Wednesday, April 23, 2014
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Second Amendment intent

EDITOR:

In relationship to the Second Amendment, a gun fired in 1776 required that you put powder in the pan, stuff a ball down the barrel, use a piece of flint to ignite the powder, then shoot. This procedure took from 30 to 60 seconds. Also, the country depended on the militia to support and defend it, so it had to be armed.

Fast forward to 2013. Now we have arms that shoot, let’s say, at least 1,000 times faster than our old muzzle loader. We have a professional military to defend us, so the intent of the Second Amendment is no longer valid.

Now, I’m not proposing the elimination of the Second Amendment. What I am suggesting is that we can’t use what was valid in 1776 to excuse all and any type of weaponry in 2013. Using the Second Amendment as a battle cry to excuse the use of weapons that have no other purpose than to kill, is ridiculous.

BARRY TYRRELL
Gun owner, Placerville

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  • Randy RobinsonFebruary 20, 2013 - 2:50 pm

    In response to Mr.Tyrrell's comment on the "intent" of the Second Amendment. I belong to a large nation wide club that competes to see how many rounds we can put in the black in a short period of time. We depend on skill, concentration and semi-automatic rifles that utilizes large capacity magazines. We then post our results on the internet to compare ourselves with other competitors around the country. Responsible gun ownership, education, saftey, and a whole lot of fun is our primary goal. We obay all gun laws and most of us have never even had a parking ticket. Your comment that the Second Amendment is and excuse to allow people to use weaponry that has "no other purpouse than to kill" is flawed in two respects. One, our rifles have but one very useful purpose, to serve us with rest and relaxation. The only thing we kill is paper. Secondly, fully automatic assult rifles which were indeed created only to kill, are not protected by the Second Amendment because they are outlawed. The rifles I use, although they look like assult rifles, do not have a fraction of the destructive capablility of an assult rifle. I know all to well, I have used both. I urge our elected official to seperate the good guys from the bad guys by enforcing the strict gun laws we already have and keep all firearm out of the hands of those that would use them for destructive purposes. Leave the law abiding folks alone.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 21, 2013 - 8:34 pm

    So with regard to the "not following orders" post that went viral (in Hangtown, anyway), I'd like to hear a vet's take on the following article. I personally think Obama's playing with fire here..."Veterans are receiving letters from Obama administration prohibiting the ownership of firearms" Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:50 (Before It's News) Veterans are receiving letters from Obama administration prohibiting the ownership of firearms Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D....http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/02/veterans-are-receiving-letters-from-obama-administration-prohibiting-the-ownership-of-firearms-2582564.html

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:39 pm

    Paddy, how could the administration prohibit a veteran from buying a gun? I suppose if you were on active duty, but veterans? Sounds like a rumor like many others.

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  • James E.February 21, 2013 - 8:50 pm

    OK, read the reference web site. Lawyer claims letters from VA to veterans concerning purchase of weapons. Lawyer says he has the letter, but didn't show it. If true, these are letters from VA to veterans with mental issues.

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:02 am

    Mr Tyrrell (gun owner), I haven't noticed ANYONE, here or elsewhere, promoting personal access to "all and any type of weaponry". Continually on these pages people keep speaking such nonsense. Very truly yours, Evelyn (not a gun owner)

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:17 am

    TOP LIBERAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAW EXPERT: GUN OWNERSHIP IS AN INDIVIDUAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AS IMPORTANT AS FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR RELIGION - HERE - In fact, Turley wrote in 2007 … in a post entitled “A Liberal’s Lament: The NRA Might Be Right After All“: For more than 200 years, progressives and polite people have avoided acknowledging that following the rights of free speech, free exercise of religion and free assembly, there is “the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” Of course, the very idea of finding a new individual right after more than two centuries is like discovering an eighth continent in constitutional law, but it is hardly the cause of celebration among civil liberties groups. Like many academics, I was happy to blissfully ignore the Second Amendment. It did not fit neatly into my socially liberal agenda. More important, the mere reference to a purpose of the Second Amendment does not alter the fact that an individual right is created. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is stated in the same way as the right to free speech or free press. The statement of a purpose was intended to reaffirm the power of the states and the people against the central government. At the time, many feared the federal government and its national army. Gun ownership was viewed as a deterrent against abuse by the government, which would be less likely to mess with a well-armed populace.

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:22 am

    The next several "comments" from me, quotes from the above article, will appear as Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Mason, authors of said quotes.

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  • NancyFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:22 am

    Last year I read the book 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'. I knew very little about Hitler and the Nazis and wanted to learn more. By the time I finished with that book, which took about 6 months to read, I concluded it would be best for all law abiding citizens of the world to own a bazooka, assault rifles, and any other weapon that would stop an opportunistic foreign or domestic invader from taking their lives, property and freedom. Never, never, never give up your guns or you will face tyranny. Guaranteed.

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  • Thomas JeffersonFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:24 am

    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

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  • George WashingtonFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:25 am

    "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

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  • James MadisonFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:26 am

    "(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

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  • Alexander HamiltonFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:27 am

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government…"

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  • George MasonFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:28 am

    "To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them."

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  • Ben FranklinFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:31 am

    "Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t."

