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EDITOR:
Since Mitt Romney may become president, I’ve started boning up on the religion espoused by the Church of Latter Day Saints, AKA “Mormonism.” I was surprised by the similarities between Mormonism and Islam, until I read that Joseph Smith admitted to borrowing freely from Islam. For example:
· Both religions were founded by men claiming to be prophets (Mohammed and Joseph Smith).
· Both men claimed to have had apparitions (by the Archangel Gabriel for Mohamed, and by the angel Moroni for Smith) during which they were handed down divine revelations.
· Although illiterate, both men managed to dictate those revelations from memory.
· Both men claimed that the reigning religions (idolatry in Arabia and mainline Protestantism in America) were corrupt and needed to be changed.
· Both religions are very secretive. Non-Mormons are normally not allowed in temples, and are not privy to church rituals. With very few exceptions, non-Muslims are also not allowed in mosques, or in the cities of Mecca and Medina.
· Both religions are patriarchal to the extreme. Men rule and women are expected to hew to their “divinely ordered” role, i.e. staying home taking care of children.
· Although one strain of Mormonism has disavowed polygamy, fundamentalist Mormons still practice it. The same is true of Islam: “secular” Muslims no longer practice polygamy, while their fundamentalist brethren do.
· Under Islamic law, “lying,” as most of us understand it, is not considered wrong if it is done in furtherance of Islam’s goals. Former Mormons vouch that the same is true of LDS adherents. Needless to say, Mitt Romney performance during the debates (31 documented lies or myths during the second debate alone) and his myriad positions on one and all issues, give credence to the interpretation that he’ll say anything, do anything, to get elected.
· Finally, there is the question of loyalty. Traditional Islam, from which Joseph Smith admitted drawing inspiration and lessons, does not allow for the separation of church and state. Similarly, former Mormons say that the faithful owe allegiance first to the church, then to the state.
When Catholic John F. Kennedy was running for President, many Protestants questioned his loyalty, claiming that he would take his instructions from the Pope. JFK addressed the issue in a memorable address to the nation.
Where does the loyalty of a President, who also doubles as a high-ranking Mormon bishop, lie? How does he separate his Presidential obligations from his Episcopal ones? It would serve the country well if Romney were to address the nation on the very same issue Kennedy had to face.
JOHN C. GARON
Placerville
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James E.October 22, 2012 - 12:06 pm
Mr. Garon, those are good questions. Would we elect a Catholic Cardinal? No, THE church, not the baseball team. Speaking of Mormons, it was only recently that I learned that, during the VN war, Mormons could get exemption from the draft to go on their conversion missions. How did that happen? Only one religion exempted? There must be a story behind this.
Phillip VeerkampOctober 24, 2012 - 10:28 pm
. . . And you know what else, JOHN C. GARON. . . . I hear tell that the leadership prodeedings look and sound alot like Freemason scenanegans
DarrinOctober 25, 2012 - 10:27 am
On the mormon topic, I find it interesting that the Salt Lake Tribune does not endorse Romney. I am sure they got a lot of Letters to the Editor on that one... http://bit.ly/TOGNLz
Phil VeerkampNovember 01, 2012 - 9:31 am
Mr. Garon writes, "It would serve the country well if Romney were to address the nation on the very same issue Kennedy had to face." I don't believe Mr. Garon. I believe Mr. Garon is lying because Mr. Garon nullifies any and all possible Romney statements by asserting that Mormons are permitted to lie in order to further their religious agendas. Mr. Garon does not really believe that anything that Mitt Romney could possibly say could possibly, “serve the country well”. Mr. Garon?
PvillejackNovember 02, 2012 - 2:02 am
Here is another similarity between Mormonism and Islam. After their profet died Islam split over who should be the next leader which is why we have Shia and Sunni Muslims. The very same thing happened in Mormonism. When Joseph Smith died, his wife Emma left the church and joined the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now called the Community of Christ, because she felt the leadership of the church should stay in Joseph Smith's family. Interesting how people get to question President Obama's Christianity calling him a Muslim, but question Mitt Romney's Christianity and your called an anti-Mormon bigot. I don't want to see our nation turned into a Utah-styled theocracy!
cookie65November 02, 2012 - 5:24 am
This is desperation. You leftist only care about the redistribution of wealth. You didn't care about obama's "spiritual mentor". I have known hundreds of Mormons over the years. They are among the most self suffecient hardest working, charitable, non-judgemental people I have ever known who genuinely love this country. They do believe in self reliance which is what leftists are most scared of.
Ken SteersNovember 02, 2012 - 7:30 am
This Letter to the Editor is paid for and supported by the Eldorado County Democrat Party and Barack Obama. Mr. Garon of the Eldorado County Democrat Party see's White Racist everywhere he goes in our community. He writes about it all the time. I ask the readers to replace Romney with Obama and the L.D.S. Church with the Trinity United Church in this letter. Send it in to the MD. The first person to cry racism will be Mr. John C. Garon. Garon and the Eldorado County Democrat Party are small pathetic anti-religious racist. Shame on all of you.
