Boylan entered the PUBLIC ARENA as a candidate for the Mother lode School Board of Education and when the Democrat Party of EDC endorsed him things changed. ~~~ LINK - Democratic Party’s endorsement of Dr. Richard Boylan - By Letters to the Editor - Wednesday, October 17, 2012 ~~~ My worst behavior in my postings on that thread was my initial “horse laugh”. I should apologize, but dammit, it was funny. I believed that the Democrat Party of EDC had made a mistake. I posted Dr. Boylan,s own writings . . . repeatedly . . . day after day . . .and the Democrat Party of EDC stood firm on its support of Richard. My ridicule was directed to the Democrat Party of EDC, not Dr. Boylan. His own words provided the essence of ridicule. After I posted a link to a “you tube” of Tammy Wynette’s “Stand by Your Man” the DPEDC probably had a heart-to-heart with Dr. Boylan. He withdrew. Dr. Boylan was the victim of his own written words. I asserted MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT in posting a candidate’s disqualifying words. It is my right to reassert that our school kids do not need Dr. Richard Boylan. . . . in his own words, “". . . And it was a pleasure to teach young Star Kid Michael, 8 how to use the sensitive center of the upright palm of his outstretched hand as a kind of "radar" to detect the energy presence of various Star Visitors. He was successful and noted several Star Visitors sheltered under a large leafy tree with branches almost to the ground. . . ". . "On this beach I am stark naked, and surrounding me on the beach are 30 other stark naked people. All ages are represented, but the beach is dotted predominantly by college-age young people . Most all are well-tanned all over, indicating that this is far from their first nude experience outdoors. In front of me is a lively coed game of frisbee being played by seven high-energy people at the edge of the water. Only one of them, a shy teenage boy, is wearing anything. And, perhaps not coincidentally, he is the only one whom the dowsing rods I carry indicate is not a Star Kid." . . . . . ."I have known Veronica for years. When I showed her how her bio-electromagnetic field caused the dowsing rods to splay outwardly when at a distance of 18 feet from her body, and explained that this was because she was a Star Kid, and what that means, she excitedly went into the house to share this with her family. I also used the dowsing rods with Veronica’s older sister, and showed her that she, too, had Star Kid energy. She was pleasantly intrigued, but was astute enough not to share the news of her being a Star Kid with her parents. She knew they would not be charmed nor accepting. Her father soon emerged with an omni-present beer bottle in his hand and politely informed me that he did not want Veronica involved with any such “strange stuff”. Veronica and her sister are a couple of the Latent Star Kids. They clearly have the energy signature, the intelligence, and likely some of the advanced abilities of Star Kids. But they are not in a position to come to terms with their identity as Star Kids, because the repressive confines of their family do not provide them the permission and encouragement to discover things about themselves that are not officially sanctioned by society’s authorities. " . . .

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 6:03 am

    Kirk, Agnostics take the position of taking NO position. They believe the existence of a supreme being, higher power, deity is unknowable/unprovable. Yet you never fail to weigh-in on any discussion or comment regarding theology in support of non-existence. If you believe the existence of a higher intelligence behind creation is not provable or disprovable then why do you always take the atheist version? As to your question regarding conversations in the Bible from billions of years ago. There are accounts of what happened between God and the fallen angels prior to the existence of the universe. I think you misunderstood my comments about the age of the universe. I was saying that according to the Bible this planet and the universe are billions of years old. You and I both know the oldest rocks ever discovered came from the lunar surface dated at around 3.9 billion years and there is a great deal of evidence to support the notion that the earth is considerably older than the moon. Making the accepted theory roughly 4.6 billion years. Like I said before theology and what tiny bit man has learned scientifically DO NOT conflict with each other. "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 6:21 am

    Phil, what does it mean when you are called a bully in a battle of wits? LOL!!!

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 18, 2013 - 6:34 am

    Cookie, what makes my day is being called a "brat". It's been at least sixty (60) years since I've been eligible for that appellation.

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 6:54 am

    People who call you a brat are jealous of your youthful exuberance.

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 7:26 am

    Phil, I was at the grocery store yesterday and right there in the tabloid rag, low information voter checkout line news stand was the National Enquirer and their cover story was the Scientology space camp compound. "Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life here."