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 6:34 am

    Give it a rest. You clowns choose to ignore hundreds of quotes from the founders regarding the citizens right to defend themselves from of all things, a tyrannical government. Try an imagine how much George Washington would have loved an AK. They had the need to throw off a tyrannical government and the wrote the 2nd Amendment so their descendents would have the "uninfringed" right to do the same. Wake the h3// up. Here is the latest on the USDA taxpayer funded nonsense training. http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/21/in-sensitivity-training-class-usda-employees-recite-past-us-discrimination/

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:35 am

    Professor Jonathan Turley (from the above much-quoted article) concludes with this: "And – as hard as it might be to believe – Gandhi also railed against gun control by the British in India as taking away the right of the Indian people to defend themselves from abuse by the government."

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 6:37 am

    "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 6:48 am

    It is important to understand the true motives of lemmings like Barry. In their limited thinking they are entitled to the earnings of others. Denying the citizens right to defend themselves from the government is the end all to having total access to what other people earn. Social justice, economic justice, social contract, equal distribution of wealth. Take away someones ability to defend their private property and you take away the basis of all freedom. And what obama voter wouldn't support that.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 6:58 am

    In relationship to the Second Amendment, those fighting for liberty had the identical weapons as the tyrannical government that was oppressing them.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:13 am

    493 County Sheriffs and counting ... http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/topics/county-sheriff-s-honor-roll... ...Also numerous firearms and FA components manufacturers are publicly refusing to sell to New York governmental agencies until they repeal their stupid anti-gun laws. Those idiots have to buy their guns from the same places we do..http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/20/have-any-more-gun-makers-stopped-selling-to-anti-2nd-amendment-states-oh-yeah-lots-more/

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:15 am

    493 County Sheriffs and counting ... http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/topics/county-sheriff-s-honor-roll... ...Also numerous firearms and FA components manufacturers are publicly refusing to sell to New York governmental agencies until they repeal their stupid anti-gun laws.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 7:20 am

    Barry, no one is denying you the right to be a subject of the government. So why would you deny others right to be a citizen? It is so typical of leftists to want everyone to live according to their socialist views. A few months back I took my little dog to the vet for vaccination, parvo and distemper. I told the vet NO RABIES shot. My little dog is full grown and weighs 3.5 lbs. The vet told me "don't let the state of California find out". I told the vet "this dog doesn't belong to the state of California, she belongs to me". The vet had a look of shock and astonishment on her face like that kind of thinking was completely foreign to her. And that is the problem. Not enough people exercise their freedom.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 7:47 am

    Cookie, and the reason you didn't want your dog to have the rabies shot?

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:56 am

    "Dog Rabies Vaccination Side Effects" - HERE

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 7:59 am

    Evelyn, I had no idea the shot had side effects. Now, I'm off to take my little dog to the Vet (not for shots).

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  • MartinFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:36 am

    I think that a government that has decided to put together a second army to administer Obama’s rule needs to be looked at especially if they have to take litmus test to see if they would bear arms against another US citizen. This alone makes the right to bear arms equal to the oppressor a must. I don’t hunt or target practice anymore, but I am a Vietnam Vet and expert shot; if our nation ever needs me I will be there standing proud with all the weaponry that I can carry. My weapons will stay in the gun safe until they are needed.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:44 am

    I didn't know about the side effects of rabies either. My "little dog" is full grown too-all 110 pounds of him (malamute), and I don't vaccinate either. Anybody ever hear of the side effects of DTP on our our kidlets? Thimerosal is nasty, nasty stuff. No thanks.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 9:45 am

    I have another one for you James. If you are ever in a hospital long enough that they prescribe heparin shots, heparin is used to prevent blood clots in the legs and they hurt like ^%$^^&. But it is really used to keep the nurses from helping the patients get out of bed to walk which is the best prevention of blood clots in the legs. Just tell the nurse "I am refusing that shot and if you touch me with that needle it is assault and battery". I promise you that you will get their undivided attention. Plus it will get you released that much sooner. I taught my kids and all their friends that if you don't know your rights you don't have any.

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  • RichardFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:49 am

    Martin, what do you think the chances would be of this happening? (especially if they have to take litmus test to see if they would bear arms against another US citizen). I don know what your job was in the military but I bet one thing, we would both agree are guns belong in the gun safe.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 9:57 am

    Cookie, I usually go with what doctors and nurses want when I'm in the hospital. If, not, I'm likely to get some rectal flushes in retaliation. I did have a dispute with a doctor recently. I found a lump on my arm, but the doctor refused a biopsy and said my insurance was unlikely to pay for it. I told him that any lump I find in my body WOULD have a biopsy even if I had to pay for it. Biopsy was benign and insurance paid, but it has destroyed my relationship with that doctor. Doctors like older people to do meekly what they are told or they are seen as uncooperative. What doctor wouldn't want to biopsy a suspect tumor? I'm not dead yet.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 10:32 am

    James, the AP is reporting the less than 9% of the flu vaccinations this year for the elderly were effective. But all those who got one now have a diminished imune system. What they don't know can hurt you. Learning how to stick up for yourself when it comes to medical treatments is a must. I read this morning that women who are nursing are taking prescription medication to increase breastmilk. And we wonder why kids are having mental and other medical problems.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 10:36 am

    My file has a note that discribes me as rude and combative. That is probably difficult for you to believe. I am a patient not a subject or a file number and they all know it.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 10:45 am

    Cookie, rude and compative? Yes, hard to believe.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 10:47 am

    ***strike compative, add combative.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 22, 2013 - 11:00 am

    if you don't vaccinate your dogs then their not licensed and pose a deadly risk to all mammals in your area.Ignorant arrogance,talk about freeloading.Your vet should lose her license,you should lose your animals and i will make sure animal control aware of your criminality

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 11:17 am

    robertdnoll, a subject of government. Given up citizenship of his own free will. My teacup Chihuahua does not pose a deadly risk to other mammals. No she is not licensed. And never will be. I don't need the government permission to own a dog. You are the type that believes the only thing wrong with government is there isn't nearly enough of it. How did we ever survive without a government agency for every possible event in our lives? Do you buy toilet paper with instructions printed on it?

