Friday, April 18, 2014
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Refuse to follow orders?

EDITOR:

Dr. Romary, a retired Navy dentist, has advised military personnel to refuse to “do the handy work” just because they are ordered to do so.

Dr. Romary sends a dangerous message to those in the 82nd Airborne Division, 1st Marine Division, warships of the line at sea and all tactical fighter and bomber wings: Obey only those orders that you want to obey.

May I suggest that Dr. Romary limit his future advice to personnel in Navy Dental Clinics.

JAMES E. LONGHOFER
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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    Phil, you ever disobey an order when you were in the Army? And, not a silly order such as the town is off limits.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    I argued a little. (regarding red X'ing th' commander's ride)

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    . . . instead of his huey he had to settle for an OH 13 . . . harrrrrr!

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  • EvelynFebruary 18, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    This is Dennis Romary's letter. James Longhofer is guilty of gross misrepresentation. Romary certainly does NOT write "Obey only those orders that you want to obey." Col. Longhofer, I wouldn't consider calling you a liar. But I do hope Dennis Romary responds to your letter following its virtually assured publication. Though having refrained from taking a public position on gun control, your position on matters of truth is not in question.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    Oh, Evelyn, come on everyone lies, even you. However, not the case here as it was, in fact, the essence of his comment (obey only those orders you want to obey -- note, there are no quotation marks so those are my words not his, and it's a parse and therefore cannot be a lie). "Refuse to do the handy work just because you are ordered to do so (his words)." How do you interpret it? And, I hope the dentist replies -- would enjoy exploring his command of sailors and giving/refusing orders. An officer of the Navy Dental Corps advising the military not to obey orders. He speaks of the oath he took -- no where in that oath does it give him authority to advise the military to "refuse to do the handy work just because you are ordered to do so." I'll assume the doctor is a regular Naval officer on the retired list and that makes him liable to the Uniform Code of Military Justice until the day he dies. Not good for an officer to advise the troops to not follow orders. Advising and encouraging mutiny, isn't it? Disgusting for a Naval officer, especially a dentist whose function is not to advise sailors to disobey, but simply to fix their teeth.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 6:29 pm

    Phil, I started out in a OH-13, a CH-21, a OH-24 and then flew every model of the UH-1 (A,B,C, and D). Cobra too, built by Bell but not considered a Huey. OH-13 was OK, but my love was the OH-6 (later the 500MD). So, you red X his UH-1 and he got to travel in that fancy OH-13. Never know, he might have thanked you for the red X -- I know I'd rather be alive in an OH-13 instead of dead in a red X Huey.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 18, 2013 - 6:33 pm

    On a few occasions the colonel himself has admitted to disobeying military orders. In fact there is another guy that uses various names, some of which are Richard, Rich, Jeff, Sprinkles, etc..that has also admitted to disobeying military orders. They both have provided their own reasons as to why they disobeyed those military orders and have excused it in their own minds. It appears to be OK with them to pick and choose which military orders they will obey. I'm not going to listen to anyone that preaches "do as I say but not as I do". I enjoyed Mr. Romary's letter very much.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    DB, only one order disobeyed to save my soldiers from a needless death. If you had been in that platoon, bet you would have been very happy that I was your commander. I assume the dentist has less noble motivations, and I know why you like his letter as it expresses your belief that military personnel might disobey orders given by the president. Remember when I used to call you General Smith because you have zip experience in the military? Join up and in a few years get back to me on advising and encouraging mutiny. Wait, you're too old to join up -- a missed opportunity. Remember, we're peeps now so let's not break up our friendship over this.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 7:01 pm

    OK, time for coffee and apple strudel. Back after a while.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 18, 2013 - 7:02 pm

    Colonel, I merely spoke the truth and you seem to have gotten upset about it. I certainly was not there when you and Richard disobeyed your orders and can only hope that your decisions were justified and I certainly don't have to have any military experience to be able to comment on the subject. After all...look at the idiot Commander in Chief.

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  • EvelynFebruary 18, 2013 - 7:03 pm

    "Everyone does it." Let me say THIS about THAT, James. I understand that is your position. And I understand that perhaps for you, more than for some of us, that position is both practiced and morally tenable. You believe Dr. Romary should "limit his future advice to personnel in Navy Dental Clinics." Should we hold him in higher regard had he specialized in deception?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2013 - 7:36 pm

    James, I think that whereas you were a pilot, he was a passenger (with a special recliner installed)(unauthorized modification, but he luved it)

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  • DB SmithFebruary 18, 2013 - 7:43 pm

    Colonel, you pissed off my mom and she wanted me to tell you that I do indeed have a military background, so in the future I can comfortably comment on all the military issues I want. 1. Born Los Angeles Naval Hospital 2. Barksdale AFB Louisiana 3. Warner Robins AFB Georgia 4. Johnston Islands 5. Hickam AFB Hawaii 6. Back to Warner Robins AFB. All of that military time and rearing entailed about 13 years of my life that I had no choice in. I learned structure and discipline and have no regrets other that a lot of lost friends along the way due to moving so much. Even though I didn't earn any stripes that should still allow me to comment once in awhile.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Colonel, you better sleep with one eye open - per DB's warning. There's few thing meaner'n a pi$$’d of mother grizzly.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 18, 2013 - 8:41 pm

    You can rest soundly colonel, mom's fast asleep now.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    Well, DB, why didn't you say so -- you're an Air Force brat. That gives you some military credits, but probably minimal to none in military law. And, Evelyn, as you have zero experience in military commands (ground and aviation), deception, special operations, CIA activities or military law, please don't lecture because I will immediately doze off. Everyone does what? If you refer to lying and are going to tell us you've never lied, you have just told at least your second lie. How long have you read the MtDemocrat -- I have for around 23 years now and have never read a senior military officer advising mutiny. You (as a civilian) can advise mutiny, DB (as a civilian) can advise mutiny, but a retired regular Naval officer cannot because he violates military law. Phil, you have some pull with DB, please spend a blue chip with him and ask him to call off his Mum. Back now to you Evelyn, as you will again show the readership that you have zero experience in this subject with your next comments. I think I'm finished with the civilians, and now await any rebuttals from Captain Romary, USN, (Ret.), Dental Corps.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 9:03 pm

    DB, thanks for letting me know Mum has gone to sleep. I'm going out now to defuse the Claymores on my front porch and in my front and back yards.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    Going to rain tomorrow. Must be a function of getting old, but even though we need the rain I dislike 'cold' and rainy. May have to stay in bed with the electric blanket turned up on high.

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  • James E.February 18, 2013 - 9:36 pm

    Geeze Phil, a OH-13 with a recliner? All I ever got was a cold steel seat. Recliners -- some of that military waste for the senior officers.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 18, 2013 - 10:02 pm

    No, no, NO!!! Colonel, the UH 1 had the airline seat recliner. You KNOW the OH-13 could never be so modified!!! Yer messing with me. DB, call yer Mom. Sickem!

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:17 am

    DB, When I said, "sickem", I did not really mean to suggest that yer Mum spray any sort of bio-agent on th' Colonel. I meant to say, "sic 'em", as with an umbrella, frying pan, rolling pin . . . nothing against th' Geneva Convention.

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Longhofer-Speak for yourself-everyone does not lie; some people people still believe in honour.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 10:25 am

    Dee, never told a lie, huh? Amazing and not human. Nothing could more expose your mental state.

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 10:56 am

    Longhofer- Your mental state is wone of deviousness and duplicity which you project on others. That leaves you with no crediblity.

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 10:58 am

    Now for the reason I stopped by---- Off Topic-- If you commute or travel far in your vehicle,check out this site--- http://quickmap.dot.ca.gov/ It is very helpful!

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 11:00 am

    **wone should be one**

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 11:58 am

    Dee, you use my last name but refuse to use yours. This, of course, allows you to speak behind the curtain so you can spew your thoughts without accountability. Again, you last comment was irrational, as every rational human being knows about white lies, black lies, and half-truths. We all strive for total honesty in our lives, but we all know we fall short sometimes. Not you, never told a lie in your life. So, from now on I will address you as Dee NeverLie. At last, you have a last name.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 12:02 pm

    NeverLie, is that French or Dutch?

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 12:05 pm

    Colonel, while your working on names could you please do me a little favor and find out my little friends real first and last name. Clue...he sometimes he goes by the name of Richard.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    DB, given Dee NeverLie's lie it was easy to reveal her last name. Not so easy with others. Phil has a quick wit, maybe he can help you?

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    Longhofer (Chiskla)-The name is Native American.And a proud name it is. As Chief of my tribe, I hearby name you as Chiskla-head of the deceivers, whose words shall always be suspect. No longer will anyone refer to you by the honourable name of Longhofer but will refer to you Chiskla.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 19, 2013 - 2:28 pm

    Chiskla? HERE?

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    Ms. Dee Neverlie, hahahaha. Tough when you have nothing, isn't it? And, another tribe beat you to it when it named me "The boy colonel from the West." Again, good try, Ms. Neverlie.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 2:50 pm

    Phil, thanks -- a name from a video game. Ms. Neverlie cannot even come up with a proper name. Reminds me, I had a full blooded American Indian as a crew chief in Vietnam. He was a wild man on the machine gun and had a talent I found in no other. If he spotted something on the ground at altitude he would report and throw out a smoke grenade. As I did hard turns and watched it weave all over the sky and finally hit ground I'd ask him how far from the smoke? I loved his reply, "It's in the foxhole." I had no idea how he attained that skill, but it served us well.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 2:51 pm

    Colonel, go to the "Chiskla" link under NEW ARRIVALS. Instead of Chiskla maybe the new title should of been "DOFUS"? Just wondering how these things come about.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 3:00 pm

    Ms. Dee & Mr. Longhofer, I would like to suggest that you two make up and shake hands. Bury the hatchet but keep the debate...as life is too short. I know it is easier said than done but shouldn't we try?

