Friday, April 18, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Demographic problem

EDITOR:

In response to Mr. Bado’s reasoning in eliminating 2nd Amendment rights of lawful citizens, it is nothing more than a mainstream liberal media talking point regurgitation of misinformation. A couple points, first the 2nd Amendment is a right given to us by our God in Heaven, not some fraud government. Nobody can take that away from the citizens of the United States. Second, you make the claim that your view of what an assault weapon is is clearly wrong. California does not permit assault weapons to be sold in the state of California. The weapons you mistakenly claim to be assault weapons have been modified to be nothing more than really cool looking sporting rifles. They do not have functional magazine releases, they cannot be fit with magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammo and they do not have a bayonet lug. Those are the primary characteristics of an assault weapon. The current cool looking sporting rifle you refer to is California’s number one choice for hunting and for target shooting. And they look really cool. I also see you reference Oakland and East LA. My, my, I was born in East LA in a time when it was a very safe area. My grandmother and I used to walk to Downtown LA to a drug store and enjoy their soda fountain. Those days appear to be gone forever. And for what reason? The following crime rates directly from the Chicago Police Department (murder capital of America which has outlawed guns) may shed a bit of light for the unenlightened average MSNBC Chris Matthews viewer:

Demographics
White — 31.7 percent
Black — 31.4 percent
Hispanic — 32.4 percent
Asian — 7 percent

Murders in Chicago
White — 2.8 percent
Black — 75 percent
Hispanic — 21.8 percent
Asian — 0 percent

Clearly, we in this nation do not have a gun problem, we have a demographic problem brought on by liberal policies that direct these high crime cities, fatherless families, drugs, and general lack of any quality of formal education to pull themselves out of poverty. I look at this as a complete failure of the federal government and liberal policies that keep generational welfare intact in these morally diseased areas. In closing I am providing Mr. Bado a simplified version of the Bill Of Rights granted to Americans by our Founding Fathers, and no Mr. Bado, the Constitution is not a living, breathing document. It is set in stone for a reason, and that reason is to keep people like yourself and others from modifying the true intent in the founding of the United States of America. And that includes you also, Mr. Obama.

The Bill of Rights For Simple Minds:

1st Amendment — We can say whatever we want and believe whatever we want, and the government has no say in it.
2nd Amendment — We have the right to defend ourselves from the government and criminals using firearms.
3rd Amendment — Soldiers and policemen can’t just bust into your house like they own the joint and crash there.
4th Amendment — Police can’t just search people randomly, go through their stuff, ask for their papers, and all that business.
5th Amendment — The government can’t just take stuff or lock people up without a trial.
6th Amendment — Trials have to be speedy and fair.
7th Amendment — People have a right to be judged by other folks who can understand them.
8th Amendment — Judges can’t just straight up rip people off or do cruel and unusual stuff to them.
9th Amendment — Just because it isn’t written down here, doesn’t mean people don’t have other rights.
10th Amendment — If the Constitution doesn’t say that the government can do something, it can’t do it. The people and the states have all the powers not otherwise given to the federal government.

We in this nation do not have a gun problem, we have a demographic problem fed by liberal, Democrat policies keeping people on their plantation.

DALE KIRKPATRICK
El Dorado Hills

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 07, 2013 - 3:24 pm

    Very well said Dale. An important point to emphasize; the 2nd Amendment does not confer upon the citizenry "the right to keep and bear arms". This right predated the Constitution. It says this right "shall not be infringed upon". The right is God given, and to a free people. It's called Liberty, and Liberty is not granted by our government.

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  • arnold langeJanuary 07, 2013 - 6:36 pm

    owning a gun is a god given right? what kind of god are you worshipping, or more to the point, what kind of drugs are you taking there dale? i have read some truly ignorant statements in this newspaper and dale's belief that god himself wrote the bill of rights is up there at the top. question, if god wrote the bill of rights does that mean it is equal to the ten commandments? then the stupidity of blaming all the problems on liberal democrats is just ubsurd (and this weeks talking points making the rounds in the rightwing blogoshpere).

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  • MorrisJanuary 08, 2013 - 6:50 am

    Mr. Kilpatrick,  As we say in my native North Carolina, 'I've no dogs in your hunt'.  But what I do have is a home in  the Lakeshore  neighborhood of downtown  Chicago. (And one here in the 'hood that is greater metro Georgetown) The information you cite about Chicago is largely taken out of context and in some cases incorrect.  And what isn't incorrect or context-deficient is misleading. Conveniently so. Yes, murder is up in The City. Chicago too. Just so happens to be up in most all major metros; something that indeed tends to happen in part because of downward economic cycles. Other factors of course apply; wack jobs will be wack jobs no matter the ink on the balance sheets. (but well funded mental health programs and police departments are far more effective when   proactively serving vs the  forced reactive - and more expensive - approach that follows funding cuts. ) Chicago isn't perfect by any means but is generally  proactive. Our highly visible and well equipped police do an amazing job of keeping the 5 million of us + the 1 million tourists + the  3 million commuters safe on that thin strip of land hugging Lake Michigan and the Chicago River.  Which, by the way, one can walk anytime of the day or night  without - for the most part - any issues. From The Loop to Uptown to even Cabrini Green...it's safer than a walk around  Sacramento. And infinitely cleaner. If you knew The City of which you attempt to quote numbers and statistics, you would know that Chicago is a city of neighborhoods; 77 of them. Each unique. Each in many ways is a small city itself. Every language, country, religion, custom and food has a sub-section of one or more of those 77.  Most are squeezed onto the North Side. A sizable but smaller number are on the South Side. Divided loosely by the river and the latter part of The Loop, The North and South could easily be considered two distinct cities with two wholly different profiles of crime and crime rates.  Specifically, the South Side is where most of your 'numbers' come from and a place many wish to actually BE from.  This is our  Harlem, our Watts and our Compton...only larger and more crowded. This is where the failed social policies of herding the poor into towers of neglect have put up those big numbers as the economy cuts loose factory jobs, dockworkers and housekeepers. Again. This is where  community activism and responsibility began to fade several recessions ago.  Again. President Obama gave much in his younger days to this community and to the low numbered blocks of South Loop you can see the legacy.  Walk it. Enjoy it. But few others stepped up since and from 24th to 119th...you can see it. Hear it. Smell it. Contained misery. Chicago could have been another Detroit and rather looks it from 24th up number.  However, the city piled massive amounts of cash and public works initiatives into the North Side beginning several recessions ago. With all the galleries, luxury high-rise apartments, stores, 30 dollar hamburger places and renovated 3 story greystones generating revenue, its like Manhattan only without the pesky urine smell. Night. Day. North. South. So it might interest you to know that while guns are illegal on either side of town (trust me, a good thing when trying to get on the Red Line after a Cubs home game and liquor festival lets loose 30,000 drunk white dudes from the suburbs)  So is spray paint. But guess what: one side has few violent crimes and is quite safe  and largely graffiti free. The other side is a nightmare of crime and blight. And guns. Lots of guns; graffiti and murder stats. No machine shops tho. Sure hope the gangbangers never get calipers or a lathe. Or materials. Or skill....Yet STILL the south side with it's far lower and less compacted population has those guns and murder numbers.  So when you look at what works for the larger, more populated and compressed area one might be inclined to say 'gun control' works. Especially since guns have been outlawed for some time now; during record low crime years in fact. But I'm not that naive. What I think works is this: Hope. Jobs. Not being born black. Education. Drug treatment. Role Models. People who volunteer instead of b****ing their relatively advantaged raised non impoverished mouths about 'morally diseased' people livin large off of 200 in food stamps and a cheap nasty apartment in a war zone. They need college direction,  Faith. Fathers. Family. Essentially, the lives that this and every other white boy on the hill has been lucky enough - no matter how poor or challenging - to have been blessed with. The affluent North Side has plenty of these basic defense weapons. No guns really needed unless Michigan decides a cross pond  invasion someday.  The South Side? Everything there is in short supply except guns, alcohol and drugs.  There is far more to  understand about the dynamics of Chicago before one can even begin to accurately quote and interpret the numbers or percentages on crime. I do not know if gun control works or if it fails. I support ownership of handguns and hunting rifles. I support automatic rifles for hunting only if the bears,  deer and mountain lions are also range certified for same. Turkey no. Too ghetto like. Until then, if my bow or .270 can't take it to the smoker then I suck and don't deserve a tag. Or jerky. Automatics to hunt.... Like painting a damn barn door with a sump pump.  All I know is that here in EDC, I have weapons and have had to draw them twice. On people. Can't say for the city since illegal but I've never actually seen a crime on the North Side.  So at the risk of being rude, your only understanding of Chicago is your misunderstanding.  In fact, your use of those numbers to make your point doesn't. It paints a distorted picture with a sump pump to favor your argument to own 'cool' weapons. Weapons are not cool. They are designed, built and intended for only the purpose of destroying that which one is sighted and fired upon. This is serious duty of either task-efficient equipment and capable  operation or total failure. 'Cool' is simply  inappropriate and lacking in maturity. Lib or Con,  pro or con, gun control isn't an easy argument across either camp and I don't profess to know the correct answer if there even is one. 'Looking really cool' isn't one.  Probably isn't one to be found on Fox or MSNBC either. (don't watch TV so guessing on this one)  But I do know Chicago. You do not.  And dude...please don't go near the South Side should you visit. Grow up first.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 08, 2013 - 8:12 am