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  • bobs-tipsFebruary 22, 2013 - 11:20 am

    677-1304 leave a message please

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 11:33 am

    Cookie, so we both have Chihuahuas. I knew we were peeps under the skin. You know how someone really has Chihuahuas? They know how to spell Chihuahua.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 22, 2013 - 11:49 am

    El Dorado Co Animal Services 530-621-7631

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 11:53 am

    Actually James I have two. They are the 3rd and 4th that I have had. The two I have now have two big sisters. A 90lbs chocolate lab and a 65lbs standard poodle. Both of which have all their vaccinations including rabies because larger dogs don't have the issues little dogs have and they actually spend more time without supervision. My little dogs are either indoors or supervised. And the state doesn't have to do it for me. Chihuahua's are believed to be the smartest animals in existance with equal size brains. Mine are definitely smarter than some people who post here. Sorry cllea and richard. And poodles are wicked smart. I love dogs because they are incapable of lying.

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  • Jim RiordanFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    Col. James and Cookie . . Is that pronounced chee-who-a-who-a? Ok, just kidding. . . Gotta go now my Bee-gal wants lunch.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    Communicable Disease Reporting 530-621-6100

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:19 pm

    Hey Robert..Quit picking on Cookie..I like Cookie...

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 12:26 pm

    Jim, that is exactly how I pronounce it.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 12:30 pm

    Robert, is that number good for reporting the mental disease of liberalism? Go to one of our Univesities of repeat after me and you will see that it is communicable.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:35 pm

    By all means, Robertn'doll, let's all snitch on one another. "If you see something, say something". What have YOU got to hide buddy? Tell us a little more about yourself and I'm sure we can find something you're doing wrong. Hell, our buddy Richurd is a gun owner, and an illegal drug user and yet wants to confiscate my firearms (not personally, he's not brave enough for that). Snitching was one of Hitler's tools, tool.

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  • CherylFebruary 22, 2013 - 12:58 pm

    Yeah really Robert, indoor animals don't need the same vaccines as outdoor animals. Just like they don't need the poisonous flea and tick drops. I have cats that never go outside and I save a lot of money not having to buy expensive drops for them. Plus, if you have been paying attention, Cookie is not intimidated, so posting phone numbers and making threats will do not good.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 1:30 pm

    Robert, 2-3 million people die every year from malaria. We have the cure, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (ddt), should we use it?

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 1:56 pm

    Every medical professional on the planet will tell you if you don't have to have a medication don't take it. And where some medications are concerned, don't take one drop more than what you need. Blind faith in government and people who "know" what is best for you is naive. http://www.webmd.com/news/20121003/4-dead-tainted-spinal-steroids

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:02 pm

    Why is it that people like Barry always say they are a gun owner? Barry don't! Your choice to not have one and why would you? So if Barry owned a Hawkins black powder rifle. Per his concept it would be illegal under the Second Amendment because it wasn't invented until 1815. I have a challenge for the socialist democrats that claim they fear the NRA members shooting some one. Name an incident where this happened! How many democrat socialist have been involved in gun shootings, or threats with a gun lately? Christopher Dorner, John Cobarruvias Texas State Democrat Party, Jared Loughner, Giffords shooter. Someone by the way the left tried to pin on the right. Radical Left-Wing & Registered Democrat, Obama Supporter, Occupy Black Bloc Member James E. Holmes Shoots Up Aurora Co Movie Theater. I could go on and on. Here in our county Nut jobs like Richard Sandness brags on his post that he owns an ilegal SKS rifle and is trying to purchase illegal 30 round clips on the internet. There is a pattern here. It must be identified. Left wing radicals are trying to disarm America while at the same time attacking and killing helpless Americans.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 2:23 pm

    Ken, let's see, I'm not radical left wing, and I don't even know what a black bloc member is. My memory of the Gifford shooting was my commenting on the map of the cross hairs published by Sarah Palin. Beyond that, you will have to refresh my memory, as I cannot remember what I had for lunch yesterday. Ken, I'm a liberal but I don't want to disarm you nor do I want to give up my pistol. In sum, you seem overly excited.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 2:34 pm

    Cookie, back from the Vet and my little boy has a mass in his spleen. Surgery to remove his spleen next week -- if it's really bad cancer they will want to put him on chemo. Chemo only extends life for around 6 months and I don't want to put him through the pain and agony. But, not sure yet -- will have to find out the latest after his surgery. They become part of our families -- I don't want to lose my little boy. It's a sad thing.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:34 pm

    James, so? You are not a member of the socialist democrat party. I get it. You can't name an NRA member involved in a mass shooting. Fine. Why would you post?