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    DB, I know, I saw that and strange isn't it? DOFUS? Hard to see that as an Indian name. Hmmm, "DOFUS, he who rides on the wind with Sitting Bull." Doesn't compute. Change of topic: Hey, what's with the snow? Christmas in February.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    DB, good man. Dee, I apologize for pulling your chain a bit. If you have a sense of humor, we can almost be ----- peeps, even though we stand on different sides of the aisle. DB is right, my hatchet is buried, how about yours?

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 3:30 pm

    Phil-Yakama-Chiskla-Your personal attacks are continous. I highly doubt that it is something you can overcome. It does not bother me because I understand when you can't argue facts you need to maintain a sense of superiority.Besides I like the name Dee Neverlie. DB I thank you for the offer. However instead of accepting the joke as it was,this was his response,"Tough when you have nothing, isn't it? And, another tribe beat you to it when it named me "The boy colonel from the West." Again, good try, Ms. Neverlie." A need to diminish me is very apparent.He says his hatchetd is buried. Yes, right in my back.----Oh, Chiklas or would you prefer Longhofer? In my life I have had to deal with dangerous people and one thing I know; words mean nothing if not followed by proper actions.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 3:48 pm

    A couple of observations. Apparently I beat Dee so badly as we bantered back and forth that I've hurt her feelings and she cannot bring herself to bury the hatchet. Secondly, Dee has no sense of humor, enough said. So, DB, looks like I'm going to have to dig up my hatchet. And, Dee, given you like your new name of Ms. Neverlie, I won't be using it anymore. Your refusal to come half way is simply typical of many Tea/Republicans and it's sad here and on the national level. Sorry, DB, I tried.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 3:55 pm

    Ms. Dee and Mr. Longhofer, as the well used and old saying goes...can we agree to disagree? I'm just as guilty as anyone out there when it comes to this kind of stuff and will probably need some help in the future from one of you. Dee I really think Mr. Longhofer is sincere in his apology so please reconsider your stand. It's still snowing and now I've gotta do a little shoveling.

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 4:12 pm

    DB-See Chiskla's message and the projection of his own feelings on me. The fact is, I think he is funny in his bubble of self importance. And someone I don't know can't hurt my feelings or make me angry. So rip me again, Chiskla.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 4:20 pm

    Dee, after reading his 3:48 post, I now fear there is no hope. I felt we were close but I guess it ain't gonna happen. It went political pretty quickly with typical "Tea/Republicans" whaaatttt????

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  • DeeFebruary 19, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    DB-Thanks for trying.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 5:12 pm

    Dee, my comments diminish you, but somehow your comments don't diminish me? With that attitude it appears you can never lose -- a carefully crafted position of only I'm diminished and therefore feel sorry for poor Dee who wins because she is diminished. DB, I feel so diminished. Give me a non-political hug (my sense of humor remains intact after half a day dealing with Dee). Now, I know Dee will respond that I've diminished her again. Poor Dee, always so diminished. Must be tough going through life with that big redwood on her shoulder. Oh, Dee, I'm so sorry -- I just diminished you again.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 5:22 pm

    Cut the crap colonel. It's obvious now you were just conning again. I'm glad your sense of morbid humor is still intact. Hardy har har!

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 5:30 pm

    DB, so you support Dee who has never lied and gets diminished by anything said to her? Strip away your political affiliation with her, and tell us honestly who is on the con. Come on, be a standup guy. Everyone is watching.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 19, 2013 - 5:41 pm

    Colonel, I do support Dee and her opinions much more often than I do your opinions. I personally appreciated the apology you offered but it quickly turned sour and not just because it wasn't accepted. I don't thing anyone had their political thinking hats on at that moment except maybe you sir.

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  • James E.February 19, 2013 - 5:49 pm

    DB, good comment. Thanks.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:00 am

    James, drop the last name thing already. Unless you want to go after Richurd and Darrin too. So Dee addresses you by Longhofer. The two aforementioned oafs address me by my last name without giving theirs but you don't see me getting all wound up about it, do you? Tell you what-you work on getting Richurd's and Darrin's last names (or countries of origin), or at least a face to face (better), and I'll work on getting Dee's last name. Fair enuf? Now, back to the oRIGinal reason for this thread...

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:09 am

    We have two issues here; 1) The disobedience itself, and 2) The person ultimately to be disobeyed. I wonder James, if we had a different commander in chief (I say that tongue-in-cheek given the current incompetent occupying the oval orifice), if your advice would be different. Do you take a bit of offense because the Doc suggests your Community Organizer in Chief (COC) may not be worth obeying? If it were Bush, would you take issue? As far as the "military following orders..." We've done this before but evidently not thoroughly enough. Back later...

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 9:02 am

    During my military service refusing a direct order is just about the most serious crime on the books and it is the equivalent of a capital crime under the military code of justice, if convicted you can be sentenced to death. That may have been the result in the Civil War or something, but in the year 2013 the person, if they made it out of the field, would probably end up being evaluated for psychiatric problems and eventually removed from service with a dishonorable discharge. Dr. Romary’s dangerous message shows that intelligence and morality don’t walk hand in hand, they never have. The truth is, intelligence without morality is extremely dangerous. I believe the Doctor may be brilliant, but that still doesn’t mean he has a conscience, as society knows it. I think its common for the tea baggers who seem to be looking for a motive to justify their view of the world to say just about anything to be admired by their party and fellow tea bags. There is a theory, that all children are born good and somehow society makes them bad. I think in Dr Romany case, some are just born bad. Theres a striking resimulents between the military Heilige Geist of WW11 and the tea bag movement and the Dr. Romary letter.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:10 am

    Paddy, it's not political. Matters not who is in the White House. If a soldier/Marine/airman disobeyed an order, he/she would not be disobeying the President, he/she would be disobeying the superior officer (captain, major, lieutenant colonel, et al.,) who gave the order. Dr. Romary made many points -- the only one I questioned was his advice that military personnel refuse to do the handy work just because they were ordered to do so. To disobey an order is a military offense and if you disobey an order you have to be ready to face the consequences. You do have the defense of explaining why you disobeyed and mitigation may result in reduced or no punishment. Yes, I would make the same objection to Dr. Romary's enticement to mutiny if Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, Ford, or Nixon was president. The Uniform Code of Military Justice is constant and applies regardless of who is president. Now, if I had attacked Dr. Romary's entire letter then you could accuse me of politics -- I didn't.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Richard is correct, the punishment for disobeying an order could range from death to prison time to 30 days extra duty or even nothing should the convening authority decide. It all depends on the circumstances and mitigation presented.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2013 - 9:30 am

    WTF! Colonel - I'm browsing the print edition - page A5 - No Longhofer - Zip, zero, nada! WTF!!!

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:37 am

    Paddy, Richard and Darrin don't refer to me by my last name. Dee does and I want to return the favor, so I requested her last name. Which is hard because any comment made to her diminishes her and that automatically makes her the winner (in her mind). A little trick women have played on men since Adam and Eve. How come men can't be diminished? Aren't we worthy? Come on, I want to win debates by being diminished. It's only right.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:39 am

    Phil, maybe the Mt.Democrat didn't find me worthy? But, maybe Friday?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Richurd speaks of intelligence and morality, while being clearly deficient in both. Could never refuse to follow an order, yet uses illegal drugs and owns an "assault weapon"? You would be a walking dichotomy were any of your online persona real. Where do you live anyway Richurd? Berkeley? Chicago? And what search engine do you use to get your facts about the military?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 9:50 am

    James, God made man and rested. Then He made woman, and nobody's rested since. It is what it is.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 10:02 am

    Amen.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 10:17 am

    So with regard to this topic of soldiers not following orders, not having served in the military, I can't speak from personal experience about this, but I am a fairly well read individual and read a great deal about the state of affairs in our country today (actually, this is almost the totality of what I read). I read news from well over two dozen sites a day, and numerous links from each of those, and like here, I read the comments too. I don't do news from most of the major leaguers, and I read Huffpo more than Fox. I have heard it stated dozens and dozens and dozens of times from active and retired military types (and also active and retired LEOs) in clear terms that there is a deep and increasing distrust of Washington and its policies and I have heard allusions to ideological divisions that may be moving to practical sorts. There are organizations like Oathkeepers that are growing in numbers and in influence that do openly what many feel but are afraid to do: defy Washington. If you doubt there are active and military types out there ready to mutiny, you are probably not reading relevant enough info. You may want to get outside or your little bubbles and look around.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 10:18 am

    And as far the death penalty for disobedience, let me ask this; If you are willing to obey an order that you KNOW IN YOUR SPIRIT violates your oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the US", violates another American's Rights, and also violates your own conscience, and you do it ONLY to avert the punishment you may face, what exactly is your life worth?

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 10:42 am

    Paddy, reference obeying or not obeying in the current political environment, we will just have to wait and see. My belief is that it's easy to talk now, hard to do then. But, again, no way to tell until it happens so we are in the wait and see mode. I'm off for a bit, be back later.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 1:01 pm

    James, your position is valid if you take Dr. Romary's point out of context. He is making a larger point in regards to an individuals oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. His statement, "This is a message to the Police, to the military, to the TSA, to Homeland Security and to members of every other enforcement arm of the government. Do what you know is right in your heart and soul. Refuse to do the handy work just because you are ordered to." I shouldn't have to explain what is meant by "handy work" for you but I will. Handy work in this context is meant as any activity that is done to protect government and the powers that be at the cost of personal liberty and freedom of the citizens. When the government no longer recognizes the Constitution, should those who have sworn to defend it listen to the government? It is not a tough question James. Does the defense of the government or the defense of the Constitution come first? If you don't know the answer to that question it is because you don't want to... This is question of Inalienable Rights vs the limitations on government. If our volunteer citizen military is not responsible for the protection of the citizens then who are the responsible for?

