Wednesday, April 16, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
99 CENTS

Save lives of the innocent

EDITOR:

Several facts appear to be commonly accepted in America. First, there is a plethora of guns, many of which are high-powered, automatic assault weapons. Second, there is easy access to these guns. Third, there are a significant number of deranged people in our society. Finally, deranged people with powerful assault weapons can and do kill and injure a large number of innocent people.

Sane, caring and reasonable citizens must urge Congress to find ways to save the lives of innocent people without affecting those who hunt and those who wish to defend their property.

DON VANDERKAR
Placerville

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Discussion | 28 comments

  • EvelynJanuary 30, 2013 - 8:22 am

    Hearing – Hartford, CT “If Gun Control Did Work, DC and Chicago Would be Safest Cities in America” - HERE

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  • RichardFebruary 06, 2013 - 9:23 am

    The NRA leader says, "I think what they'll do is they'll turn this universal (background) check on the law-abiding into a universal registry on law-abiding people." Seems to be a baseless statement when you consider, they already know where you live. The other hunters and gun owners I know support background checks.

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  • cookie65February 06, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Several facts appear to be commonly accepted in America. First, there is a plethora of cars, many of which are high-powered, automatic assault weapons. Second, there is easy access to these cars. Third, there are a significant number of deranged people in our society. Finally, drunk people with powerful assault weapons can and do kill and injure a large number of innocent people. Sane, caring and reasonable citizens must urge Congress to find ways to save the lives of innocent people without affecting those who drive and those who wish to defend their property.

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  • cookieMonsterFebruary 06, 2013 - 12:05 pm

    Hey Cookie65 Lots HAS been done to make cars, roads, and driving safer for everyone. We have auto insurance, driver's licenses, registration, smog checks, driving tests, traffic laws and citations... Some states even have vehicle safety checks that need to be done every year or two in order to legally maintain a car. We now have air bags, anti-lock brakes, seat belts, and other safety technology built in to cars. We have public service announcements regarding safe driving and not driving while sleepy, intoxicated, or using a cell phone. We have organizations like MADD that have helped reduce drunk driving injuries and fatalities. We do research to study road safety, thus helping to direct health and safety efforts to areas that can further reduce the risks. Finally, we have much tougher laws and enforcement regarding drinking and driving (as well as other unsafe driving practices). In short, a lot of effort has gone into making roads safer, and we continue to make progress in that area. Reasonable people only want to see the same effort applied to gun ownership. Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of these types of activities are supported by the NRA for guns. Pretty unreasonable.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 06, 2013 - 12:56 pm

    Cookemonster...Driving is merely a granted privilege, gun ownership is a constitutional right....Huge difference....

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  • cookieMonsterFebruary 06, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    Where in the constitution does it say that gun ownership needs to be completely unregulated and unresearched? We have freedom of speech, and even that is regulated: libel, slander, public safety.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 06, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    R.J. you're right but the anti's won't concede anything

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 06, 2013 - 2:44 pm

    Cookiemonster, it says "shall not be infringed". That should be plain enough. Any more questions?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 06, 2013 - 3:00 pm

    Show me where in the constitution it reads that gun ownership needs to be completely regulated and researched constantly just to satisfy the liberal agenda?...If unchecked, Liberals would regulate everything up to and including the size of the sodas people can buy at their local convenience store....Oops too late...

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 06, 2013 - 4:33 pm

    BE FOREWARNED! The poster Richard owns an illegal SKS rifle and is looking to purchase illegal 30 round magazines, living right here in our county.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 06, 2013 - 5:05 pm

    Ken, how do you like your Kimber? I have a CDP Pro; a positively beautiful piece. You can get polished stainless 8 round magazines for it for about $30. Much nicer than the 7 rounder that comes with it. OBTW, since Richurd wouldn't sell me his, I bought an SKS at the gun show. A nice paratrooper job. Very cool.

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 6:47 am

    CAUGHT ON CAMERA - Yesterday: - ”Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or or guarantee that we will bring uh uh gun deaths down to a thousand a year from, from what it is now.” ********** Want to know who said it? HERE - Time to get honest about the real reason gun control is being vigorously pursued.

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 6:49 am

    answer: JOE BIDEN

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  • EvelynFebruary 07, 2013 - 12:42 pm

    Bad link at 6:47 am. HERE

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 08, 2013 - 8:30 am

    Paddy, I like it! I'm thinking about using it this year as my pack gun up in Alaska on my Dall sheep hunt because it's stainless. I always pack by S&W 686 44 mag. But that thing rusts every time. With the .45, if the situation arises, I can give 6 to the bear and save 1 for me. BTW I just found out that my Saiga 12 gauge AK-47 shot gun just got a little harder to find here in our fair state. Newtown informed me the state won't let them sell anymore of them. Why in the world would you want an ugly SKS? Are you suffering from Richard (d***) envy?

