Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Roundabout

EDITOR:

As a regular reader of the Mountain Democrat, especially the Letters to the Editor, I find that I have sometimes agreed with Mr. Alger and sometimes with Mr. Longhofer and Mr. Garon. For the first time I find that I disagree with all of them.

I have looked forward to the installation of the roundabout since I heard of the possibility several years ago. I use the Cedar Ravine/Clay Street/Main Street intersection several times a day. I find that getting out of Clay Street onto Main is problematic. All traffic from upper Main and Cedar Ravine merges together and forms a constant stream of vehicles.

The roundabouts that I have used were well marked, everyone seemed to know what they were doing, and had few problems, if any. Let’s not shut down this project. If we turn it down, there will be no money released for local use, since projects take time to be approved, and the money for this one will be gone, used elsewhere. The original reasoning for developing a roundabout included aligning Cedar Ravine and Clay Street, since both end at Main, offset by less than a block. If Clay is rerouted to join up with the current location of Cedar Ravine, the loss of parking will be the same. There is a one-lane bridge on Clay that would also be rebuilt as a part of this proposal. I think that the replacement of the one-lane bridge and the realignment of Clay to join Cedar Ravine is a great plan, with or without a roundabout. The roundabout came into the picture as a way to get funds.

The funding was obtained by getting a grant for cleaner air, by removing the stopping, idling, then accelerating that stop signs create. There is no cost to local government. If we do not use them, the available funds will be transferred to another municipality, not returned to taxpayers. I think that there is a bigger picture here than just a roundabout, and that our local government did a great job of finding the money for the roundabout and solving ancillary problems at the same time.

MADELEINE DAVIDSON
Placerville

Letters to the Editor

LEAVE A COMMENT

Discussion | 27 comments

  • FranJuly 09, 2013 - 3:54 pm

    So you dont care that people said "no"--took it to court and said the judge said "no"--see this is not about community...this is about money...let the money go. They promoted this as a "community" voting on it--well that turned out to be "not" the truth. And if that group gets away with one lie...how many more "in the name of money" will they try to get pass the people?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65July 26, 2013 - 6:47 am

    How is it that so many people have the perspective that money is free? The thinking of this letter is that if we don't spend it someone else will. How about no one spends it and the taxpayers get a break? How broke do you want to be? With thinking like this there is no need to explain how we are a nation with $17trillion in debt.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Phil VeerkampJuly 26, 2013 - 6:57 am

    Cookie, I believe that the thinking is, "Once you've lost your virginity what's a little more whoopee?" ~~~~ anyway, we're off to a reunion camp-out at Yellowstone. You're hall monitor, Cookie. Take no prisoners!!!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FranJuly 26, 2013 - 6:58 am

    Cookie--the same idea was posed to me the other night..."...they are people with money who want to help this community. If the groups dont get along--you will get nothing..." Since I hadnt asked for any thing--I was confused. another meeting someone asked, "what will happen if we do nothing?" There was no clear answer. I am not getting the principle behind this urge to "spend"--and im seeing friends back stab each other for this pot of gold--no one actually sees...I cant even see a rainbow at this point.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FranJuly 26, 2013 - 6:59 am

    they to there...sorry

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FranJuly 26, 2013 - 7:00 am

    Phil--have fun--be safe.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Phil VeerkampJuly 26, 2013 - 7:26 am

    Fran, I'll be keeping an eye no ya'll with my IPhone. Behave. Be nice.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Shaun the SheepJuly 26, 2013 - 8:06 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dxm7oidUipc

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Phil VeerkampJuly 26, 2013 - 8:35 am

    I think i reported abusive comment- sorry.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • cookie65July 26, 2013 - 9:05 am

    Have a great trip Phil. Enjoy the man-made green house gases that are being pumped out of the ground there.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • tinaJuly 26, 2013 - 10:42 am

