Monday, April 21, 2014

Too late


In the April 26 edition of the Mountain Democrat, a reader asked us not to “rush to judgement” about the two terrorists who killed four innocent civilians and wounded over 170 others. Well, I am afraid that it is too late for me, for the families of those killed or maimed, and for 99 percent of Americans who live in “the real world” of “seeing is believing.”

The calculated use of violence against civilians as a motive to attain a political, religious or ideological goal is terrorism pure and simple. No amount of equivocating as to the motive or goal will ever identify the bombings as nothing more than terrorism and those perpetrating that calculated violence will ever be identified as nothing more than terrorists.


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Discussion | 37 comments

  • James E.April 29, 2013 - 11:15 am

    Mr. Arjil I believe to not rush to judgment was sarcasm on the part of the writer.

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  • robertdnollApril 29, 2013 - 4:13 pm

    my goodness,sarcasm about terrorists,are we to laugh at such an UN-sensitive posting as a silly missive? Disgusting

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  • James E.April 29, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    Mr. Dnoll, if my memory serves it was a letter wanting pressure cookers to be banned. Hmmm, this could lead to a 3AM visit from the SWAT team. I'd hide my pressure cooker if I had one. Banned mine years ago because it tended to cook the food into mush. UN sensitive? Perhaps we are talking about two different letters?

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  • Phil VeerkampApril 30, 2013 - 9:40 pm

    LINK - BOMBSHELL - Saudi Arabia warned the United States IN WRITING about Tamerlan Tsarnaev.... - - - These kinds of shards of information were stitched together in the Bush administration by his detractors to create "9/11 - inside job" There are already efforts to cobble together "alternate narratives" for Boston. Proceed with caution. -

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 5:31 am

    RobertObtuse, the sarcasm was aimed not at terrorism, but the loonatic left who would sell this event to their low information lemmings as sports injuries if they thought they could get away with it. They might even blame it on a video but that dog didn't hunt the last time. I realize it probably did for you but many of us aren't as gifted as you. You are correct about one thing, watching the left isn't funny, it is sad. It reminds me of medical science, you can get a face lift, a tummy tuck, lyposuction, a nose job, hair transplant, but you can't fix stupid.

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 5:44 am

    Phil, don't you just love it? Saudi Arabia, where they grow terrorists denied this guy a visa and we give him food, welfare, housing, cars, phones and the money to build the bombs. Isn't political correctness great? Leftism is the single greatest danger to mankind.

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 5:50 am

    Phil, here is the perfect example of how dangerous leftism is. This clown still has people convinced we can control the weather.

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 6:00 am

    Phil, have you seen this? Another example of the left knowing what is best for everyone. Tyranny for the good of its victims.

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 6:09 am

    Phil, I bet you can't read this without laughing hysterically.

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  • Ken SteersMay 01, 2013 - 6:44 am

    Quite possibly why I have been labeled a 1%'er. I ask all of you, why those poor two "boys" who you have branded terrorists felt the need to bring their pressure cookers to the sporting event? Their mother went on TV and blamed Amerika for taking her children. We need to study the surviving boy to better understand how our society has wronged their peoples.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 01, 2013 - 6:55 am

    Dammit, Cookie!!! I'm just outa bed and you direct me to AlGore porridge - dizguztin!

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 8:17 am

    Ken, flip a coin, it is either your fault or Bush's. You were so busy creating jobs and opportunity and paying for the obama voters that you neglected to beat your wife and slaughter innocent people in the name of peace.

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 8:29 am

    Phil, I know you love the smell of global warming in the morning.

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 01, 2013 - 8:48 am


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  • Ken SteersMay 01, 2013 - 9:34 am

    Cookie, Regarding beating my wife. She is 5-0 110 lbs of pure #@!% kicking destruction. I thought it was more of a supercilious attempt at mocking in a sardonic manner. But sarcasm was the over all gist.

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Ken, the left loves to study things. As we know the determine the outcome before they ever do the study and then use the pre-determined results to impose more of their nonsense on the rest of us. Here is one of the lefts hero's until they found out everything he did was faked.

