Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Ray

EDITOR:

Ray Nutting, the king of the local “Get government off our backs, and out of the way of free enterprise” group has taken $74,000 of taxpayer money from that bad ol’ government to improve his private property. I love it!

BILL BERTRAM
Placerville

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  • 1036-FrankMarch 27, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    There were two on the BOS that I and many others said to vote out last fall, there were a number of issues raised, this was one of them. Done-Nuttin fooled the Dist. 2 voters, and the other was sent packing back home to S. Cal. Now Nuttin's hands have been found to be in the Govt. cookie jar for what looks like a clear scam on the tax-payers. Let us hope the DA hands this off to the state or feds where some result can be seen as it will be fairly dealt with outside the county where Nuttin's supporters can't corrupt the process.

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  • cookie65March 29, 2013 - 9:08 am

    Is there any relationship between this and the canyon rim clearing on the north side of the American River Canyon? They have been creating a fire break over there for several years. http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/100k-grant-helps-canyon-clearing-continue

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  • Foaming at the MouthMarch 29, 2013 - 9:17 am

    Well of course, cookie, you prove here every day that it's ALL connected.

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  • cookie65March 29, 2013 - 11:59 am

    Foaming, I don't know how much money has been spent but I do know who did the work and how it was done. There was 5 guys of Hispanic ancestry clearing a swath about 20 yards wide, leaving only trees that were greater than @6inches in diameter and removing all limbs within reach. They removed all berry bushes and scrub brush. They burned everything on site. For tools all they had were a couple chainsaws, weed-eaters and loppers. They cleared the area just below the residences and business'. You can bet there were people in the middle who got to pocket some of the funds. It has become the standard operating procedure for the American political system.

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  • cookie65March 29, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    Here is another one for you Foaming, in Auburn they have a defensible space law because of the 49er fire a few years ago. It says a property owner is required to create a defensible space of 100 ft around any structure even if that structure is not on your own property. The difference being you have to pay for it yourself. Making the taxpayers pay to maintain someone's private property is not the proper role of government. http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/fire-safety-law-demands-neighbors-work-together

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  • Jack MartinMarch 29, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    Mr Bertram, to be clear, I do not have a horse in this race. I don't know you, don't know Ray Nutting. But you leveled a very specific accusation at a public figure without so much as a link to the proof. Please do so.

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  • 57 ChevyMarch 29, 2013 - 6:07 pm

    Jack--To know Ray is to dislike Ray and what he gets away with. Answer to your question compliments of the Mtn. Democrat: http://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/nutting-grants-scrutinized/

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  • Ken SteersMarch 29, 2013 - 6:55 pm

    Jack, March 25th MD story "Nutting Funds Scrutinized". You might want to read it.

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  • Bill E.March 30, 2013 - 7:25 am

    All someone has to do is say Ray and the usual ax grinders and suspects materialize like gnats. Nice to see the haters keep hating and hoping. When the DA finds no crime in the investigation, the haters will scream inside job, political favoritism and Ray got away with another one......OR maybe, just maybe, there was nothing to it. Disappointment for sure, but they will return at the next glimmer of hope. To the author: I was not aware that grants were only for those who want big government or drive a Prius. Taxpayers are taxpayers...

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  • Walking TallMarch 30, 2013 - 7:43 am

    A criminal is a criminal and once s/he gets away with the crime it gets worse, with the passage of time the MPG (Money, Power, Greed) takes over and nothing else is seen. The GOB's operate under this moto; "If we get caught we will cover for each other". As we have seen in this case there are several players and "when one of them breaks ranks and tells all the rest will fall". We can also hope that the DA will be there pushing that fall and holds each of them accountable. Enough is enough and it's time to clean this mess up once and for all....

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  • 57 ChevyMarch 30, 2013 - 8:38 am

    Bill - Not all taxpayers are the same. Some are left, some are right. But that doesn't mean they all hate or have an ax to grind. What we can agree is that what Nutting & the GOBs have been getting away with is simply WRONG.

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  • GTown WhistlerMarch 30, 2013 - 9:33 am

    Hope the DA does his job and sees this through: "If any wrongdoing is confirmed, Nutting could face charges related to presenting false claims and falsifying records submitted to state agencies, both felonies."

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  • Ken SteersMarch 30, 2013 - 1:11 pm

    Bill E., Why are you convinced that the D.A. will find no laws violated? Do you have some inside information? And a misappropriation of tax payers money does seem to be of relevance correct? I've know Ray for years. Backed him financially, as well as voted for him. This situation stinks. I feel the State employees who have over sight of these funds are just as responsible. But no one is listing their names in the paper. Why is that?

