Wednesday, April 16, 2014

What did we learn from the shutdown?


Government is simply a word for the things we decide to do together. And if there is one lesson that the recent 16-day government shutdown taught us, it is this: There are a lot of things we Americans have decided to do, together, and people were angry when these things were taken away.

Michelle Langbehn and hundreds of other cancer patients were heartbroken when they were denied potentially life-saving treatment protocols after the shuttering of the National Institutes of Health. World War II veterans rebelled when they couldn’t visit the monuments in Washington. Wildland firefighters were justifiably upset when they were forced to work, putting their lives in harm’s way, without pay. And it all had a ripple effect – when Yosemite National Park was closed, when spending by government agencies ground to a halt, when thousands of federal workers in Rep. Tom Mclcintock’s district were, in effect, furloughed, it drained $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, according to the S&P index.

This all supposedly was a fight over Obamacare, but actually it was about much, much more. The conflict centered on a fundamental question: What is the rightful place of government in our lives? During the shutdown, several competing philosophies emerged.

One philosophy, embraced by Rep. McClintock and the Tea Party faction of the GOP, held that government has no role in our lives, save for the bare essentials (and even those were threatened by the shutdown). And they were willing to sacrifice our economy to get their way. It is a shame that Rep. McClintock voted no on the measure to end the government shutdown and to avoid default, after seeing weeks of demonstrations outside his office calling for a budget deal.

The day before the vote, Tuesday, Oct. 15, Michelle Langbehn and California Fair Share delivered the petition signed by over 140,000 Americans urging Congress to end the shutdown and help her fight cancer. Michelle shared her inspirational story and said, “I stand here as a voting American whose voice is being ignored. We, the citizens, are the losers. We voted for politicians, like Tom McClintock, who shut down the government and put American lives at risk. We deserve better.”

The second philosophy, and one that we at California Fair Share believe in, along with most Americans, is pretty different: Let’s do all we can for an economy that works for all of us, and that gives the most people a chance at a fair shot at a good life. And a shutdown that nearly destroys all progress toward this goal is almost antithetical to this philosophy.

Is there any question that this second approach is embraced by the majority of Rep. McClintock’s constituents? Consider that after the rise of U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz and after the Tea Party overran Republican leadership in the House, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that only 24 percent of respondents held a positive view of the GOP — the lowest such finding in the poll’s history.

And now, government is up and running again, much to the relief of Californians who want to take their families camping in Yosemite and small-business owners, from Jackson to Oakhurst, who rely on the outdoor recreation community for their livelihoods.

But the budget fights are not over. Government is only funded until January, and the issue of the debt ceiling will return a month later. Now is a good time for all of us to reflect on the proper role of government in our lives and our priorities as a nation, and, most importantly, how we might align these two things.

PATRICK STELMACH, State Organizer for California Fair Share
El Dorado Hills

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Discussion | 54 comments

  • 1036-FrankOctober 18, 2013 - 4:19 pm

    Community organizer for who? Fair Share? Never heard of you and your redistribute liberal ideas will never play in this county. What Bay area town are you from? Might wan to head back. This shutdown was caused by the non-negotiator in chief, who by the way, has not had a budget for five years, a first in history, he operates with these CR's that are causing these shut downs and they will continue because of incompetence at the top. These shut downs are all done under the Alinsky-ite rule book for effect by King Ali-Bummer himself and his forty thieves. The economic damage was caused by the liberals shutting down private business and contractors most never affected before all because the King had to force govt. welfare care on people who don't want it with the IRS now set to enforce it. Govt. employees will be paid and the money returned into the economy soon. Low approval numbers are what King Ali-Bummer is known for. People want to know when can they get their country back from these crazed liberals.

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  • James E.October 18, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    Frank, Frank, Frank. Fill the tub with cold water, add ice, get in. You should be OK in a couple of hours.