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  • BratworstAugust 18, 2013 - 7:37 am

    A woman came home, screeching her car into the driveway, and ran into the house. She slammed the door and shouted at the top of her lungs, “Honey, pack your bags! I won the lottery!” The husband excitedly replied, “Oh my word! What should I pack, beach stuff or golf stuff?” “It doesn’t matter,” she replied, “Just pack your bags and get out!”

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 18, 2013 - 7:52 am

    Cookie -- I "weigh in" against atheist dogma, you just don't see it because the opportunity rarely appears on this forum. I never take the atheist ("one who believes that there is no deity") view, but it's understandable why religious (theist and atheist) folks would see it that way. For instance, what is atheist about my comment that started us down this sub-thread? " the interesting about your (11:03am) comment is that he was not talked about for the billions of years before ~2050 years ago. You may be right about the next 2000 years, but based on the evolution of religion, technology, science, and discovery over the last 2000 years, and imagining what might unfold over the next 2000 years, I wouldn't bet on it."? That Einstein quote is interesting in several respects. He was a little wobbly on the subject, but called himself an agnostic.

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 8:34 am

    Kirk, when you stated, " but based on the evolution of religion, technology, science, and discovery over the last 2000 years, and imagining what might unfold over the next 2000 years, I wouldn't bet on it". That statement led me to conclude that you believed science and discovery would disprove the existence of Deity as nothing more than superstition and be long forgotten 2,000 years hence. My mistake if I misinterpreted your meaning.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieAugust 18, 2013 - 9:25 am

    Cookie -- my point was that the current focus on Jesus, Mohammed, et al, will likely be replaced by *something* else by then.

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  • Zeke SlateAugust 18, 2013 - 10:33 am

    Phil..Whoops..I forgot Brian is your cousin. "Accusation to Impeachment," are you not the pot calling the kettle black? Is that not what you have done to Boylan? 2392 voters (and clearly they are not as informed as you) disagree with your position. They elected him. He is an educator with a PhD and a very bright guy. He does his homework and has a pretty keen eye for numbers. If you have a problem with nudity, please never go to a beach on the Black Sea. Rather than saying the thousands of people who don't see things they way you do have made a mistake, we should look at what makes you think you are so superior...and perhaps a bit of a prude to boot. Boylan was not "a victim of his own written words" (he has been writing them for years). It is more likely he was a victim of the attacks of people like you. What candidate would want to hold an office thousands of voters had elected him to, when there are three or four out there who would dedicate themselves to making his life (and that of those around him) misserable? To Cookie65: I am not engaged in a "battle of wits" with anyone. Wit does not come into play when one is conversing with a brick wall. Back to Phil...one can be called a "brat," at any age..especially if the shoe fits.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 18, 2013 - 10:59 am

    Zeke, explain this. The Democrat Party of El Dorado County has a "heart-to-heart" with Richard. Richard quits and disappoints 2392 voters. Why? ~~~ Moral of story - Don't be a Richard.

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  • James E.August 18, 2013 - 11:27 am

    I come late to this topic. Help me. Richard and Star Kids, with Star Kid energy? And, something about naked kids (refresh my memory). Parents who object armed with a beer bottle, guess to show their hill billy beer ignorance of Star Kid energy. I agree with Phil, Richard needs to be closely watched. Oh, and he gets no pass as a PhD. I have known and worked with many PhDs. Many of them needed to be closely watched. Focused on a narrow sliver of knowledge, with no common sense and open to "Star Kid energy." Protect the children our first responsibility.

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  • observerAugust 18, 2013 - 11:41 am

    Explain this: Even Galileo was forced to recant. Woulda happened sooner but the internet wasn't born. Moral of story - Don't run afoul of purists who love a good lynching.

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 18, 2013 - 12:04 pm

    Explain this. With millions and millions of human DNA samples having been taken and analyzed the score is human DNA Millions and millions and star kids DNA zero. Is the DNA industry lined up against Richard? Is the DNA industry run out of the Vatican? Is it possible that the word "delusional" could come into play?

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  • PSLAugust 18, 2013 - 12:33 pm

    You being the expert witness on psychiatric disorders, pick your own preferred adjectives. Then, after settling on whatever tickles your fancy, try critiquing the actual information and logic in Dr. Boylan's Letters. We know County government is a sensitive area, cause of family and all. But attempting objectivity is a character builder. Wouldn't hurt a bit.