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 22, 2013 - 2:41 pm

    James, while on a hunting trip my wife notified me that our toy yorkie, "Mocha" had been ran over. I was with 13 of my tough guy employees but couldn't keep it together. It must of been very awkward for my guys to watch me being upset over the loss of my dog while hunting wolves. But I absolutely loved my dog and miss him dearly today.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 2:49 pm

    Ken, I lost my little boy Fernando on 11/20/07, just a few days before Thanksgiving. I got him at 8 weeks and we were together night and day for six years. He died of kidney disease. At Thanksgiving dinner with me sitting at the head of the table, I burst out crying and cried through the entire dinner. Hard to lose a little friend.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    I am truly sorry to hear that James. One of my little dogs years ago had a lump on her foot that was malignant, she had surgery and they removed two toes. even though she was 11 years old she recovered very well and never had any more problems. She looked like she had a chicken foot. She was good for many more years. Chemo is a tough choice and I hope for the best for your little dog. Their companionship is like no other.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    Beyond The Rainbow As much as I loved the life we had and all the times we played, I was so very tired and knew my time on earth would fade. I saw a wondrous image then of a place that's trouble-free Where all of us can meet again to spend eternity. I saw the most beautiful Rainbow, and on the other side Were meadows rich and beautiful -- lush and green and wide! And running through the meadows as far as the eye could see Were animals of every sort as healthy as could be! My own tired, failing body was fresh and healed and new And I wanted to go run with them, but I had something left to do. I needed to reach out to you, to tell you I'm alright That this place is truly wonderful, then a bright Glow pierced the night. 'Twas the Glow of many Candles shining bright and strong and bold And I knew then that it held your love in its brilliant shades of gold. For although we may not be together in the way we used to be, We are still connected by a cord no eye can see. So whenever you need to find me, we're never far apart If you look beyond the Rainbow and listen with your heart.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 4:20 pm

    My best wishes on your little buddy James. Anybody who says "they're only pets" doesn't get it, cause they're a lot more. I love my malamute. I even like my wife's "Chipperke" (Chihuahua/schipperke mix). When my own Schipperke was killed by a mountain lion a few years back I sat on the kitchen floor and bawled like a baby. Hurt like hell. I'm sad for you.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 4:37 pm

    Thanks, Paddy.

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    Keep us posted James. When's the surgery?

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 4:50 pm

    Paddy, treatment completed, just waiting now to see if I wake up in the AM. I love to wake up in the AM.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    OK, OK, enough, let's get back to calling me political names or noting my infamous military background.

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  • James E.February 22, 2013 - 4:57 pm

    Back later.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    James I think that it's in your DNA to take on all adversaries. I'm pretty sure, in your younger years, that when there were 2 groups of adversaries in a scrum and they called out the two toughest, you would inherently always step forward. So, in your psyche you're fighting the good fight. When in reality no one from the Right here in our county has ever looked at you as the enemy. James sometimes people need to stand on their own. Mr Centurion I have learned, one must sacrifice to appreciate others who have sacrificed. You are appreciated sir. If only by your adversaries.

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:27 pm

    Cookie, that is the most beautiful thing ever written on these post. Thank you.

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  • RichardFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    After reviewing the last fifty post mostly by tea party advocates many who have the tendency to lie, my total complete and undevided support is with you. I encourge your lack of party discipline, I encourge those who feel that their own personal political agenda is more important than the broader republician or even the democratic platforms to continue, for your transparent simplistic efforts to resist gun control and reminding the American public that the Republican Party is full of intransigent imbeciles with no grasp of reality or of the basic concept of what it takes to govern and care for our nation. Thank you for ensureing Democrats will continue to hold the majority of political power in the United States well into the future, as an independent this makes me very happy.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 6:45 pm

    Chicago’s conceal carry ban overturned - LINK - CHICAGO — A federal appeals court on Friday narrowly rejected Illinois’ request to reconsider a ruling that found the state’s concealed carry weapons ban unconstitutional, leaving lawmakers in the only state that still prohibits concealed carry more certain than ever they must come up with a new law. - - - Pack ’em if you got ‘em . . .

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  • EvelynFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    Richard: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Mason, Ben Franklin and Gandhi were not Tea Party. Were they liars?

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  • Ken SteersFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    And then there is Richard Sandness. Proud member of the Eldorado County Democratic Central Committee. A staunch advocate for socialism and happy to scrounge for the crumbs that our government feeds him. A sad pathetic creature who owns an SKS rifle. not unlike Christopher Dorner. Two things to remind psycho Sandness. 1. In California there is a back ground check for mental stability. And 2. You are breaking the law with your SKS you wormy little psycho!

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Richurd,you are a skid-mark on the shorts of America. -Sorry 'bout that ladies.

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  • RichardFebruary 22, 2013 - 7:51 pm

    When ideiots like steers keep repeating the same story even though they have been corrected numouous tiimes, its called lieing.. When ideiots like Steers keep calling someone a Democrat when they have been informed numoriuus times the person is an indepent, it its lieing, when ideiots like steers keep repeating someone owns an sks after being informed its part of an unsettled out of state estate not settled, ite lieing. When an idediot like steers speaks about mental stability even though he lies a lot, I would guess he's speaking from personal experience.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:20 pm

    we don't need the government to tell us what to do,don't wear a seat belt,better yet don't put your children in a car seat

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  • bobs-tipsFebruary 22, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    ure onto sumptin, Robert. Kids take two dang much space as it is. An specially in that kar seat. Best to hang um buy a strap an stik em out the kar window like i always do. more good ideas, robert?