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 1:11 pm

    Paddy, FYI, Richard Sandness who is a member of the Eldorado County democrat socialist party tends to post quite often. If you pull up the EDCDP site there is a link showing it's members what and how to post their issues of the day in the paper. It is disturbing to me that an Org. that is elected does not list it's members. Or has it had an election since 2006. They all are busy posting their diatribe as laid out to them by DC. Richard must have drawn the NRA

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  • Freudian Slip?February 20, 2013 - 1:14 pm

    Army Colonel Begins Serving One-Year Prison Term://www.apnewsarchive.com/1986/Army-Colonel-Begins-Serving-One-Year-Prison-Term/id-b5f9e10bb50ca07c5f6ba8cdb91d1e43

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 1:38 pm

    Cookie, where have you been? I'm sure James and the "others" don't miss you when you're MIA, but I do. :)

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    Colonel, was ther any upside to LINK - SOD - Project YELLOW FRUIT? Or did it just turn out to be a general clusterf^#k?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 1:49 pm

    So Ken, you think the Richard Sandness, RN of El Dorado Hills, who contributed to "Obama for America" and the DNC is the same idiot that posts here?? See, that's that prob with making political contributions: your name, address, job title, employer, past employers, all that jazz becomes public. The internet sucks if you want to be private.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 1:59 pm

    Richard, would your obsession with teabags qualify as a psychological problem? Those with psychological issues don't generally get a DD. You of all people posting on here should be familiar with a section 8. It is because of people like you that the majority of Americans believes nothing that comes from the left. Your pure hatred for anyone who defends the foundation of this country is a serious mental condition. I can't tell you how thankful I am that I don't live in a country based on your ideals. Get a life and those who have done something with their freedom won't be your sworn enemy.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    True Paddy. A question I have to the Eldorado County democrat socialist is why don't you list your elected officials for the Districts? Who is your chair and leadership? Why do you not hold elections? You collect and spend money on campaigns. Do y'all think that you are above the rule of law? Or is it that you think you are "special"? "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others". Animal Farm.

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    That’s all you’ve got! A Republican Central Committee member and wannabe hunter, a young Republican who lives with his mom, two NRA members and at least four survivalist 2nd amendment nut cakes who are NRA sympathizers. The things they all seem to have in common are; they’re all republicans and all on a mission from god to defend the NRA and its belief that guns are a god given right. How stupid is that!

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 2:21 pm

    Thanks Paddy, I was enjoying a little time in the sun. Margaritas under a Banyan tree. I have been in 11 states since the 7th of January. I came to realize something that I have always known but never totally comprehended. In the last century this country has created more material wealth that all of human history combined and the only reason we have poverty and those who go without is because of liberalism. But going without by our definition is a higher standard of living the 90% of the earths population will ever experience. I traveled 3,000 miles and ran into people I have known my entire life. It was awesome to see them somewhere other than a funeral. Don't sell James short, he missed me.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    I missed you Cookie.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 2:47 pm

    Gosh, Freudian, I wonder what colonel that might be? It was 63 days outside the USDB writing the new Army Regulation on the USDB. The food was good, I had dry socks (old Infantrymen will get this) and they treated me quite well. It was an educational experience. I recommend it for everyone.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 2:52 pm

    Cookie, the oath is to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. The oath is not to the president, but to the Constitution. In Germany of the '30s, Hilter changed the oath from their Constitution to him personally. Not the case here. Next question.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    I'm certain he did miss you, Cookie. In a weird sort of way. Glad you've been enjoying life. I plan to do a road trip with one of my boys next month-to Wyoming and Montana. Actually, a scouting trip; looking for land in a more sensible and conservative state. California is going to hell and it would be great if when it finally submerges, only the liberal/socialists who were driving the bus were left in it to burn. I can take my $170K a year and all associated taxes to another state. It probably won't be for a while, so tell James not to start cheering yet.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    Phil, there was an upside to Yellow Fruit. It was developed as a counter-intelligence unit and was doing its job until it was derailed by Pentagon politics. Lots of jealousy and power plays in the Pentagon interfering with national security. In the early 80s the generals hated Special Operations because they were cut out and not on the access lists. Jump forward 30 years to 2013 and the generals love Special Operations. I was just born too soon.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    Cookie and Richard becoming an item? Yin and Yang?

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 3:12 pm

    Exactly James, Domestic Enemies of the Costitution. Which is what Dr. Romary's letter is alluding to. When the president of the United States decides which parts of the Contitution to enforce and which parts not to enforce has he not regected his oath? Is he not to be held accountable for dereliction of duty? And should those who took the same oath disregard their oath just because he has? He spent roughly $2 billion dollars (not including what the media spent) to get elected twice and still is not interested in what the Constitution mandates as his responsibilities. When aunt esther tells the kids what they need to eat it may be useful for the drooling media and the low information voters but it falls short of what many of us measure as leadership.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    Cookie, the Congress has the duty to impeach. It is not the role of the military unless the military decides to violently overthrow the government. And, it is never the role of the individual soldier/Marine/Sailor to decide when the President is not fulfilling his duties -- that's called a mob. End of story. OK, heading out for the early bird special. Back later.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    Why is it that liberals have such a struggle with reading comprehension? Dr. Romary's letter says nothing about the military overthrowing the government. It doesn't even make a vague suggestion to do so. To take what the Dr. wrote and try to twist into the military overthrowing the government is very weak James. You are usually better at disguising you total lack of confidence in obama, but the position you have taken on this one puts you in the sad catagory with Richard and Garon. Even though they belong in quarantine they still manage to expose thier knowledge of obama's incompetence every time they comment. It is amazing to read the thinking of those who know that they are totally wrong but defend it anyway. It is like listening to elizabeth warren discuss her indian heritage. Who needs the comedy channel when we have leftists?

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 3:52 pm

    Richard you are just a shill for the democrat socialist. A nurse who is a union sympathizer. And most importantly a biatch on a bicycle. I'll be looking for you around town. Always wear a helmet.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 4:07 pm

    After reading that article Freudian posted I found one paragraph very interesting regarding the psychology of the old Col. "Col. James E. Longhofer was convicted earlier this year of dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming an officer and disobeying a lawful order. His military court-martial grew out of a wide-ranging investigation of alleged financial irregularities within the Army's Special Operations Division." So may I suggest that you practice what you preach James.

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  • DeeFebruary 20, 2013 - 4:26 pm

    Cookie-Welcome back. Glad you had time in the sun.

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 4:33 pm

    Just wanted to remind Dr Romary of some of our Military history and why only the 10% who always screw up would respond to a suggestion to follow what their hearts tell them as opposed to they orders. Its called honor, republician wannbes..... What punks It was an epic battle fought by 100,000 men on an island one third the size of Manhattan. Every inch of the island was within the reach of the guns on Mount Suribachi and the Japanese were deeply entrenched in caves dug out of lava. Naval guns couldn’t even keep the Japanese gunners’ heads down much less dislodge them. The decision came down — send in the Marines. Men — average age 20 — stormed onto Iwo Jima and into history. One historian described it as "throwing living flesh against reinforced concrete." The Japanese didn’t give one inch; they died for they had no place to retreat to and no desire to surrender. Of the 21,000 Japanese military men on the island at the start of the battle, 20,703 died. Less than 220 were taken prisoner. The battle began February 19 and ended March 26, 1945 with a final, silent bayonet charge by the remaining Imperial Japanese troops. The Marines had won, but at a cost that staggers the imagination — 26,000 wounded, 6,800 killed. One third of all Medal of Honor medals awarded to the Corps during WW2 came for actions on Iwo Jima.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    Thank you Dee. There is no place like home. But I still recommend 80 degrees in February.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Richard, that is why it is so disgusting to see how people like you would trade the freedom paid for by so many for a stinking handout. Nothing in America is more pathetic than the people who think there is something to gain by letting the government control even more of our lives so you can get something for free. It is like spitting in the face of those Marines. But that is what being a leftist is all about. Letting others pay for what you are willing to throw away with the trash.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 5:10 pm

    Cookie hit the nail on the head regarding the democrat socialist posters defending the system because they are and benefit from the system. Eldorado County Democrat Socialist party members like Garon and Richie show a complete disregard and contempt for those who have no use for and fear our government because they love socialism. The democrats have created and run every aspect of our society. They poke fun at the people who demand the rule of law because they now have the ability to make it up as they go. Just look at the kangaroo court in Sacramento today regarding the State Parks scandal overseen by Kamala Harris. One would ask why is this scandal of corruptness in civil court and not criminal? Ms Harris today felt comfortable in clarifying this fact that in civil court the government employees would feel safer giving information as how this happened with out fear or reprisal. That's it in a nut shell. No one to blame. No one will be punished. Let's just study what they did and learn how to benefit from it more effectively.

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    Just more bull-sh-t, you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, thank god your tea party are just a small minority who’s ran will soon be exhausted. You lost the election for the Republican Party, you lost your tea party and you will soon lose gun control. History will forever show the tea party wannbe obstructionist as a fringe group that stood for absolutely nothing the would improve our nation.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 5:31 pm

    Cookie, my only point is that Dr. Romary advised military personnel to refuse to do the handy work just because they are ordered to do so. In the military that would be failure to obey an order and that's a serious offense in the military. Talking about overthrowing the government came about only a result of your comment and obviously not what Dr. Romary said. Congress can impeach if the president doesn't adhere to the Constitution, the military or individual soldiers/Marines/sailors, or airmen cannot. Are we just going around and around on this?

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 5:38 pm

    But, Ken, all those charges were dismissed -- you're just assuming they are true. Or do you have access to all the classified documents and trial records? We have beaten this dead horse many times over the years, and it comes up occasionally when my Tea/Republicans buddies have to make themselves feel good as they have nothing else. Had any of the financial rumors been true, I'd still be a guest of the government.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 5:39 pm

    Richurd, it's not possible for you to look at yourself objectively (it's even hard for anyone who's read even a few of your posts), but if you could, you'd come to same conclusion many of us have: "This Richard dude's a fruitcake". Seriously man, and you're a psych nurse? Talk about inmates running the asylum.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 5:50 pm

    Paddy, I was once evaluated by a psychiatrist. Given my BA and MA in Psychology, I knew the answers and so was found to be mentally balanced and healthy. Tips for passing: You must love your mother without qualification, and have no thoughts of killing anyone.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    James, So if someone wanted to kill his mom, that's a definite no-no right? Just checking. Well, no prob here, Paddy loves his momma and wishes ill on no one. Like to slap a few folks though ;^).

