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From page A5 | September 30, 2013 | 36 Comments

EDITOR:

We are having a huge “land use” problem in El Dorado County, and people need to be responding accordingly. Chris Daley wrote a great synopsis of the current Measure Y issue as presented to our Board of Supervisors on Aug. 26 (“Pro-growth, no-growth, slow-growth: BOS listens to public points”). How many people remember Measure Y? If you are a developer, you probably hate it. If you are a resident, especially one who commutes on Highway 50, you love it, and you love it because Measure Y is what will keep your commute from becoming Bay-Area-esque in the next 5-10 years.

That’s just Measure Y. What about LUPPU? Does the average person know what it is? The ongoing implementation process of LUPPU is aimed at propping up a General Plan that reflects growth in our county that cannot be accommodated within our infrastructure limitations. This is not an attack on LUPPU so much as a plea to redirect its path.

Our supervisors appear to be trying to do the right thing by listening, thus special meetings like the one coming up on Sept. 30. I am not “no growth;” I am pro-responsible growth. Taking park space and dense oak woodland for housing we don’t need, approving subdivisions without infrastructure and arenas lacking adequate site egress, is not responsible.

Residents need to get past the chaos to understand that while they are out just trying to live their lives, these land use issues are being “resolved” around them, and not necessarily in their best interests.

ELLEN VAN DYKE
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  • Fran DuchampSeptember 30, 2013 - 8:17 am

    come to the BOS meeting today at 10:00 am 9-30-2013. FIGHT BACK

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  • Demand AccountabilitySeptember 30, 2013 - 10:24 pm

    So, Ellen...after today's Board of Supervisors meeting...do you know the answer? Who is planning EDC growth? Why, Parker Development, of course...

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  • Compass2TruthOctober 01, 2013 - 7:59 am

    The 9/30 Land Use meeting went on until after 9PM last night. Where was reporter Chris Daley...or anyone from the media for that matter? Item #1 started off with several citizens who spoke up against LUPPU, often referred to by many as "PUPPU." Are the BOS really listening to the will of constituents, or have the decisions already been made in favor of the big developers? Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 8:07 am

    Lupu is a fraud. CEDAC and CEDAPP are small groups of people who feel they have the right to rule the county. Yet...they seem to be answering to "staff" how is that so. I watched as the BOS stalled on issues...waited for the "staff" to give an answer...then go by what they said. They could have voted last night...and chose not to.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 8:22 am

    A letter of intent...indent: the thing that you plan to do or achieve; a usually clearly formulated or planned intention--such as a RESOLUTION OF INTENTION. Ms. Kerr--that is twice now where you have purposely misled the audience.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 10:15 am

    LUPU is a scam.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 10:44 am

    "This is not an attack on LUPPU so much as a plea to redirect its path." well for me--it is an attack...every presentation has had false numbers...when CEDAC presented and now when the agency presents its it....it is a scam...a stall...a misrepresentation of the facts. How many involved...many. READ. The easiest scam in the world is the manipulation of numbers and graphs. Flowcharts to no where....dancing deer...lolol...apples and grapes....oh forgot the spiders. LUPU is a scam. Community visioning...if Harper has been invited to represent Pollock Pines...that is a scam as well...no one has chosen a "visioning" ....oh unless it is her ten people...lololol. LUPU being called PUPU-shrugging shoulders...its a scam. It is a sales pitch...they are selling "snake oil" to a group who is suffering from economic down fall...come to the meetings...read. The developers are waiting to sweep in and "save" you. Scam...lololol. WAKE UP

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  • They Work for UsOctober 01, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    The focus on LUPPU as the source of the problem is misplaced...If LUPPU was stopped dead in its tracks, there are still 20,000 units remaining to be built under the General Plan. GP Policies require compliance with Measure Y and mandate that new development provide needed infrastructure as a condition of approval. No water, no roads...no houses. ...The REAL problem is the General Plan amendments proposing to add 7,000 MORE UNITS...increasing the GP capacity by 35%...from 20,000 to 27,000 UNITS... The new Marble Valley project alone will drop a city the size of Placerville down along Highway 50, with no apparent plans to fix the traffic problems it creates.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 3:09 pm

    LUPU is what everyone hides behind. It is "the excuse"...it is the scam. Out of those 20,000...did you remove the vacant land? The whole idea of future projections is false numbers--it is the "sale." surveys that have been done with baselines of less than 400 for a county--sometimes several counties...come on. READ. The BOSS knows. I think the saddest part is the people being dragged with it. They will be crushed that they were not really as important as they thought. Why else would key people be in charge--be people who have never run a business ? (wink) Kerr took presentations away from CEDAC...interesting. The housing is based on projections...LUPPU is what a ...guide to a plan--seriously? Last night I came home and researched the line around Camino/Pollock--it could have been voted on last night...it could have been removed. The BOS are bright people...nine years--right. They chose not to--they are stalling--I just spoke with another person afraid for their home--their landlord is putting up their building. Economic development...yep--lets not care about the people and their children who live in the buildings being bought and sold....LUPU is a scam.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 3:11 pm

    lolol...slip of the tongue...BOSS to BOS...lollo

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  • BrendaOctober 01, 2013 - 6:01 pm

    Mike Renalli seems to be be knee deep in this LUPPU issue. Who is he working for? I think he's the developers boy!