    You missed the point Arnie, the Constitution and Bill of Rights recognize God as the ultimate authority in human activities and therefore restrain the government from being restrictive on the citizenry. Their purpose is to recognize that we are born free and should remain free from government oppression. The 2nd Amendment does not give us the right to own guns; we have that already by nature of the fact that we are free. Rather, it reinforces our right to own guns and specifically rejects the idea that the government should have the power to infringe on that right. These points are hard to swallow if you hate guns though, and easy enough to dismiss by saying our founding documents are old and outdated. Thing is, the founding fathers understood human nature and specifically the nature of humans in positions of power, and though the documents may be old, they are still relevant since human nature itself doesn't change.

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  • arnold langeJanuary 08, 2013 - 10:46 am

    patio pinhead... the only one to refer to me as arnie is ken steers. ken is that you? god did not write the bill of rights or constitution. man did. god did not grant the right to own a gun. man did. god did not create america to usher in a new era. man did. america was not singled our for special blessing by god as certain zeolots claim he did. hiding behind god to validate the actions of man is a fool's errand. just ask al-queda or the taliban. they believe they have the blessing of god too.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 08, 2013 - 2:28 pm

    Okay Arnie Arsehole, let me get this straight, you believe a free man's rights are granted him by other men?

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  • Arnold LangeJanuary 09, 2013 - 9:35 am

    I think my previous comment spells it out plainly padly fernitcher. back to dale's letter, do you think our government is a fraud? if so, why?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 09, 2013 - 6:11 pm

    The "government" isn't a fraud, the current administration is Archie. And our rights, such as the rights to life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, are not granted by the government or anyone else. Rights are unalienable and come our Creator.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 8:11 am

    Not even the right to speak is absolute. Justice Antonin Scalia explained in 2008 that “offers to provide or requests to obtain child pornography are categorically excluded from the First Amendment.” By my lights, “offers to provide or requests to obtain” child pornography are to the First Amendment what “offers to provide or requests to obtain” semiautomatic rifles with 10- 100 round magazines, without so much as a background check, are to the Second Amendment.

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 8:15 am

    Richard, is it true that background checks are not required?

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Yesterday I asked whether gun control proponents favor enactment by Executive Order. I'm still wondering.

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 8:19 am

    . . . as for the right of free speech, that is long dead and gone.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Evelyn, I’m certain you all ready know the answer or can easily find it; background checks do not occur every time a weapon is sold. Private sales by unlicensed dealers at gun shows, for example, go unaccounted, as would a permit-carrying American’s purchase of additional firearms, and this I believe is where the big problem lays. I feel confident that President Obama’s Administration well soon put an end to this loop hole along with issue that currently no national data base is maintain listing owners with multiply weapons, which is hard to believe but true. Additionally, I didn’t realize free speech was long dead, maybe its just when you really don’t have much to say , knowbody wants to listen….……

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:28 am

    Richard: 1. My own propaganda to the contrary, there's a lot I don't know about guns and gun control! One of the many things I don't know about and was too lazy to look up concerns background checks. 2. The only people who don't know that free speech is long dead are those who have adopted politically correct speech. Guaranteed: one could get arrested for standing on Main Street USA and speaking freely while posing no threat to the public or advocating violence. As for those "free speech zones" at Presidential Nominating Conventions, I was dumb struck the first time I learned of them. Since WHEN are there "free speech zones", and do we still have any?

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:30 am

    P.S. Do you favor enactment of gun control by Presidential Executive Order?

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:34 am

    P.P.S.S. I will further guarantee you, Richard, that excellent arguments relevant to the impending gun control are being withheld precisely because free speech is dead and gone.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Evelyn, the only way that common sense gun control will not be approved is if Furniture’s ceartor comes down to earth and stands in the way. With (round numbers) 85 thousand accidental deaths from fire arms last year, an additional 16,000 suicides plus 100,000 injuries and 10,000 plus homicides, I don’t think that’s going to happen. And if it does I would start looking for something new to worship.

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:08 am

    . . . which would be Presidential Executive Order?

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:14 am

    BTW . . . Richard, please give your source for the figures quoted in your above 10:06 am comment. Thanks.

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  • Paddy O'funritureJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:14 am

    Evelyn, Gun Control by presidential executive order is not legal. The executive order is not a legal means of passing legislation. Anti-2nd Amendment types really have very little options here, which is why there is so much emotion being spilled.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:26 am

    TODAYS weather in Placerville: 27 degrees Clear, Wind N at 0 mph, Humidity 93%

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:29 am

    Richard, are you being evasive?