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 08, 2013 - 11:18 am

    It is certainly time to urge all liberals to return to the safety of their Bay Area homes where they can gather and blather their liberal assault on the Constitution among friends and neighbors. I would also urge all of them to visit a high crime inner-city area and see how safe they feel walking down streets in the wee hours so they can get a feel of what they want to create statewide with their demand for more disarmed citizens becoming crime victims and an increase, which is already being seen of crime. Criminals will be relieved and applaud the liberals new brilliant proposals and can increase and continue their favorite projects of home invasions, murders, and "wealth redistribution".

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  • RichardFebruary 08, 2013 - 11:32 am

    Another gun loving extremist voices his opinion on the need to have an assault weapon when the boogie man comes. The right thing to do is limit the access to assault type weapons...

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  • billzzFebruary 08, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Let me see if I can add some information. The only reason for the M-16 (or AR-15) .223 high velocity round was to get around the Geneva Convention. That specified that all weapons were to use a "full metal jacket" which precluded the round from disintegrating inside the body of the target. So dum-dum (or cross hatching the lead round to insure disintegration) was outlawed. The bullet could go through the body, but not explode, inside the body. Anyway, at Fort Benning, Georgia I saw the demonstration by the Colt Arms Company. They lined up a number of #10 cans of tomatoes (very big cans, used in food service)and the Fort Benning rifle team shot at them with the Garand M-1 rifle, which was the standard .30 caliber weapons issued to the US Army. The rounds went through the cans and tomato juice spilled out of the entrance and exit holes. Then they fired the new M-16 and the cans exploded. There was nothing left except metal shards and a pile of tomatos. The reason was that the high velocity .223 round tumbled when it hit and the high velocity kinetic energy translated into a shock wave which disintegrated the target. So they got around the Geneva Convention. I served in the Mekong Delta with the old Garand M1A1 carbine, which was full-automatic (but real slow) and mid-way in the tour we got M-16s. Holey-Moley Batman, what a difference. And I have run many rifle and pistol ranges (qualified for the Olympics) and the old M-1 could shoot 600 yards, and the M-16 could not, but I was very happy to have the M-16, because, in the Mekong Delta everything took place within a very few hundred yards. Anyway, it is not a weapon that the ordinary hunter would use (unless you want to see bunny blown to smithereens.) I understand hunting, and I understand home defense, but AR-15s, whether semi or full automatic (and it is real easy to convert one) should not be in the hands of anyone who is not really, really, certified to be a sane individual. You will not see photographs of anyone slain by an AR-15. You would not sleep again. Remember the #10 cans of tomatoes. There was nothing left but a pile of something that did not even look like tomatoes. Oh, well. Nothing is going to change.

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  • RichardFebruary 08, 2013 - 11:36 pm

    Billzz, thanks for taking the time to write this up. I’ve tried to explain how dangerous these weapon are. Its hard to relay to people what a AR-15 does to the body and how easy it is to convert to full automatic. Its not the weapon of choice for hunting or home defense if you have neighbors or family near by.

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  • EvelynFebruary 09, 2013 - 7:41 am

    Speaking of making things go 'splat' . . . HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 09, 2013 - 7:48 am

    "Obama Waives Bush Law Banning Child Soldiers" - HERE - (The Presidential Memorandum was signed September 28, 2012)

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 09, 2013 - 8:37 am

    Billz, your last sentence "Nothing is going to change" is most probably correct. Hey, did anyone hear that Panetta is recommending that the pay of our deployed troops be cut?

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 09, 2013 - 8:58 am

    What should be said is that the Colt AR is a platform of a lower assembly and upper assembly that can be used for a number of calibers from the .22 long rifle to the 30 calibers, it is used for hunting more now then ever in every state using effective cartridges for any game in the country. The .223 is used by ranchers throughout the country for predator and varmint control and is also used by millions for target shooting and home defense. It is not the gun or the caliber to focus on, it is the person behind it. Simply put to reduce crime, lock up criminals, felons in possession of guns to start with and the documented mentally ill that are causing so much of this need to be dealt with. Where are the legislative proposals?

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  • James E.February 09, 2013 - 9:32 am

    Paddy, if the SecDef did, in fact, propose cutting troop pay I'm not surprised. Somehow, with all the waste in the DOD budget (see editorial in today's SacBee about the tanks the Army doesn't want but the Congress continues to authorize -- 280 new tanks at $8 million each -- think that comes to $2.2 billion), their solution to save money is to cut troop pay. Seems similar to the national debate Take it from the little people while the big boys rake in the profits. The rest of the story? The company that makes the tanks showers the Congress with contributions. Bribery? Of course not, just good capitalist business.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 09, 2013 - 9:50 am

    Messed up for sure James. One the most powerful lobbies on the planet is the MIC and as long as they have unlimited access to DC pols, we will have War. It's just good business.

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  • EvelynFebruary 09, 2013 - 10:33 am

    Paddy: Spot on. "10 of the Biggest Lobbies in Washington" - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 09, 2013 - 10:35 am

    "Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961" - HERE

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  • EvelynFebruary 09, 2013 - 10:39 am

    Eisenhower Farewell Address - VIDEO (15min) - HERE

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