Wednesday, April 23, 2014
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Secret plans

EDITOR:

Mitt Romney has many secret plans.

Plans he cannot reveal until after he is elected president.

Just how gullible are we?

JAMES E. LONGHOFER
Placerville

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  • M. VosterOctober 22, 2012 - 5:12 pm

    Maybe Mitt takes his cue from Obamacare - Congress had to pass it to know what was in the (massive) Bill.

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  • JohnOctober 22, 2012 - 5:32 pm

    Col. James: You keep forgetting that Republicans do not base their votes on 'facts' or reality; they live in a bubble in which wishing is the reality. Voster's comments is a good example! Were you aware, Col. James, that both the House and Senate voted on a bill (Obamacare)--after 4 months of debate--without having seen a copy of it? That's what I mean by "bubble": I'm sure Voster believes that's how Congress operates. He has a Democratic Congresses confused with GOP ones run by DeLay, Doolittle and their merry band of thieves.

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  • M. VosterOctober 23, 2012 - 8:21 am

    "But we have to pass the Bill so that you can - uh - find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy." (Nancy Pelosi) ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

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  • DB SmithOctober 23, 2012 - 8:46 am

    I'll let you in on his secret plans. Romney/Ryan will: 1. Bring us out of this economical disaster. 2. Create jobs. 3. Stop fiscal irresponsibility. 4. Strengthen our foreign policy. 5. Keep our military strong. 6. Bring respect back to America. In words you may understand, they are going to save your 6. Obama tries so hard to paint a pretty picture of what is going on and the only few of your that are left are the true gullible sheepeoples still under his spell. Your love affair with this idiot and his sidekick is almost over. Relax ~ everything will be OK very soon....I promise.

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  • Fact CheckOctober 23, 2012 - 8:57 am

    Someone get Romney a map. Last night he claimed Syria is Iran's route to the sea.

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  • DarrinOctober 23, 2012 - 9:02 am

    Too bad all the jobs Romney created in the past were for low wage OfficeBOX jobs after he shuttered the small town office supply stores and for the Chinese when he sent the Asimco jobs from Michigan to CHINA. SO yes, if you are Chinese, by all means, VOTE for MITT! He will get you a job.

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  • DB SmithOctober 23, 2012 - 9:10 am

    Morning Fact Check. Send a US Map to Obama so he can see how many states there are.

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  • DB SmithOctober 23, 2012 - 9:15 am

    Darrin. As you said ~ VOTE for MITT! I love it dude.

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  • Fact CheckOctober 23, 2012 - 9:16 am

    DB Smith, I think it was Donald Rumsfeld who said something like "We're an empire, and when we act, we create our own reality." It never pays to raise one's expectations - for either party.

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  • DB SmithOctober 23, 2012 - 9:24 am

    Darrin. Did you ever here of something called "Hope and Change"?

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  • James E.October 23, 2012 - 9:30 am

    The gullible are coming out of the woodwork.

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  • WoodpeckerOctober 23, 2012 - 9:38 am

    Good morning James.

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  • DB SmithOctober 23, 2012 - 9:50 am

    Woodpecker. That was a HOMERUN w/bases loaded!

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  • James E.October 23, 2012 - 10:28 am

    Woodpecker, and a good morning back at you.

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  • robertdnollOctober 23, 2012 - 11:34 am

    re "get Romney a map"it's a pity that went over your head

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  • James E.October 23, 2012 - 1:12 pm

    A home run with bases loaded? Some are easily amused.

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  • DB SmithOctober 23, 2012 - 2:21 pm

    Hi (_____) I knew you couldn't resist.

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  • James E.October 23, 2012 - 4:10 pm

    I promised Mr. MacKenzie that I wouldn't torment, so some remain silenced even if they are easily amused.

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  • Phillip VeerkampOctober 25, 2012 - 3:29 pm

    ONE HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES - GAME TWO - GO GIANTS!

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  • cookie65October 26, 2012 - 5:19 am

    Someone who got sold hope and change is questioning how gullible we are. Check to make sure it is sugar you are putting in your koolaid.