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Paddy: I raise the issue of gun control via Executive Order because VP Biden himself is suggesting this possible route. Regarding EXECUTIVE ORDERS: "The President and others in the Executive branch of the government can and do write law. This is done in the form of Presidential Executive orders, National Security Council memos, National Security Decision directives, and National Security directives. … Presidential Executive orders are listed in the Federal Register or Presidential Findings, which are made known to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. The most important difference between the Presidential Executive orders and all of the others, no matter what they are called, is that the … Justification of the President's power to write law through Executive orders stems from the failure of the Government to rescind the declaration of martial law during the Civil War."

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:36 am

    IGNORE the above re EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Replace with the following. ********** "The President and others in the Executive branch of the government can and do write law. This is done in the form of Presidential Executive orders, National Security Council memos, National Security Decision directives, and National Security directives. … Presidential Executive orders are listed in the Federal Register or Presidential Findings, which are made known to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. … Justification of the President's power to write law through Executive orders stems from the failure of the Government to rescind the declaration of martial law during the Civil War."

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:43 am

    To date, Barack Obama has issued 146 Executive Orders; George W Bush: 291; William Jefferson Clinton: 308.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:48 am

    Yes, Evelyn, laws are made that way, but to repeal a Constitutional Amendment is a different story. There are specific procedures spelled out for amending the Constitution and XOs are not among them. If what Biden is referring to goes as far as a legally defined infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights, he's talking about an end-run around the Constitution. I appreciate your diligent research.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:49 am

    Evelyn, please be very careful how you respond on this string. My are admitted felons. For instance Richard owns an illegal SKS with a detachable magazine and is trying to buy more clips. And he doesn't want anyone else to have access to their firearms. PROCEED WITH CAUTION.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:53 am

    Arnold Lange, isn't being born in America a constitutional and god given right? We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. I know I know, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

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  • EvelynJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:56 am

    Paddy: I didn't realize up for grabs was actual repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Huh??? ********** Ken: I'm starting to wonder who Richard actually IS. The best new argument he's put forth recently is a weather report!!!

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  • PamJanuary 11, 2013 - 11:29 am

    The 2nd Amendment and gun control are really hot topics that I'm sure not everyone will come to agreement on. The misinformation generated in these heated letters is enough to confuse most everyone. First of all...when someone buys a gun, whether handgun or long-gun there is ALWAYS a back ground check and wait period, especially in California. Even if the weapon were purchased at a "gun show" the purchaser fills out the appropriate paperwork, the paperwork is then sent to the proper authorities for the background check. You can't go to a "gun show" and just walk out with a weapon. As for those assault weapons everyone is afraid of, I own a semi-automatic 22 long rifle that could be considered an assault weapon. It only contains 10 rounds but it can should rather quickly. AK 47s, Uzis, machine guns etc are illegal to purchase here in California. My second point...to all who feel every gun in every city, county and state should be confiscated and destroyed...How Ya Going to do that? And if you could do that how about all the criminals, gang bangers and just really nasty people that have guns? Do you really, in all common sense and intelligently believe they will give up their weapons? Walk up to one and tell them you are there to confiscate their weapons and see what happens. How about their ability to go to say, Canada, China, Russia, Mexico and get more weapons..how's that going to work? Would I just shoot someone for the sport of it? NO. But----I will shoot someone who is a threat and a danger to my life or the lives of the ones I love. There would be no hesitation. What would you no gun people do if there was someone with a knife to the throat of your child or grandchild? Try to reason with him? If you don't like guns then don't own one. It's is not your place to try and take someone elses weapons because you are afraid of them. Gun violence? Look at the kind of people doing it. There's your answer.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 11:55 am

    Yes, Evelyn, laws are made that way, but to repeal a Constitutional Amendment is a different story. There are specific procedures spelled out for amending the Constitution and XOs are not among them. If what Biden is referring to goes as far as a legally defined infringement of our 2nd Amendment rights, he's talking about an end-run around the Constitution.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 12:04 pm

    Hey Rich(ard), I've got a proposal for you. Since you're a gun owner and at the same time seemingly a gun hater, and since you don't want ME to have a gun, why don't you turn yours in? You want me to be defenseless, so how about you go first? Put up or shut up. Email Chris Daley, and tell him to meet you at the Sheriff's department at such and such a time so he can verify and report on a "responsible gun owner putting his money where his mouth is". You can remain anonymous (after all, you wouldn't want to advertise to the thugs in the area that yours is a gun-free home), and you will at least appear to be a man of your word, a man of true conviction! A man of Action! Anybody else think Rich(ard) ought to do this? We'll await your response with baited breath.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 12:15 pm

    Ramblings of an extremest.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 12:18 pm

    You’re wrong Pam; you have fallen victim to misinformation from organizations like the NRA. Current federal law requires criminal background checks only for guns sold through licensed firearm dealers, which account for just 60% of all gun sales in the United States. A loophole in the law allows individuals not “engaged in the business” of selling firearms to sell guns without a license—and without processing any paperwork. That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check. This fact agreed upon by all government agencies including the ATF, FBI, federal, state and local law enforcement. Additionally, I don’t think you understand just what a AK 47, Uzis, machine guns, AR-15, SKS are capably of, most all can be converted to automatic or magazines added that increase the fire power of the weapon to insane numbers, illegal or not. With 12 billion bullets manufactured last year and sales of semi-automatic weapons on the increase, what’s it going to be like for law enforcement and the general public in 20 years? Gun control needs to be enacted now, its common sense.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 12:47 pm

    Richard, you're turning me down? You want me to surrender mine, but you refuse to surrender yours? You tell Pam we need to enact gun control now, but not for you? That certainly sounds Feinsteinesque (hypocritical). Dismissing me an extremist doesn't negate that fact that my proposal is very reasonable. Come on, now. Put up or shut up.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 11, 2013 - 12:52 pm

    Richard, I must formally ask you to turn in your illegal SKS to our sheriffs department today. You have admitted to committing a felony. I'm asking the MD to do the right thing and turn over Richards information to the authorities. Richard being opposed to the 2nd Amendment is like Jerry Sandusky being opposed to child sexual abuse.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 11, 2013 - 12:55 pm

    Richard is proof that all gone control does is ensure that only criminals will possess them.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 1:30 pm

    To Steers/furniture two paranoids who believe that our government is the enemy and so they must have military style weapons for defense, I say: it's time to grow up and surrender your dark fantasies for the common good. And Steers, the very difinination of mental illness is owning and bragging about owning an AR-15. I don’t believe there is any way to curb the epidemic of gun violence unless we to some degree “erode the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.”

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 1:52 pm

    Even if you believe the Second Amendment grants each American an individual right granted to own a gun, which remains a matter of some debate, it does not follow logically, legally or constitutionally that this right is absolute. No right granted by the Constitution is totally exempt from limitations. If your “freedom” threatens children’s safety, it’s reasonable to restrict it. And Steers, embellishing posts to your liking after a time erodes ones credibility.