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 6:16 pm

    What clowns; TeaBaggers are nothing more than a regurgated blend of historically repuke reich wingers. The reason for the existence of the Tea Parties (beyond selling the agenda of billionaires) is to provide a 'rational justification' for these repukes to pretend to not be followers of Little George Bush. What you see in the Tea Party is what the "conservative" electorate really believes. It has been kind of hidden for a long time, under the normal GOP rhetoric. And too many of our fellow citizens (Liberal, 'Moderate' or non-TP Conservatives) had no idea that such extremity is really very normal across much of the GOP nation.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    Paddy, that would be a definite no no. The doctors like to explore the mother relationship, as it opens many doors as to your possible mental scars. Obviously you loved your momma because I've noticed your mental health is right up there with normal people. At least, to the best of my knowledge no one has accused you of being abnormal. But then I cannot be on the thread 24/7.

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  • billzzFebruary 20, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    Why I Did Not Get the Pulitzer Prize There is announced another photography contest in the Parade magazine and, again, Eddie Adams is to be one of the judges. Eddie won the Pulitzer Prize for taking a picture of the Saigon chief of police shooting a Viet Cong prisoner in the head. I wondered why Eddie did not do something to stop the atrocity but a newsperson told me that Eddie was justified in recording the incident for posterity but not justified in interfering with the event – becoming part of the problem, so to speak. In 1969 the South Vietnamese operations officer came to me with the plan for an operation that would sweep through a village on the banks of the Mekong River, chasing the Viet Cong into the river where USAF planes would drop napalm on them. In my mind’s eye I saw myself on the dike which was Highway 4, and overlooked the village. With my 35mm camera and telephoto lens I could take the picture of the blue sky, the green opposite shore, the blue river, and the nearby brown huts of the village. Overhead the aluminum F-4 fighters descending with full afterburners flaming and the orange burst of the napalm as they destroyed the Viet Cong unit. There was only one little thing wrong with the picture. I knew that the Viet Cong would be smart enough to leave the instant their scouts saw movement toward the village. And I knew that some villages did not pay taxes and that they faced some form of punishment. And I knew that the only people who would be driven into the Mekong would be the women and children. I asked why they were not using VNAF planes, and why planes at all, and I got blank stares. The plan escalated to a confrontation in front of the senior American advisor, and when I asked him to picture a CBS camera crew on the spot I had envisioned on Highway 4, and the picture they would take, he agreed to no American participation. The plan was cancelled. Later he asked me if I was going to be part of the solution or part of the problem. So I did not get the Pulitzer Prize winning picture and if I had been in Saigon I guess I would have run up to shake the chief’s hand and asked him if he was sure he wanted his picture taken this way. Well, I feel better now for being part of the problem. If I’d been there Eddie would not have a Pulitzer. ©2000, William Heyman

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 20, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Actually James, Richurd has said some pretty hurtful things about me (snif). And being how he's a psych nurse and all, maybe he's right... Make him stop James, make him stop. :^)

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 6:58 pm

    The tea party seems to attract those who on their own would find it difficult to leave a legacy of any kind……. While the Tea Party faithful and their children would have you believe they are not really Republicans, the reality is that they simply represent the most extreme, intransigent, and radical members of the broader conservative god gave my rights movement. But soon, they will self-destruct leaving nothing.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 7:32 pm

    Richard!!!! Keep it up punk. I know where you live. A question for your smug little ass. Do you have any friends? Have you ever? I don't think so. BTW, I got a box of twinkies and cup cakes with your pathetic little name on them.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    James, I will have to agree with Freudian that it is strange you would talk about disobeying direct orders when you were convicted of it your self. But in lies your love for creepies like Garon and Richard and all the other socialist haters who post. Simply you feel wronged. I would like to state a long running reality to you James. Even though you've stuck up for them, thousands of times over the years, they've never stuck up for you.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 7:44 pm

    Half my paragraph to Richard didn't post. If you make Paddy cry I'll, hell I don't have to do anything to you. You're a pathetic little creature aren't you. And Paddy no sniveling.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    Ken, I wasn't convicted of it, it was dismissed, along other factors because the general who originally charged I had disobeyed him admitted at trial that it really wasn't an official order, only a suggestion which had no force in law and which even that I had not disobeyed. It's in the trial record. Order one from the Army, think it will cost you about $1,000. Now, I hate to bring it up, but last April you libeled my wife by telling the world, via the Mt.Democrat thread (yes, I kept copies), that she had been in prison. Pure libel, and your only defense would be the truth. Tell us all again how you know the truth about my wife being in prison? For the rest of the readership the closest my wife, a little old lady, has been to prison is a couple of speeding tickets over the last 55 years. This makes Ken Steers, in undisputed fact, a vile liar who is so insecure that he has to lie to appear superior. Ken, your proof? Come on, cough up, or go away you little despicable man. Your military sons must be so proud of you.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:03 pm

    I could be watching The Big Bang Theory right now, but Ken Steers seems to be on a mission to clean some Liberal clock tonight, and I'm not going to miss that show....Go Ken go!! ..Go Ken go!!...

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Despite criticism by the majority in our nation, most of who have eared the right to be called Americans, the tea party continues to be praised as a political force by its members. It is loud, generally unconcerned with little things like facts or reasoned, or practical solutions to the country's problems. This is bad for our nation and it is a shameful representation of what constitutes an American political or social movement. And good god, the idiots it attracts not to mention organizations like the NRA.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    R.J., read my comment and then tell Ken to go go to clean clocks. No, you won't because you're more of a man than that.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    Now, with the Col. getting into the fray, this has all the ingredients of becoming a real Donny-brook...Dang I might be up late...

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    R.J., no donnybrook because Ken cannot reply because he has nothing to prove his libel. Again, a sad little man.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:18 pm

    Col.....Yes, I've heard about your past, the good along with the not so flattering, but it's not for me to judge people in the present or by their past.....

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:22 pm

    While we're waiting for Ken to come up with a BS response which will have no proof because he cannot prove that which never happened, I want to tell Paddy and DB that I purchased today a chocolate covered peep. It was only a single serving and once I got past the chocolate it was a true yellow peep. It was fresh so I was able to chew through it and it was fairly good. Don't think I've had one in 60 years and I'm probably good for another 60 years.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:25 pm

    R.J., my past was all good. Private to colonel. Duty, Honor, Country.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:29 pm

    ADDED: Honorable Discharge, for length of service. And, given I wasn't killed, or maimed, a wonderful career. Lots of scalps.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    James, the context of what Dr. Romary is talking about is much simpler than you misrepresent it to be. He is making the point that just because obama refuses to enforce federal laws regarding imigration that doesn't mean everyone should. Just because obama's state dept lets American diplomats die doesn't mean everyone should. Just because obama's attorney general refuses to enforce voting laws doesn't mean everyone should. Just because obama has no regard for the Constitution doesn't mean everyone should.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    Cookie, you have your view as a civilian, I have my view as a retired military officer. Shall we just agree to disagree? Otherwise, we will be discussing this round and round in 2020.

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  • cookie65February 20, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    Richard, you give an outstanding rendition of the occupy parasites. Complete with envy, jealousy, rage, and hate. Imagine how ticked off you must have been when the tea party handed obama and the leftists their rearends in 2010. Are you so disappointed with your life that you blame all of existance for it? Simply amazing how you got your marxists dream in obama the empty suit and you are more angry than ever. Don't you worry about a thing, your ideology will continue to fail everywhere it is tried. The indoctrination on kids all the way up thru the college years from the leftists in the union run schools only lasts until the real world comes into view. America will survive as founded no matter how hard obama tries to destroy it. The public sector will collapse, the welfare system will collapse. People who voted for these communists will suffer the most and all the people you hate with a passion will laugh at you for all eternity. And your self imposed suffering will only get worse. Ain't life grand.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 20, 2013 - 8:53 pm

    Well, dang-it Col., looks like tonight's show is pretty much over, guess I'll go turn-in...

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    R.J. turn that electric blanket up to six and have a restful night.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:01 pm

    Cookie, you do know don't you that when you jump the line into diatribe that your argument loses force and the reader dials out.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:23 pm

    Oh, I should say, in fairness to Ken Steers that he is not a vile liar if he can prove my wife has served time in prison. After all, truth is an absolute defense to libel and therefore he wouldn't be a vile liar if he could prove it. Actually funny, beyond the libel -- my gentle wife of 58 years a jailbird.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Paddy, DB, I'm looking for some peep eatin' feedback. Do you think chocolate coating contaminates a true yellow peep? Back in a while -- going to take a couple of sips of Bushmills.

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  • RichardFebruary 20, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    One more thing blog bully woman: You can’t possibly believe what you have written is true. President Obama as you may recall was elected by a majority of people to be President of the United States, sorry you don’t agree with anything he says or does, he’s President, he’s doing what he was elected to do, what don’t you understand about this? And like myself, I don’t think he would give a hoot what your extremist opinion is. Your tea party is doomed, the short version: anti-black, anti-Mexican, anti-social security, anti-peace, antipoor, anti-working class, anti woman’s right to choose not to mention out of date. I don’t think you have even the foggiest idea why you really support the tea party, everything it stand for goes against what’s needed to restore Americas middle class. If the middle class fails in America you may very well get what you tea party nut-cakes think you want, and nobody could be that stupid.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2013 - 10:11 pm

    cookie - - - "blog bully woman" WELCOME HOME!!! - - - Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . cough . . . choke . . . ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . . gasp . . . thanks, Richard!

