sorry James--i made a tiny url to the photos...http://tinyurl.com/mdptl99 these photos are from the workshop that had an input to many of the issues now being faced--the roundabout is one of them. (2006)
James--"community" has new definitions to some people...here in Pollock --it means Harper and her CEDAPP group...I will have to look for the Placerville definition of "community." In the links I provided it seems 78 people filled out surveys in 2006 at a workshop--whittle it down to your council--even if its just a few...and you have your vote.
Here in Pollock Santiago said 100 people wanted this advisory board...NOT. Every time I come down the hill--I see more of my "community" actually works at the center where the BOS meetings happen...they have moved from town--I guess--because they no longer come to our meetings. James--I have become "jaded"...I was once a sweet old lady...a grandma....lololol...I guess not--but it was worth a try. I think this is about the grant behind the improvements--is the money spent and cant be given back if they leave the idea alone? Or like many outcomes from the "community groups" they decided and thats that.
It is stated in the final parks and trails master plan--that 9 people showed up to some meeting in Pollock and decided for all of us. Im betting the same thing happened with the roundabout--a "community" didnt know...a select few did--and they voted. Be careful of the word "community'--it has been changed to allow a "few" to decide for a whole--it is now coming out that people went against the brown act and met without "public" knowledge...to move forward with issues up and down the hill. I know I never heard of the Park and trails meeting--yet Harper did--right...lololol. Roundabout is exactly the same--when the community found out--they said "no"--took it to court--another "no." How many "no s" does it take--make these people step down--they represent the whole...and if not--get rid of them.
It's not clear what the real plan is. The grant money *can* be spent without going through with the roundabout, if it is spent on the planning phase where the roundabout remains one of the options, even if it isn't the selected option. I have a hard time believing any politician would sacrifice re-election on the alter of the roundabout...maybe they will delay a final vote until just after one election and hope that the "benefits" of a roundabout are realized before the next election. Again, hard to imagine...
The Placerville City Council should cut a deal with the Carmel by the Sea.City Council...They don't get to brew moonshine and hang a dummy out a window on Main St....In turn..We won't install a Round-about and put sliced Salmon on our Eggs Benedict ....I can live with that....
Hi Phil....Sorry, but sometimes I just find it more mentally satisfying just to sit in my easy chair, looking out the window watching the squirrels jumping from tree to tree than to be on line trying to convince Liberals to think rationality....You have been doing well in my absence, but where the hell is Cookie???..
R.J., I also like watching squirrels jumping. In fact, I have a tree that should have been taken down, but it remains because it is a squirrel hotel. Long before I came here and hopefully long after I'm gone. Rational thought -- do you think it only exists in conservatives?
I'm just glad to say that this marks a grand occasion! Longhofer & Stanhope on the same PAGE!! Oh darn next thing I know Garon will be hanging out at my house for BBQ!! lolol
NO ROUNDABOUT!!!! In Historic Hangtown!
Hey James glad to hear Fred's doing better....You ask if I think rational thought only exists in conservatives?... Yes !!!.. From what I've seen and heard over the last 4 years there's no doubt about it........Furthermore, I predict that Obama will be become so unhinged over the next 3 years that somewhere along the line you will cease trying to defend an administration that is becoming completely indefensible....Anything can happen, James the conservative, imagine that.....
R. J., rational conservatives do not pursue a policy of being anti against those things that would ensure their survival. Also, despite the Party of No, I think President Obama will do quite well in the next three years and then be replaced by President Clinton. No hope that I will ever be a conservative -- too much time in Army looking out for the troops. Of my four Chihuahuas, Ricky is a conservative (dog eat dog) while the other three, including Mr. Fred of Placerville, are liberals. I keep a close watch on Ricky so he is constrained, as all conservatives should be in the interests of society.
James.....First...Unlike Liberals, rational conservatives will more often pursue policies that put first the survival of our Republic over their own political survival...It's not Conservatives trying to throw open the flood-gates to illegal-aliens just to build up their own voting base......Secondly, Hillary's one and only chance was when she ran for President back in 08...She was at the absolute peak of her popularity back then and still got skunked by an unknown Jr. Senator out of nowhere named Barack Obama... By 2016 she'll be no more than a footnote in history books....Thirdly, you say your Liberal because "you spent so much time in Army looking out for the troops"??????...I only wonder what your ol conservative buddy Lieutenant Colonel, Ollie North would have to say about that....Man, I'd love to ask him....