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 1:54 pm

    Definition of Democide* By R.J. Rummel Genocide: among other things, the killing of people by a government because of their indelible group membership (race, ethnicity, religion, language). Politicide: the murder of any person or people by a government because of their politics or for political purposes. Mass Murder: the indiscriminate killing of any person or people by a government. Democide: The murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder -------Continued

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 1:55 pm

    128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS 4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State 5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill 6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State 7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 1:57 pm

    8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military 9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State 10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges 11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State 12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing 13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State 14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 2:08 pm

    FBI Agent Larry Grathwohl stated that Weather Underground terrorist and violent criminal Bill Ayers was planning on murdering 25 million American citizens, with the help of his cohorts. ==============Bill Ayers is a close friend of Obama. If you don't think that givernments kill, reread the above statistics. Human nature never changes and the only thing between us and complete powerlessness is the Constitution. When the rights of the Constitution are weaken so is our personal security. Just think about it.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 2:31 pm

    Uh oh Dee, keep talking like that and you're gonna be labeled an extremist. Your points are well taken however. More people have died at the hands of their own government in the last century than by any other cause at any time in history. Of course, they had to be disarmed first. Fortunately, that would NEVer happen in America.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 2:37 pm

    How can anyone listen to someone so hypocritical as one who would call for the disarming of citizens while admitting he owns guns (a dreaded "assault rifle", no less) refusing to disarm himself? Just trying to figure you out Richard. Why won't you disarm? You must not be serious about gun control, that must be it! Got it, you're demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.

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  • chrispytahoeJanuary 11, 2013 - 3:04 pm

    Wherever one stands on the issue of gun control, Americans have a wierd love affair with guns and violence and killing. It is nothing new, it is as old as America herself.

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  • CharlotteJanuary 11, 2013 - 3:10 pm

    We should all think what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on the killer.

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  • DB SmithJanuary 11, 2013 - 3:31 pm

    Paddy called it right. Richard defines the word HYPOCRITICAL. If you all remember it was just recent that Richard called for more gun taxes, annual physicals and drug testing prior to gun ownership. Richard's own admission was he would be unable to pass the testing yet he admits to owning one/s. In another admission he admits to owning an illegal one/s. Now Richard, the guy that seriously probably shouldn't own a gun/rifle wants us law abiding citizens to listen to him? Richard, get a new counselor, keep your guns, and stay out of my business.

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 3:38 pm

    Scare tactics sell more guns, right off the NRA web page: Join the NRA today!! Your cost of $25.00 to join ($10.00 off) will definitely help our great cause of defending our rights. If these Anti-Gun Legislators get their way, what will be next?? Absolute chaos is sure to occur. The streets will be filled with criminals with firearms, and law abiding citizens will be stripped of our rights. Is this what we really want? The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun….. And C

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 11, 2013 - 4:34 pm

    An AR-15 made here in California that I passed a back ground check and registered is the very definition of mental illness per Richard. Bragging about owning an illegal firearm, and giving advice on how to purchase illegal clips for the same fire arm to prove a point regarding gun control is priceless. Ladies and gentleman! Because of Richard's numerous post I conclude him to be either a juvenile, or that of someone with a diminished capacity. Hopefully for our sake his mommy hasn't given him the access code for the gun safe

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 5:39 pm

    Charlotte, two football sized teachers and one husky 12 years old? With the fire power he was putting out he would have gotten all three. Real life is not like the movies where two football sized teachers and one husky 12 years charge into a hail of fire and not one bullet hits them.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    I can attest to a waiting period when purchasing a weapon. In 1993, when I purchased my pistol from a local gun dealer I had to wait 10 days. When the State determined I wasn't wanted in 37 states, I was allowed to buy it. This is the extent of my gun knowledge.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 6:05 pm

    Dee, how did Bill Ayers, with the help of his cohorts, plan to kill 25 million Americans? Specifically, that is -- poison, bad music, gun shots, strangling, very huge explosions? If explosions, how many killed from each explosion?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 6:30 pm

    James, Ayers didn't have a specific plan for execution; it was something he had told Grathwohl would have to happen if they (these 25M die-hard capitalists, whom Ayers said would be locked up in "reeducation camps") didn't conform to the new way of doing things. Doesn't sound like kind of guy Mr. Rogers would have wanted for his neighbor.

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  • Paddy OfurnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 6:40 pm

    Hey Rich(ard), $10 off on my NRA membership? Thanks for the tip, buddy! Wait, I can't find anything about a discount. Link please? Did they pay you for the plug? Oh, I just found it. https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?campaignid=bonusgiftwy&EK=Y3ARPPBD&pubID=272.7&hid=20593069 You also get a free pocketknife or cool duffel bag. Thanks a bunch Rich! It was time to renew anyway.

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    Thank you Paddy, I'm sure Longhofer knows about this because he is such a supporter of the Administration and it is easily found and has been reported for years.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Dee, actually, I know little about Bill Ayers. Is he a current fugitive from justice? If so, I'll research him. If not, I'll consider him a Tea/Republican talking point.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 6:52 pm

    Dee, I do know Bill Ayers is alleged to have taught President Obama to be a communist/socialist/etc. I wonder if the president also signed on to killing 25 million Americans?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 6:57 pm

    Jeez James! Take it easy. You guys are so touchy about your prez. The facts are known; Ayers is a scumbag, Obama was one his close buddies, Ayers claimed to write at least one of Obama's, and so on. Don't take it so personal.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 11, 2013 - 7:05 pm

    "...Obama's books..." Sorry, had to run, baby was crying.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 7:09 pm

    Paddy, not sensitive, just trying to determine the Talking Point facts. Rather than conjecture and what one wants to believe, is there any factual basis that Ayers taught President Obama to be a Communist/Socialist, etc.? Is there video/audio of the up the stairs back room where this took place? Has Ayers admitted that he taught the President to be a Communist/Socialist/etc., or has the President admitted to such, or is it just a wishful talking point. Since none of us have direct knowledge, guess we will never know. Well, they would know on Fox News, but not us rational people in El Dorado County.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    Paddy, you take care of the baby, I'm going to watch the Lakers and the Thunder. We can determine if President Obama is a Communist/Socialist, etc., tomorrow. Remember, when you change the baby, apply medicated baby powder to the behind. Best.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 11, 2013 - 8:14 pm

    To my fellow lemmings. Most of you know but I might remind you that many of the Democrat Socialist who post here today have a long ingrained Chomsky/Herman mentality regarding cognitive facts and reasoning. Just because the media reports that Ayers is a terrorist whom Obama used Ayers house for his announcement to run for Senate. That doesn't make it factual or of any importance. So for any argument or concern you might want to present. Remember who and what you are talking to.