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 10:15 pm

    Phil, while you are so hahahahaha, what about my chocolate peep? Don't diminish me.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 20, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    James, you were convicted. One of your crimes was disobeying an officer. You served time for your crimes. It is documented. Ironic that you feel emboldened to attack people on that very subject. The Lt Colonel you were in charge of that was convicted with you. Is he enjoying a full commission today? Did he get off while serving time on a technicality also? Finally James you are not in charge or anything or anyone that i know of. Quit trying to give orders. After all you never follow any do you? To all the democrat socialist in our county. A little advice. You won. Your government is completely in charge and you control everything. It just so happens that we are now back in a recession that I don't think we were ever out of in the first place. Your plan of spending our way out of debt didn't work. It's your plan your politicians in charge. So deal with the responsibility of leadership. R.J. TEVO. That show is awesome. I'll leave Richard to Paddy and DB. Dee and Cookie could clean his clock but he's said some vile things to those fellas and I think they have some unfinished business with him.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 10:25 pm

    Ken, not one word about proving my wife was in prison. Just pure diversion BS. Speaks for itself, you vile liar. I would think you would want to sue me for calling you a vile liar because of your libel against my wife. Yes, LTC Duncan was restored to full active status. All charges dismissed because charges were not proven. In sum, you are simply a little man who is a vile liar and you are exposed to the readership. Go away, you are not worthy of future comment beyond disgusting.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 20, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    Colonel, chocolate coating a peep is cheating. Real men take peeps neat, straigh up - like Makers Mark - neat.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 11:09 pm

    Phil, I couldn't eat one of the yellow ones, so I had to opt for the chocolate. Reference Markers Mark -- they had a news item in the paper last week that they were going to cut the alcohol level -- so I rush out and buy two bottles of the current stuff -- news item today that public reaction has caused them to drop the lower alcohol version. Well, two bottles in reserve cannot hurt my alcohol cabinet.

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  • James E.February 20, 2013 - 11:14 pm

    ***Maker's Mark, Star S IV, Kentucky Straight Bourbon Handmade.

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  • Lib-busterFebruary 20, 2013 - 11:41 pm

    F.Y.I. JUST ONE SUCH UNCUT STORY FOUND IN THE AP NEWS ARCHIVE..... Court-Martial Conviction of Army Colonel Overturned AP , Associated Press AP News Archive Jun. 30, 1988 11:23 PM ET WASHINGTON (AP) _ The 1986 court-martial conviction of Army Col. James E. Longhofer was overturned Thursday because his trial was not begun within 120 days after he was charged, according to a published report. Longhofer, 50, who headed the Special Operations Division in 1981 and 1982, was convicted in April 1986 of disobeying a lawful order, dereliction of duty and conduct unbecoming an officer. The U.S. Army Court of Military Review ruled Thursday that the delay in bringing Longhofer to trial violated the ''speedy trial'' requirement of military law, The Washington Post reported in Friday's editions. The delay, the court said, was caused mainly by Army prosecutors' ''inexplicable'' unfamiliarity with procedures for obtaining security clearances for Longhofer's civilian attorney, the newspaper reported. ''Thank God for the Constitution and my lawyers,'' Longhofer told the Post after the ruling. ''I'm going to ask that I be restored to what I would have been had they not violated my constitutional rights.'' Longhofer spent 63 days in prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., before being released pending appeal. He originally had been sentenced to two years in prison, a reprimand and $24,000 in pay forfeiture, but his commanding officer later cut the penalties in half. Allegations of financial illegalities by members of his unit prompted Longhofer's suspension in December 1983. http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1988/Court-Martial-Conviction-of-Army-Colonel-Overturned/id-28f990db82e171a1cf547c3ba73dc1e1?SearchText=www.apn

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 12:36 am

    Oh, am I really the most famous person in El Dorado County? A retired colonel of the Regular Army enjoying the good life. Thirty years ago, seems like another lifetime. And, yes, Ken, I will continue to be "giving orders," so suffer the pain you little man. Still waiting for the "wife in prison" thing, but not likely to happen, huh? And, to all a good night.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 6:28 am

    Col Longhofer: We'll never know whether you are the "most famous person in El Dorado County." But some say that Iran-Contra marked the end of constitutional government in the United States. As for being a "retired colonel of the Regular Army enjoying the good life," the previously linked report says this about your unit: "It had succumbed not to enemy spies or terrorists but to its own megalomania, not to mention old-fashioned greed and excess. ... Officers who were permitted to approve actions on behalf of the top Army leaders had betrayed their trust."

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:14 am

    James, you are both delusional and pathetic. A scorned creature without shame. Knowing your past, why would you write this letter? I think you must still be irritated that you went to prison while Oliver North is glorified. North was a Lt. Col. right? I guess you can have solace in the fact that you are not the Lt. Colonel under your command who couldn't weasel his way out. I asked you and you chose to ignore the question regarding the man who bore the brunt of the punishment. Was his conviction overturned on a technicality also? Lt.'s must not have the juice that a full bird has. Hoe dare they let North get off.

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  • RichardFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:14 am

    Letter to DB Smith and Paddy-cakes mommies: This is a gentle reminder, as a divided inclusive community, I am reaching out to you, the adults, to talk to your child about respecting others’ views and seeing the Light in each community member and colleague despite differences of opinion. We in the community have found our young community members at times judging one another hardhly for each others political views or party references. This is relevant, of course, in relation to many issues in our community life, not just the election. Our children do mimic our adult behavior, and this is an excellent opportunity for each of us to express our views in a manner that is not insulting or demeaning of others.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:14 am

    Why is the Military training in U.S. cities? - HERE

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  • RichardFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:21 am

    Guess I should have included Steers and addressed it to his wife as well as his mommy.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:23 am

    "divided inclusive"? . . . Anyway, THIS fun, 2-minute video. Have a look and decide which "side" was doing the "respecting".

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:26 am

    By the way, did Richard get re-assigned by the democrat socialist? Is he now in charge of the Tea Party? Who's going after the NRA? Richard I got a crazy reality for you. Do you know what socialist democrat that you love is a member of the NRA? Harry Reid (gasp), more irony? Do you know who doesn't care for the NRA? Me...

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 7:46 am

    Ken, I answered your question previously about LTC Duncan -- again, he was restored to full active duty. I'm glad that (?) reminded me of my comment "Thank God for the Constitution." I know that all my Tea/Republican friends support the Second Amendment, and given they don't cherry pick the Constitution, they also support the Sixth Amendment which requires a speedy and public trial (neither of which I received). The Sixth Amendment protected me from the abuse of the government -- I know that Cookie, Paddy, DB, and even you Ken support the Constitution and therefore you support me for being protected from an overreaching and abusive government. By the way, Ollie was also protected by the Constitution so if you support him you must support me as we are birds of a feather. Both abused by the government, and it feels good to stand shoulder to shoulder with a Republican hero who took the fall for President Reagan. But, in the end Ken, you remain a very small man whose only claim to fame is that you have money.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:51 am

    Richard, I was starting out by enjoying a perfectly brewed cup of coffee this morning until I turned this thing on and saw you wrote mom a letter. I do live with my mom in that she lives in my house that was built by my hands and by my money. Both my lovely mother-in-law and grandmother lived here as well until they passed. I would suggest that you don't jest when it comes to mom. You begin a Psych Nurse and all makes me concerned about the patients that have to endure someone of your mental instability. The way you've jockey around the MD site using various names thinking you were smarter than the audience kinda quickly backfired in your pitiful little face, didn't it. It was so obvious and funny. Ha ~ looks like the Psych nurse got psyched. You remind of the "Psych Nurse Ratched". You remember the Cuckoo's Nest don't you? It's probably required movie viewing in your field of expertise. Damn...I truly feel for your patients. BTW ~ your rantings about the NRA, guns and Tea/Rep just solidifies my beliefs even more. Thank you for that. Reminder to whatever personality you are today...don't mess with mom and remember to take your medications. Now to the airport.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 7:52 am

    Oh, Evelyn, just because someone said it doesn't make it true.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:55 am

    Colonel, are you someone "famous" like OJ Simpson?

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:02 am

    Col Longhofer: Do you mean the part in the US Army War College's Report that reads: "Officers who were permitted to approve actions on behalf of the top Army leaders had betrayed their trust."

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:10 am

    Evelyn, some Constitutional Scholars say Gettysburg was the end of Constitutional government in the United States.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:14 am

    Yes, Evelyn, that part. No trust was violated. Everything in Special Operations was approved by the Army and the Department of Defense. Just one example, those who write these false reports and significant others went crazy when they found we have purchased a ship. They said we had usurped the highest levels by purchasing a ship (not a little boat, but a full sized ship) without authority. When I produced the letter, signed by the Secretary of Defense (C. Weinburger), authorizing the ship they all went suddenly quiet. The Pentagon is a jungle Evelyn, don't believe everything you read just because someone wrote it.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:16 am

    Cookie: They may well be correct. But for the purpose of the current discussion, perhaps could we settle on post-Civil War Constitutional government.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:18 am

    ***strike have, add had.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:19 am

    Yes, Col. Longhofer, there is much to disbelieve. Do you know if the monies stashed away in Swiss bank accounts were ever repatriated?

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:22 am

    Sniveling Whinebag, how come you can't even get recent history correct? obama was not elected by a majority of the people. He was (if you include all the people who voted for him 6 times) elected by a majority of voters. Even less votes than he recieved in 2008, but they pulled off enough vote fraud, including him getting 100% of the vote in places with 70% illiteracy for him to get four more years to impose his destructive leftists policies. If I am "anti" anything, I am anti-leftists. Wearing out meaningful and important words in order to shelter this first class fraud from any criticism is a long ago used up tactic that is no longer productive. Don't blame me because the American people regected obama and his distorted view of this country. Even with all the investment the leftist media has made to cover for him the American people know he has no good intentions for this country. Your leftist utopia is nothing more than equally shared misery and the American citizens won't stand for it.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:27 am

    James, just because obama chose to go to sleep and give the stand-down order does that mean Tryone Woods and Glen Doherty should have. Just because obama and I don't recall chose to use some stupid video as an excuse for the complete failure at their offices, does that mean everyone should have. Just because obama uses someone elses social security number does that mean everyone should?