Rose Colored GlassesNovember 02, 2012 - 8:49 am
Decoder glasses, gold plates and an ancient lost white indian tribe. Nuff said.
RichNovember 02, 2012 - 9:12 am
Ken Steers November 02, 2012 - 7:30 am : this comment is paid for and supported by the Eldorado County Republican Party and Mitt Romney. Mr. Steers of the Eldorado County Republican Party Central Committee see's Muslim terrorist everywhere he goes in our community.
DB SmithNovember 02, 2012 - 10:22 am
Obama was born of a Muslim father and an Atheist mother. Then Barack's mommy divorced and married another Muslim. Hussein's momma then sent him to live with his Atheist grandparents because she couldn't afford him. Barry then went to college and smoked a lot of dope and inhaled it. OB then professes to be a Christian and attends a church for 20 years that spewed hatred against whites, Jews and America. The President then says that he didn't know the Reverend was preaching that kind of stuff during those 20 years. Then in 08 on ABC, the Pres. confesses to his Muslim faith but then quickly reverts back to being a Christian. Just who and what is this Barack Hussein Obama dude who so easily duped you gullible Americans?
Ken SteersNovember 02, 2012 - 10:51 am
Rich, I have never said that I see Muslim terrorist in our community. So you are a bald faced liar. I do however see stupid people. They are everywhere. They don't even know they are stupid.
cookie65November 02, 2012 - 11:34 am
How come this has never been brought up about Harry Reid?
Phil VeerkampNovember 02, 2012 - 11:46 am
Move along, cookie ;)
Long Time VoterNovember 02, 2012 - 11:58 am
Why is it that you compare the two religioins; mormons and religion of Islam? Obama is a Christian and attends the Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago and has for the past 20 years. For the LIV (low information voter) they might be mistaken and believe that Obama is a Muslim....that could not be further from the truth. Non-facts brought to you by Faux Nooze..........
DB SmithNovember 02, 2012 - 3:01 pm
Long Time Voter, Obama is not a member of Trinity United Church. Many years ago he sent his resignation in to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Rev Wright wouldn't accept a $150,000 bribe from Obama to shut his mouth so they got in a tiff and Obama quit. Obama and his family very seldom attend any church. Go figure. Hope this helps to elevate your LIV status.
Ken SteersNovember 02, 2012 - 6:47 pm
I would like to state the obvious and point out that John C Garon and the Eldorado County Democrat Party, Darin, and the rest are Bigots.
RichardNovember 02, 2012 - 8:57 pm
Once again Steers let me repeat, "YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY”, and you a member of the Republican Central Committee along with Supervisors Briggs and Sweeny’s kids.
JohnNovember 02, 2012 - 10:34 pm
Ken Steers is johnny-one-note. He keeps calling me a bigot AND a Democrat. That's impossible: you can be one or the other, not both together. Bigotry and Democrats parted company when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. However, the GOP, of which Mr. Steers is a local governing member, is on the verge of extinction for a simple reason: by turning itself into an all-white, anti-everybody else organization, it has signed its own death warrant. The sooner that occurs, the better off we'll be.
AnthonyNovember 03, 2012 - 1:16 am
When it comes to the religion of any person running for any elective office in this country, a real patriot needs no guidance other than the United States Constitution, which says in Article 6 ""but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."" I have already cast my ballot to reelect President Obama, and neither his religion nor that of Mr. Romney had anything to do with my choice. That is what the founders intended and should be the overriding principle of anyone who claims to believe in the Constitution. The word "god" does not appear in any article, amendment or section of the Constitution. Clearly the founders understood the importance of keeping religious matters out of the political process. Too bad that lesson has been lost on so many Americans.
Ken SteersNovember 03, 2012 - 7:37 am
John C Garon, Besides being a lying bigoted race baiting member of the Democrat Party. You have long term memory loss. The first Republican President? Abraham Lincoln. Who lead the Senate Democrat filibuster opposing the civil rights as well as the voting rights act of '64 and '65? Your buddy Robert Byrd. Democrat Senator Byrd by the way founded his own chapter of the KKK and was a Grand Wizard. It took Republicans to ratify both acts. And John C Garon you know these facts but continue to be a liar anyway.
DB SmithNovember 03, 2012 - 8:44 am
This guy Garon is all played out. The writing on the wall was so clear. We knew he was going to keep playing the race card, which was evidenced on his fabrication of a Home Depot incident. All he had left after that was religion which he's trying to exploit now. Garon is truly a lying, racist, bigoted Democrat.