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  • Thomas GibneyOctober 26, 2012 - 8:22 am

    HOw Gullible are we...? 4 years ago you were pretty gullible. But hey why quible over the debt and lost lives to bad foreign policy....Go ahead and vote for Obama again but remember, you put a lobster in cold water and turn up the heat , he won't know he's dead till it's too late...

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  • DB SmithOctober 26, 2012 - 9:14 am

    "Let me be very clear". How many times have we heard that coming out of the mouth of the so-called Transparent President? Actually Obama should of said, "Let me see how gullible you can be"? 19 out of 20 Cabinet level agencies under the Obama Administration have failed to follow the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act. That sounds very secretive to me. It was Obama (trying to be secretive), that said to the Russian President Medvedev "that he would have more flexibility after the election". What kind of secrets does Obama have up his sleeve with Russia? It was Obama's Nancy Pelosi that said (referring to Obamacare) "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it". Looks like a whole lot of secrets going on with that one. Why don't we throw in some more secrets about the Libya incident and our dead Americans. There are many more examples of how NOT transparent and HOW secretive Obama and his administration are. To Mr. Longhofer...you should not be asking how gullible are we, but instead "how GULLIBLE are you and your lefties"? The scary thing is we know the answer to that, but do you?

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  • James E.October 26, 2012 - 11:11 am

    Mr. Gibney, Cookie, Evelyn, when you refer to the President are you talking about the black Socialist, Muslim, Nazi, Marxist, and Community Organizer from Kenya, who doesn't agree with Tea/Republicans that rapes can be legitimate, easy, forcible, honest, emergency, enjoyable, and gifts-from-God. So many kinds of rape, I always though rape was rape, but guess the Tea/Republicans know more about what women consider rape than do the women themselves. Ten more days.

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  • James E.October 26, 2012 - 11:13 am

    *** thought

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  • DB SmithOctober 26, 2012 - 11:20 am

    (__________)

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  • Jim RiordanOctober 26, 2012 - 1:10 pm

    James E. . . With all respect James, illegal end runs around the Constitution and the Declaration both need to be stopped. Mitt may not be everyone's favorite for president, but the fact that he knows more about business than how to side-step,ignore and trample on the Constitution and Declaration of Independence works for me. Obama has flagrantly ignored and denigrated those documents for his whole term. Further While Mitt has sent some jobs offshore, Bain Capital has provided lots of real jobs in real companies right here and with some of the jobs sent overseas, made more money for investors who are Americans living here. Real Jobs, and real investment profits. (just check the list) What a concept. Not just BS government positions and a solid string of spectacular failures. Failures which not only put their employees back on the streets but also peed away plenty of americans hard earned tax dollars.

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  • DB SmithOctober 26, 2012 - 1:50 pm

    Is there something secretive about sitting Pres. Obama not wanting the American people to see his College Transcripts? What in the whole wide world would he have to hide as President of the United States of America?? Why is he so SECRETIVE about his accomplishments??? He could use the offered $5 MILLION to donate to any charity of his choice. After all, he would be spending someone else's money for the charity. He's an expert at spending other peoples money. There are a whole lot of folks that could use that money. You have to ask yourself (no matter what political belief) what is Obama being so SECRETIVE about. If you talk it then walk it. Come on transparent Obama ~ pick up a quick and easy $5 MILLION and help the people.

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  • James E.October 26, 2012 - 1:53 pm

    Mr. Riordan, I respect your opinion but we will have to agree to disagree.

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  • RichOctober 26, 2012 - 2:13 pm

    Its hard for me to understand how people like Smith are so easily programmed.

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  • DB SmithOctober 26, 2012 - 2:23 pm

    "MY FRIEND" (Rich) "LET ME BE VERY CLEAR" ~ It's a secret plan.