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    Richard the independent. At the risk of repeating myself. Leftists would be slightly less intolerable of they weren't so blatantly dishonest.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    Robert, my curiosity causes me to question why anyone needs the government to tell them to wear a seatbelt. Are you truly that incapable of making any responsible decisions for yourself? Do we not spend enough taxpayer money on the thousands of signs, commercials and public service announcements for you to have learned by now it is a good idea? I understand that some people are slow but you must be going backwards. I bet you are a real joy around a hot stove. How many times have you been to the UCDavis burn unit?

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  • R ichardFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    Once again a small group of loudmouth tea party individuals are trying to state what they stand for, let me help them out because I would guess most if not all the gun punks trying to follow them havent any idea or really care. The tea party’s advocating they shouldn’t have to pay taxes. They claim that they are American patriots, that they are responsible people, that they have family values, and that they are true America. All of their claims are lies. With the government, it is not "pay or not pay." It is "pay now or pay later." For as long as you have military, police, roads, schools, fire departments, courts, universities, social security, and further on down the line, you will have the government. Whose bills will be footed either by you or by your children? That is the underlying reality, and no amount of dogma or shouting will change it. The tea party advocates doing away with restrictions on tobacco and unlimited guns sales in return for million in donations. What do you call a group that doesn’t want to pay taxes; supports cigarettes and guns, stupid come to mins. The tea party are the prostitutes of our political system.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 9:09 pm

    Robert, allow me to offer you a simple lesson in freemarket economics. Let's say I manufacture cars and on my car lot I have to cars. One has seatbelts and one does not. If you are my customer which one would you buy? Most likely the one with the seatbelts. As the car manufacturer how am I going to respond? I will build more cars with seatbelts. All of a sudden all cars come with seatbelts because of consumer demand and we didn't need a multi-billion dollar government agency to accomplish it.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    Richard, what do you call a group that doesn't want to pay taxes? obama voters. Your entire diatribe is a testament to that fact. You, like all other leftists want everyone else to pay for the stuff you want.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:21 pm

    to much government,there should not be a law that people who are riding on motorcycles need to wear helmets

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    Richard must have found a liquor store that will take EBT cards for some Early Times. If we just wind him up and let him go he may disclose the depths of his communist tendencies. It is a lot like Bass fishing. Except Bass are a little smarter.

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  • cookie65February 22, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Robert show me the Constitutional authority granted to the federal government to make people wear a motorcycle helmet. It doesn't exist. What part of that don't you understand? I have a feeling you actually know it which is why you brought it up. The word is LIBERTY.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 22, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    LINK - Just for Richard

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  • robertdnollFebruary 22, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    be free,don't vaccinate your children against polio

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 23, 2013 - 6:10 am

    Robert if you've ever known someone who contracted polio from the "vaccination", you'd think differently. You sound like another skid mark.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 23, 2013 - 7:07 am

    so Noble of you to send your children out into the world without being inoculated while you are safe because you were,BRAVO stand up and cheer what a bastion of freedom from tyranny

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 23, 2013 - 7:53 am

    My kids are/were home schooled bob. I didn't delegate their upbringing to some tool who cares little or nothing for them. They are being inoculated against the most dangerous disease of our time-liberalism. In the few charter school classes they did take, they gave their teachers fits because they didn't open wide and swallow the spoon fed socialist doctrine. They questioned everything and gave a good balance to many of the other students, many of whom were persuaded by my kids. Teachers couldn't wait till my three graduated :^) :^) :^)

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 7:58 am

    Robert, your argument gets weaker and weaker the more you say. The Costitution LIMITS the federal government no matter how much you dislike it. This country was founded on the basis of freedom. Some people don't fare well under freedom, they just aren't cut out for it. They actually need to be told on a moment by moment basis how to go about living. You obviously fall into that catagory. Others thrive under freedom which is predictably why people like you feel the need to put an end to freedom. It just isn't fair. I understand how frustrating it must be to wake up everyday with the exact same freedom as everyone else and see others excel while you wallow in mediocrity. But without freedom all the things you take for granted wouldn't exist. If it weren't for all the houses on the beach to live in there wouldn't be so many dumpsters for others to live in.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 23, 2013 - 8:29 am

    my children can ride in the back of my pick up truck with my dogs,no government authority can tell me that is against the law,we just want our freedom to get our tattoos

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  • Paddy O'furnitureFebruary 23, 2013 - 8:47 am

    Cookie, doesn't robert sound suspiciously like Richurd? I think we have yet another alias. So, anyway...

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  • DB SmithFebruary 23, 2013 - 8:54 am

    Richard, I don't think anyone is suggesting no government, but how about much less government with much more accountability?

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  • bobs-tipsFebruary 23, 2013 - 9:04 am

    bob n rich r a grate duo with a really really really good comedie routeen and they stay up late at nite making up lines about what they hate which is mostly other people. but bob thinks about tatoos and pickups and shots for kids n dogs and rich jess does tee party and guns lovers and why are you so stoopid is his most favrit line. more instalments of there routeen will pop up exactly when we expect them. I jess jess luv this adorable twosum. give em a klap.