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Longhofer-If you do not know the relationship between between Obama and Ayers, that makes you a low information voter. I knew about it before Obama was nominated. And Paddy, I'm used to the name calling from these folks because facts and common sense are too hard for them, so they start name calling. Ken hope your Christmas and New Year were great. Thank you for your charitable work.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 9:39 pm

    Ken, Obama announced for the Senate from Mr. Ayers home? So? This BS was big before the 2008 election. Obama won. Didn't hear much about it before the 2012 election. Obama won again. You can sing it from the rooftops, but it's old business (given the president cannot run in 2016). I suppose you can solicit McClintock to ask his Tea/Republicans buds to file impeachment against the president for announcing for the Senate from Ayer's house, but don't you think that would be a waste of time and effort? Like most liberals, I just don't care about Obama's announcement for the Senate -- at Mr. Ayer's home, or if he did it sitting on a piebald horse in front of the Washington Monument. I know you guys get inner satisfaction from repeating this old talking point (with your upset stomachs over both the president's elections), but liberals just don't care. But, wouldn't your time be better spent badmouthing Hillary who will be the first woman president in 2016 and a Democrat to boot. And, now, back to the basketball game (what's really important).

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:39 pm

    Oh, and Longhofer, what I have read in various articles and books,Frank Marshall Davis, a card-carrying member of the Communist Party, mentored Barack Obama when he lived in Hawaii.You might want to research that relationship as well as the Ayers, although it is too late for the sake of the Coungtry.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 9:44 pm

    Dee, I was familiar with the Ayers/Obama talking point, but didn't care about it before the 2008 election and don't care about it now (refer to my comment to Ken). I regret, for your mental health, that it didn't work out in 2008 or 2012. Hey, Dee, Obama WON.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 9:45 pm

    Bye-bye.

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    Lonfhofer, so you knew about the relationship between Ayers and Obama and you are cool about it. That's fine. My comment still stands. Think about who controls the Country. Think about Government murders. Think about the basic desires of our Administrative Masters. Think about the loss of our Constitutional Rights. So, what happens next?

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  • RichardJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    The ATF reports that 25% to 50% of firearm vendors at gun shows are unlicensed: Unregulated private sales at gun shows are a popular point-of-purchase for immature males and individuals prohibited under federal law from buying firearms—including convicted felons, domestic abusers, drug addicts, fugitives from justice, individuals adjudicated as mentally ill, illegal immigrants, creationist who would rather die than give up their guns, those who feel gun control by presidential executive order is not legal and others who would be flagged and stopped by criminal background checks. Additionally, gun shows are a common venue for “straw purchases” through licensed dealers. In a straw purchase, a prohibited purchaser recruits an individual(s) with a clean criminal record to pass a background check and purchase firearms for him/her. A straw purchase is a federal felony offense for both the straw purchaser and the ultimate possessor of the firearms. Latest report from UPI: Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by KEY LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS that would block these loop holes which account for two out of every five guns sold, and require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools. It looks like not only has the once proud tea party patriots lost the election, their tea party, their credibility, but very soon we will be able to say, their lost the battle for gun control also……..

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  • DeeJanuary 11, 2013 - 10:15 pm

    Well Longhofer, ah, yes Obama won. That is fact. I believe that I have not doubted that. Let us review what I submitted. I submittedd the statistics of victims killed by their governments. I remarked that Ayers, a close friend of the leader of our Country, has publicly said that 25 million American citizens will need to be killed. You then try to raise doubt about my FACTS and Paddy gave more clarification. I explained to Paddy that you knew all this. You verified that but you don't care about Obama's friendship with Ayers. Then you insult me. Again Longhofer, I win.

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  • James E.January 11, 2013 - 11:47 pm

    Oh, Dee, you always win. And, as you address me as Longhofer, please tell me your last name so I can address you the same.

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  • EvelynJanuary 12, 2013 - 7:36 am

    Is An Executive Order a Law that Must be Obeyed? HERE ********** Paddy, this article supports the position you were taking yesterday.

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  • EvelynJanuary 12, 2013 - 7:50 am

    Yesterday at 10:06 am Richard said: "With (round numbers) 85 thousand accidental deaths from fire arms last year, an additional 16,000 suicides plus 100,000 injuries and 10,000 plus homicides." ********** Yesterday I asked Richard for his source. NA. (He responded with a weather report!!!) Lacking compelling information to the contrary, I believe Richard is making up his "information". Further, whatever his "agenda", it does not include the truth. ********** One look at FBI 2011 U.S. crime stats is MOST informative. HERE Richard's figures are not even in the ballpark.

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  • EvelynJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:00 am

    "Sheriffs CAN Block Federal Gun Control" - Here is a little known fact: ” ... no matter what gun control laws are passed by the federal government, they can only be enforced in your area if your county sheriff allows them to be.” ” ... the county sheriff is the highest governmental authority in his county and he does not have to bow to the tyranny of the federal government if he deems such actions to be unconstitutional or unlawful. In essence, the county sheriff has more legal authority within his county than the governor or the state or even the president of the United States.” - HERE

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  • EvelynJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:04 am

    "Kentucky Sheriff to Obama: No Gun Disarmament in My County" - HERE

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:32 am

    Ah, Evelyn, you hit on an excellent point; the county sheriff had much, much more power than most folks realize. He is really the last word in law enforcement for his area. Nothing federal happens without his approval. Fortunately we have a very pro-gun sheriff and I would look for him to protect our rights. I would actually like to try and talk to him about this and get his direct input.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:32 am

    Happy New Year to you Dee! My Holiday's included 7 new babies. Suddenly Easter has been made a new. The the anticipation of little ones scurrying around looking for eggs. Kind of pathetic trying to get my 20 year olds to hunt for them. My wife and I feel blessed.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:37 am

    Hey Rich(ard), you've been asked some very direct questions which you still cower from. Please don't post anything else here til you address them. Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks again for NRA tip, and if you know of any gun shows coming up, let us know so we can all run out and buy guns with no BG check. I had to wait 10 full days in order to pick up the nice little Savage .223 bolt rifle I'll be getting my hands on later today. Answer the questions please.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:44 am

    I was speaking to retired Sacramento Sheriff McGinness yesterday, regarding the Connecticut shootings, the mental health issue here in America and the privacy laws protecting the mentally ill. Here in California specifically, if you know of someone with an illness that you feel should not possess a fire arm, file a restraining order on that person. The process is that this will shed the light of the legal system on that person. The police will be notified and a judge will make a decision. In our state someone with a restraining order on them can not possess a fire arm. It seems logical to me that the Batman movie, VT, and Gabby Giffords shooting, all could have been prevented if someone close to these people would have taken proper action.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:49 am

    Morris FYI? Gun violence is way down across America. Your cause and affect bucket correlation of bad economy=underprivileged minorities must lash out at our free market system, holds no water.

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 9:06 am

    Evelyn? What you offer as proof positive is just an addendum report on murder victims only.

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  • DeeJanuary 12, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Ken, We to are being hit with a crop of little ones. It is really fun. You are blessed.