R.J. - James just proved your point. He regurgitates Demo talking points. It is interesting that he knows what we need to survive better than we do. .LI find that attitude rather arrogant. Oh James, Go Hillary,head of the Great Grandnanny State! Geriactic politicians for geriatric ideas and policies-Democrats.
Lieutenant Colonel North looked out for himself. Credit to you for getting his rank correct.
I predict Hillary will be elected president in 2016. Remember, I called the 2012 presidential election when it was 100% certain that Mitt would be elected. No one the Tea/Republicans can nominate for president next time will even be close to 100%, so it's an easy call. Let me give you a little secret about military officers not known to the public. Ten percent look out for the troops, 90% look out for themselves and their next promotion in the best dog eat dog fashion. This might explain why most officers are conservatives. Now, if you respond and say that's not true, go serve 31 years in the military, and then come back to me with your revised opinion. Damn, 31 years -- that's a long time.
ADDED: Surely you don't believe politicians put the survival of our Republic over their own politicial survival. Politicians vote in the best interests of keeping their cushy jobs. I wish it weren't true.
And, who will vote for Hillary? WOMEN,
Latinos, Asians, African Americans, youths, and older white Democrats. Who will not vote for Hillary? Older white Republicans and Tea Party members. An easy win in 2016. Let me say that again: WOMEN.
Colonel, I like it when you refer to conservative thought as being the "Party of No". As in...NO MORE: Obamacare, tax increases, additional IRS agents, government waste, AP scandals, Solyndras, Fast and fury's, biased media, Candy Crowleys, Benghazi coverups, IRS scandals, big government, Pelosi's, Holder's, Obama's, NO MORE CLINTONS! etc..etc..Clinton is washed up and old business. I think America is tired of old white politicians on either side of the aisle and the polls look like they're tired of a half white/black guy that doesn't know what he's doing while running around in circles blaming everyone else but himself. The beast is a liar with a husband that looked you and American in the face and lied and still got away with it. America deserves much better that an old gay ex-first lady and quitter ex-Secretary of State.. Yeah, as usual, Democrat women that only think with their cooters would vote for her if she made it on the ticket.. You guys have had your chance and you've screwed it up.
I see DB has picked up within 24 hours the new Tea/Republican Plan: Hilliary is too old, elect a young Tea/Republcian. Just like they did with Reagan -- no, wait, in Reagan's case it was go with the old guy. This new plan won't cleanse the sins of Tea/Republicans being against Women, Latinos, Asians, African Americans, Gays, and old folks' Social Security and Medicare. Tea/Republicans are against 80% of the electorate and Hilliary only needs just over 50% to win. Sorry, DB, won't fly.
Colonel, that was one of the comments that I thought was lost the MD Cyberspace. I think the conservative base has a lot to work with coming up to 2016. It could be fun as long as you guys play fair. I'll bet you can't do it though.
Three years is an eternity in politics. If you remove the fraud and IRS sponsored voter suppression obama never gets a second term. Which doesn't stand well for the beast because it suggests the people learned from voting for symbolism over substance. Not that I put a lot of sand in the intelligence of the American people. We know she can't run on the 3:00 am phone call. We know she can't run on nationalized healthcare, by 2016 people won't be judging it based on what the leftists media is telling them, they will be living it. Her legacy as Secretary of State is a mushroom cloud waiting to happen. She is trying to set the stage of being all about the "children", where have we heard that before? Here knowledge of economics is the same as all leftists, big government regulation, confiscatory taxation, crony capitalism, redistribution of wealth, class warfare, and insider trading. With less and less people tuning to the leftists media the talking point that the right hates everyone is losing steam. Don't forget the most important point of all, after 8 years of 15% unemployment and skyrocketing costs of living, hope and change may not sell. There is a theory floating around that they are scamming to get Chelsea knocked up for the optics of the beast as a loving and caring grandma. I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
When i was 16 there was a roundabout in Orange Ca. All the kids went to Orange to cruz. Then we called it the circle and the game was to see how many times you could go around. Somebody didn't like that so they assigned a cop to watch and if you went around more than 3 times you got a warning. With 5 or 6 kids in the car they would have to call in and go thru each ones stop records over the radio for all to hear, it was a riot with every standing on the sidewalk waving at everyone driving by going around 20 times cuz the cop was tied up, lol..Then we called it THE CIRCLE JERK..