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  • Zeke SlateAugust 18, 2013 - 1:25 pm

    Phil, how do you get from "the DPEDC probably had" to "The DPEDC has" a "heart-to-heart." Please document how you went from conjecture to fact. I am aware of no such meeting. Richard, may have hated to disappoint those who supported and voted for him. but with the prospect of living in the sights of people like you, he may have felt he had no choice. What man would want to put himself and his family through that?! In his case Democracy failed him. The voters made their choice, and a few spoilers blackmailed him out of it. Moral of the story: Honor a man willing to stand up for his beliefs, even in the face of his ultimate defeat at the hands of the small-minded, prejudiced and verbally vicious, few. DNA: Star Kids zero, Christians zero, Athiests zero, Humanitarians zero, Idiots zero.....besides, science is always on the path of discovery...I just recently got an iPhone and gave up my membership in the British Flat Earth Society. James E. Since you "are late to this topic," yes, you had better have Phil refresh your memory since it appears that you are too lazy to read the thread and catch up. It appears you took a few pieces and rewrote, in idiotic jest, what was said. 11:27 AM, that is late...did you have a rough night? So how many hydrants did you and yours boys go out and pee on? As far a people with PhD's...you are clearly not one of them! Your demeanor and lack of serious comment speaks volumes about what you bring to any discussion forum. Please consider being up to speed and less full of yourself before you get off the couch and drag yourself over to your computer (that is of course if you don't have a iPad purched on your belly). "Delusional" A person who holds "A false belief ... without reservation as a result of self-decption." Perfect! Your choice of this word is certainly not without merit. Were you looking in the mirror when it came to you?

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 18, 2013 - 1:38 pm

    Colonel, I'm done with Zeke. He's all yours.

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  • James E.August 18, 2013 - 1:51 pm

    I searched Dr. Richard Boylan. License to practice clinical psychology revoked by the State of California for cause. Enough said. Keep him away from our children. Zeke, please post under your real name: Dr. Richard Boylan. Phil, I'm done with him too.

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Is Zeke Slate a Venetian name or perhaps Uranus? James, you and I are on the same planet when it comes to protecting the kids. Leftists don't have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to lunatics and predators in the public school system. Only for the highly dangerous things like Easter and Christmas.

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  • cookie65August 18, 2013 - 2:47 pm

    Phil, what is that old prohibition about arguing with certain individuals because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?

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  • Phil VeerkampAugust 18, 2013 - 2:57 pm

    Cookie, James - It just occurred to me (slaps forehead - doh) that we're posting from . . . THE BOYLAN ZONE Boylan sources and methods are allowed! I'm off to gather special Boylan approved tools, primarily dousing rods, a willing subject with sensitive palms, a sensitive palm twirler and a witness. I may be back later this evening. But a report will almost certainly be posted tomorrow AM. I'll be reporting from . . . Missouri, the show me clown state.

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  • Zeke SlateAugust 18, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    Well James E. that was a stretch. Do you also think PSL is Boylan as well? Why do you assert that if someone writes supporting someone you don't, that it can't be a real person? I'm not Boylan and PSL is probably not either. I understand you are a pilot, well so am I. Ever flown a J-3 Cub? In the 60's I flew one all around California...what a hoot! This little tail-dragger had no radio and whenever I landed and wanted to go up again I had to find someone who could spin the prop for me. I also have a tiny alphabet clearance and stay in touch with "things." None of the above is info Richard would have. If he wants to write something he can do it himself. I am me, and it is time from my prune juice!

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  • Tom GibneyAugust 18, 2013 - 8:38 pm

    There is a religion that states the 'infidel must be removed or converted' primarily it is this group of people who kill Americans, Christians, Jews etc. in the name of Allah. It's that simple. However Liberal logic cannot do simple. It's all very black and white. It only becomes grey when you give quarter.

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  • James E.August 19, 2013 - 12:09 am

    There are 1.6 billion Muslims and growing. Do we want to fight all of them?

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  • EvelynJanuary 07, 2014 - 1:46 pm

    "Two Years Late, Underwear Bomber Now “Outed” as CIA" - HERE

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