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  • Thomas GibneyOctober 26, 2012 - 5:21 pm

    JL...really?? Did Romney mention redifinng rape?? Does anybody in Obamas House know why and how four Americans were killed in Libya? Does anybody in the country know? Does anybody know why the budget has been punted on for the last 4 years? Does anybody know if a community organizer is able to balance a budget at all? or allow for Americans to be surveiled upon by drones? What of "the most transparent admin in the White HOuse? Nice try JL but nobodys gonna alute this flag if it's run up the pole for another 4 years not until Obama can tell the truth about anything for once.

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  • billzzOctober 26, 2012 - 6:55 pm

    "Someone get Romney a map. Last night he claimed Syria is Iran's route to the sea." It's not geography. It's ethnicity. Just because the British put down lines for Iraq and Syria does not mean that the locals observe them. There has always been a trade route from Iran, through Iraq to Syria, and they are going across that route today. They pay bribes, which is much more important than any passport. That's how the resurgent Islamic movement moves people to almost any country that they want to go to. They are all brothers in their eyes, and a bribe makes it even more so.

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  • Fact CheckOctober 26, 2012 - 7:15 pm

    zz: Look at a map. Why would Iran have to go through ANY other country to get to the sea? Sort of like saying Sacramento is San Francisco's route to the sea. Yes, it can be done, but that would be unnecessarily long. Nothing to do with ethnicity; EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GEOGRAPHY!!! (P.S. Are you able to find a map? If not, a link can be provided, free of charge. Share with Romney, please.)

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  • Fact CheckOctober 26, 2012 - 7:19 pm

    Afterthought: No wonder politicians can sell Americans any load of horse manure and get away with it. Party loyalists blindly absorb and regurgitate as gospel any bit of nonsense tossed their way. Sometimes the horse manure even gets embellished.

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  • Fact CheckOctober 26, 2012 - 7:21 pm

    p.s. Will you have fries with that?

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  • James E.October 26, 2012 - 8:21 pm

    Mr. Gibney, I'm sorry that my comment about Tea/Republican definitions of rape caused you to go off on the things you don't like about President Obama. But, let me answer your comment: No, Mitt has not talked about various types of rape (Paul has). And Mitt did say that he did not agree with Mr Murdock's (sp?) comment about gifts from God, BUT he continues to endorse Mr. Murdock for the Senate. Typical Mitt, he's against it while at the same time he's for it. Now, let me shift gears and talk about why I like conversing with Mr. Gibney. As example, getting to be an old codger, I have a number of doctors. Those I get along with are former military doctors -- somehow an unstated common language that doesn't exist with my other doctors who believe old folks should sit there and just shut up. The last time I was admitted to the hospital, the male nurse (former Navy corpsman), tossed me the hospital gown and said, "You know the drill." I loved it. Short, sweet, and to the point military talk. Same with Gibney -- we don't call each other bad or cute names, we just talk to each other.

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  • James E.October 26, 2012 - 8:35 pm

    I will release my college transcripts to anyone who will donate $500,000 to the local Animal rescue. However, fair warning -- it doesn't show my place of birth. College transcripts have name, courses, grades and date of graduation (if you did). P.S. I'll tell you for free -- my place of birth, which is not shown on my college transcripts, is Kansas and not Kenya.

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  • James E.October 26, 2012 - 10:42 pm

    Mr. Chavez supports President Obama -- he also supports the San Francisco Giants. General Powell supports President Obama -- Mr. Sununu says it's because both are black. Meatloaf supports Mitt Romney -- I say it's because both are white.

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  • Phillip VeerkampOctober 26, 2012 - 11:09 pm

    If President Obama could bring himself to support the San Francisco Giants I might shift to undecided.