When i was 16 in Orange Ca. they had a roundabout. The game was to see how many times you could go round and round. Somebody didn't like the party so they assigned a cop to stop any one going around more than 3 times. Then the fun began, with 5 or 6 kids in 1 car, standing on the sidewalk waving at at everyone going by. At that time they had to call over the radio everyone's rap sheet for all to hear, if Jimmy Gretz was with you it would take an hour, lol. Then they called it the CIRCLE JERK..
Bob-you tried to get this blog back to the subject matter of the roundabout, but back to politics the same ole bloggers go as they do for every article, irregardless of the topic and content. boring boring boring. People try to stay on topic. LMAO
Speaking of staying on topic, the South would have won at Gettysburg had Jeb Stuart not been wandering around NW of the battle. Had he been there, his cavalry would have detected the softness of the Union line at the top of the fishhook and Lee would have overrun the Union forces before they could be reinforced. So close, yet so far.
Colonel, you're upsetting oh bro and bob. Get your mind out of the gutter and try to stay on subject even if it's in a roundabout way. BTW... Clinton married a cow or was it a bull? The weather forecast today around the proposed and not voted on "roundabout" is 106*.
On Topic: the roundabout is but a microcosm of what is wrong in American politics. Elected officials ruling against the will of the people. Taking it upon themselves to represent their own interests over the people. Stopping the roundabout will solve nothing until the people throw out all the incumbent politicians and quit electing people who have turned politics into a bloodsport. Back Off Topic: James, few people know that more people died in the war between the states from dysentery and decease than in battle.
Back On Topic: too may politicians think success is related to spending money. Need is not important. Cost is not important,
Bell California was not an exception to what is going on in small town America.
Back to the roundabout. I am waiting for the people to start exercising civil disobedience when it comes to putting politicians and government back in their place as servants of the people and not the other way around. On the day of ground breaking if a couple of hundred people park their cars in the middle of main and cedar ravine, lock them up and walk away you city council might get the hint.
Colonel, the same is true for the human population,.in which case we wouldn't need any milk. I wonder if the Cozmic Cafe would still be there if the city birthed the roundabout? We should put those liberal hippies to good work and encourage them to do an ole fashioned sit out right around the monument. Time to go get wet and cool off a bit.
I heard through the grapevine that over the weekend the locks were changed on Poor Reds and it is now closed-up. ..Does anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor??? ..If it's true that's some very sad front page news
James, did you see where the Communists News Network (CNN) broadcast George Zimmerman's SSN on live TV. Isn't it great when the leftists media makes fools out of those who defend them as being unbiased.
The Libs at CNN are still trying their best to somehow interject race into this trail....Tonight they are airing a program called "The N word" where they will be talking about the Zimmerman trail... Unfortunately, for CNN according to testimony the only derogatory, racist statement made during the altercation was by Travon Martin when he called Zimmerman a "Creepy A** Cracker" just before he started he punching him.....
Off Topic Again: State therapy specialists claimed Jacob Barnett would never tie his shoes, read or function normally in society. It turns out this state worker is a perfect fit for the public sector. The boy she was talking about has twice the therapist's IQ.
James, let me first apologize for being off topic on the letter YOU wrote. But since we were recently discussing green energy and bird deaths. You know it really gets interesting when leftists turn on other leftists.
Glad you all got the power back on. Toooo hot to be without a/c in 21st century America. Wouldn't it be great if the lofo obama voters had a real world understanding of the radical lefitsts obama really is. He wants to ban coal over some fictitious environMENTAL fairy tale so why not give the dependency class a taste of what that would look like. Shut down all coal fired power plants in the country for a week. When they couldn't use their obamaphone or the EBT card they might get the message.
LMAO-I now have to switch over to the Newswire, where the news is current. My condolences to the local young pregnant woman that lost her husband firefighter in the Arizona fire. That current info is on the other news site oops sorry wrong place to post of course. Go back to your silly bantering, sorry to interrupt.
Here is obama telling a crowd in Africa that if they are allowed to have cars and a/c then the planet will boil over. You can tell he is off the teleprompter not just because he sounds like an idiot but because he is searching for a way to explain keeping them in the dark ages without sounding like the totalitarian that he is.
From Cookie's link -
"“Ultimately, if you think about all the youth that everybody has mentioned here in Africa, if everybody is raising living standards to the point where everybody has got a car and everybody has got air conditioning, and everybody has got a big house, well, the planet will boil over — unless we find new ways of producing energy.”