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  • Dee#1October 18, 2013 - 4:39 pm

    Rep. McClintock, Thank you so much for your bravery of standing up to Democrat/Republicans while trying to solve our problems of the devalued dollar, over 17 TRILLION dollars in debt and the un-Affordable Care Act. Thank you for fighting for our Constitutional freedoms and rights. You are constantly being attacked for doing as you promised but know that we will be fighting for your re-election and sending you back to Washington. Thank you again.

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  • James E.October 18, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    Dee, I'm getting the idea you support Tom.

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  • Dee#1October 18, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    Patrick, 17% of the Government was shut down, not the whole Government.. The shutdown services were determined by how much pain to the populace they could produce. The more pain, the better the Administration liked it. I don't know for sure, but I'll bet you are one of the new organizations funded by S.E.U.I. to bring down conservatives. Please be aware we are going to fight you every step of the way.

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  • James E.October 18, 2013 - 4:47 pm

    Wonder if the House voted today to defund Obamacare?

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  • James E.October 18, 2013 - 4:54 pm

    Congress has a good deal. They return from home during Monday. Then work (?) on Tuesday, Wednesday, and cut out early on Thursday to return home.

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  • Dee#1October 18, 2013 - 4:54 pm

    Regarding the shut down for cancer treatment from SacBee--------Still, McClintock noted that House Republicans earlier this month sent the Senate a continuing resolution that reopened the National Institutes of Health. The “Research for Lifesavings Cures Act” passed 254-171. The Senate did not take up the measure, one of several piecemeal funding bills the House has passed Read more here: the fault of the Democrat Senate. Also Obama said he would veto the bill. Shutdown the most painful ordered by Obama.

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  • DavidOctober 19, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    The idea that President Obama caused the shutdown is a bit of convenient fiction. Presidents do not pass appropriations bills. Only Congress can do that. Republicans -- well, the Tea Party faction -- tried to point a loaded gun at the economy and call it a negotiation. They lost. Now America will decide over the next few election cycles whether we agree or disagree with what the Tea Party folks did.

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  • DarrinOctober 21, 2013 - 7:02 am

    I guess you folks need to let the rest of the world know it wasn't the Republicans that caused this shutdown. Cause they must have it wrong... The shutdown was initiated after a routine government spending bill saddled with Republican-sponsored provisions to delay parts of Obamacare, failed to win support in the Democratic controlled senate. This forced 800,000 federal employees off their jobs and meant the closure of a series of non-essential government services. Link The rollout went forward despite the shutdown that was sparked by Republican efforts to derail the health-care law or at least delay parts of it from taking effect. The Republicans repeatedly tried to attach provisions related to Obamacare to a routine government spending bill and each time they were rejected by the Democrat-controlled Senate. With no agreement on funding reached by midnight last night, Americans woke up this morning to a government shutdown. Link

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  • DarrinOctober 21, 2013 - 7:04 am

    You guys should let the rest of the world know it wasnt the Republicans that shut down the government, because they must have it wrong... Suddenly, Republicans who thought it was fine to hold the government and the economy hostage in order to nullify a duly enacted law — the Affordable Care Act — are shocked that Democrats would even suggest tampering with another duly enacted law: the Budget Control Act of 2011, which established the “sequester” cuts.

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  • DarrinOctober 21, 2013 - 7:05 am

    You need to educate the Canadians, they must have it wrong... The shutdown was initiated after a routine government spending bill saddled with Republican-sponsored provisions to delay parts of Obamacare, failed to win support in the Democratic controlled senate. This forced 800,000 federal employees off their jobs and meant the closure of a series of non-essential government services.

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  • DarrinOctober 21, 2013 - 8:58 am

    The Germans have it wrong... For more than two weeks, Republicans went to the mat in Washington's latest partisan fiscal battle in a push to defund President Barack Obama's signature Affordable Care Act (ACA). But on Wednesday, the Tea Party caucus couldn't hold the line any longer, with many moderate Republicans agreeing to cut their losses and support a bill to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling through the New Year.