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  • AnthonyMay 01, 2013 - 10:00 am

    Phil Veerkamp, I see that the Saudi story link goes to freerepublic, which sources the story to the British publication Daily Mail online. I will leave it to the readers of this forum to research for themselves the credibility of the Daily Mail online website.. But even the story itself is hypothetical as noted in this sentence ""If true, the account will produce added pressure on the Homeland Security department and the White House to explain their collective inaction after similar warnings were offered about Tsarnaev by the Russian government."" The original source is anonymous and the publication cannot confirm whether the account is true. The story also points out that DHS completely denies the accuracy of the story. So far, there is no mention of this story at either FOX or the Wall St Journal, two decidedly conservative news sources. People will believe what they want. Personally I think we should all be most skeptical when we are being told exactly what we want to hear, and be doubly skeptical of an organization's credibility when they have demonstrated record of being flat out wrong. The Daily Mail online has such a reputation. Below is a link to a recent example of erroneous reporting where they at least had the class to apologize in print. They could not get their facts straight on a story where there were no state secrets at stake, and all participants were known by name. Yet we are supposed to believe that their anonymous source and their account is 100% accurate? I don't think so. The Daily Mail has a credibility problem. Believe their Saudi story if you like. Personally, I will wait to see it published by an actual news organization, not an entertainment tabloid. It also reported claims that Mr Schon was a “drunk and abusive man” who had become “increasingly spiteful and vindictive” using his money to bully his ex-wife and that his fiancée Michaele Salahi had turned him against his former wife. We accept that these allegations are untrue and apologise to Mr Schon, Ms Salahi and the family for any distress caused. We have agreed to pay Mr Schon and Michaele damages and legal costs

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 10:04 am

    3 more people arrested in connection with Boston bombing. How many from the obama regime told us they acted alone? But they told us Benghazi was because of a video.

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  • AnthonyMay 01, 2013 - 10:08 am

    lo and behold. Saudi Amabassador says it is BS. """""""'The Saudi government also does not have any record of any application by Tamerlan Tsarnaev for any visa to Saudi Arabia.'"""""""

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  • cookie65May 01, 2013 - 10:21 am

    Anthony, how come the Daily Mail has been reporting on the abortion butcher trial and ABC news has not?

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  • AnthonyMay 01, 2013 - 10:33 am

    The American government denies the story. The Saudi government denies the story. The story itself cannot confirm the story is true. I fail to see what those facts have to do with the Gosnell story. as far as ABC news is concerned. ........................... ...........................

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  • EvelynMay 01, 2013 - 1:27 pm

    "How I Discovered The Hidden Side of History" - HERE

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  • Phil VeerkampMay 01, 2013 - 2:35 pm

    Anthony, you referenced my April 30, 2013 - 9:40 pm post which concludes, “Proceed with caution.” Thank you, Anthony, for proceeding with caution. The internet is polluting the knowledge data base with fabrications. 9/11-inside job is probably the one “construction” that ACTUALLY KILLS. Among its adherents are some who are motivated to action. They believe deep in their souls that any government so evil as to fly airliners into its own WTC and the Pentagon is deserving of radical action against it. Our knowledge base is under attack. I have heard that within our own schools there are some teachers who affirmatively teach that the Apollo program was a Hollywood production. The majority of Arab Jihadists “know” that the moon landing was faked and 9-11 was an inside job. We are losing the “infowar”.

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  • Ken SteersMay 01, 2013 - 2:50 pm

    My goodness robertdnoll is worried about UN-sensitive speech? What is UN-sensitive anyway? I'm going to perform a thorough check to see if this robertdnoll isn't actually a political subversive plant for the evil powerful and dangerous Pressure Cooker lobby.

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  • Tom GibneyMay 01, 2013 - 3:17 pm

    Well of course! ABC is a trusted source to help the Obama Government to clear things up! Thank God! Wow... I can't stop laughing....THHHHPPPPT HAHAHAHAHA

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  • cookie65May 02, 2013 - 8:56 am

    Evelyn, on your post about the hidden side of history. Several years ago when my son was a junior in high school his history text book was laying on the table so I decided to thumb thru it. I was astonished to see two pages dedicated to the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings highlighting anita hill and not a single mention of clinton/lewinski. History is decided by those who write it just like elections are decided by those who count the vote. It is why those kids in England were celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher.