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  • EvelynJanuary 12, 2013 - 9:39 am

    Richard, I'll trade you for a weather report!

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 9:49 am

    Evelyn, your not gettin off that easy; Evelyn/Furniture, I can understand yours and Furitures instant bond with the Kentucky Sheriff who stated, NO GUN DISARMAMENT IN MY COUNTY, but the facts are the Kentucky Sheriff by even the lowest law enforcement standards is a fruit cake. Did you happen to notice further down in the article that theirs been a major shake-up in Jackson County, Kentucky involving the Sheriff. The county fiscal court removed the sheriff from office because of a debt of nearly $300,000, among other issues, and the County Police Department had a new force sworn in as county officials question the sheriff's handling of money. “Judge William Smith says the Sheriff's Department owes the county nearly $300,000.” The deputies stopped getting paid a month ago when the county government decided to stop lending money to the sheriff's department to cover their payroll. The county government has issued several emergency executive orders, one of them to claim the sheriff's bond, which would effectively remove him from office, and the county hopes will pay for the thousands of dollars of debt. The sheriff is still in office for now, however. all but one of his deputies are on the new county controlled police force, good luck Sheriff as nuts as you are you, you going to need it with no retirement ……….

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  • EvelynJanuary 12, 2013 - 9:53 am

    Richard, I'm not gettin' off nuttin'!!! I'm standing on my prior posts as a collection and am totally willing for you to do the same, or for you to bring in anything new you wish. It's been interesting. Go well. Herewith endeth . . .

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 12, 2013 - 9:56 am

    Rich(ard), Daley's waiting to hear from you...and I'm sure D'Agostini would like to meet you too.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 10:07 am

    Hi! I'm Richard and I'm this many... 2 things regarding democrat socialists that I have learned about their psyche that might prove useful for my fellow lemmings while holding a conversation with them. First their complete denial of fact, when it pertains to one of their own. "Obama never admitted to using and selling illegal drugs. He's not an advocate of Saul Alinsky. He's not friends and business partners with known felons and terrorists. So he is a racist bigot and proud supporter of Jeremiah Wright. That's all old news and no one believes it or cares anyway. BTW you're fat and stupid". The other is the complete hypocrisy regarding immoral behavior of democrat socialist leadership compared to whom they deem as their enemies. "Meg Whitman is a whore", "Sarah Palin's daughters should be raped", "George Bush used cocaine". On the other hand, "It's no one's business and eating ain't cheating, Bill Clinton is the greatest person ever!" Or exchange bill for Hillary and the sentence remains the same.

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  • James E.January 12, 2013 - 10:24 am

    Ken, I don't think anyone called you fat and stupid.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 10:44 am

    I have been call fat and stupid many times in this news paper! It is a cross I must bear. Hell I was chick-fille's biggest customer during the whole gay situation and I didn't even know there was a support rally going on. There have even been web sites depicting how fat I am. There is a bright side. All the "before person" work for weight loss commercials. I've also been offered the stunt double position on the next Austin Powers movie as "fat bastard". Coincidentally because I accept my fatness I have never cried to the MD complaining that someone is picking on me. Sometimes you just have to accept who you are.

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 10:57 am

    Gun advocates keep shouting, “The second amendment, it’s a god given right to own as many guns as we want, hands off? The second amendment states that the citizenry has a right to bear arms. This issue at hand is not eliminating all arms, but some types of arms, what about that cant the gun advocates understand? Any regulations that come out of this concern for new gun guidelines will be based on the degree of lethality, not all lethality. Assault rifles are offensive weapons. They are not defensive in that they are designed to inflict mass casualties. Personal defense can be accomplished with much less powerful weapons. Mr. Steers whose wife founded a successful minority business in our region argues, “I only use my AR-15 (bushmaster) for hunting,” but I would guess that’s only to justify ownership. The AR-15 was designed as an offensive weapon; it can be easily altered to full automatic. Additionally, at almost any gun show across our nation magazines are available that can increase its capability to 20 rounds or more. I suspect that the real attraction is not for hunting, but the juvenile satisfaction knowing that you own a weapon capable of inflicting mass casualties which goes hand in hand with the definition of mental Illness, owning an AR-15.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 11:10 am

    My AR-15 is for hunting and target shooting. My Saiga AK-47 12 gauge shotgun with 10 BB shells loaded in it, is for a moron that thinks all I use my weapons for is hunting.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 11:27 am

    Rich(ard), why do you think my wife's company is successful? Are you implying that because she is a certified female owned company that this is the reason for her perceived success? Do you understand that her company does not fit the criteria of small business? So what government set backs does her company qualify for? You might be surprised to learn that she doesn't do any business with our state or the federal government. Historically after 25 years she has learned that they don't pay their bills. So why the infatuation with her being a minority? Is it because you are proud to know that as a certified female own company, with the corporate plus certification, she certifies other female/minority owned small business's. Hiring them and teaching them how to compete in the world marketplace. Because she as an immigrant believes in the American Dream, as well as I. BTW, have you turned in your illegal weapon yet?

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  • Dick BransonJanuary 12, 2013 - 11:52 am

    Mr. Kirkpatrick, your translation of the 2nd amendment is way off. The real 2nd amendment says this: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Your 2nd amendment says this: We have the right to defend ourselves from the government and criminals using firearms. You are not even close.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 12, 2013 - 1:03 pm

    Just got back from picking up my new rifle. Can't wait to shoot it. While I was at the gun shop, there was a very nice, very friendly, well-to-do looking couple in their 60's or so, picking one up as well. I had to look at them and wonder, are you "home-grown terrorists?" "What do you NEED that gun for?" Rich(ard)'s got me all paranoid-like now. I had hoped while I was gone Richard would have finally addressed the fact that he owns a dreaded "assault rifle" (amongst other guns) and while calling for the rest of us to be disarmed, refuses to disarm himself first. The ultimate in irony-or hypocrisy. He is a self-professed illegal drug user; a violator of drug laws. Yet he calls for stricter gun laws, which he then expects me to obey, while he ignores them. Another person here has called pro-gun types "anarchists". Well, Richard would be your textbook definition of an anarchist, correct?

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 12, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    Ken, 93 comments , WOW. I just had to ask one thing . . . . It is great you have the new little ones running around, they are good for the soul, But I'm worried, Bud, when you said you were going to have them do an "easter egg HUNT" I was left to wonder what type of rounds will they be using . . ahahahahaha . . Have a great easter.