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  • Judith MathatOctober 24, 2013 - 12:16 am

    Everyone better get a history book that has not been reformed by liberal text book committees and companies at the behest of a bunch of book smart dirt stupid kool-aid drinkers hell bent on transforming the USA under Saul Alinsky's ideology and concepts of mass organization for power-model of Marxism "Rules for Radicals" and by the way Obama uses it as his Bible and guess who the forward is dedicated to??? Yep, the Devil! Now the Republicans did what Republicans said they would do and the Democrats did what they said they would do. The Reps sent Budget bills to the Senate who refused to pass them and most of which Harry refused to even put them up for a the President could not sign them and this "shut down" was and could not have been caused by the Democrats or the Republicans, if you are smart enough to look at the events you will know this was all choreographed by His Emperor with no clothes, probably Valerie Jarred, his puppet-master. How many of you looked at the poor Americans that were facing signs that stopped them from going in to National Parks and monuments and how many forced vacations with pay and a pay raise after a two day later than usual paycheck were given to those 800,000 government employees??? There is no way this government is competent enough to get all those signs and barricades and stuff out to thousands of places in the 8 to 10 hours after the shutdown unless they had gotten contracts and made arrangements long before, weeks or months, to have printers and mail delivery services ready to deliver them in under 10 hours!!! Get real here. If they had them all ready to put up and the places were picked out as where to use them, as the government park worker told the press, "We are to make it as painful as possible for the American people as we can." you have got to know that this fiasco was all on His Highness. Only 15% of the government was shut down and even Obama could not allow his golf course at Andrews AFB to close!! Narrissistic whiner that he is, even poor Michelle Obama's garden was touted as dying from lack of gardeners to tend it for her, Not mentioned was the fact that this time of year in DC most gardens go to seed and die naturally". I will take a Ted Cruz who stands up for the courage of his convictions any day over all the rest of those mussel behinds stuck to their Senate and Legislative Chairs in Chambers that need a breath of fresh air! Tom McClintock is an avowed politician with a lot of varied experience in politics and that is a good thing and not a major problem as long as he continues to listen to the people he represents and stands up for them. I have yet to hear anyone call this ACA a tax and that is what is concerning since the Supreme Court said that is what it is and it is not a law!!! Everyone calls it a law the court said it was NOT a law so for all of you out there saying it is the Law of the Land, I beg to differ with you and so did the Supreme Court! What some of you forget is that the Law of the Land in the form of the right to keep and own slaves, a Democrat opposed law was: Passed by a Republican majority Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865, the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States. The Democrats formed the KKK and tried to intimidate blacks and Republicans with violence and burning crosses (that a Democrat is today blaming Tea Party members for burning crosses is laughable). So you see the Laws of the Land are designed, under the Constitution to be able to be reversed through a process of checks and balances that the Democrats and this President particularily more than all others and also some Republicans to be a "living document" made to be interrperted as are all laws to suit his desires. This will backfire and is today doing just that with the huge failure of just the beginning of this ACA and the spending of over 700 million dollars. Even the CEO of Aetna said on a talk show the other day that they saw problems with the system and offered help and were told that the "White House had its own perspectives on how they wanted it to be done so no thanks.) I will not even go there except to say that the state exchanges are seemingly working until they have to interface with the Federl system that is a complete mess. Every day gets worse and worse and the stories of what this TAX is doing to Americans is far greater than a two week vacation and inconvenience by edit of the Pres to hurt Americans could ever do. His big problem is he messed wtih Veterans and any real American would know that you should NEVER do that!!! there is so much else going on and this was just anoter wag the dog event to be a placement to fill up a hole until the next one. What do you want to bet that there is several warehouses with signs made up to cover many many more "crisis" that will not be wasted on this Presidents political agenda and his administrations crazy ideas as how to control the public and cause division between the populous and the polarity of the two parties? The signs that will get everyone awake is the ones that will be put at the end so major thoroughfares and at every street corner with bullhorns in tracked vehicles traveling the street telling you all to stay inside as you are now under Marshall Law and that the Presidents Homeland Security Forces are authorized to shoot on sight anyone who disobeys that order. This is not a conspiracy, live in Europe for years and let the Romanians, Germans, Polish, French, Belgians etc. tell you how it happened to them. They will tell you that the take over of health care and private property and the reduction of their armed forces and the complacency of the people were all part and parcel to their demise. This along with division of the haves and have nots and the forced redistribution of wealth.. This President told you his Hope and Change was to transform America, no one listened, the only thing that is not happening now yet in some ways the idolatry is glaring is that everyone is not raising their arms in salute to his presence!!! I know Blah, Blah, Blah. Enough already, it is too tiring to try and change anyone's mind at this point and speaking to the choir is okay but the no one wants to sing with you and raise their voices loud enough to be heard all the way to DC. Funny how lemmings follow each other to their demise and the ones left on land repeat the same mistakes over and over again. The human condition is only going to be saved by Him who sent us and who has everything under control.