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 9:18 am

    Robert, actually we did ride around in the back of a pick-up truck. Usually on to of a cord of firewood with chainsaws, splitting mauls, and logging chains. Good thing for us the educated idiots from places like Berkley who had never set foot in the forest came along and saved us from ourselves. Which is why people like me have witnessed the chipping away at our freedom by an ever intrusive government. I hate to be the one to break it to you Robert, but when you go to the grocery store and buy food, the chances are high that the food you purchase (or the taxpayers purchase for you) comes from a ranch that some unlicensed 12 year old drives around on including the public roads. And without them people like you would go hungry.

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Paddy, the similarities are the groupthink. They truly are nothing more than a school of fish. You only have to hear one of them to be exposed to all that they believe. My guess is Richard is nursing a case of the bourbon flu this morning. His eyes will see firstlight sometime around mid-day. Robert sounds more like the opposite, coming down off something where any sign of rational thinking is lacking.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 23, 2013 - 9:40 am

    don't need any government to make a highway for me to bring my homegrown tomatoes to market,don't need no CHP to tell me when I'm driving to fast,don't need no government to tell me PG&E is charging me an unfair rate.Go away government i never need you for anything

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  • DB SmithFebruary 23, 2013 - 9:45 am

    Robert, I don't think anyone is suggesting no government, but how about much less government with much more accountability?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 23, 2013 - 10:05 am

    Hey Bob..(Robert).....How long have I know ya 10 years?...So, I know how much you love to trout fish, so just for fun, I was going to cut & past all the insane rules and regulations our bored, overbearing government has imposed on your favorite pastime over the years...It would have clogged the MD website for about an hour so I decided not to.....Cowboy

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 10:11 am

    Robert, your stategy is the typical leftist attempt to make anyone who disagrees with you sound extreme and unreasonable. You have actually been trained how to do it even though you may not be aware of it. It goes like this, if someone knows global warming is a fraud accuse them of not wanting clean air and water. If someone knows the EPA is the most despicable form of government ever conceived of in a representive republic then accuse them of wanting to destroy the oceans and pollute the planet. If someone knows that 600+ federal government agencies is outrageous and unConstitutional then accuse them of not wanting any government at all. The only thing you are accomplishing is to show us all how well the indoctrination worked on you and your total lack of critical thinking skills.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 23, 2013 - 10:18 am

    Robert, big government just keeps pounding away at our basic rights. While we are hard at work making a living and raising our kids, the politicians are hard at work trying to figure out more ways to control our every move. They themselves don't even abide by or enforce a lot of the current laws that are in effect. They are content in creating more laws on top laws as long as it fits their personal interests. A very small example is that it's bullsh*t that a person can't even go to the local store and purchase a 100 Watt incandescent light bulb for the simple right to see. Instead big government and the environmentalist know best for us and tells us we are getting rid of those energy wasting light bulbs even if it means you can't see as well. Instead the government wants you to purchase the new and improved energy smart bulb that takes for ever to get to operating output so you can see anything. So that my elderly mom can see things at night, I purchased two cases of 100 watt clear incandescent bulbs on the internet before the government intervenes and stops that. We could go on and on with examples but I hope you get the understanding of it.

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  • robertdnollFebruary 23, 2013 - 10:19 am

    DB bingo

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  • robertdnollFebruary 23, 2013 - 10:29 am

    R.J. again BINGO.But i still stand by my belief that people should obey the law,complain about it,try to change it,that is magnificent but to just declare that you won't comply comes with a price

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 10:36 am

    If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.-Winston Churchill

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 10:39 am

    I guess Rosa Parks should have gone to the back of the bus.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 23, 2013 - 10:48 am

    Parks was a perfect example Cookie.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 23, 2013 - 11:01 am

    Good point Cookie...Personally, I think it would be a much stronger Nation if more folks stood up against both laws regulations that were passed in direct violation of constitutional rights.....Sometimes I think politicians create laws just to look busy...

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 11:12 am

    On Jan. 1 of this year California had 800+ new laws take effect and the federal government had 400+ new regulations take effect. Some how I don't think we had that many unaddressed issues. We have gone for a system of representation to a system of continous limitation.

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 11:29 am

    Think of it this way. In 1969 we landed men on the moon with computers that did not have the capability to store the laws that have been passed since the lunar landing. The only way for government to get bigger is for the rights of citizens to get smaller.

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 23, 2013 - 11:40 am

    For those out there still unaware of just how bad it's getting just look up H.R. 347 ...Our 1st Amendment was just taken away not long ago as yet another hidden hush bill was quietly pushed thru.... It is now a federal crime & felony to peacefully protest or voice your opinion on any political subject or in the presence of any political party or person.....Punishable by imprisonment!....I'm going to hope this bill was only passed in order to stifle the Occupy Movement, but it seems to casts a wide net over everyone's freedom of speech since it has silenced everyone's right to disapprove thru protest......

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 12:33 pm

    R.J., H.R. 347, passed by the House 388 to 3, and passed by the Senate by unanimous consent. Signed into law by the President on March 8, 2012. The three voting against was two Republicans and one Democrat. As with most bad laws, this could have been stopped in the House but all the "patriots" saluted. In a lot of our current national security lives, I think Osama won (even if we did kill him).