New energy - like Obama's super Cuisinart bird killer wind farms that the EPA is blind to?
or new energy - like nuclear that has become politically impossible because of progressive "slander"
Never mind. You Africans don't get cars, air conditioning, and kool stuff because . . . well . . . you just don't.
obama does expose his true self in his statement. " if everybody is raising living standards".... in other words, not everyone is entitled to have a raised standard of living and who better to decide than him and other rulers like him.
Absolutely Phil, he always lets the cat out of the bag whenever his is speaking without prepared and approved remarks meant to keep the lemmings stirred up. I am always astounded at anyone who listens to obama and hears anything other than equestrian excrement. He and his entourage exhausted more greenhouse gases in this trip than any of the lemmings in his audience will do in a lifetime. Good thing they have all been trained what to think and not how to think. moochelle put them at ease though, she told them vacationing at the expense of the American taxpayers is like a prison. You can't make this stuff up..
0bama was invited recently to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nation in upstate New York... He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing every Native American's present standard of living...0bama was vague about the details, but, he seemed most enthusiastic about his ideas for helping his "Red Brothers and Sisters".....At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented 0bama with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, "Walking Eagle"...Proudly, 0bama accepted the plaque and then departed waving to the crowd....A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came to select the Indian name they had given to the President.... The Chiefs explained that "Walking Eagle" is the name given to a bird so full of sh*t it can no longer fly.....LOL
Great joke RJ. Hey James tell us all how pelosi and reid or any leftist dim for that matter offered to work with Bush. He gave them everything and they turned Bush bashing into a national sport anyway. When does obama become president and get some responsibility for his actions? Face it James he is an empty suit who speaks well from a teleprompter.
Both Pelosi and Reid and lots of leftist dims offered to work and did work with Bush by voting for the Iraq War authorization and all the Patriot Act thingees. Responsibility for President Obama will come on January 21, 2017.
Hey James do you remember when pelosi called $2/gal gas and 5% unemployment a complete failure of the Bush adiminstration? That was leading up to her and reids orchestrated destruction of the economy so the dims could win the whitehouse. Back then it was still the beasts before she got defeated by the very thing she was counting on to win, symbolism over substance. Leftism may not create jobs, wealth or prosperity but nothing comes close to it in creating irony.
Come on Phil, aren't President Obama and President Bush at this very moment playing kissy face with each other in Africa? You cannot blame someone you are playing kissy face with. Hmmm, is that spelled kissy or kissey?
James, ten to one, the itinerary dude/dudette who scheduled ‰bama to be in Tanzani simultaneously with President Bush has been dressed down . . . perhaps demoted . . . perhaps terminated . . . possibly even disappeared.
This was a scheduling screw up. Bush received an "invitation" to appear with zero. Read the body language. President Bush cowboyed up and "did the right thing."
So moochelle-I have never been proud of my country-obama is now suffering in the most undeserved pampered position in America as a prisoner. There is no end to the entitlement these two people feel. I bet the girls in the audience sure were glad they aren't in her shoes.
Cookie, and how is she a victim? If you refer to the White House prison, many presidents in the past have commented on how they are "confined" in the White House. Going out only under heavy guard and never free to go out alone.
Cookie, Presidents and their wives travel.
Never heard any complaints when Bush I, Bush II, Reagan, and Nixon traveled. I think Eisenhower was so tired of visiting exotic places in WWII that he was content to travel to his farm in Gettysburg and the local golf course.
Join the Army and see the world: England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Spain, Italy, Israel, Egypt, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines, Guam, Canada, Mexico, and the Socialist Republic of Berkeley and San Francisco. Little did I know when I was a young puppy.
“The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea promises to allow Edward Snowden to continue to leak anything he wants. We will provide him with many of the best top-secret hacking tools available in North Korea,” said a representative from the North Korean military.
“We are just so relieved that Snowden has finally found friendly shores,” said Glen Greenwild, the reporter who famously interviewed Edward Snowden in a Hong Kong hotel.
Snowden issued a statement written in Spanish, thanking North Korea for their commitment to freedom.
Phil, we need more foolishness in our lives and less arguing about Democrats and Tea/Republicans. There is nothing we can do about the political scene, it will just happen one way or the other. Shutting down the net, out.