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  • Phillip VeerkampOctober 26, 2012 - 11:12 pm

    11:11

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  • BillzzOctober 27, 2012 - 8:01 pm

    Hello Mr. Fact Check! Normally I just provide info and do not respond, but something may have been missed here. As a graduate of the US National War College, My military occupation changed to strategic planner, and I have wargamed plans in the countries mentioned. And I have been to the middle east several times. I still have over twenty maps, going back to biblical times, and don't need any more. Anyway, one knows that Iran has southern ports. In fact it was one reason that the CIA, in the 1950s helped overthrow Mohammed Mossedegh (something like that) who was a communist and they thought that Iran would give access to the USSR (a long-sought after goal of the Soviets) but the cold war was going on and so the US thought that it was a bad idea. Now we are talking about (and the message seems to be garbled) that Iran should not have access, through Iraq, to the Mediterranean. Iran has influence in Iraq, and Lebanon, and Syria, and growing in Egypt. This encirclement of Israel can not be a good thing for the stability of the region, and may (the probability is increasing) result in a very large-scale war. Anyway, the original seems to have been garbled, but I knew what was meant. Iran can, and is, going across all boundaries, with whatever weapons they want, to send to anyone they want. The locals do not care what country they are supposedly in, and will accelerate any shipment. For money. One can read Ross Perot's account of getting his people out. All they did was bribe people. Anyway, I am mostly apolitical and do not ascribe negative connotations to any political announcement. They are being political. Brent Scowcroft used to say that one can not tell anything from what is said, or what is read. One has to see the situation on the ground and the situation is the national policy. Have a good day, anyway!

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  • James E.October 27, 2012 - 8:08 pm

    In the Middle East bribes trump everything.

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  • James E.October 27, 2012 - 8:21 pm

    ADDED: Hmmm, I wonder how many war college graduates we have in El Dorado County? It was a great year having the time to think about both little and big things. And, we didn't learn to make war, rather we learned to avoid war unless absolutely necessary. There was no bayonet refresher training at the War Colleges.

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  • Fact CheckOctober 27, 2012 - 8:38 pm

    zz: What you are telling us is that you were A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON. Good on ya, bub. Actually, Mohammad Mosaddegh's supreme crime - intolerable to TPTB - was his nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, passing on the benefits to his people. The ensuing wide range of progressive social and political reforms such as social security, rent control, and land reforms did not make him a "communist". That was simply the buggabo the West used through the early '90s to dispose of Mosaddegh and a vast number of other foreign leaders they couldn't otherwise control. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the West was forced to invent another boggyman. And the sheeple always fall for it, hook, line and sinker.

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  • James E.October 27, 2012 - 9:02 pm

    Giants win #3, 2 nothing. Need only one more out of the next four! Don't believe zz was saying he was a very important person. He was merely giving his views on the subject. If you think he was blowing his horn, perhaps you were looking in the mirror.

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  • Fact CheckOctober 27, 2012 - 9:12 pm

    Good point, good colonel. Wargamers aren't important. They're just . . . well . . . wargamers. Time for some peacegamers. Wargamers have had your turn.

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  • DB SmithOctober 27, 2012 - 9:47 pm

    Fact Check: If warfare simulations aren't carried out, tested and refined, then how can we effectively protect this country or any other? The practice simulations eliminate a lot of error. I agree we can use some peacegamers too.

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  • James E.October 27, 2012 - 10:46 pm

    Fact Check, I've never advocated for war. Those that actually have to go don't want war. It's those who love flags waving, parades, and support the troops bumper stickers that you have to watch -- they just love war, but have other priorities.

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  • DB SmithOctober 28, 2012 - 6:43 am

    Can you truly believe in your heart that people who wave their flags, attend parades and display support our troop stickers are war mongers and love war? The obvious lack of mentality in your comments indicate to me that you have some serious problems and that is saying it nicely. You insult good patriotic americans, veterans and the families with loved ones that are serving in the military. You say they just love war and have other priorities. I'm trying very hard to hold my tongue right now, so I'll say it nicely. You're a pretty sick puppy.

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  • VeteranOctober 28, 2012 - 9:08 am

    I predict that Mit Romney will not show up at Arlinton National Cemetery National Veterans Day ceremony this year, elected or not.

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  • James E.October 28, 2012 - 9:50 am

    Mr. Smith, did I strike a nerve? Veterans and families with loved ones in service are, or have, obviously served, while chicken hawks are patriotic as long as their skin isn't in danger. Appears your contribution to Desert One, Iraq and Afghanistan may have been the bumper stickers on your vehicles. Your anger speaks for itself. Sick puppy indeed.