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    Steers, based on what I read in the Sacramento Business Journal and other published statements; your wife’s company is successful, if all accounts are accurate. In my experience success comes with hard work and leadership which according to the Journal she possesses. I would be surprised to learn that she doesn't do any business with our state or the federal government for the stated reason. It’s not an infatuation with her minority status, more a curiosity why a self made women with many accomplishments would be paired with such braggart like you. Your postings over a period of time have informed all that you’re, “a millionaire,” “that your life with your RV is better than yours, “to site a couple. Steers, many are millionaires, many have good lives but few of the men I know brag about it. As for the illegal weapon, my post as you very well know stated, (I inherited a never used Russian SKS semi-auto from a family member in Oregon. I just checked Midway USA (gun supplier), to see how difficult it would be to increased its fire power, what a surprise. The only information required was my address, 17.95 and I can be the owner of a 20 round detachable polymer magazine.) It was intended to be an argument in support of gun control which was obvious. The estate manger is in Oregon where from time to time I stay for extended periods. Your dozen posting distorting those facts in support of 2nd amendment rights is puzzling to me, thou I do have opinions as to why, I’ll keep those to my self.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    Jim, a while back I had purchased a junior single shot combo .22-.243-20 gauge, from our local NRA dinner. Jerald, one of my employees has a young son. so I gave that to them for Christmas. Dad recorded son opening his gift and emailed it to me. The boy was thrilled. The understanding of the joy father and son are going to share, hunters safety, shooting and hunts is priceless. And honestly one of the highlights for me this Christmas.

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 2:24 pm

    Incidents involving guns, (keep in mind it’s difficult to amass acute numbers on this issue because there are few federal guidelines for reportable events.) 2011 figures from the Centers for Disease Control:........ Accidental discharge 851 Suicide 19,766, Homicide 11,101, Undetermined Intent 222 , Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011. Not appearing in general statistics, 258 people were killed during legal intervention, most of them due to guns. Guns were involved, but were not the primary cause of death: -in 2 fatal accidents.-in 6 homicides. Over 100,000 annually nationwide require medical care for gun related incidents, most of them at tax payer’s expense. Looking around the world at other advanced countries have imposed gun control laws, our America has conducted a natural experiment in what happens when a society has as many guns as people. And the results are in, and they’re counter to what intuition or common sense would indicate

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 12, 2013 - 2:54 pm

    Ken, 7 babies? You've got my curiosity going. Grand babies?

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 4:30 pm

    It appears it’s the overzealous gun owners themselves fueled by NRA and other gun owner organizations rhetoric that our responsible for a big portion of the bad guys having guns… (ATF File 38990000). "The ATF has identified gun shows as a major trafficking channel for firearms, second only to corrupt federally licensed dealers. In an analysis of 1,530 firearms trafficking investigations during the period July 1996 through December 2000, gun shows were associated with the diversion of approximately 26,000 illegal firearms.7 From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted operations at just 195 gun shows nationwide, but these operations resulted in 121 individual arrests and 5,345 firearms seizures." Case in point: local El Dorado County CHP officer and NRA idol jailed for dealing in stolen guns, and just where would one sell these guns?

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 12, 2013 - 6:25 pm

    Speaking of gun shows, there's one in Auburn in 2 weeks and one right here in P'ville February 1st and 2nd. Anybody going? Richard says he can walk in and buy a gun with no BG check or waiting period. How about you meet me there and we go try, Ricardo?

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 12, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Paddy, no grand kids per se. Our oldest that we raised is actually our niece. Her baby, my sister in law had two new ones. My niece has 2. And my other sister in law adopted 2 more. So heaven.

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  • RichardJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    The second amendment was not written to promote armed insurrection against the United States. It does not guarantee unrestricted personal weaponry. Just as gun owners have a right to bear arms, the rest us have a right to regulate the lethality of personal armaments through the legislative process. These regulations in no way violate or "compromise" the second amendment.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netJanuary 12, 2013 - 8:16 pm

    I love reading these debates ...a friend made two very good examples--when we talked about the second amendment today--and the reason to keep it as is-and that it is still very valid today. one: government response to Hurricane Katrina...two: 1992 Los Angeles Rodney King riots ...I will leave the investigation to you...I found it interesting.

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  • Paddy O'funritureJanuary 13, 2013 - 7:09 am

    Rich(ard), if you don't like guns, you should turn yours in. If anyone comes to your home to rob you, you could always throw your bong at them ;) So are we on for the gun show in Feb or what? I'll be there at 9AM Saturday morning. I'll be the one in the bib overalls and the greasy John Deere cap ;)

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 13, 2013 - 7:31 am

    I get your meaning Francesca, and you're absolutely right. Oh, for all who may be interested, "Conn. Lawmaker Pushes Barney Fife Law: Limits Guns to One Round" http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/11/Conn-Lawmaker-Pushes-Barney-Fife-Law-Limits-Guns-To-One-Round Sorry, you'll have to cut and paste, I don't know how to do that fancy link stuff. Maybe Evelyn or Phil could show me how...

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  • Paddy O'f furnitureJanuary 13, 2013 - 7:35 am

    Houston PD: "Witnesses shoot robbery suspect" And after the perp gets hot, he flees and is bitten by a dog. Rough day. http://www.click2houston.com/news/HPD-Witnesses-shoot-robbery-suspect/-/1735978/18093108/-/cdmob7/-/index.html

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  • JuneJanuary 13, 2013 - 8:51 am

    Other than an outright ban on the manufacture, sale and ownership of high capacity assault weapons would have prevented the tragedy of Sandy Hook. The gun that killed the children and teachers was legitimately owned and registered to a woman who suffered no mental illness. She was herself killed by the weapon. When will the people stand up to the special interest groups like the NRA and California Gun Owners, whose ranks are mostly filled with undisciplined, immature young males, most of whom failed to qualify or wont interested in military service.

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  • JuneJanuary 13, 2013 - 9:45 am

    weren't ***

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  • InternistJanuary 13, 2013 - 9:59 am

    It is so heartening to see America turning away from the hateful rantings from the right, as exemplified in these postings. You poor delusional half-wits think you have something to do with the national conversation, but the fact is, you are irrelevant. Our democratic process has proven that. You have no one to talk to but each other. Have fun stroking your guns as you huddle down in your bunkers waiting for armeggedon. The rest of us have work to do.

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  • Jim RiordanJanuary 13, 2013 - 10:12 am

    June, Obviously you have missed the whole point of the sandy Hook problem. It was not lack of regulation , it was a lack of the owners duty to SAFELY LOCK UP those weapons to keep them out of others' hands. . . . .And as for more regulation and Government oversight, three words about cover my reliance on their stewardship: "Fast and Furious" (it should have been Fast and Spurious) remember that, ? when the government had "full control"? . . . what a joke--- on us.

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  • JuneJanuary 13, 2013 - 10:40 am

    Jim, obviously you have missed the point, it was the lack of regulation and availability of the weapon.... grow-up.