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  • EvelynOctober 24, 2013 - 7:39 am

    Judith: I'll bet most people believe martial law would never be declared in the United States. I hope they're right.

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  • Dee#1October 27, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    Evelyn, martial law has already been declared -------- Senate Report 93-549 (written by Congress in 1973) states in the very first sentence: "Since March the 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and... control the lives of all American citizens." This situation has continued absolutely uninterrupted since March 9, 1933. We have been in a state of declared national emergency for nearly 77 years without knowing it. According to current laws, as found in 12 USC, Section 95(b), everything the President or the Secretary of the Treasury has done since March 4, 1933 is automatically approved: "The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore, or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March the 4th, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by Subsection (b) of Section 5 of the Act of October 6th, 1917, as amended [12 USCS Sec. 95a], are hereby approved and confirmed. (Mar. 9, 1933, c. 1, Title 1, Sec. 1, 48 Stat. 1]".

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  • EvelynOctober 27, 2013 - 8:04 pm

    Dee#1: Friday a friend told me about hearing a caller on Coast-to-Coast who reported recently having seen rooms-full of "Martial Law Declared" signs (or some such wording). Having no way of documenting or verifying this info I will at this stage simply label it a rumor.

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  • James E.October 24, 2013 - 9:28 am

    Evelyn, the nation would have to be aflame for martial law to be declared. Americans are too fat and lazy to demonstrate in the streets with fire bombs, etc. Now in foreign lands we see citizens take to the streets -- but, not here. Because here it's all talk, no do.

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  • James E.October 24, 2013 - 9:31 am

    Well, citizens did take to the streets during the Vietnam era. But, they had big time motivation -- they didn't want to be drafted.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 24, 2013 - 11:11 am

    Hey guys -- Congressional Republican approval is DOWN to 9% (single digits)..... Wow.... and El Dorado County has two of them.... Dee and Judith....

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  • Dink LaneOctober 24, 2013 - 11:28 am

    Ever notice that "Marxism" is used every time someone argues FOR "Capitalism" "Oligarchy" or "Corporate Greed".......... Yes it's true.... Marxism argues: CLASS conflict within capitalism arises due to intensifying contradictions between highly-productive mechanized and socialized production performed by the PROLETARIAT, ...........and yes it argues that CLASS warfare is CAUSED by ............. private ownership and private appropriation PROFIT by a small minority of private owners called the bourgeoisie -- who did NOT care about the MAJORITY of the people..... (Does any of this sound familiar for today)................ I'm NOT for Marxism.... but Marxism was fighting against "McClintock" and the KOCH Brothers type of "Tea-pot people" long before we came along.... We don't need Marxism... any more than we need Corporate Greed who doesn't care if 17% were jobless because King McClintock didn't like the look of President Obama.... and 100,000 Californians (as of 10/24/2013) could FINALLY buy affordable Health Care....

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  • James E.October 24, 2013 - 11:38 am

    Dink, and how low will it go when the Tea/Repubs do the government shutdown/default thing again in Jan/Feb? Of course, everyone knows they will. I did like Senator McConnell's comment that if a mule kicks you in the head you learn nothing new to have the mule kick you in the head again.

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  • Dink LaneOctober 24, 2013 - 11:44 am

    Ah James.... They still have blood relatives and if Dee and Judith keep their blinders on..... I don't think it will go any lower....

