Wednesday, April 23, 2014
PLACERVILLE, CALIFORNIA
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Value of water

EDITOR:

What is water’s value?

Over the last few months a lot of paper space has been used up talking about increased cost for your water, almost weekly news about EID and GDPUD wrangling with rising costs and lowering revenues; add a portion of CIP projects and debt service thrown in and you got a full plate. But I have yet to see discussions on what is the value of the water that a residential customer could relate to. How can one know if water costs are out of line unless you know what your water costs per some unit we might have a chance of understanding — say cost for 5 gallons of water — delivered.

This is where I task everyone reading this brief, ask yourself what would you say is a good price for 5 gallons of water delivered to your house? Come on now, play along … what do you guess?

Unfortunately that seems to be what most folks must do — guess — but we are confident we know water costs too much. See my logic? Hope so.

Next time you get your water bill do the following: Most water agencies state water usage in cubic feet. One cubic foot is equal to 7.48 gallons. Take your total water bill and divide the total gallons used and you get the cost of 1 gallon of water delivered. Multiply by 5 and you have the cost of 5 gallons delivered to your abode.

Did it match your guess of what 5 gallons of water costs at a good value?

Example calculation: Using an average cost of $1.50 per day and 300 gpd usage on 60-day cycle, the following is the calculation. Take the $90 bill and divide this by gallons used (2,406 cubic feet times 7.48 gal/cubic feet). $90 divided by 18,000 gallons used equals $0.005 a gallon. $0.005 times 5 gallons equals $0.025 or 2.5 cents per 5 gallons.

NILES FLEEGE
Placerville

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  • John G.January 28, 2014 - 10:43 am

    Compare that to the cost of bottled water! In my machine at work, $1.25 for 1.25 pint of water. That makes it easy, $1 per pint. Now, there are 8 pints per gallon so $8 per gallon or $40 per 5 gallons. $40 vs 2.5 cents...I'm in the wrong business. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of increasing our water bills, just comparing bottled vs delivered to your tap.

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  • Robert D NollJanuary 28, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    if anyone pays one penny for bottled water it's no wonder they are willing to pay forty dollars a gallon

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  • The 1% SolutionJanuary 28, 2014 - 9:25 pm

    I tried to do a similar calculation on my city sewage outflow, but no matter how i crunched the numbers the result was always the same.... a stinking mess.

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  • No shet!January 28, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    My city sewer bill is more than my electrical, cable and phone bill, combined.

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  • getting realJanuary 28, 2014 - 9:52 pm

    Using the same logic as the editorial above on your sewer bill, how much would you pay each month for someone to haul off a 5 gallon bucket full of stinky poop water from your home every day? And don't forget, you need to also treat the poop water to the same quality of drinking water before pouring it out. And comply with a bowl full of regulations at the same time. Makes me fall off my stool.

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 28, 2014 - 10:16 pm

    I'm thinking you have Guinness World Records stool. Have you checked?

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  • getting real with getting realJanuary 28, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    If the effluent is the same quality as drinking water why pour it out?

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  • Phil VeerkampJanuary 28, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    TRIVIA - One dollar worth of EID tap will fill 1945 pint bottles. Get a Brita or a Zero Point if you don't trust tap.

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  • cookie65January 31, 2014 - 4:35 am

    The value of water doesn't appear to be comprehended by the people running this state. If it were, the people who drained Folsom lake would be up on charges. I would pay $5 to see any of our local media shove a microphone in the responsible parties face and ask them "why"? I don't think it has sunk in yet how costly that may end up being if we have a really dry winter and spring.

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  • jodyFebruary 01, 2014 - 4:51 pm

    from the sacramento bee Q: With the drought conditions, requirements to reduce water use and especially how low Folsom Lake is, will someone research and explain why they are releasing water at Nimbus Dam? – Lilly Jarusevicius, Orangevale A: Water must be released downstream of Nimbus Dam for a number of reasons. Chief among them is the fact that the city of Sacramento has water rights in the American River that are legally superior to most water rights upstream and also predate construction of the dams. Without water releases from Nimbus, the city of Sacramento would be cut off from this supply. Another reason is that the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, which owns both dams, is required to release a certain amount of water at all times to support fish life in the river. This includes young fall-run Chinook salmon about to hatch in the river now, and Central Valley steelhead that are now spawning. Also, Reclamation sells American River water under contract to farms and cities in the San Joaquin Valley. Although some of these water deliveries can be reduced or cut completely (and have been in the past), Reclamation is still legally bound to release water for the first two reasons.

