Wednesday, April 16, 2014

The illusion of consensus


Pollock Pines is being hyped as the poster child for these community “visioning” workshops. The only chance of defeating the action plan is if a large number of community people vocally express their discontent and distrust on Monday. Otherwise, the illusion of “consensus” will carry. That is all they need to go forward. Without it, they’ll be forced to find another way. A “no” from Pollock would carry meaning. Please come to our meeting on Monday, March 25 at 6 p.m. at the Pollock Pines and Camino Community Center.

Supervisor Santiago, Mr. Ward and Ms. Harper withheld many truths — and even if the New Economy may have some valid points, it was brought to us through deception. Ms. Harper is on/or part of many of these advisory boards of people no one elected. There is no way that an advisory board can come out of Pollock Pines without being tainted by her or her club. We were told at the meeting that people could not use this advisory board as a push for their group — yet out comes this article.

“All this is 100 percent their ideas. We’ll put it together into a report that will serve as a launching pad for the March 25 meeting.” This whole article is slanted. Ms. Harper is presented as some kind of hero that came into our town on a white horse. We have always had events here … and some of what she takes credit for wasn’t even run by her. She writes about a CEDAPP event in such a way that the group gets all the credit. Many groups and their money run the majority of events. I know, I’ve been at the meetings.

Santiago at the outset: “These are generated by you, the residents, and will establish rules of fairness, honesty, equanimity, consideration of future generations and other important, timeless values.” Honesty? I don’t think so.

Pollock Pines

Letters to the Editor


Discussion | 49 comments

  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 20, 2013 - 10:36 am

    Read this article--think--come to our meeting.

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  • EvelynMarch 20, 2013 - 1:14 pm

    Consensus, arrived at by open give and take, is a glue that holds society together. Manufactured consensus, however, is something very different. HERE

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  • EvelynMarch 20, 2013 - 1:34 pm

    "In science, you insist most loudly on a fact based on how much it has withstood independent peer review. In politics, it’s closer to the opposite—the more debatable a point is, the more it becomes necessary to insist (often in the face of contrary evidence) that the conclusion is backed by scientific consensus." HERE

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 21, 2013 - 7:47 am

    Today...El Dorado County Economic Development Advisory Committee Agenda Thursday, March 21, 2013 – 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. 330 Fair Lane, Bldg. A OES Conference Room, Lower Level Placerville, CA 95667 some high points: Presentation by Cherie Raffety, Treasurer/Tax Collector for El Dorado County, providing a report on the Treasurer/Tax Collector’s usage of the Transient Occupancy Tax funds. March 25th EDAC Board of Supervisors presentation providing information and recommendations on Community Organization and Economic Development Program funding and requesting Board direction. 1. Approve presentation Member Updates A. Jeannie Harper providing a report on Prop 65. B. Jeannie Harper providing a report on the Visitors Authority Meeting.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 21, 2013 - 11:55 am

    Nine people showed up--I knew nothing about this Park meeting...9 participants

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 21, 2013 - 11:56 am

    9 participants

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 21, 2013 - 11:58 am

    sorry I guess bullets wont let you post Interactive discussion focused on Pollock Pines area needs Highlights Pollock Pines Community Church park project Transportation and recreation need for trail in Pony Express Trail easement Forebay Reservoir (EID) space for facilities Pollock Pines/Sly Park trail for recreation and economic function Possible public/private snow park at Fresh Pond ENF looking at different facilities in areas near population Large retired population with volunteer capacity and interest Many see whole area as “park”; looking for trails and passive facilities 26‐acre County site perhaps limit improvements or exchange/sell part Possible trail from EID pump house along canal to and around Forebay Ecotourism is key to Pollock Pines; parks/trail an important element

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 21, 2013 - 12:00 pm

    come to our meeting--or nine will decide on our whole space

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 22, 2013 - 7:45 am

    They are portraying that the residents are coming in droves--REALLY? I am not saying the ideas of the future is wrong--Im saying it was presented through deception. Come to Mondays meeting...where they will present the guidelines for this advisory board that represents our whole community (although the majority was there)

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 22, 2013 - 8:34 am

    although the majority was there--should have read was not space has become this joke...and it is upsetting. Small groups think they are in charge--that their ideas are the "best" for all. We have groups that have been around for a long time--they are successful. At what point did we start interfering with other groups fund raisers? If someone is already having a raffle--why would you ask if yours can run as well--at their event?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 9:35 am