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  • Judith MathatOctober 24, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    No not Blinders and not rose colored glasses as you would have all believe. There is no "Utopia" or "Imagine" only the deeds of despots on both sides of the road and history should tell all of you to not stray too far in eith direction if you want balance and the old formula of MPG vs VIP is a sure as you can get to keeping your government in control. Currently we have the biggest imbalance in a long, long while and that Money Power and Greed is hitting the bottom of the scale on the left!!! What it will take is for common sense and the destruction of a free market economy of US citizens, not rioting in the streets but in lines looking for a loaf of bread and a gallon of gas. Live in Europe during the time when the driving on Sundays was forbidden except to certain officials and emergency types? Go visit Manzanar and Dachau and some FEMA camps and tell me I wear blinders. get your mussle connected rear ends up off you internet stuck comment games and look at the real world of this broken government in the beltway and see what the true Americans will do if this POTUS tries to destroy our Constitution. What I have seen in 14,000 rural miles of viewing is a non-complacent populace who will not abide Democrat or Republican take over of this country. They have put their bets on the likes of the real people who are out there making this country work and hope and they are those that call them selves Patriots, not Tea Party Patriots but American Patriots who love this country and will not give up on her and will not allow progressive, socialist, or communist believers (like George Soros', billionaire Nazi, who just joined the Marxist Hillary for President fund raising group). They are the sleeping giant that was woken up by the realization that Obamacare was a means to and end and all the other garbage regulations attached to it out of Agenda 21 would be the destruction of this country and that is the real reason the government will be shut down because the parts of this nation will not be allowed to continue to destroy the Constitution and rights under it of real American citizens. Marshall Law or not! When you have Navy Seals and retired Generals openly letting commentators know that the benchmark for being in the military is whether or not you will fire on American Citizens then you better open your eyes or turn and run back to your American Idol and reality TV shows for the reality in the world has escaped you!!!

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  • Dink LaneOctober 25, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    Judith: Really? Marxism--Obama uses it as a bible?....... Soros a Nazi ? (14-yr old scared Jewish boy in 1940 held papers for the Jewish Council -- makes him a Nazi.) ....... Agenda 21 (UN has power over the US Constitution?) ......... Military Law..... Generals and Navy Seals are coming to get us? for Obama? ...... I KNOW! Let's call Cheney! ...... Cheney didn't let those 14-yr old paper carriers and Navy Seals get us.... He's got superpowers in his pace-maker........ We were safe then...... except.... 9/11.... but that's wasn't his fault..... It was Nancy Pelosi's fault because she had the teacher give the "My Pet Goat" book to Pres. "Baby" Bush...... Judith, I have always respected you.... but this "They're coming to get us" talk is NUTS!. Can you get your plane to land before it crashes?

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  • James E.October 24, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    FEMA Camps on a level with Dachau? I've never been to a FEMA camp (anyone got any pictures), but I have been to Dachau. I don't think they are exactly the same. Those darn "real/true Americans" who are going to revolt if the president destroys our Constitution. Those "real/true Americans" can best be described as BS artists regarding their revolt. "Real/true Americans" work, no one else in America does. "Real/true Americans" will ---------- Marshall Law (sic) or not. Who is this guy Marshall and his law? Hmmm, Judith, make that Martial Law. Note to Judith: When you use the term "real/true Americans" you are immediately identified as a person who will not be given any credibility.

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  • cookie65October 25, 2013 - 6:57 am

    Government is simply a word for the system envisioned by the founders to protect the inalienable rights of the citizens. Among these are LIFE, LIBERTY and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. The progthink, which establishes such nonsense as a social contract, equal outcome, wealth redistribution, confiscatory and discriminatory taxation is nothing more than those who envy success using oppressive government to do for them what they are neither willing or capable of doing for themselves. Those who fought for and won independence of this nation spoke in the most rancid terms of such philosophies. Theft sounds much more palatable when you call it "fair share".