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 23, 2013 - 1:17 pm

    Just a little reminder.....On this day in history....February 23rd 1945 our U.S. Marines gallantly raised our stars & stripes over an island in the pacific named Iō-tō or "sulfur island".....We Americans called it IWO JIMA

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  • RichardFebruary 23, 2013 - 1:24 pm

    I cant help but admit, there are some things that I get about the Tea Party, but mostly, the thinking of tea party members is a confusing mystery to me. I think they need to be called out for their BS: They insist their for free market and less government interference, when they seem to want the government to impose religious and moral ‘values’ on those of us who may not share said values. Don’t talk to me about wanting to pay fewer taxes, while you are supporting Republican handouts to millionaires. In fact, take your stupid costume, your stupid selfish ideas, your racism, and small minded bigotry and just leave, you would be an asset to any third world county. And if it turned out you weren’t an asset, they could just steal your assets and kill you.

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  • RichardFebruary 23, 2013 - 2:13 pm

    Carter,Iwo Jima: Among us here in El Dorado County walked one of the men who helped raised the first flag on Iwo Jima on Feb. 23, 1945. He was a mild manned man, common in appearance, who worked at channel two in Oakland, returning to SLT years ago. When he came to Placerville to be among us he spoke little of the events during WW11, but knowing his background his silence spoke volumes. We were to spend Veterans Day 2007 with him, but he was summoned by the Commandant of the US Marine Corp on behalf of the Marines Heritage Museum to come to Virginia to participate in the signing of an oil painting with the remaining few from that day. The Corps commissioned the painting that depicting the battle of Iwo Jima, the painting hangs in the museum today with his signture among the the survivers. He died shortly after his return and barely a ripple was heard about Ray Jacobs USMC.

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    Hair of the dog.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 23, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    Looks like Richard is trying to work his way out of a coma. We just watched a DVD movie the other day called "Flags of our Fathers", directed by Clint Eastwood. It was about the flag raising at Iwo Jima and some of the controversy that went on after. It was a good movie.

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  • RichardFebruary 23, 2013 - 6:11 pm

    For nearly 200 years, Remington Arms has been at the side of the American hunter and shooter as well as our nation’s great military personnel and law enforcement officers. Today, we supply tens of millions of law-abiding Americans with the products they need for hunting, recreational shooting and home defense. From duck blinds to deer stands, from the range to home, we have long been a part of American life. As the discussion of gun control and firearms ownership continues to play out on televisions, at water coolers and in living rooms around the country, important facts are being left out and the voices of some 100 million common sense gun owners. Please, make your voice heard today. Tell your elected officials that in the fight against crime you demand, back ground checks must be mandatory for the sales of any and all guns and restrictions on military-style assault weapons & high capacity ammunition magazines... Here’s how you can help! Step 1: Please contact your members of Congress at their local district office http://www.bradycampaign.org/toomanyvictims/meetings/* Step 2: Become a AMBASSADOR in the fight against military-style assault weapons & high capacity ammunition magazines... http://www.bradycampaign.org/toomanyvictims/meetings/*

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 6:22 pm

    Iwo was a tough nut. Twenty-seven Medals of Honor were awarded -- 22 to Marines and 5 to sailors. Of those awarded to Marines it was 27% of the 82 awarded to Marines during WWII. I knew a Medal of Union awardee at West Point. As an Army second lieutenant in Vietnam his platoon was pinned down. As his men continued to be killed by three machine gun nests he charged straight ahead and knocked out all three nests killing the machine gunners. He put his life at maximum risk to save his men and it was amazing he wasn't killed. Heck of a second lieutenant, and the mildest officer I ever knew in service.

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 6:26 pm

    Has this site been cancelled? Have we run out of topics? How about the sequester coming up next Friday. A self-imposed wound, aka shooting America in the foot?

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 23, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    James....It's obvious that your so anxious to get a conversation going about the sequester that your chomp'in at the bit....(as us cowboy's say)...That's cool, let me help....Sequester???..I personally think it's a whole lot of whoee, and it will never happen...They make a deal.....There ya go, were off and running..Your welcome....

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 7:17 pm

    R.J., I really didn't want to talk about the sequester. Just wanted to know if the site has been cancelled. Of course, it's Saturday night when all the seniors on this site party, party, party. BTW, I don't think it will happen either.

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 7:20 pm

    My little boy will be operated on Monday AM. I sure hope it is benign, but only 25% chance of that. OK, I'm cancelled.

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 7:28 pm

    James, I hope for the best for you little pal. As per usual I have a small file on current topics, the sequester being one of them. I have one in particular from of all places the Washington Post which as you know is extremely freindly territoy where obama is concerned. Lately than have had some actual journalism take place over there. The congressional medal from all that I have ever read goes only to those who faced certain death in their actions and heroism to save the lives of others. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-the-manufactured-crisis-of-sequester/2013/02/22/d22d4466-7c81-11e2-82e8-61a46c2cde3d_story.html

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 7:32 pm

    Here is another interesting piece on obama's spending. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/real-federal-spending-82290-american-2008

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    Here is one you won't see on any of the alphabet channels. http://watchdog.org/62420/co-secret-energy-lab-spawns-million-dollar-govt-employee/

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 7:37 pm

    Any of you read about the latest victim of the obama economy? Abercromie is going to close up to 50 US stores.

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  • cookie65February 23, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    There were a lot of people who predicted this and the media and the dems said some rather unflattering things about them. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-02-22/news/fl-doctor-shortage-medicaid-expansion-if-florida-20130222_1_medicaid-expansion-new-medicaid-patients-florida-medical-association

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  • R.J. CarterFebruary 23, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    James ... I wish you little dog the best of luck tomorrow!!!!!....