    Tonight is our meeting. I invite any one who wants to come. 6 pm--Pollock Pines Camino Community Center. This morning at the BOS-- EDEC (which had to change its name from EDAC) will ask for the 10 % tot for seeding their group. REMINDER--none of these people are elected--how is their money accounted for? Come to our meeting...if any thing --just to see whats coming to your neighborhood.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 10:02 am

    correction...EDAC to CEDAC

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 10:03 am Bos live now

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  • MelodyMarch 25, 2013 - 11:17 am

    Harry you've been bamboozled like the majority of Americans. Wake up to the fact that Agenda 21 is a documented reality and it's invaded EDC via willing BOS accomplices. “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the Bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The Bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge―even to ourselves―that we've been so credulous." ― Carl Sagan

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 8:13 pm

    Well...I think its interesting that with all the different groups that I know--no one was able to call and say this meeting was cancelled--but I wasnt the only one...we were there before see the sign on the door. So the small group stayed--now we are wondering what the next meeting will hold. The promise of money. Who sold their soul for it today?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 8:20 pm

    Community Economic Development Association of Pollock Pines - CEDAPP 12 hours ago near Pollock Pines via mobile "Reminder!!!! Postponed!!!! The town hall community meeting with Supervisor Santiago will not meet tonight! Wednesday, April 3 at 6 pm at the community center is the new date. We will be finalizing the criterion for the newly forming Pollock Pines Community Action Council that will be an integrated information-gathering council representing the entire community and responsible for future planning in the community." Ahhhhhhhhhh see im not a cedapp person--so no one was polite enough to tell the rest of us. I know of three who post here n -line--thanks for letting us know.

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  • EvelynMarch 25, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    Never mind, Fran. In spite of being a paid-up CEDAPP member -- newly minted, 11 days ago, with a welcoming email to prove it -- I was not notified about the cancellation. One of the reasons I joined was to receive via email their monthly meeting agenda, not at their website and not available to non-members. Actually, CEDAPP has nothing current at their website. Their last posted meeting agenda is for November 2012. No financial statements. How did they come to have the starring role in organizing Pollock Pine's "community i.d."?

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  • EvelynMarch 25, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    P.S. Actually, tonight's unofficial meeting of dedicated loyalists was great! Thank you to all who stayed around to, well, ................... Wonderful conversation.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 9:31 pm

    Evelyn I have no answers... that can be printed any way. I do believe in karma.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 9:33 pm

    and I agree--our small group meeting was very productive--we as a group, are not alone.

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  • MelodyMarch 25, 2013 - 9:35 pm

    Pardon the previous post originally meant for Harry Zelinka's letter criticizing DRA/Kirk MacKenzie/Agenda 21 as "Just Another Crackpot." Francesca & Evelyn are spot on target about the illusion of consensus. These visioning/consensus workshops are prime examples of the epidemic lack of "honesty", transparency or accountability. Anyone who regularly attends these meetings can easily discern the outcomes have been predetermined. EDC is witnessing the collapse of the American Dream as our nation succumbs to a progressive socialist movement one county at a time. Contribute to the solution by putting in your two cents worth at every opportunity. Not only is it your moral & civic duty, it's the only way we can still effectuate change and preserve our what's left of our FREEDOM.

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  • EvelynMarch 25, 2013 - 9:48 pm

    The good news: We didn't get Delphied tonight. Ain't it wonderful to be an American with a voice!

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  • EvelynMarch 25, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    Melody: Come next week. Bring your 100 closest friends. Pollock Pines is the poster child for whatever this is.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    lololololol...thank you for the laugh--I so needed that

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  • EvelynMarch 25, 2013 - 9:51 pm

    No more damn "silos"!!!

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  • EvelynMarch 25, 2013 - 9:59 pm

    Come to think of it, we have much to be grateful for. Tonight's interaction couldn't have happened with Post-its. As for that fabled "95%" ....................

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 10:14 pm

    On a lighter note--I am on the 4th of July parade committee that will be run by the Rotary here in is ten dollars to enter. When I was talking to some vets--they said they would like to see a color guard. Sooooooo can some of you vets contact me at my email--which is also my post "ID." I would love to see lots of vets walk down our main street so I can say "thank-you"... I want my grandson and the children of Pollock to know that each and every one of you fought for their freedom. Applications go out next week. I just want to feel the American spirit on that day...the spirit of independence. Of "individually" being celebrated. I think I feel that these "ideas" are being threatened--and who better to voice them loud and clear--than the ones who fought for them--our veterans. Our kids up here do not have much--and the more people who participate in their parade--the a child smile and be proud of where they live.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 25, 2013 - 10:17 pm are being very mischievous tonight...good for you :)