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  • Disgusted VoterMarch 30, 2013 - 1:27 pm

    To Bill E--yes, people hate Ray Nutting. If he had been a good guy all along, no one would hate him. But he hasn't been a good guy. He has been a slimeball and a liar and then whines about why no one like him. You get what you give, Bill, or is that you, Ray? And to Jack Martin, no one is going to write what Mr. Bertram did and risk slander without proof of what he is saying. You need to open your eyes and look into this mess for yourself. You will not like what you find, and you will be just as eager as so many of us are to see Ray prosecuted and out of office.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 30, 2013 - 4:13 pm

    Ken...I keep asking the same question...why is it that all of these things being questioned--are turning into a Ray thing? Is Ray the lamb to be sacrificed? I keep talking about Santiago...and the BOS (as a whole) signing the New Economy in...and people just keeping talking about Ray (shrugging shoulders.) Maybe someone has an answer. I agree--many should be accountable for many items.

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  • 57 ChevyMarch 30, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    Ray is not the lamb he appears. He's the wolf in sheep's clothing. Each of the BOS with their foibles have contributed to the New Economy mess. Why do you think certain GOB have been frequently referred to as The Three Stooges? Hint: One just maxed out his term.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 30, 2013 - 8:55 pm

    57chevy...I am still trying to sort out the New Economy...I believe in people...its a curse. So finding out that so many are so dishonest--wares me out (many of these people have been or are friends.) I still do not understand why questions do not contain all BOS names...I am not a politician-- Im someones grandmother...who worries about him and his friends. While everyone is playing the deception game of "power" and "money" who is watching out for the children?

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  • Ken SteersMarch 31, 2013 - 9:10 am

    Ms Duchamp, The answer is accountability. You are on to something that I very much agree. If you read this story, in which has many inaccuracies, probably because of the level of expertise of the writer. You will notice that the story list the State agencies's name and not the specific employee who had oversight. It list Ray's name and allow's Ray to be identified as the unknowing rancher as well a Supervisor. And not as the 4 term County Supervisor who actually has over site and political sway to pull something like this off. The writer quotes our DA directly and not from the DA's department. Thus allowing political tension. Looking at what was written, and sifting through all the mud, I ask the questions. Did a County Supervisor actually receive $47,000.00 from a friend who works for the State to clear brush on 35 acres of property the Supervisor owns? Is this a program available to everyone? I say that if everyone who owns 35 acres in Eldorado County who resides in D-2 have been given $47,000.00 from this program who wishes to participate, roughly $1350.00 an acre, then job well done Ray. Ray should list all his constituents he's helped benefit, like he has from this program. So let's ask those who have benefited from this program or even someone who knows of ranchers and farmers in D-2 who are using this program to speak out today. I feel that if Ray has done just that. And helped his neighbors benefit from a program that eases the pain of a failed State Logging agenda. You might just be calling him Assemblyman Ray in the future.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 31, 2013 - 12:31 pm

    Ken thank you for the letter--I will think about the items you brought up. I would still call him "Ray." Im in Pollock many of these people no matter what they do or believe--are my neighbors. And no matter what Harper and Santiago claim--no one sees 6000 + people...it is the same couple hundred people...same volunteers...same politicians...people go by their first name. Even with side agendas... we are still humans--with normal activities. We still say hello, we still shake hands in church. We still try to be civil. I know I was brought up that you can not legally smack people for stupidity. (no matter how good it might make one feel) Things to think about.

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  • Really?March 31, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    cookie65 said: "here was 5 guys of Hispanic ancestry clearing a swath"... May I ask...what difference does it make what ethnicity the workers were???? Do you think saying "of Hispanic ancestry" makes it less offensive that you felt it necessary to mention their racial identity? Wouldn't "5 guys" been fine?

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  • PAPA BEARApril 04, 2013 - 9:05 am

    Ray has taken years to become what he is and has had that time to become corrupt so it isn't any wonder that we now see the results. It is sad that he won't just come clean and save the County a lot of $$ and just prolong the end result. At least we have George Turnboo waiting in the wings to replace him and he won't be bought off or beholding to special interest groups and those who are GOB's

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  • Walking TallApril 13, 2013 - 5:53 am

    Rumor has it that the DA is going to allow Ray to correct his 460's and 700's (reporting/accountability to FPPC)thus excusing his fraud in the monies he collected during campaigns. However a complaint has been sent to the FPPC and an alert to what he is attempting to do and a request for an investigation as to the money trail. A cover up by Ray will be found and then maybe the federal or state AG's office will get involved. The money he has played with over the past twelve years will shed the light on his behaviorand how he hides it. All of the illegal activites will come out and then the citizens of El Dorado County will see the true Ray exposed. We can still hope that our DA will rise to the challenge and go after all the illegal activity that surrounds Ray and expose it and deal with it instead of looking the other way.

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  • Walking TallApril 19, 2013 - 6:01 am

    Link: cbssacramento.com Look up Ray Nutting and view video 4/18/13 "Grant Monies" Being held accountable for his scams Using grant money for personal use and we the tax payers are footing the bill to the tune of over $70,000.00 and that money was used in his campaigns and not reported until he was confronted by channel 13 News.. DA investigating ;over 500 pages of documented evidence. We will see if this gets the attention of the voters and Law Enforcement....

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