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:32 am

    Evelyn, the money in Swiss bank accounts was alleged by one of LTC Duncan's subordinates who claimed he had the account numbers. He, a Department of Justice lawyer, and a FBI agent traveled to Europe and found there were no accounts. And, when all the shooting was over and the battleground quieted down, the Army determined there was no money missing from the special operations accounts. I learned early in the Army that stealing even $1.00 would do you in so I was always very careful in my money accounts. Any other questions from sources who really didn't know what they were talking about.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:33 am

    Thanks Phil, I'm glad to be home where I can expose the silly pathetic little leftists for the crybaby, selfish, hold their breath til their face turns red brats that they are. They make me sick. The most intolerant, self-absorbed, closed minded, emotionally disturbed, braindead, mental midget, halfwit, dependent excuses for humam beings on the planet.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:36 am

    Cookie, I've never commented on that subject because I have no knowledge of the facts. Lots of allegations around, but I have no basis to comment so I cannot.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:39 am

    Col Longhofer: Is it your position that the U.S. Army War College document is a lie?

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:41 am

    Cookie, don't hold back -- just say what you mean without reservation.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:43 am

    Evelyn, I'm saying that it is uninformed and therefore incorrect. I don't use the word lie lightly and reserve it for only a few individuals. Oh, and I enjoy your leading questions. Keep 'em coming.

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  • RichardFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:51 am

    A perfectly brewed cup of coffee, my house that was built by my hands and by my money and live with lovely family members. Sounds like a good life, but I don’t believe you. I think your real life is more in line with what was said to nurse Rats-ass’s patient, which I would guess applies to you, “DB, DB, what are you doing in here, you should be out bagging beaver and bull-dogging chicks.” And DB, Screw the NRA, it stands for nothing and is an embarrassment to our nation.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 9:02 am

    obama and I can't recall's fabrication on Benghazi continues to unravel. Imagine what the lefists media would be saying if it were Bush. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/wh-obama-called-hillary-night-benghazi-attack-more-six-hours-after-it-started

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:05 am

    Richard taking care of mentally ill patients like Nidal Malik Hasan, took care of war hero's with PTSD at Ft Hood. James defending psycho bigoted racist like Richard and Garon because he felt he was wronged by a Republican administration. It all makes sense. These people are not happy. They couldn't give a rat's ass about anyone else. Simply they are not happy.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 9:10 am

    That was a great video Evelyn. Exposing the leftists liars for the scum that they are. The greeks had words to describe how shameless liberalism is but sadly American english does not. Pure evil is about as close as we can get to describing it. It is astonishing how many citizens of the wealthiest, freest nation on earth lap it up at their own demise. The future is always predictable. The truth wins.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Evelyn, here is a video you may enjoy. It is sensitivity training at a huge expense to the taxpayers for the USDA. Done by a guy who is a complete Richard (nutcase). http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/jw-releases-confidential-usda-videos-revealing-cultural-sensitivity-training-program/

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:24 am

    Col Longhofer: You are flat-out exceedingly skilled at your craft.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:27 am

    Wow, I've missed a lot while working this morn. This thread has taken an ugly turn in the last 12 hours or so, what with people talking about folk's mommies and wives, accusations of lying and treachery, and worst of all...eating..........PEEPS! PEEPS, for crying out loud! James, I don't know what has driven you to the edge with a toe or two dangling over, but whatever it is, it's not THAT bad! Nothing should be so severe as to drive someone to PEEP ingestion. Next time you feel like doing it, call the hotline they set up for folks in your shoes; 1-800-NOPEEPS. They can help. And chocolate coating doesn't diminish the desperation of the act. My dad used to say of shiny little Japanese cars "You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd". Get some help James. Say it with me: "No More Peeps".

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Based on some of the revelations I read here James may be the voice of experience when it comes to this topic of not following orders. He is clearly the most qualified to write such a letter. So he may have a point about this being a dangerous message. We should all be good little sheeple and do what ever the leftists command. I am going to air up the tires on my bicycle so algore can have more fuel for he private jet and 100 ft. houseboat.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:33 am

    As for you Richurd, if you'd like to send a note to my Mom, type it up and give it to me, face to face, and I'll hand deliver it to her. You have quite a mouth while sitting behind the safety of your computer, but you've been offered to meet with myself and also DB in person to trade insults, but you won't do it. I'll be dining at the Forrester tonite around 5 or so if you're feeling brave for the first time. I'll be the guy with the great looking blonde ex-homecoming queen. You can't miss her. What do you say Richurd?

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Cookie: Material is disappearing from the Internet at an alarming rate. All 4 clips at the link you left have been taken down.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Paddy, OK, no more peeps. I wasn't looking for them, just came across them at the store and had never seen them chocolate coated. After eating mystery meat in Vietnam, I knew I had the right stuff to try one. Actually, not bad if you can get them fresh so you can chew through them. I only had one and am now on withdrawal.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 9:48 am

    Richard, speaking of standing for nothing and being an embarrassment to our nation. Did you see the party platform vote at the dim's national convention last year?

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 9:58 am

    Evelyn, I am not surprised. Leftism cannot exist where there is an informed citizenry. Keeping the masses dumbdown and ignorant is the only way for leftism to expand. They invented words like enlightenment because pseudo intellectual didn't sound appealing. Those who beleive they know what this regime is up to because of what the see and hear in the media are delusional at best and nothing more than useful idiots. But notice how far they will go to defend their blatant ignorance. It is scary to concider how many Richards there are in this country.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 10:00 am

    James, thank you very much for your heroism and service. The links and articles that I have listed were all written by leftist writers who were out to bring down a Republican administration. Hundred of articles on you before during and after. A War College Revue that you strongly disagree with. I have no doubt that you were doing what in your mind was "God's Work". Not unlike the Templar's during the crusades. The fact is that you blame the Republican administration. While all along it was the democrat socialist who called for your head. It is hard for you to stick with what you know and attack as you do with your past. Just in site using historical context to the other posters regarding how deep your hatred lies. Regarding my size or stature? Seriously on your best day I would have crushed you like a bug. As far as impact? A Latin phrase I use to my magnificent children when they are experiencing pressure that you should try. bona vita. Good life. It's their battle cry.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 21, 2013 - 10:08 am

    LINK - BECK's take on and audio of USDA taxpayer funded cultural “sensitivity training”

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 10:18 am

    Ken, I've seen your photograph and I know you're 'big' and could squeeze me like a bug if you sat on me, but have some mercy on a disabled veteran. My past, of which I'm most proud, will not detract me from attacking now or in the future. Yes, I am living the good life. All good things come to those who deserve it. Full disclosure: My daughter, who is a Vet in Virginia, doctors the dogs and animals of ----- wait for it -- Ollie North. Such a small world.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 21, 2013 - 11:10 am

    Boy, this is good stuff...**Bay Area Law Enforcement Encourages Fighting Back Against Active Shooters SAN JOSE (KPIX 5) – Law enforcement agencies have begun adopting a new policy on so-called “active shooters,” encouraging civilians to take safety into their own hands and take down gunmen who threaten them at work or school. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/02/21/bay-area-law-enforcement-encourages-fighting-back-against-active-shooters/

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 11:22 am

    Here is the typical leftist politicians doing their best to imitate aunt esther and reggie love's teabaggin' partner. They share the identical view of the producers and get re-elected by the least informed people in this country. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/stuff-gets-in-the-way/2013/02/19/e05eb9ea-7ad6-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 21, 2013 - 11:27 am

    paddy - re: good stuffI'm wondering would al-Qaeda fall under the clasification of “active shooters"

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 11:34 am

    Going to putter around a bit, have lunch and then rest my eyeballs for a nice nap. Yes, old people putter. Back later.

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 11:47 am

    IRAN-CONTRA: Congress, our elected representatives, did not support overthrowing the Nicaraguan government. To that end, the Boland Amendment was passed, cutting off funding for such an endeavor. The CIA knew better, though, and bypassed the legal restraints placed upon them. The eventual death toll: more than 70,000 political killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000 killed in the Contra war in Nicaragua.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 11:50 am

    The democrat socialist party of our county that represents the Democratic Party voter Is a cesspool of deviant bigoted racist who embrace a socialist utopia run by fear hatred and anarchy. They are parasites who can only survive by sucking the life energy from productive Americans who don't have the time or inclination to involve their short lives in the matter of politic. Tics who parish when their host parishes or rubs them off when they become unbearable.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    Ken, the historical facts surrounding leftism are once it destroys everything productive it eventually devours itself. It consumes all the wealth and creates two groups, the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor. One would have to be clueless beyond measure to buy into it in the year 2012. That is why they needed to take over education, to keep as many as possible clueless beyond measure. See Richard for an example.

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  • RichardFebruary 21, 2013 - 12:31 pm

    Since they kicked you off the Republican Central Committee Steers, do you refer to your self as just a tea bagger? How funny is that? How do you say to people with a straight face, I'm a tea bagger obstructionist fringe group member and I stand for absolutely nothing that would improve our nation.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 1:01 pm

    Richard, this is how well the leftist attack on the 2nd Amendment is going. You won't hear about it on msnbc where they have you believing you are a majority. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/02/20/westford-selectman-proposes-ban-on-assault-weapons/

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    The latest leftist attack on the Bill of Rights. http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/21/illinois-state-senator-pushes-anti-anonymity-bill/

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  • RichardFebruary 21, 2013 - 1:28 pm

    The shell-shocked Tea Party's faithful extremist following are becoming even more disturbed, deranged and dangerous. One of their newest memes is to try to bring up the possibility of assassination by suggesting it indirectly. Just how stupid are these people and what message is it sending to the next generation.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 1:42 pm

    Richard I will teabag you. You are a pathetic little creature aren't you. Now that we know who you are, I'll see you around.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 21, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    Change of plans Richurd; I'll be dining at the 50 Grand tonite around 5:00 PM. Care to join me and the missus? Love to meet you. ;/

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 21, 2013 - 2:59 pm

    Hey Paddy...Funny, I also have a reservation at 50 Grand tonight at 6:00 (Prime rib night)...But, will be getting there around 5:30 for a pre-dinner martini...Hope to meet ya...