    If you are worried about the stopping, idling, then accelerating then why not direct your attention to HWY50 just across the creek where on a bad day traffic can be backed up beyond smith flat from town center. The amount of wasted fuel and environmental impact to the clean air from that alone must put Placerville on the map as one of the worst spots for miles around.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • LpJuly 26, 2013 - 10:48 am

    How long has Madeleine lived in Placerville?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • J. OthersideJuly 26, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    I commute Westbound Hwy50 on Sunday afternoons, and typically bypass the Tahoe traffic congestion via Broadway/Mosquito/Main etc. The intersection that is most congested by far is the 4 way stop at Broadway and Mosquito. It is actually much less congested at the Cedar Ravine intersection even though the bulk traffic flows there. Seems to me that indicates the Cedar Ravine intersection is more efficient, for whatever reason. And I am a big fan of roundabouts. Just don't see the traffic data to justify the change there. IMHO.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • LpJuly 27, 2013 - 2:31 am

    J.Otherside...How long have you lived in Placerville? I mean since the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's?? Did you move here around the same time as Carol? Maybe a couple of years before? After? We have a history here, and most of us old ones don't want it erased by money and greed by some idiots that get themselves elected on the City Counsel. I agree on one thing you said.." I don't see the traffic data" It all kill the small businesses in that area. Let's all stand up and say no to the roundabout!!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Phil VeerkampJuly 27, 2013 - 6:33 am

    I second what LP said!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Walking TallJuly 27, 2013 - 6:36 am

    No to Roundabout; Yes to repaving Main Street and Upper Broadway, spruce up the city and they will come....

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • EvelynJuly 27, 2013 - 6:54 am

    Madeline writes: "The roundabout came into the picture as a way to get funds." If true, this means the roundabout did not come into being because it actually was NEEDED. Madeline believes the Roundabout will eliminate the "stopping, idling, then accelerating that stop signs create." For the sake of argument, assume this to be TRUE. Then, given that the actual bottleneck in this part of town is the Main St./Bedford Ave. intersection, perhaps our City Fathers & Mothers should find Federal funds to install a Roundabout at that particular intersection to keep traffic moving. (Don't ask me how that would work. I ain't no engineer!)

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • FranJuly 27, 2013 - 7:52 am

    Im just saying...with the film industry coming in...bright color shirts that say "no" to the roundabout makes a statement...a friend suggested gathering people up and down the streets--when the cameras scan the crowd-- hold hands (beat them at their own game of being "positive--for the greater good")...they said the "unity" alone--is "good" TV. See if you can fill those three blocks with a colorful "no."--who can fight that?

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • DB SmithJuly 27, 2013 - 9:12 am

    The city is obviously unable to maintain the existing roads especially our very own Main Street. Now they want to add an additional burden to their unmanageable task list. The current stop and go system has worked efficiently for a very long time and curbs the traffic speeds and I remember hearing of no vehicle, bike or pedestrian accidents. A roundabout would promote speeding issues since their are no stop signs. Most roundabout accidents are a result of unsafe speeds while entering and circulating, running off the road, rear ends and sideswipes. Roundabouts are not friendly to the elderly, handicap or pedestrian. No ROUNDABOUT... but please, at least repave our MAIN STREET.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • James E.July 27, 2013 - 10:38 am

    DB knows of what he speaks -- no roundabout! What doesn't the City Council get the message? The people do not want a roundabout. Wait, maybe it doesn't matter what the people want. Our betters will decide.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • robertdnollJuly 27, 2013 - 11:56 am

    traffic circles are the safest of all intersections,if a driver or pedestrian is not mentally capable then they need a chaperone

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • DB SmithJuly 27, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    robertdnoll, Can you site any notable accidents that have occured at the current and fuctional Cedar Ravine/Main Street intersection and after that can you then justify spending taxpayer dollars on constructing including the on going maintenance of a roundabout @ that location? http://www.carsarebasic.org/traffic.html

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • LpJuly 28, 2013 - 12:08 am

    I agree with DB!!