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  • RichardJanuary 13, 2013 - 11:28 am

    ATF Reports, Major Source of Criminal Activity ATF Reports A Major Source of Criminal Activity: ; AFT reports that 25% to 50% of firearm vendors at gun shows nation wide are unlicensed. A multi-state study of gun shows by Dr. Garen J. Wintemute of the University of California-Davis found that this figure might be a low estimate. Direct observational methods employed in the study revealed that as many as 70% of gun sellers could not be identified as licensed dealers.3 Unlicensed firearm vendors provide easy opportunities for prohibited purchasers to avoid background checks: The Columbine killers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, obtained guns used in the shootings from unlicensed dealers at Colorado gun shows. On two separate occasions, they recruited friends to straw purchase guns for them at the shows. One of them, Robyn Anderson, testified that she “would not have bought a gun for Eric and Dylan if I had had to give any personal information or submit [to] any kind of check at all.” (Gun Show Enforcement,” Hearings before the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security, 109th Congress, 2d Session, February 28, 2006, p.)

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  • Billy MiddletonJanuary 13, 2013 - 12:25 pm

    Read today's news. Even Colin Powell says you Republicans are a bunch of losers. Internist is correct. You are irrelevant.

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  • Jerry GreenJanuary 13, 2013 - 1:11 pm

    Riordumb, where does the 2nd amendment say I have to lock up anything? My guns have never been discharged when I did not desire such. Your suggestion of imposing controls reeks of socialist mentality. Boiling frogs.

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  • Michael FredricksonJanuary 13, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    Remember to lock up the airplane keys when Riordan is coming around!

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  • DB SmithJanuary 13, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    June, you are way wrong! A large majority of my gun owning friends are either in the military or military veterans and they are neither undisciplined or immature. You say an outright ban on assault weapons would prevent a Sandy Hook tragedy. You are full of it!!! If someone wants to do something like that then they would find other means and it wouldn't require a firearm. Is June really Richard?

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  • RichardJanuary 13, 2013 - 2:28 pm

    Smith, No, Richard is Richard. I do have a question for you, are a large number of your gun owning friends and veterans’, NRA or gun club members? Also, some years ago I supported a design effort on a project for the local schools. I recall a Dave Smith, would that be you? • •

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  • DB SmithJanuary 13, 2013 - 2:48 pm

    Richard, I don't want to play "I'll show you mine if you show me your's" but uh ~ if you tell me your last name I'll tell you my first name. Could that of been structural design and if you were on a school campus did you get your background check?

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  • RichardJanuary 13, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    Smith, I don’t want to play either. Back-ground check, funny. Only check-in was required before meetings with Dr. Barber and Facilities. If I recall Bob Edwards was there, that should give you a time-frame.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureJanuary 13, 2013 - 4:17 pm

    A study was done many years ago that said privately held firearms were credited with stopping an estimated 2 1/2 million crines. It was during the Carter Administration and the study was called the “Wright Rossi Report”, which interviewed some 1,800 prison inmates and found the “possible presence of guns prevented” about two and a half million crimes a year. 2 1/2 million crimes estimated prevented because someone had gun.

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  • Ken SteersJanuary 13, 2013 - 5:02 pm

    After WWI the US had a large cache of high powered assault rifles and pistols with not much use. The soldiers of that war who were trained how to use and then used their weapons in combat grew an affinity for their weapons. Many millions of the 30.06 Springfield and the Colt 1911 were sporterized and are used widely for a hundred years by gun enthusiast. As well as the Mauser action rifle of that genre. For over 50 years millions of servicemen have been trained and used the M-16. It is only natural that one would want to own something that meant so much to them. That is why I own mine today. Some on this string have stated that because I own firearms I am mentally ill and dangerous to our society. I would argue that many of these same people feel the same way regarding our military. So I accept that there is different mind sets. But I must state that the Second Amendment was not established by our fore fathers to guarantee us the right to hunt. It was the Constitutional right to bear arms against a tyrannical government. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. How without the Second Amendment could we carry that out? And if you do not believe in our Constitution and disregard it. I must point out that 10's of millions of us have sworn an oath to defend it.

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  • RichardJanuary 13, 2013 - 5:06 pm

    GREAT ASSAULT WEAPON HOAX. “Gun control Increases Violent Crime”. The guy who wrote this titled article was a San Jose Cop who was fired from his job.

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  • RichardJanuary 13, 2013 - 5:42 pm

    Los Angeles: LA City's Police Chief on Wednesday (1-2-13) endorsed a proposed federal ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines that have been used in mass shootings. Police Chief Charlie Beck said, adding a high-capacity magazine transform a gun "into a weapon of mass death rather than a home-protection-type device."

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  • DB SmithJanuary 13, 2013 - 5:59 pm

    Richard, Seriously man...I really thing you've lost it. Personally I've tried to be easy with you because of your military service but I'm done with that now. Stop the crap! OK I get it that you don't want anyone but you to have a gun. You think firearms are evil but you like yours. It's not the firearm that is the problem, it's the person that is holding the firearm and what they choose to do with it that can be the problem. You can kill a lot of people if you wanted to even with a car. The device list can be endless.

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  • billzzJanuary 13, 2013 - 6:00 pm

    Where assault rifles came from. There were none prior to WWII, when the Germans invented a weapon whose name is too long to pronounce, and it took too much ammo to maintain. The design was taken by a Russian, Kalashnikov, who designed the AK-47. The reason was that Russian conscripts were mostly illiterate, and the USSR did not have the luxury of rifle marksmanship training. While US soldiers, using the Garand M-1, could engage targets at up to 600 yards, the Soviet soldier had little training, and was expected to just aim in the general vicinity and "spray and pray." Except being Commies, they probably just sprayed. Anyway that was the derivation. The big difference is that an assault weapon will not overheat. The M1 could never be made into an assault weapon. There was a smaller version, called the M1A1 carbine, which used .38 caliber, and it had a switch for single-shot and what they called automatic, but I used one in Vietnam and if you think shoot, wait awhile, shoot, wait awhile, is full automatic, think again. You don't see any of them anymore. A good policeman could get off two shots just in the lull between an M1A1's firings. So anyway, when the US was going to Vietnam it was thought that we should have something like the AK-47, because jungle fighting was all close range. The smaller caliber was selected so the soldiers could carry more ammo, and the high velocity was selected to get around the Geneva Convention. Anyway, the resultant M-16 or AR-15 is no more a hunting rifle than my old battalion's M109 155mm Self-propelled Howitzers.

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  • RichardJanuary 13, 2013 - 6:06 pm

    Chief, Walt Neil, President of the International Police Officers Association: Police Chief Neil says, gun violence isn't new - but the availability of assault weapons and armor has made it harder for them to fight. "Do citizens have the right to have bazookas? Do they have the right to have grenades, grenade launchers? Where does it stop in terms of the right to bear arms?"

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  • Stem KeeraJanuary 13, 2013 - 10:07 pm

    Ken Steers, we change the govt by voting, not by shooting. What a dope.

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  • Sylvia MedleyJanuary 15, 2013 - 8:42 pm

    Mr. Kirkpatrick: if I'm understanding your letter, your point is that violence in America is attributable to minorities on welfare. Well, Sir, how do you explain the fact that almost all the gun obsessed nut job mass murderers have been white boys from families NOT on welfare? No one wants to take away your god-given set-in-stone 2nd Amendment. But there will be changes in gun laws.

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