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  • cookie65October 25, 2013 - 7:25 am

    The title of this letter is an oxymoron. Groupthink koolaid guzzling leftists DON'T learn.

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  • cookie65October 25, 2013 - 7:51 am

    This is the description fair share offers of itself from its homepage. "Fair Share stands for an America where everyone gets their fair share, does their fair share, and pays their fair share; and where everyone plays by the same rules." The only part of this complete misrepresentation of reality that is even remotely accurate to their objective is the part about 'everyone gets their fair share'. Interestingly, the only part that has any relationship to reality is also the part that is the furthest from reality in a free society. I guess their utopia is reliant on statism. Because everyone getting their fair share is only possible in society when the government determines everything for everyone. Communism sounds pretty inviting the way fair share disguises it.

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  • cookie65October 25, 2013 - 8:27 am

    The MD isn't the only place this tripe has been published.

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  • Jim RiordanOctober 25, 2013 - 10:30 am

    Frankly, I am sick and tired of all of them. While everyone debates the viability of either party, the fact is this Government is collectively ruining this great Nation. Don't forget that cuts to Medicare which recipients worked for and EARNED and Veterans benefits for the people who courageously protect this Country, were to be cut in a few weeks if no "resolution" was reached. In my opinion, ALL of the Legislator's and the President's salaries and benefits should be the very first things totally cut. Get 'em all out and let's start over! And, BTW, welcome to life in California , ranked 48th out 50 states because of all the giveaways to the undeserving and Draconian taxation and over-regulation of businesses. Businesses will continue to cut back full timers and do what ever else that they have to do to avoid the idiocy of National and Statewide "mandates". Yet all the while, these fools in Washington fail to understand the impending impact of their mindless threats to "increase the debt ceiling", or worse, defaulting on debts, which WILL cause the increasingly worthless dollar to lose the status of World Reserve Currency. Wonder whom they will try to blame the catastrophic impact and aftermath of that on? Surely not themselves! From the top down, anyone who tramples our Constitution, as is being done daily now, should be removed from office and kicked outa town! Note: A friend recently back from a vacation in Italy tried to pay a taxi driver in dollars and the driver refused to accept them and would not let them out of the cab. Another friend who had local currency had to approach the cab and pay our friend's fare so he could be let out. And the fools in Washington rave on. I am truly sorry to see my great Country head down the toilet but I believe we are past the point of no return.

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  • rodOctober 25, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    Judith, Well laid out narrative. Martial law has been signed, sealed and is awaiting delivery by the pres. One tremor, One more travon martin punk or any intentional setup starting a race war will invoke martial law. This is the key to completing Obama's 'fundamental change' end product, to be implemented by his 'domestic police force equal to our military' Dept of Homeland Security. We may soon learn who the FEMA camps were intended to house. All this CHANGE is precisely the natural evolution our founding fathers foresaw, the very things they tried to prevent. When we step away from the tenets of the Constitution we find quicksand. It has been demonstrated by every civilization in history... over ... and over...

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  • rodOctober 25, 2013 - 12:31 pm

    Judith, you may recall in 2010 when the National Defense Authorization Act was passed in congress, Pres Obama said he would not sign it with amendment 1028 (martial law authority). When it got to his desk , he signed it AND WROTE next to his signature " I will not enforce this", words to that effect. We now know through a long list of what he says, and what he does, are entirely different. His actions, with few exceptions, have unequivocally defined the term "bald faced liar"... any questions?

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  • Dink LaneOctober 26, 2013 - 11:02 am

    OH.... I'm scared..... the big old Bad man.... he's skinny with a funny sounding name..... He's going OVERRIDE the whole legislative branch..... all the judges are going to stay in their chambers...... shaking in their robes.... all branches of the military are going to stand down...... because the skinny kid with a funny sounding name ............. made a "Signature Statement" .... (Baby Bush did over 300 of them)..... But, but, that guy...... Obama (notice how you can't give him rightly title--President because he scares you so much) he's going to take over the world....... Like in some Batman movie ......... Do you guy have any idea how NUTS you sound?..... Maybe it's time to turn the TV off and go for a walk....