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  • They Work for Us...October 01, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Fran: I don't quite understand your question... the 20,000 units are all on vacant land planned in the GP for future development. Some are lots already created...mostly in El Dorado Hills, while some units are planned where lots would be created in the future from existing larger parcels... The forecasts are about population growth, and they're probably on the low side, if history is any indicator. From 2000 to 2010 we grew by nearly 25,000 people...about 15.8%, or 1.58% per year, on average. They're not based on surveys, they're based on the Federal Census...the door-to-door count by workers hired for just that purpose. I heard Ray Nutting say several times that the forecast is a little over 1% per year... California Department of Finance says over the next 20 years, our population will increase 30%... again, based on their historical data... not on "surveys"... Does this help clarify?

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  • They Work for UsOctober 01, 2013 - 7:32 pm

    Brenda: What are you talking about? Renalli had no part of what happened yesterday...unless he was wearing a Ron Briggs mask or dressed in drag as Norma Santiago... What you saw was three supervisors showing a clear preference to help out Parker... with a nod to public input that they'll ultimately blow off in the end.

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  • BrendanOctober 01, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    Brenda is Scott McNeil in drag clearing the playing field for his own BOS run.

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  • BrendaOctober 01, 2013 - 7:59 pm

    Brendan - Huh???

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 8:28 pm

    Transportation models were off surveys...what things would look like are off surveys...the numbers have never been the same. Responses to questions are compiled--and presented. Ask for the base line. At one meeting someone mentioned--oh--that would just be 18,000 off in projected population...7200 less units needed and that was just a quick guess at the forecast ed numbers. LUPPU uses many different numbers to come up with what is projecting. Flow charts are off. When I asked about the vacant lots..it was because I was at one meeting where those were forgotten...and someone pointed it out. I am saying that what I have seen is many numbers that keep changing...and many people saying--oh yes...I forgot to add that...or no--that should not read those numbers. I was not being mean in any way. Again I have seen numbers five times...and there seems to always be a problem. The general plan is just a plan...the danger is in the amendments. A slight change can allow more density just because of the words being used. Last night for illustrating a point about hwy 50 being as an LOS "f"--they diluted the data by using a wider span of the hwy (yet talk about the correct information while showing the slide--which is what happened.). Numbers and graphs can be manipulated easily Everyone keeps saying 20,000 units...some say over several years--some say now. It is all based off of the 2010 census...many have left this county--no work. Without jobs--no one is coming and staying for long. Everything is for sale up here...this happen once before in recent history. Provide the jobs. As far as LUPPU--go to the BOS site..look at all the power points...line them all up...listen to the meetings...and come back and share. LUPPU is the "excuse." Any time data is collected...it is done through surveys...right now the biggest seems to be how anything will effect the environment. With traffic--it was personal questions...computer data...which is counting frequency of behaviors and conditions. You need to pay attention to base lines of the population answering the questions. Up here the advisory meeting claimed 70+ people came...sounds nice---but that would actually be less than 1% of the population. shrugging shoulders...I am not the expert on LUPPU--I just know what I see when I go to these meetings. The BOS itself--these are smart people...dont ever underestimate that.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 8:42 pm

    sorry when diluting the information on the hwy--it made it appear that we were not at level "f" down by the area that was first spoken about having traffic problems. The speaker said the correct answer--that there is a problem--but people were looking at the graphics instead. and this became apparent when people would talk. Ms Santiago pointed out the that the graph was not showing what was needed. Still comments throughout the night talked about level "e" instead of level "f." --visuals are powerful tools.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 8:55 pm

    Renalli ? I saw the BOS stall on issues that they could have voted on. The work for Pollock was already completed in 2009...going back to 2008. Renalli seems to believe what he is doing. He doesnt seem to want to rule the world...some of the women do. I dont know the developers...with the exception of the "suit" wars....reminds me of LA. I give credit to the developers trying to "fit in"...someone needs to help them pick out cheaper play clothes. Last night belonged to the BOS...they ran the show--LUPPU was the "excuse" to postpone items. I left at 8...I was tired. I hate those chairs--if money is going to be spent--it should be to fix up their meeting room. Someone recently asked a question about their ADA compliance...I said to go sit at a BOS meeting...and not worry about it. As long as they are trying to comply.