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  • EvelynMarch 26, 2013 - 8:12 am

    Concerning representativeness, previously Community ID meeting attendees were told they could be confident they spoke for 95% of the community. That is to say, that those who show up are virtually identical to those who don't. ********* "How to Lie and Cheat with Statistics" - HERE

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  • EvelynMarch 26, 2013 - 8:16 am

    "Unrepresentative Sample - Weak Analogy" - HERE

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  • cookie65March 26, 2013 - 8:28 am

    In case you ever wondered why leftists use terms like 'consensus' and 'majority'. They have been used historically to force political agend's on people by convincing them they were in the minority. "Bolshevik" Russian: “One of the Majority”) , plural Bolsheviks, or Bolsheviki, member of a wing of the Russian Social-Democratic Workers’ Party, which, led by Lenin, seized control of the government in Russia (October 1917) and became the dominant political power. The group originated at the party’s second congress (1903) when Lenin’s followers, insisting that party membership be restricted to professional revolutionaries, won a temporary majority on the party’s central committee and on the editorial board of its newspaper Iskra. They assumed the name Bolsheviks and dubbed their opponents the Mensheviks (“Those of the Minority”).

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 26, 2013 - 8:40 am

    Illusion. It is widely used in advertising...3 out of 4 dentists use purple toothpaste. And people are impressed. If there are 4 people standing in a room--and 3 like the purple --how does that define a population of dentists? Pollock Pines is being portrayed with numbers that dont even make sense. 50/6000 (people)= o.oo83... that is than 1%. Come on people...and some of those--are not even residents...just people watching. I cant change what s happening--but at least go in being aware.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 26, 2013 - 10:00 am didnt know about the new aware. Right or wrong it has been in the making for a very long time. Watch the vid. I have provided links in this paper going back years--across the the nation. It is a long vid...but listen and connect for yourself--right? wrong? Doesnt matter...

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  • MelodyMarch 26, 2013 - 11:19 am

    Yesterday's Special Meeting of the BOS concerning Parks & Recreation Restructure is a prime example of meetings with predetermined outcomes facilitated by the CAO. The Delphi Technique was just one of the topics covered in our meetings with legislators, Sheriff D'Agostini, Department heads and CAO. They are all perfectly aware of the falsified data generated out of these scoping meetings. It's all just an ILLUSION of government transparency & accountability. To have knowledge of wrongdoing and failure to ACT upon that knowledge makes each of the supervisors complicit as accessories after the fact. As Sheriff D'Agostini said, "You need a new BOS. All of them. Hold their feet to the fire. Mine too. I work for you."

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  • cookie65March 26, 2013 - 11:56 am

    There are many very qualified individuals who would make excellent represenatives of the citizens but the process has become so destructive that they aren't willing to subject themselves and family to it. It is difficult to invision how the foundations of this country will survive without the system being totally broken first. Here is a youtube video showing the use of the Delphi Technique.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 26, 2013 - 12:15 pm

    cookie65 you are right--there are some very strong voices--here in Pollock...they wont even come to these meetings. We are so small. The true population is living their life...instead of just "visualizing" their future. Once again I have to listen to children saying they have few things to do--unless they go down the hill--first time I heard this was 20+ years ago when my daughter said it. The new Economy is not going away--but here in Pollock it was presented wrong...and is being run by the wrong people. In a "new" world there should be no prejudice...not even against a new store coming into a town. There should be no arrogance...telling a person "how" to paint their home. Money.

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  • Compass2TruthMarch 26, 2013 - 12:35 pm

    The process isn't just "destructive", it has become corrupted by the individuals who are supposed to serve EDC citizens. The Grand Jury disbandment is just one such example. When elected officials turn to deliberate deception and retaliation against the citizens they profess to serve, then our nation will spiral downward inevitably to its eventual collapse. We're now on that brink. To remain silent only gives tyranny permission to rule. Few brave souls have the courage to risk challenging governmental Goliaths in order to gain the possibility of victory.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 26, 2013 - 12:52 pm

    Compass2Truth...there is less and less accountability in some of the non profits I work with. There is also redirection of donations without asking a community. Less than 1% are coming to these meetings...cant wait to see the total committeemen or persons. I know who belongs to what group and who has played on the sides. People forget--I have been here for a long time--in the so called inner workings of Pollock.

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  • James E.March 26, 2013 - 1:18 pm

    Perhaps instead of constantly railing against the Federal government, focus should instead be on our county government -- fix that which is close to home because I doubt we can fix the Federal government. Might have a chance locally.