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  • DB SmithMay 02, 2013 - 9:13 am

    Right Cookie, If parents would take a little time to see what and how their kids are being taught, pay attention to what is on the school board agenda, then attend a board meeting now and then to see what text books the board are adopting and how they are tending the till, then I know we would have a much more balanced and better run system for all.

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  • cookie65May 02, 2013 - 9:23 am

    Isn't today the anniversary of obama taking out Osama (with the slightest assistance from the Navy Seals)?

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  • James E.May 02, 2013 - 9:36 am

    Cookie, no president is involved in a actual special operation. His only function is to be briefed (probably by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and a Special Operations general or two), and then give a GO or a NO GO. If he gives a GO and it fails it his failure. If he gives a GO and it is a success, it is his success. It's a presidential thing.

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  • AnthonyMay 02, 2013 - 9:49 am

    As someone who does support the President, I have no hesitation to point out when he is wrong. I need to send a note to the White House to remind the President that he really should stop taking so much credit for the success of the bin Laden mission. Next time, in a similar situation, instead of a 10 minute speech from the White House, he should be more humble and self-effacing with no grandstanding. He should dress up in a spiffy flight suit and swoop onto the deck of an aircraft carrier with a giant MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner. If he does that, then surely no one would accuse him of taking too much credit. Come to think of it, isn't Abe Lincoln getting way more than his share of the credit for freeing the slaves? I mean after all, what did Lincoln do? He had some meetings, he listened to his advisors and he signed a Presidential order, same as Obama. The slaves freed themselves.

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  • Ken SteersMay 02, 2013 - 10:54 am

    I got a strange image of Bush buying cocaine from Obama while reading Anthony's post. I have always believed that the worst decision Reagan ever made was choosing Bush as his running mate. There has never been a fiscal conservative president in my lifetime. Kennedy was assassinated when I was 1 year old. I have no doubt that future historians will view Obama as at least as important a President as Lincoln in our children's history books.

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  • rodMay 02, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    James, it is a certainty if the bin Laden raid had failed and seals died... OBAMA WOULD HAVE BLAMED SOMEONE ELSE. Is there ANY example where Ojamba has admitted an error? get real.

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  • rodMay 02, 2013 - 6:24 pm

    NEWS FLASH Oregon legislature just passed "driver cards for illegals bill". Yes the liberal majority legislature just passed a bill that has caused whopping new illegal immigration in New Mexico and Tennessee. These states are backpedaling on their stupid law... so Oregon goes full tilt boogie on a known mistake. This should tell you all you need to know about liberalism.

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  • James E.May 02, 2013 - 6:51 pm

    Rod, the president would have said something like: "The mission failed. I authorized it knowing it was a high risk mission. I take full responsibility." The Commander in Chief, Democrat or Republican, doesn't weasel on national Special Operations missions that win or lose. If it works, he gets the good, if it fails, he gets the bad. I regret you don't care for the president -- Ojamba is a tell as to your real reasons for your comment.

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  • AnthonyMay 02, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    well said James. It is illustrative the extent to which speculative fiction is used to criticize the President, instead of what he actually says. . . . Asked if he bears any blame for the stalemate, Obama said the buck stops at his desk. "I think that, you know, as president I bear responsibility for everything, to some degree," he said on CBS' "60 Minutes."

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  • rodMay 02, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    Horse pucky! fast and furious failure.. Ojamba invokes Exec. Priv. and shuts up Holder. Benghazi failure (his baby start to finish)... Ojamba sends Rice out to cover his (!) and sequesters eye witnesses... How stupid do you think.. oops sorry hard for libs to think. Quit yer gum flapping and show some examples of his accepting an error.

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  • James E.May 02, 2013 - 8:17 pm

    Came back for a moment while eating a ham sandwich. Rod, in all your frothing anger you seem to be handing out homework assignments and demanding answers. Here's one for you instead: Give us some examples of Senator McConnell accepting an error? Come on, you know he does it all the time. I DEMAND your answer. Well, you can take your time as I'm going back to basketball. Later.

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