R.J. CarterNovember 03, 2012 - 9:22 am
Folks like Garon and others have completely worn themselves out trying to defend the indefensible...On the verge of what is called the most important election of our lifetime It has now been threatened by some on the left that If Romney wins (which he most likely will) America will see an unprecedented tidal-wave of civil unrest across the Country....This unrest is said to bypass just basic protesting (which is the right of every American) and go straight to window-smashing, burning, looting, rioting and murder in the streets....Like Mr. Steers, I am well aware of how liberals can lie, but just in case, I for one thanks to my my 2nd Amendment Rights, plan on happily defending both my family and my Country as it becomes necessary......
James E.November 03, 2012 - 10:03 am
R.J., I'm going to trade in my S&W .40, and I've ordered a S&W .38 Model 36. The Model 36 is the pistol I carried in VN, and I am more comfortable with it. Only six rounds, but I'm more able to hit dead center with it. So, you are saying that if Romney wins, liberals will riot across the nation? I don't think so, Americans don't riot anymore -- it's too much trouble and in November/December it's too cold outside.
Ken SteersNovember 03, 2012 - 10:31 am
With out the 2nd amendment you won't be able to shoot your mouth off with the first. What I find profound is all these liberal posters are members of the EDC Democrat party. It is obvious per their own words that they as a chapter are race baiting bigots as a political strategy. Their statements that everyone else is too likens me to a big turd in my yard. I won't touch it. I have to hold my breadth when near it to avoid it's stink. I don't even want to know why or how it got there. I just want it gone. I also find it profound that these are all angry older white guys who are making these bigoted statements. They are dangerous gross and pathetic.
CatherineNovember 03, 2012 - 10:37 am
Anthony has made an intelligent comment. I don't specifically worry about Romney's religion, even though it seems like a goofy belief system and a way to manipulate income taxes and political contributions. It's his morals that seem stinky to me.
James E.November 03, 2012 - 10:37 am
Mr. Steers, not all local liberals are members of the EDC Democratic Party. I am not, and never have been. As for your example of finding nasty things in your yard, I can only say you are quite poetic in your language skills. Keep up the good work.
James E.November 03, 2012 - 10:41 am
If Romney is elected, the American people will get the austerity they want. It will be bitter and ineffectual medicine. Enjoy.
DeeNovember 03, 2012 - 11:08 am
Don't worry R.J. the Obama Administration has it covered:---per Major General Jerry Curry(Ret.)---The Obama Administration has purchased:--- Social Security Administration 174,000 hollow nose bullets;--- National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 46,000 hollow nose bullets;--- Department of Homeland Security (DHS)---750,000,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition;---- The DHS has purchased an additional 750,000,00 miscellanous bullets including wall penetrating ones.--- THIS EQUALS 5 ROUNDS PER EVERY LIVING AMERICAN! ---So R.J. you can rest easy.
DeeNovember 03, 2012 - 11:12 am
****an additional 750,000,000**** I ran out of zeros.
R.J. CarterNovember 03, 2012 - 11:59 am
Dee...I heard the same thing, but how do we know all that ammo isn't going to those drug lords south of the border that the Obama Administration also gave the "Fast & Furious" guns...Their probably running a little low on ammo by now.......Plus... James...Geez Louise, a S&W .38 Model 36???...Hey, Barney Fife just called he wants his gun back....I guess six-shooters are ok for some folks, but if your going that route, personally I'd stick with the .40 cal. variety, I've seen .38's bounce off windshields....
James E.November 03, 2012 - 12:30 pm
R.J., I know, but it's my VN pistol. I promise if my home gets invaded, I'll do one round to center of mass, and then I'll try an eyeball shot.
James E.November 03, 2012 - 1:50 pm
Is it true the government has ordered or purchased a bizzlian dum dum bullets? Has the government ever responded as to why, if true? And, please don't give us Fox News sites to prove your opinion. I know that sometimes in Social Security offices, an occasional old codger goes nuts, but a dum dum bullet in response seems excessive. Can't we just get shot by regular bullets?
James E.November 03, 2012 - 2:07 pm
OK, Googled it and answered my own question. Bullets have been ordered. As example, Social Security has solicited offers for 174,000 rounds. Social Security has 295 special agents who combat Social Security fraud, so order works out to about 590 rounds per agent for training, mandatory quarterly qualification shooting and duty use. Dum dum bullets are the defensive ammo of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement. My S&W .40 is loaded with dum dum bullets, and my S&W .38 Model 36 will also be loaded with same. Given that one does not want to hurt anyone unless their life is in immediate jeopardy, the dum dum gets the job done best if one is in fear of death by hostile individuals. Yes, I know I'm supposed to call 911, but if someone tries to kick down my front door at 3AM, unless the police can arrive in 30 seconds, I will have to do the job myself. I promise to call 911 after the fact.
Jesus H ChristNovember 03, 2012 - 3:08 pm
Mormonism is a cult, Mitt Romney is a product of that cult.