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 21, 2013 - 3:02 pm

    Aaaah, prime night at the 50 Grand. Indeed. I'll be there R.J. BTW, the deep fried mushrooms are divine. Portobellos, not the little buttons.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 21, 2013 - 4:09 pm

    Richard, there is absolutely no reason for me to lie to you about anything. Ask your own self who's been using deception and lies around here. You know most have embarrassed themselves @ one time or another or said something they wish they hadn't, but OMG you seem to actually enjoy wallowing in the continued embarrassment of yourself. As a psych nurse who provides care for the innocent, you're displaying red flag tendencies that should be addressed soon, so please talk to your employer and wife about tweaking or changing your medications so that hopefully we can all achieve better results. And...did you get some kind of subliminal message suggesting that the Tea Party wants to assassinate someone. Who said that and who do they want to assassinate? It couldn't be Obama because that would just be a waste of ammo and it would leave Bimbo ("put you back in chains") Biden in charge. Anyway, the Obama machine has done the dirty deed to this country already and what is done is done. You know you should call your fantasy buddy FBI Agent Brown and tell him about the assassination plot you heard about.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 5:03 pm

    What the heck am I missing, what/where is the 50 Grand?

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  • DB SmithFebruary 21, 2013 - 5:28 pm

    Ken, the 50 Grand is a steak house w/good food and a nice little bar in Pollock Pines.

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  • clleaFebruary 21, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    Richard, I didn't know you were a psyche nurse! I haven't kept up. The posts sound more desperate and hateful now, and has had an affect on Hangtown visitors. It is obvious the Tea Party gang is feeling more anxiety. I hope they don't hurt themselves or anyone else with all this frustration. I got quite a history lesson from a life-long resident about the posting & posters on the MD. Ya know that musky smell you get when you walk into a very old building that has been closed up for a long time? Cookie, they could only keep you for a 72 hour hold? Richard, James, you are bigger than this. Why participate?

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 21, 2013 - 6:03 pm

    DB I forgot about that place. I haven't been there since I moved off Carson Rd. BTW is cltrus Richard?

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  • EvelynFebruary 21, 2013 - 6:10 pm

    cllea: Amazing to learn that Hangtown visitors rush to the comments section of the Mountain Democrat!!! Do you entertain a lot of out-of-town guests?

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  • clleaFebruary 21, 2013 - 6:32 pm

    Evelyn, do not know if anyone "rushes" to the MD. Yes, I usually do have visitors many times throughout the year, as well as the realtors I know have, until recently directed folks to the MD to get a feel for the area and its citizenship.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 21, 2013 - 6:46 pm

    Well the little woman is gone for a few days and I'm bored now. She was sweet and made me a fresh Tupper full of salad and "pigs (Nathan) in the blanket" When's the last time you had one of those bad boys? It seems weird tonight on the MD. Cllea, was that a positive or negative affect on our Hangtown visitors that you spoke about and maybe you could comment if you know something about the assassination threat Richard has mentioned? Colonel, can you believe 194 hits on your 3 sentence "Refuse to Follow Orders? letter. I wonder who the record holder is? Well time to eat a pignblanket while Paddy and RJ enjoy Prime Rib.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 21, 2013 - 7:33 pm

    DB, 50 Grand peaked 30 years ago when their Wednesday lobster special really was a meal . . . HUGE Australian tail . . . HUGE Your pigs in a blanket? Probably beat 50 Grand. BTW - Good woman!^)

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  • DB SmithFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:15 pm

    Phil, a few of us used to go up long ago and it was good then. Over the last few years we've gone for retirement parties and I don't drive home.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    "I got quite a history lesson from a life-long resident about the posting & posters on the MD". Since it wasn't all that long ago that algore invented the internet you must have gotten your life-long history lesson from a teenager. Leftist would be a least slightly more tolerable if they weren't so patently dishonet. I see where you were able to use the word all leftist cling to in their own Freudian way.... Hate. Do you have any idea how much unused space there is between your ears?

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:35 pm

    Why do I participate with this wild bunch? Well, have to have a couple of liberals or some might really go off the rails.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    Cllea, I save this for the "special" individuals I happen across, maybe it will help. Reach above your head with either your right or left hand. Feel around for a string or a small metal chain. It may have a tiny bell shaped piece of brass or tin on the end. If you find it, gently pull down (towards you) on it. A light will come on; don’t be frightened, that is what is supposed to happen. It may hurt your eyes as first but that will pass quickly. Now that the light is on look around the 3ft by 3ft closet you are in for a round object on one of the walls at about bellybutton height. The object you are looking for is about the same width of an EBT card. It protrudes out from the wall several inches and can be made of metal or some kind of material that looks like glass or crystal. The metal ones tend to be brass or antique brass in color. When you find it reach out with one of your hands, it won’t hurt you. Once you have grabbed it you can turn it either to the right (clockwise) or to the left (counter clockwise). I am assuming you have seen a clock that is not digital. It won’t turn far before it releases a latch that will allow the wall to move. Once you have accomplished this push the wall open and step out of the closet and join the rest of us in reality.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:41 pm

    Paddy ..Where were you!!...I showed up early to the 50 Grand and told the bartender I was looking for "PADDY O'FURNITURE" she said "of course you are dear"....Then, I sat in the bar for another hour sipping one Martini after another asking everyone who passed if they had seen "PADDY O'FURNITURE" most didn't reply or even make eye contact....Then, during my delicious prime rib while surrounded by dinner guests, I just couldn't take it any longer, so I jumped up in the middle of the very crowded restaurant and yelled "PADDY O'FURNITURE".... I almost left in handcuffs....My wife thinks I lost my mind, still not talking to me....Thanks a lot.......

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    R.J., Paddy keeps it low level -- he was probably at the next table.

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  • cookie65February 21, 2013 - 8:47 pm

    Cllea, if you catch a wiff of that musty smell everywhere you go.. it may not be the building. Do any stray dogs follow you around?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    204!

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    Things are slow on Thursday nights.

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  • clleaFebruary 21, 2013 - 9:40 pm

    They let you out too soon, Cookie. Not good to skip meds, mister. The life-long residents know more than me about the climate of the MD or El Dorado County than I do was all that was meant, but of course, you have to bend.

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  • R ichardFebruary 21, 2013 - 10:00 pm

    I recall several months ago when the NRA sponsored “Gun Appreciation Day.” An event created by right winger with penis issues, and so called because “Insensitivity To First Graders Being Slaughtered Wholesale Day” doesn’t roll as glibly off the tongue. It also gives the game away, but I digress. At gun shows across the country, the hicks and goobers lined up to look at and buy all sorts of guns, and more guns and still more guns instead of getting the roof fixed, buying a used truck less than eight years old, or saving up for Billy Bob’s and Jolene’s tuition at the junior college that might have allowed them to not work at Walmart as adults. The NRA, what can one say about such an organization other than, screww the NRA.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:55 am

    207 . . .

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:17 am

    208...True, but I think if we were to minus out all the nonsense, gibberish, stuff off topic and things people should have just tweeted to their BFF's, the grand total of posts would probably be around 18..LOL

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:37 am

    RJ, don't know if you're still watching this thread, but I was there last night. We were a little later than I hoped. Was pretty crowded for so early-I guess not everybody has as low an opinion of the p[lace as Phil does. Partway thru dinner I saw a group of six some in from the bar, some of whom had martinis. Were seated over past the fireplace. Thought that might have been your group. Phil says the place peaked 30 years ago-maybe so. The ambiance is a bit dated-I don't think they've updated since the fire. Regardless, still one of the best steakhouses in the area. Melt in your mouth prime rib, and an awesome ribeye. And did I mention the deep fried 'shrooms? We should have a gathering of MD LTE commenters there. The conservatives may have to pay for the Libs though, since they're so dependent on handouts. I'll buy for Richurd. Don't thing he showed last nite.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:38 am

    210 btw. Is that a record?

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:43 am

    Paddy: I'll come. But as I remain a liberal, you'll have to pay. Thank you for the offer!!! Seriously, I think many of us have lots in common, despite divisive labeling tendencies.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:43 am

    Paddy, I luv ya, man, but yer nuts - stark raving NUTS! There'd be a food fight fur shur. And, yes, the beef is great, but the hook used to be GIGANTIC lobster. GONE. sad. - (211)

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:46 am

    correction - 213

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:48 am

    On this rarest of occasions (mark today's date!), I must agree with Phil. It is true that 30-40 years ago the lobsters were HUMONGOUS. But I'm guessing that at today's prices none of us "ordinary people" could afford them. And possibly 50 Grand can't even obtain them.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 8:57 am

    Any gun control laws have to pass the House. As the Republicans control the house, how could any law seizing or restricting weapons become law. Am I missing something? Background checks and magazines holding 5,000 rounds will be it.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:59 am

    Geez, forget the lobster you two-CRAB's better'n lobster. But it's the BEEF that you go to a steak house for-BEEF, I say!. The $17.95 Thursday nite prime rib is excellent, and the Ribeye is even better. BEEF, peeps!

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:00 am

    Rudy's Hide-a-way has a big lobster thing. Don't remember the price, but it was substantial.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:06 am

    Have you seen those magazines holding 5,000 rounds? Really big. You have to have a golf cart to carry them requiring firing of the weapon from the golf cart. Kind of a mini-tank. OK, I jest.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:09 am

    219 - out

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:12 am

    Paddy..Phil says the place peaked 30 years that's probably why I like it so much, I also peaked 30 years ago...Anyway, yeah that was us...P.S. Thanks for the suggestion, those fried mushrooms were to die for.....

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:22 am

    R.J. and Paddy. Next time both of you wear red baseball caps and you will be able to locate each other in 50grand.

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:24 am

    Paddy: Agreed about eating beef at a steak house, which in any case happens to be my preference. Book a table. Tell 50 Grand space is required for 0-10 people. Who knows how many would show? Perhaps the Mt. Dem. would come and memorialize the Commenters' Confab.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:32 am

    Hey James..It's a good idea, but I'm 6'2" 280lbs covered in tattoos, and I dress like charlie Sheen..A red baseball cap might just be over-kill...LOL

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:33 am

    This thread is about 95% guns, yet no comments about the House having to pass restrictive gun laws? Best they will pass is stronger background checks and limit magazine size. If so, why all the agitation about Obama kicking in your door and taking your gun from your cold dead hands? Anyone? Anyone out there? Has the world ended? Hello?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:40 am

    James would you like me to scribe a nice letter to the Editor concerning Liberals and overzealous gun control??...I mean someting that you can really sink your teeth into??...I will

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:42 am

    James I don't have any 5,000 round magazines. 500 is my biggest ;^). The question is: if they pass a registration law to the effect of : "Bring in your guns so we can register them and do a BG check on you, and turn in all your 'high capacity' magazines", and I don't comply, will they then come kick my door in? And I though you were tired of this issue...