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  • EvelynOctober 26, 2013 - 11:06 am

    Dink: I don't have TV, and I've just returned from a walk!!!

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  • EvelynOctober 26, 2013 - 11:10 am

    P.S. I was never a fan of Bush, and I'm not a fan of Obama. But, referencing your comment, I fail to see the distinction between speaking of Baby Bush and whatever the current pejorative may be for Obama.

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  • Judith MathatOctober 26, 2013 - 11:42 am

    James, "Martial" law is correct, sometimes the older I get the later I stay up, the less I edit copy correctly and find any reason in the likes of the Dink and James philosophies! To their diatribes I can only say: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin; Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” For this President to enact the War Powers Act or use “Martial Law” against “real American” Patriots, he will be opening a Pandora’s Box known only to men who understand the truth in the history of past failed civilizations, this brings to mind Winston Churchill’s quote on the matter of wielding war, abroad or at home: “Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. ” So to the Dinks and James of the world, caution about the allowance of siding with a despot who believes that transforming America to his Marxist puppeteers views will only create for all of you like thinkers; unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

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  • James E.October 26, 2013 - 11:49 am

    Judith, Dink didn't suggest Martial Law. I didn't suggest Martial Law. You did, so don't harangue us over Martial Law.

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  • Judith MathatOctober 28, 2013 - 12:45 am

    James you must be getting older than I thought I was agreeing with you criticism of my spelling, no wonder I rarely suffer my time on this forum as it is impossible for most of you liberal thinking spewers to follow your own retorts.

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  • (ʘ_ʘ)October 26, 2013 - 3:32 pm

    not much

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  • DanielOctober 26, 2013 - 4:12 pm

    Well, we learned that just like their interpretations of the Bible and the Constitution, the Tea Party folks have a very selective and self-serving interpretation of their own "small government" ideology. The instant after the government shut down, they were outraged, OUTRAGED I tell you, about the parts of big government they truly love being out of commission. Keep your big government hands of the big government stuff I like or benefit from, they say. The rest of the stuff - what I don't like or doesn't benefit me - is pure socialism, so that all needs to go, they say. Who knew the Tea Party loved (selective) Big Government so much!

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  • cookie65October 27, 2013 - 7:08 am

    Daniel, I would love to see what you could do with your extremely creative imagination if you directed towards something constructive.

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  • cookie65October 27, 2013 - 7:45 am

    "YOU LIE!!!" -- Rep. Joe Wilson September 9, 2009. The only honest person in the room.

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  • Jesus H ChristOctober 27, 2013 - 12:27 pm

    Tom McClintock was in that room. 'nuff said.

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  • James E.October 27, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    Dee, I wish someone would tell President Obama about this.

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  • James E.October 27, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Boy, thank God I have a military ID card, so I will be able to get through the road blocks and also eat in the officer's dining room.

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  • James E.October 27, 2013 - 8:07 pm

    Or, should I say dine.

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  • EvelynOctober 27, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    Dine is fine. Eat is . . . common.

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  • James E.October 27, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    Evelyn, any way we could get our hands on some of those signs? Would make great collector items.

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  • EvelynOctober 27, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    My scouts are out now. Will report soonest.

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  • James E.October 27, 2013 - 8:14 pm

    Evelyn, officers of course dine.

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  • EvelynOctober 27, 2013 - 8:18 pm

    . . . as is only right.

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  • Dee#1October 27, 2013 - 8:56 pm

    Geez Evelyn, I think that is a rumour that I will put in my "please don't let it be true file". That file is becoming unwielding; FEMA camps; para-military law enforcement ; IRS audits and blocking of opponents participating in the political process; continued surveillance of our e-mails, internet use, telephone calls, and use of our credit cards; labeling Evangelists, Catholics, Tea Partiers as terrorists; etc. Many of these should be moved to the "it is true file", but it saddens me.

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  • James E.October 28, 2013 - 9:44 am

    Jobs first, deficit second. When will DC get the message?

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