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • Phil VeerkampJuly 28, 2013 - 3:54 am

    I agree with Lp.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • robertdnollJuly 28, 2013 - 4:38 am

    we are slowly losing our freedom,the government imposing new laws on us without a vote by the people.we don't need politicians and policemen to make us wear seat belts

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • J. OthersideJuly 28, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    Lp; I was trying to dispute the need for a roundabout as well, and who the heck is Carol in this thread? Tina; you are right on track. If idling cars etc. are the problem, putting in one long overpass on Hwy.50 over the existing stoplights would eliminate a lot of idling time and obviate the need for traffic improvements in Placerville. In a roundabout way, of course...

    Reply | Report abusive comment
  • EvelynOctober 04, 2013 - 7:33 am

    The 10/22/13 City Council Agenda will include the First Reading of the Clay Street Project EIR, required for the Clay St / Cedar Ravine realignment, commonly known as the ROUNDABOUT PROJECT. To date there have been no public design workshops, promised at the April 30th Neighborhood Chat.

    Reply | Report abusive comment
.

News

Herard over the back fence: Try fishing at Wakamatsu

By Bob Billingsley | From Page: B1

 
Downtown group coordinates painting, awnings

By Wendy Schultz | From Page: A1

 
More mountain lion sightings reported

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: A1, 8 Comments

Supervisor Nutting trial begins

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A1, 71 Comments | Gallery

 
Sanford murder case to jury

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A1 | Gallery

 
Gearing tax questions to correct office saves time

By Treasurer-Tax Collector | From Page: A3

.

Opinion

My turn: More than a buzzword

By Special to the Democrat | From Page: A4, 23 Comments

 
Building restored

By Mountain Democrat | From Page: A4

 
Outstanding dog

By Mountain Democrat | From Page: A4

.

Letters

National Day of Prayer

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A5, 2 Comments

 
‘Parents, be afraid’ letter

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A5, 20 Comments

Ukranian situation

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A5, 4 Comments

 
Misquote

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A5, 9 Comments

Altshuler framing

By Letters to the Editor | From Page: A5, 9 Comments

 
.

Sports

Pitching the ‘Root’ cause of Trojans’ victory

By Mike Bush | From Page: A6 | Gallery

 
Pedal power at the forefront next month

By Jerry Heinzer | From Page: A6 | Gallery

Outside with Charlie: Transitioning

By Charlie Ferris | From Page: A6

 
Sports Scene: April 22, 2014

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A7

Roundup: April 22, 2014

By Democrat Staff | From Page: A7

 
.

Prospecting

4-H’ers star at showcase

By Dawn Hodson | From Page: B1 | Gallery

 
At a glance: Look for fireballs

By Mimi Escabar | From Page: B2, 1 Comment

Authors to share their stories

By Pat Lakey | From Page: B2, 2 Comments

 
Church to host human trafficking conference

By Pollock Pines | From Page: B3

Grow For It! Flower of Easter

By Barbara Schuchart | From Page: B5

 
.

Essentials

Crime Log: April 1-3

By Cole Mayer | From Page: A2

 
Weather stats 4-22-14

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2

Building permits 4/7-11/2014

By Michael Raffety | From Page: A2

 
.

Obituaries

Bobby Lloyd Bridges

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
Harry Frank Harper

By Contributor | From Page: A2, 6 Comments

Marion “Wayne” Griswold

By Contributor | From Page: A2

 
.

Real Estate

.

Comics

Rubes

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
New York Times Crossword

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Flying McCoys

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Speed Bump

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Tundra

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Horoscope, Thursday, April 24, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Horoscope, Wednesday, April 23, 2014

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Working It Out

By Contributor | From Page: A8

TV Listings

By Contributor | From Page: A8

 
Shoe

By Contributor | From Page: A8

Sudoku

By Contributor | From Page: A8