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  • cookie65February 01, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    There is a great lesson here. Folsom lake is like pensions, foodstamps, welfare, and all the other vote buying schemes. It doesn't matter what promises you have made, When you are out of water, you are out of water. But that being said, based on the answer provided, I cannot recall Folsom lake being nearly drained before the end of January. I am not satisfied with the answer. Do you recall EDD claiming 20,000 people had their benefits interrupted by a "glitch" in the new system? It turned out to be 160,000 some of which still haven't caught up. Or Benghazi being about a video? Or "you will be able to keep your plan"? I can't wrap my trust around anything people in government say.

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  • jodyFebruary 01, 2014 - 5:36 pm

    if you can't accept facts then you are a waste of time.

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  • cookie65February 02, 2014 - 6:08 am

    If your "facts" cannot sustain the slightest scrutiny then your "facts" are a waste of time. People being eager to believe what ever they are told has the of poorest outcomes. They are destined to repeat history. Folsom lake has been nearly drained and we are just past January. How in the world does that not cause you to question what the he// is going on? What will they do for water come summer if we have a dry winter/spring? How will they fulfill those contractual obligations? Your logic is perplexing.

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  • 1036-FrankFebruary 01, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    My suggestion for EID, instead of trying to charge drought surcharges to customers, consider plans for getting out of some debt by selling some excess water if there is any from the high elevation lakes to other water agencies as from what I can see the demand will be huge and some areas will run out as close as Amador and Granite Bay. Solving the EID debt crises should be a primary focus and lowering rates the next priority, not raising them further. People have had enough of the increases.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 01, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    You're kidding. Frank? You ARE kidding? Right?

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  • James E.February 01, 2014 - 7:07 pm

    Cookie, not to worry about Folsom lake, we have two Benghazis heading this way, one smaller one and one big one. Make that weather lows not Benghazis, but I know you like the word Benghazi.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 01, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Two weak low pressure systems are a (sorry) drop in the bucket.

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  • PatriceFebruary 01, 2014 - 7:45 pm

    It does have a nice ring to it! The latest is Paul Rand strongly inferred that Hillary should be held accountable for Bill's cheating. Ok, now there are 2 rants against Hillary.

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 01, 2014 - 8:20 pm

    not yet available!

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  • cookie65February 02, 2014 - 6:29 am

    James, here lies the loving son of the Ghazi family. His name was Ben.

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  • James E.February 01, 2014 - 7:42 pm

    Phil, a drop is a drop is a drop. Would you prefer the high come back in and block them?

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  • Phil VeerkampFebruary 01, 2014 - 7:47 pm

    Hush, James. The projection for Feb 10th has already fallen from 90% to 60% likelihood of rain.

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  • James E.February 01, 2014 - 7:52 pm

    Yes, Senator Paul, blame the wives for the misconduct of their husbands. Not smart, as you've just lost 160 million votes.

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  • Fran DuchampFebruary 01, 2014 - 8:48 pm

    You aint kidding James...i dont even know what you are talking about...but coming from one of those relationships...where the guy played the field...Im ready to scratch eyes out still...and we split up over 14 years ago. :(

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  • the misconduct of their husbands. No, -Not smart!February 02, 2014 - 1:38 am