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  • secret plans, indeed . . .October 28, 2012 - 10:03 am

    . . . @ http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/22/magazine/who-s-in-charge-here.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

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  • James E.October 28, 2012 - 10:18 am

    Secret Plans Indeed, thank you for the reference. It was a balanced article by the premier investigative reporter of our time. Enjoy.

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  • James E.October 28, 2012 - 10:20 am

    ADDED: It has nothing to do with my mini-debate with Mr. Smith, but is always noted when one cannot comment on the debate at hand. Nevertheless, thanks for contributing to my legend.

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  • DB SmithOctober 28, 2012 - 12:54 pm

    Maybe you should re-read your 10:46AM post... and now you add and call people that haven't served in the military,"chicken hawks". Appearances may be deceiving. This family has been Army, Marines and Air Force and proud of it. If you received a Purple Heart for a head injury during your military service I'll over look your crass and insulting statements... otherwise, don't you have some ladder work to do?

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  • RichardOctober 28, 2012 - 1:00 pm

    DB Smith, put your big kid pants on and try to understand. It does seem to me also that a large percentage of those who greet the planes of injured returning troops, wave flags, attend parades, display stickers and complain to the military about how their son or daughter are treated do so for selfish, politically correct, social, business or political reasons. Having come home on a stretcher with a bag taped to my side smelling of piss with a number of injuries, bad skin, constipated and full of antibiotics, carrying the burden of having done my job as a US Marine above and be on what was expected of me. The last thing I wanted to see was a group of self serving people with go intentions. How about some dignity and respect for those returning home to their families after doing their jobs, not all are heroes, most just did their jobs well and were fortunate enough to come home. The real heroes, who are endowed with great courage and strength must commonly come home in a box like SSgt Sky Mote USMC KIA. Additionally Americans is spelled with a capital A, seems your priorities are screwed up……. Semper Fi Col. Longhofer, you gave good service to your country, thank you ………

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  • DB SmithOctober 28, 2012 - 1:22 pm

    Richard: In his 10:46PM post, your man did not come close to saying what you just said. So welcome home gatherings, flag waving, and bumper stickers are a no go for you. That's your choice. But to put everyone in the same pot of boiling water is not my choice. Sorry about the previous typo ~ it has nothing to do with priorities.

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  • Ken SteersOctober 28, 2012 - 3:57 pm

    Is pointing out that 95% of all "Black" people who voted in the 2008 presidential race voted Obama a "racist" statement or is it a fact? And it appears the Mitt is correct in the 47% remark based on most national polls. These statements are not opinions, they are facts. Just like saying the Democrat party has been taken over by the Socialist. It's an obvious fact. Now hopefully more people who plan to vote are worried about a job and paying their bills than want something for nothing from the government. Unless we want to discuss competence and or success?

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  • DeeOctober 28, 2012 - 4:05 pm

    Longhofer frequently calls anyone who is a patriot, waves flags, goes to parades and supports our military "chicken hawks". I looked up the definitions of chicken hawks and that is one of the definitions but so are actual hawks such as the red-tailed hawk; old men who like young boys. But my favorite is :chickenhawk 1. Any person who, in an official capacity, sends other people out routinely for dangerous activities while himself having never been exposed to the same risky behavior. This usually occurs in an authoritarian, militarized system and comes with constant propaganda in which the leader fashions himself as an ultimately benevolent crusader. In otherwords,Obama, Chickenhawk-In-Charge.

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  • James E.October 28, 2012 - 4:36 pm

    One last comment before it becomes BASEBALL time. Someone commented their family has been Army, Marines, and Air Force. Now, it may not be the case here, but I've noticed how "patriots" have said my Brother, my Dad, my Uncle, my Grandfather, my Cousin four times removed all served -- but, it's always a family member and never themselves? Other priorities? Richard, glad you made it. Semper Fi Marine!