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  • Compass2TruthMarch 26, 2013 - 1:47 pm

    Whether it is at the Federal, State or local level, the censoring & corruption is indicative of the trickle-down effect from the very top of the dung heap. Every citizen has a moral & civic duty to know the issues and then get involved in what's transpiring in their own back yards. My back yard happens to be on the S. Fork American River in the middle of the Marshall Gold Discovery Historic State Park, hence the 2009 formation of the watchdog organization Compass2Truth. This region my neighbor, the CEO of the EDC Chamber of Commerce, described during a recent BOS meeting as "the environmental belly of the beast." Others have aptly described Coloma as the "head of the snake." Plenty of them slithered into yesterday's BOS P&R Workshop.

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  • veteranMarch 26, 2013 - 2:33 pm

    Your not the only group in our community where a committee supported by members of the BOS is seeking to usurp the decision making process. Recently the BOS approved 90k annually of uncommitted Transit Occupancy Tax funds to veterans programs and services requesting the county veterans service officer bring back recommendations as to which programs and services. In the normal course of business the veterans service officer, who is an elected official for some reason, would submit the issue to the appointed veterans affairs commission agenda tasking the commission to review available programs/services and make recommendations. But, the end result can’t be guaranteed because of the recent election and new appointees to the commission, so a committee has been selected to make the recommendations. A committee with out accountability that consists of a relatively small group of veterans that serves the interests of its stakeholders rather than those of the 18,000 veterans in El Dorado County. There are a number of good veterans programs and services in El Dorado County that do more than send candy to combat zones who services can benefit veterans with this money in addition to the veterans service office which would use most of the money for salaries including the paycheck for Ron Briggs nephew who works in that office.

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  • Compass2TruthMarch 26, 2013 - 7:15 pm

    cookie65 - EXCELLENT video on the Delphi Technique!!! We've experienced this same technique exhibited by our CAO Terri Daly last month at the Parks & Recreation meeting. Also during the Parks/Rec Commission, EDAC, BLM-Kanaka Valley & Cronan Ranch meetings as well as the Sierra Cascades Dialogs held at McClellan AFB. This represents the public indoctrination into the socialist-Marxist New Economy aka Agenda 21.

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  • Compass2TruthMarch 26, 2013 - 7:25 pm

    Also should note the Delphi Technique was used during the Mt. Murphy Bridge Replacement meeting last month held at Marshall Grange Hall. None of the BOS were present, but Don Spear (DOT) and Kim Kerr (Assistant CAO under GJ investigation) were in attendance as were representatives of NGOs. Several residents walked out in disgust when they saw the outcome was predetermined conforming EXACTLY to the Delphi video. The BOS needs to have their feet held to the fire by conscientious citizens for allowing this Marxist movement to set precedence in EDC.

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  • SparkyMarch 27, 2013 - 6:23 am

    If things are not going the way you want, then it is a conspiracy, pre-meditation, insider manipulation, etc. If it goes your way, then all is well and those crying foul are just whiners. So which is it, kids?

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 27, 2013 - 8:53 am

    sparky...I have given links of both sides...I have given links to our leaders using words to describe the new economy. I personally do npot care if people think it is right or wrong. I do not like deception--it infers that a group of people feel they are smarter. It is here--has been for a long time in the USA. The future is here. People can chose to ignore the information or not. I try to look at all the facts--I like history. To understand America--we study Europe. We study different political ideas to understand our own. This is a new idea (time wise...20 yrs is nothing) I do not like how it is presented in Pollock...and I want people to be aware. You can not keep saying its political is not. Its private vs public...follow the money.

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  • EvelynMarch 27, 2013 - 9:05 am

    If our Constitutional framework has "sides", it seems to me they are either (1) We continue to have representative government, or (2) Representative government will be abolished. When the Board of Supervisors supported the New Economy resolution on March 19th they agreed to abolish representative government.

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  • EvelynMarch 27, 2013 - 9:07 am

    "Governance: The Bypassing of Representative Government" - HERE

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 28, 2013 - 10:20 am

    This is an excellent site to read--across American-- Americans are fighting the New Economy After you read it--think about the people who are bringing it into this county--into the communities...and how it has been here for awhile. Ask yourself--did they all know? did some know...or was it the allure of money? I am just providing links--you decide for yourselves. Our next meeting is apr 3rd in Pollock at 6 pm --unless that is also cancelled.

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  • francescaduchamp@att.netMarch 30, 2013 - 8:10 am really interesting site--you dont have to agree--just be informed of both sides.

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