    On the T.V. show "The 700 Club."Pat Robertson has many opinions on subjects, but it was the famous televangelist's opinion on marriage that took center stage during Wednesday's episode of his daily television program, "The 700 Club." Responding to a question from a viewer, Robertson said that married men "have a tendency to wander" and it is the spurned wife's job to focus on the positive and make sure the home is so enticing, he doesn't want to stray. "I've been trying to forgive my husband for cheating on me," the viewer writes. "We have gone to counseling, but I just can't seem to forgive, nor can I trust. How do you let go of the anger? How do you trust again?" While Robertson's co-host hedged on the question, calling forgiveness "difficult" and spousal infidelity "one of the ultimate betrayals," Robertson got right to the point. "Here's the secret," the famous evangelical said. "Stop talking the cheating. He cheated on you, well, he's a man." The wife needs to focus on the reasons she married her spouse, he continued. "Does he provide a home for you to live in," Robertson said. 'Does he provide food for you to eat? Does he provide clothes for you to wear? Is he nice to the children... Is he handsome?" Robertson also offered a little advice on the "tendency of man." "Recognize also, like it or not, males have a tendency to wander a little bit," Robertson said. "What you want to do is make a home so wonderful that he doesn't want to wander" or give in to the "salacious" magazine pictures and Internet filled with porn. This is certainly not Robertson's first foray into anecdotal marital counseling, however. In January, Robertson told viewers that "awful-looking" women can cause marriages to lose their spark. "It just isn't something to just lie there, 'Well, I'm married to him so he's got to take me slatternly looking,'" he said. "You've got to fix yourself up, look pretty." Similarly, in 2010 the host advised a woman complaining about her husband's flirtatious ways not to "hassle him about it" and just make herself as attractive as possible. He also once told a husband upset that his wife didn't respect him that he could always just "become a Muslim and you could beat her."

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  • Matthew 5:28...February 02, 2014 - 1:51 am

    Jesus said; "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

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  • Conserve water -& No excuses accepted...February 02, 2014 - 1:55 am

    "It's like flushing the toilet less and less after each use, -(Adultery) It Stinks!"

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  • cookie65February 02, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Yes Virginia, the government will dictate how you can feed your family. You know back prior to the gold rush and these foothills were populated with Miwoks and Maidus, there were also periods of drought when the streams, creeks and rivers dried up and the locals still ate the fish and the fish are still here. http://www.news10.net/story/news/local/california/2014/02/01/drought-forces-fishing-ban/5136753/

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  • huh?February 02, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    Cookie... the world you describe doesn't exist anymore. illogical to compare the life of the indiginous population prior to the onslaught of the white man with what exists today. half a million plus in Sacramento are first in line at the trough. Your constant mantra against anything and everything, and labeling everyone who doesn't hold your narrow cynical view of the world an evil leftist is a bore,

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  • cookie65February 02, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    So when the streams, creeks and rivers dry up and the fish die what will have been accomplished by banning fishing? The world of nature does in fact still exist as it always has and will, long after you and I are gone. Government bureaucrats don't cause the fish to exist.

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  • cookie65February 02, 2014 - 6:37 pm

    Less water means less of everything for the fish so banning fishing is likely the worst thing to do... Read the story. It says "Drought-forces-fishing-ban". The is patently false. A drought cannot force a fishing ban, the government can. What causes so many people to just accept what they are told?

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  • Amen...February 02, 2014 - 11:25 pm

    Cookie... the world you describe doesn't exist anymore. illogical to compare the life of the indiginous population prior to the onslaught of the white man with what exists today. half a million plus in Sacramento are first in line at the trough. Your constant mantra against anything and everything, and labeling everyone who doesn't hold your narrow cynical view of the world an evil leftist is a bore,

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  • I also said to myself,February 02, 2014 - 11:48 pm

    “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” So I saw that there is nothing better for a person than to enjoy their work, because that is their lot. For who can bring them to see what will happen after them? -Ecclesiastes 3

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  • What causes so many people to just accept what they are told?February 02, 2014 - 11:58 pm

    Less water, of course.

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  • -& What "else" causes so many people to just accept what they are told?…Well,February 03, 2014 - 12:08 am

    according to Gov. Brown for us all to save water everyone is supposed to flush less! -so, less flushes, and more "stink", -stinky toilets that is! -& that is what causes so many people to just accept what they are told! Just one BIG 'happy happy happy' family!

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  • Good Things Come to Those Who Wait & Obey...February 03, 2014 - 12:12 am

    good night, for now.

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  • & Thanks...February 03, 2014 - 12:13 am

    Gov. Brown. God Bless You.

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  • & Thanks…Obama.February 03, 2014 - 12:17 am

    Giving Thanks, In ALL Things... -For That Is What Is Good, And That Is What Is Right.

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  • Now,February 03, 2014 - 12:18 am

    "It's -Good Night."

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