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:44 am

    R.J., thank God, I thought I was the last person left in the world. No, no letter required -- actually, I am quite neutral on the gun thing, given I don't know what the answer is. Just interested that no one has mentioned that any gun restrictions would have to pass the House.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Paddy, I never said I was tired of the issue, only that I don't know the "right" solution. If the Republican House passes such a law, still don't think they will kick your front door down. Probably flash grenades in the windows and then get you coming of the back door.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:49 am

    ***strike of, add out.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:56 am

    James has indeed said he was tired of this issue, but brings it up in face of discussion of steakhouses. I now know why. James is closet vegetarian. James is a vegetarian! James is a vegetarian! James is a vegetarian! All this talk of steak and seafood is making him ill.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 10:02 am

    Paddy, on this one you're wrong. I have never said I was tired of this issue -- you must have me confused with someone else that said it. No, I'm not a veggie, but instead beef, pork, chicken, fish, massive junk food, but no mutton. And sometimes veggie sides to all the above (well, no veggies with junk food). And, bananas, oranges, and sometimes apples and grapes.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 10:06 am

    R.J., I like your use of the word scribe rather than write. Well done.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 10:11 am

    Mortons and Ruths Chris have excellent steaks. BTW, I was also impressed by the steak I had at the Snooty Frog in Cameron Park. Anyway, who would win in a steak cook off? Mortons, Ruths Chris, or 50grand?

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    Paddy -- I'm game for a commenter confab and prime rib dinner. Given every click brings the MD income, and we generate a lot of clicks, they should consider contributing to the bill.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    Kirk, let's do it. Not sure if the MD would contribute, but I'll bet they'd send an emissary to report on it, and to see if the Food Fight that Phil predicted would actually occur. The 50 Grand has a banquet hall, so at least the shrapnel would be confined and no innocents would be harmed.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:46 pm

    We could also do it at Ruth's Chris, but I would not be able to carry the bill for any Libs. Too pricey a place and I'm too much of a skinflint. Never even been to Ruth's but I've heard it an experience.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    Hey...Maybe the Colonel could pay for all the Lib's...It's the Colonel's letter and comment thread....Plus, he's probably got a mattress stuffed full of $$$$$ at home he doesn't even know what to do with....And, it's only right that if this thread reaches 240 posts he pay for everybody..Thanks James...Oh yeah, and, cocktails too..LOL.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 22, 2013 - 1:37 pm

    Paddy -- I'm there, we just need to pick a time and place. I'd prefer the 50G for its local roots and phunky atmosphere (or so I've heard...never been there myself) over a slick cookie cutter chain mill. I agree about the MD and the check, and the potential for an emissary; I'd like to meet Mr Daley and/or Ms Lakey...the rest of the big shots not so much.

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:29 pm

    I'm also a skinflint and Paddy now is refusing to pay for me, so please somewhere affordable. 50 Grand is great. The MD can send any unarmed (no tape recordings) emissary of their choosing. If it's to be a Wednesday (prime rib night), please not this coming week, 'cause I can't.

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:42 pm

    Woops. Got my weeks mixed up. I'm good for this next Wednesday if it's to be 50 Grand.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:49 pm

    240 - SOMEBODY!!!kill this zombie thread . . . please?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:55 pm

    No offense, but being only 57 years old and trapped at a dinner table with a bunch of highly-opinionated old folks sounds sorta unpleasant to me...Besides, old people smell funny....I volunteer to sit in the bar and watch from there....LOL...

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 22, 2013 - 3:12 pm

    RJ -- maybe we can have a kiddie table for us yung'uns.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    Old people smell funny? R.J., need it or not I shower every Sunday. If we gather on a Wednesday I'll still be fairly fresh.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 3:37 pm

    OK, I'll get a hold of myself and hope that my little guy will recover after the spleen removal. For those that held my hand for a moment (Ken and Cookie), thank you. Phil, I've figured out why old people smell: If they shower and change clothes daily, they will smell just as sweet as you, assuming you shower and change clothes daily.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 4:10 pm

    Thursday is Prime Rib nite at the 50G. And at 5:00-6:00, it's mostly the more "seasoned" folk there. It smelled okay last nite :^), didn't it RJ?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 4:37 pm

    Paddy...Yeah Thursdays...Plus, I was just kidd'in around, 50K is wonderful...I was just trying to get a little rise out of the senior crowd here on-line......And, I'll attend your MD blogger "Meet & Greet" thingy, but I'm outta there the second James pops his teeth out and starts "gumming" his Prime rib.....

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 4:40 pm

    R.J., I won't be able to attend as I'm ill. Serious, but I hope to survive for a few more years to raise a little heck on this site. Not to worry about my dentures -- I currently have nine dental implants and going for more if needed, so will never have dentures. I joke that I have the price of a new car in my mouth.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 4:43 pm

    James...Get well soon!!....

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  • James E. LonghoferFebruary 22, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    And no, you cannot attend my funeral as I'm heading to Arlington National Cemetery. Understand that full colonels get the full horse drawn thingee. What a way to go out. But, not to worry, may take a few more years.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 4:47 pm

    But, it's still OK to call me a Socialist/Marxist, Fascist/Liberal Obama lover. No need to hold back.

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:21 pm

    Am preparing for the Commenters' Confab. Went out and bought a bar of soap. Now to de-louse and and find some clean clothes!

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    James: Am very sorry about your health news. Please accept my apology for all and sundry -- but particularly, recent -- harassment. To you I offer a handshake and a salute. Take care. I really do regret that you won't be with us next Thursday. We'll raise a glass to you.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    I think we should wait till the colonel can make it. That way, if there is a food fight, at least one amongst us will behave.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    Paddy -- while I agree it would be a shame that Mr Longhofer would miss this little soiree, this doesn't have to be the only one. And James, if you need *anything*, no matter how menial, say the word and I'll be there to help. My email address is kirkwmackenzie@yahoo.com.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    Kirk, thank you for your most gracious offer but I'm fine.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 23, 2013 - 8:40 am

    Colonel, I just read about your pet and your illness and I am sincerely sorry to hear all that. Anyway, while your on the mend, if you need any help around the house just let me know and I'll give you a hand. Yes this is a serious offer because I know you and ladders don't like each other:)

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 8:50 am

    DB, thank you for your generous offer. I'm fine, but will yell help if it ever comes to that.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 24, 2013 - 2:24 pm

    Paddy, I’ve been cornered by a member of this forum. She “insists” that th’ Missus and I attend th’ food fight at 50 Grand next Thursday. Is this wise?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 24, 2013 - 2:46 pm

    Of course you should go Phil. You're one who mentioned food fight in the first place right? As for me, I had mentioned Thursday nights cause that's prime rib night, but I can't do this particular Thursday since it's my wife's b'day. You all let me know how it was and I'll join you's at the next one.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 24, 2013 - 2:55 pm

    Wuss! I smell a fabrication. Are you hiding behind the ol' "wife's b'day excuse"???

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  • 50PlusFebruary 24, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    Veerkamp and Evelyn, will you each be having Prime Rib?

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 4:07 pm

    Can't speak for Veerkamp (!!!) but, YES to the prime rib for me.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 24, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    OK. I'll try a prime rib. But I'll still be thinking HUGE lobster of yesteryear . . . sniff, sniff . . . .

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    50Plus: Your first CHANGE ORDER. 3xPrimeRib. Veerkamp doesn't get a choice. (That's ONE for me and TWO for Veerkamp, who's bringing his better half -- true statement!!!)

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 24, 2013 - 5:51 pm

    No fabrication Phil. The 28th has been her b'day every year, since as long as I've know her. She was almost a leap year baby at that. She'd only be 1/4th her age if she'd been born a day later...

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 26, 2013 - 12:43 pm

    I assume we're still on for Thursday evening, 5pm @50 Grand. Is the banquet room reserved, or do we need individual reservations?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 26, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    Kirk, I will be th' one in th' tux. Please, give my Bentley wide birth.

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  • DeeFebruary 26, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    Phil-Please forgive me but I can't resist.------First-It is your chauffeur's responsiblity to navigate your Bently, not Kirk's. -------And second you seem to be a landlubber.---- Browse phrases beginning with: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T UV W XYZ - Full List -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A wide berth------- Meaning A goodly distance------.origin --------- 'Wide berth' is most commonly found in the phrases 'keep a wide berth of', 'give a wide berth to' etc. It was originally a nautical term. We now think of a ship's berth as the place where the ship is moored. Before that though it meant 'a place where there is sea room to moor a ship'. This derives in turn from the probable derivation of the word berth, i.e. 'bearing off'. When sailors were warned to keep a wide bearing off something they were being told to make sure to maintain enough sea room from it. Like many seafaring terms it dates back to the heyday of sail, the 17th century. An early use comes from the redoubtable Captain John Smith in Accidental Young Seamen, 1626: "Watch bee vigilant to keepe your berth to windward."---------My useless trivia for the day, matey.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 26, 2013 - 3:36 pm

    Dee - picky, picky, picky!!! - Will you be dining with us?

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 26, 2013 - 3:43 pm

    I just talked with the 50 Grand and the Banquet Room has not been reserved. I guess we're dining separately.

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  • DeeFebruary 26, 2013 - 4:19 pm

    Phil-Not this time but I think Evelyn deserves kudos for organization of social events.

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  • Kirk MacKenzieFebruary 28, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    My wife and I are bailing...5pm doesn't work for her and she'd rather go someplace else...she won some award last night so it's her call. Maybe next time. Enjoy!

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