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  • James E.February 23, 2013 - 9:33 pm

    ***strike Medal of Union, add Medal of Honor. What could I have been thinking?

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 7:42 am

    Cookie: Following on yours above, herewith: "Obama care [has] ordered Medicare to cut reimbursement for 4 million diabetic seniors by 66%. It also reduced all the companies that were supplying blood sugar monitoring supplies from 1000 to 15." - HERE

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  • RichardFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Queen Hunter one:Five of those went to my unit, we add one additional, + 2NC-68 xxx

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:29 am

    Richard: Are you speaking in some sort of esoteric code?

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  • DeeFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:46 am

    James E. I am very sorry to hear about your little guy. I hope all goes well tomorrow. On Friday I took my girl in and vet all but told it was time to leet her go, but I couldn't accept until I was half way home with prescriptions of three different pain medicines for eight pills a day. The poor dog is in pain. So on Monday she goes back to the vets and won't be coming home. Oh well, so it goes.

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  • DeeFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:51 am

    Cookie- How dare you use you brain and expertise to detrmine how to care for your dogs? Don't you know policy wonks know everything? Sarcasm off.

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  • RichardFebruary 24, 2013 - 9:52 am

    Recent confirmation of the Commonwealth Fund 2012 report confirms Health Care reform rules aimed at pressuring health insurance companies to become more efficient saved consumers nearly $1.5 billion in 2012. Once again the tea party was on the wrong side of history……..

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  • James E.February 24, 2013 - 10:18 am

    Dee, the hardest thing to do is to decide when it is time to let our little friends go. I'm such a coward over this -- I don't want them to go. But, if their quality of life is gone, it is time. I'll be thinking of you tomorrow with moist eyes. So sad.

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  • DeeFebruary 24, 2013 - 10:33 am

    James E., and I'll be thinking of you and your best friend. Hope all goes well.

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  • cookie65February 24, 2013 - 10:49 am

    News for robert who seems to abandoned his government knows best argument. Mayor bloomberg of NY has determined a large soda with your pizza delivery is to much for free citizens to handle. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/soda_ban_to_sap_your_4t5pEK0hvo3PoNZEBOdZ2L

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  • cookie65February 24, 2013 - 11:06 am

    Richard must have learned the "new math" were spending another trillion we don't have saves the consumers $1.5 billion. Let me help you with some basics. Nothing the government does saves anyone money. For the simple reason being the government first has to confiscate money from other people before in can spend it to pass rules that cost people even more money. Robert if you want to learn anything you have to break it down to its tiniest components. If you take that approach with the federal government the tiniest component of the government spending is the fact that it costs the taxpayers more to create one copper penny than what it is worth. Robert, being consumed with hate is probably unhealthy.

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  • MartinFebruary 24, 2013 - 11:40 am

    It is amazing that the left thinks that spending more than you bring in is better for the country than having a balanced budget. If our government would get out of the way; prosperity would rock the boat. When you rob Peter to pay Paul, Peter becomes poor and Paul will no longer get any money, what part of this don’t they understand?

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  • cookie65February 24, 2013 - 11:09 am

    Excuse me, not robert... Richard. trying to do too many things at once.

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  • Jim RiordanFebruary 24, 2013 - 11:45 am

    Colnel James, I am very sorry to hear about your little friend . . . wish I could make him better for you . . .

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  • CherylFebruary 24, 2013 - 12:40 pm

    Dee, my heart goes out to you, it's not so easy to do the right thing. Saddest days of my life have been when one of my animals passes. James, I will be crossing my fingers for you tomorrow. Sending good thoughts.

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  • EvelynFebruary 24, 2013 - 1:00 pm

    Would any of our ardent Obamacare fans (John, Richard, Catherine, James, etc) care to comment on this? - "Insurance profits soar after health care overhaul" ********** Elsewhere someone commented today: This ObamaCare thing was hatched by a thousand pro medical-industrial lobbyists without input from the people nor without regard whom it cures and whom it kills along the way - which was the plan all along.

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  • James E.February 24, 2013 - 1:55 pm

    Evelyn, I read the article. It notes health insurance companies are making more money. Given that Obamacare mandated uninsured to buy insurance, it seems logical that their profits will increase even more. The article doesn't connect with the comment "elsewhere someone commented." Who is someone and where is elsewhere? And, how does "someone" know the alleged plan is to not cure and kill along the way? Sounds like mini-rant speculation. I will agree with one thing: Lobbyists are everywhere and involved in all things financial.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 24, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    "But we have to pass the (Obamacare) bill so that you can find out what's in it". This statement is even more sicking now than when it came out of her filthy slutty mouth. No matter your political party...but how gullible and sheeple of a society have we become to allow this type of thing to happen?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 24, 2013 - 2:16 pm

    Colonel, I’m struggling. My cynical self wants to post some glib dog comment. I’ll hold it to this – Th’ Missus and I have sworn off dogs and cats. I guess that means that you ARE tougher than us. Good luck.

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  • DB SmithFebruary 24, 2013 - 2:25 pm

    Dee and Colonel, I'll be thinking of you and your pets tomorrow. I do know the feeling all too well and hope the best for both of you.

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