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  • DB SmithOctober 28, 2012 - 4:59 pm

    Are you a patriot Colonel James E. Longhofer? Or are you "incapable of operating inside the system" sir? I thought I smelled something dirty. Are you still smoking those cheap cigars? You already broke your promise to your handler by responding to me, so what now? Something covert maybe. It's your call...sir

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  • RichardOctober 28, 2012 - 6:12 pm

    Veteran, I get it now, do you get it DB Smith? Veterans Day is on Sunday this year and Mormons only occupy themselves with their beliefs on Sunday. Obviously the man has priorities and honoring our nation’s veterans in a Romney administration will always be second on Sunday. Wasn’t the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on Sunday, thank God Romney wasn’t in the White House then. I wonder if Romney will ever be available on Sunday should our nation require his guidance on issues of National Security. Maybe he has a secret plan with his church to be excused

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  • DB SmithOctober 28, 2012 - 6:38 pm

    Richard: Too bad the good Colonel can't fight his own battles, or could he be a "chicken hawk"? Yeah I agree with you ~ we'll know where we can find Romney when needed. But where can we find your man Obama? Maybe at Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church where they preach "God Damn America". "Thank God" Obama is a short timer!

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  • DeeOctober 28, 2012 - 6:40 pm

    Richard, You are aware that when Govenor Romney wins the election on November 6, he will not be President until January, 2013, aren't you? I doubt that he will be invited to attend. Geez you guys sure stretch for negatives about the next Pres.

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  • CatherineOctober 28, 2012 - 7:40 pm

    64 Comments, but no one has addressed Romney's plans?

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  • RichardOctober 28, 2012 - 8:37 pm

    Rest assured a USAF pilot who saw combat as a command pilot and made the rank of Col. in a low attitude gunship can fight his own battles,” but this, with your involvement isn’t a battle it’s more like a hen house squabble that’s quite entertaining when you discuss Mitt. Additionally, I wonder if “God Damn America” is what Romney’s grandfather said when he fled our county because our laws only allowed one women to a man ……..…Following post. I was invited to attend our National Veteran Day activities at Arlington National Cemetery and served on the national committee, the President elect is always invited as was General Colin Powell. I doubt Romney will ever be in the position of president elect and who cares, Veterans Day is on a Sunday this year and Romney has secret plans.

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  • James E.October 29, 2012 - 12:08 am

    Could I work within the system? Yes, the vast majority of my service was in regular units within the system. And, I'll put this to bed by reminding my Tea/Republican friends that all actions in covert operations during that period were ordered by Presidential Finding, signed by your very own Ronald Reagan. How about those Giants? One week and one day. In the mist of this great storm on the east coast, Mitt tells us he will disband FEMA. He says we just cannot add to the deficit by coming to the aid of our citizens. Rather he will send a stingy block grant to states who already are on the financial edge. We can afford faux wars, but we cannot afford to help our own citizens. The Tea/Republican way.

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  • Phillip VeerkampOctober 29, 2012 - 7:16 am

    James E. says, "Mitt tells us he will disband FEMA". - - - WHAT???!!! - - - But . . . but . . . what about all those FEMA camps? Where will they put us? Are we on our own? Sheesh! Freedom sucks.

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  • DeeOctober 29, 2012 - 7:27 am

    per Bob Woodward: Obama's proposed cuts to FEMA include the following: •Flood Hazard Mapping and Risk Analysis Program - $8 million •State and Local Emergency Programs (non-defense) - $183 million •State and Local Emergency Programs (defense) - $5 million •United States Fire Administration and Training - $4 million •Salaries and Expenses (non-defense) - $75 million •Salaries and Expenses (defense) - $7 million •Disaster Relief - $580 million •Emergency Food and Shelter - $10 million •Radiological Emergency Preparedness Program - $3 million •National Pre-disaster Mitigation Fund - $3 million

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  • Manly JamesOctober 29, 2012 - 8:46 am

    "The President (Reagan) made me do it."

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