NancyNovember 03, 2012 - 3:24 pm
So, what religion does Obama practice? Collective theology? Was his mentor and pastor Rev. Wright for 20 years? How often do you see Obama in church?
DeeNovember 03, 2012 - 3:46 pm
Infowars.com"A series of new solicitations posted on the FedBizOpps website show that the DHS is looking to purchase 200 million rounds of .223 rifle ammunition over the next four years, as well as 176,000 rounds of .308 caliber 168 grain hollow point boat tail (HPBT) rounds in addition to 25,000 rounds of blank .308 caliber bullets. As James Smith over at the Prepper Podcast website highlights, “It is the type of ammunition and not necessarily the quantity that is troubling.” Smith points out that the DHS’ acquisition of .308 rounds is of concern because they are set to be used by well-trained snipers. “All of the sniper grade ammunition is being used by trained, or in-the-process-of-being-trained snipers,” writes Smith, noting that the math adds up to 135,384 potential kills for the snipers to make, using the 176,000 rounds of ammunition, basing the figures on the fact that United States Army and Marine Corps snipers in the Vietnam War expended 1.3 rounds of ammunition for each claimed and verified kill." --- FYI
Paddy O'furnitureNovember 03, 2012 - 4:37 pm
John C. Garon, where in blazes did you get this idea that "Bigotry and Democrats parted company when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act"? You are either ignorant, or as has been said above, a bald-faced liar. I think both. LBJ, after signing the civil rights act of 1964 said "“I’ll have those n*gg**s voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One If that's not good enough, here's another LBJ quote: "“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ Look it up John C. Garon.
Paddy O'furnitureNovember 03, 2012 - 4:52 pm
James E. Longhofer, the nearly 1 billion rounds the feds have ordered are not "dum dum" rounds, they are hollow points. These are not for training or target practice, that's what the so called "dum dum" rounds are for-they're cheaper than hollow points. Hollow points are what you put in the magazine after you leave the range and you want to go for maximum damage. I congratulate you for two things: 1) actually being a gun owner; most socialist/democrats are too afraid to hold one, and hence, don't want ANYone to have one. 2) Doing some real homework and discovering the truth about this Fed/ammo issue. I almost respect you. Well, not really. Does that make me a fascist?
simply put . . .November 03, 2012 - 4:55 pm
. . . BIGOTS are obstinately or intolerantly devoted to their own opinions and prejudices. If the shoe fits . . .
James E.November 03, 2012 - 4:56 pm
As most everyone knows LBJ was capable of saying anything, but he did get the job done and signed the Civil Rights Bill. What politicians of all stripes say behind closed doors would shock the heck out of us -- even the ones we consider "nice" or those forbidden to swear. Mr. O'furniture, it's been a while. How you doing?
James E.November 03, 2012 - 5:03 pm
Mr. O'furniture, what's the difference between hollow point and dum-dum. I thought both had some of the bullet drilled out of the point of the bullet. Educate me. We didn't have hollow point/dum-dum when I was in the Army -- think they were prohibited by the Geneva Convention. Come on, you know you like me. You're just afraid if you say so, your Tea/Republican "friends" will come down on you.
AnthonyNovember 03, 2012 - 5:11 pm
The racist quote attributed to LBJ is at best hearsay and originates from a book review on Amazon. There is no record of President Johnson ever saying such a thing. Even the review that serves as the source says that Johnson "reportedly" made such a comment. People make lots of claims. Republicans claim that Martin Luther King was a Republican. There is not a shred of evidence to support the claim. Some claim that President Obama was born in Kenya. What people say, and what is actually true are two very different things. The bottom line is that LBJ championed and signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, much to the dismay of folks who told us Martin Luther King was a communist. . http://www.amazon.com/Inside-White-House-Ronald-Kessler/product-reviews/0671879197/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
AnthonyNovember 03, 2012 - 5:15 pm
Paddy O'furniture you really should refrain from making generalizations about people. I come from a family of lifelong Democrats. Most of us are gun owners. Personally I own 2 9mm Bersa pistols. I don't know where you get your information about us so-called socialists, but you need to find another source. Whatever source you are using has a serious problem with accuracy.
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TerriNovember 03, 2012 - 7:48 pm
John Garon does not need to have the Democratic party or an election year behind him to voice his much needed opinion. He knows what he is talking about and I applaud his diligence in standing up to you vile bullies. You guys are scarier than Hell!
James E.November 03, 2012 - 8:32 pm
Could all the vile bullies please stand up and take a bow.
RichardNovember 04, 2012 - 12:51 am
Col. Chesty Puller during the Korean War 1952; We're surrounded,that simplifies our problem"
JohnNovember 04, 2012 - 8:32 pm
When I hear Republicans say "Dum dum", I listen for I know they speak from long, personal experience.
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