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  • Marcus FareOctober 01, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    Fran - you are that plump, nosey, older lady that's always running around in your TP Cruiser right?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 9:02 pm

    they're based on the Federal Census...which is a survey people fill out :)

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 9:10 pm

    Fran - you are that plump, nosey, older lady that's always running around in your TP Cruiser right? lololol...I am overweight--I claim fat--some because of the medication I have to take and the range of motion due to my disabilities--the swelling in my legs is the neurapathy--they cant do anything about that. Im 54. TP Cruiser right? <-----not sure about this one...lolol....And I am polite...which you are not...lololol Well hope you got that out of your system. lololol

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 9:11 pm

    LUPPU is a scam.

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  • James E.October 01, 2013 - 9:29 pm

    Fran, plump, nosey, older lady is a badge of honor. Wear it with pride.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 01, 2013 - 9:38 pm

    I do James...I am so happy to be able to walk the amount I can after the accident...and write even just a little ...Im okay with the rest. I just dont drive a TP Cruiser. lololol..and im more than plump--and I am okay with that as well. Today I am happier than I have been throughout many years of great times. People who think they know me...really dont. I hit a sore point...they will have to get over it. But thank you ♥ and with that good night.

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  • They Work for Us...October 01, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    Fran: James is right...and Marcus is wrong. Reasonable people can disagree but personal attacks do not help the dialogue. Too many numbers for me, though, at this time of night. More tomorrow...

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 05, 2013 - 11:19 am

    Not just the suburbs anymore: can the suburban community of El Dorado Hills, California become a sustainable suburb? http://csus-dspace.calstate.edu/handle/10211.9/1869 The report itself is very interesting (this is just the abstract)--the people who helped are interesting as well...part of her report has been quoted in a few places...she obtained her degree. She is found at County of Sacramento Real Estate Division, Real Estate Officer II. She still resides in our county.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 05, 2013 - 11:31 am

    Related articles to the last post http://tinyurl.com/npqahor

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 05, 2013 - 7:23 pm

    From the report...where i posted the abstract link before...."Open discussion On December 10, 2009, the County Board of Supervisors approved a General Plan Amendment to change regulation for mixed-use developments. It allowed for horizontal mixed-use with commercial in front (such as storefronts) and residential in the back (such as cottages). It also allowed dwelling units to be parcelized. The amendment was primarily driven by developers. Yet to this day, no developers have submitted any applications. It is very difficult to finance mixed-use developments. With the recent real estate market crash, demand for such products has not materialized. If the real estate market improves and market demand evolves toward mixed-use developments, the Marble Valley area (concentrated within the vicinity of Bass Lake Road and Highway 50) could be a plausible site for such product. However, four developers must work together in order for such a development to come to fruition. Bottom line is… it is all about economics/money: demand and financing

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 05, 2013 - 7:39 pm

    From same report: INTERVIEW QUESTIONNAIRE AND RESULTS Andrea Howard, Principal Planner Parker Development (Ms. Howard answers the questions.) "Open discussion Walkable and sustainable developments are possible in the valley setting, along El Dorado Hills Boulevard, where existing infrastructure is already in place-infills. Public transit, bicycle lanes, walkability is possible along the Boulevard. Public perception for such developments is the key. Current residents do not exactly have an affinity for high-density or compact or commercial developments near their homes. It would take some education and creativity." Not Just the Suburbs Anymore - California State University ..http://tinyurl.com/oawuann

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 05, 2013 - 7:48 pm

    On June 16, 2009, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) together with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and the U. S. Department of Transportation (DOT) formed the Partnership for Sustainable Communities, a collaboration between the three federal agencies to help improve access to affordable housing, create more transportation options and lower Americans’ transportation costs while protecting the environment in communities nationwide. http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/partnership

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 06, 2013 - 9:45 am

    How corruption deepened Detroit's crisis http://tinyurl.com/l49folq" On Thursday, Kilpatrick will be sentenced for 24 corruption convictions" "But much more difficult to quantify is the nonmonetary cost of corruption: the betrayal of the public's trust. The honest contractors who were elbowed out of deals, even though their bids were lower. The businesses that refused to participate in pay-to-play schemes and just stayed away — or went somewhere else." Interesting...grants.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 06, 2013 - 9:48 am

    "Winters noted that public corruption doesn't always deter economic development".(link posted)..everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Just making interesting observations about what is happening across america...in the name of economic development.

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 06, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    I think the use of eminent-domain takeovers--are far worse than The ADA issues that people fought against--here in Pollock Pines- It’s time to knock out National City, California’s eminent domain abuse Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/26/its-time-to-knock-out-national-city-californias-eminent-domain-abuse/#ixzz2gyWe1wxp

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  • DivinoOctober 10, 2013 - 6:23 am

    This is the Parker Development representative, Kirk Bone, that spoke to the BOS and the public in attendance September 30,2013. Here So, who is planning ED growth?

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  • Fran DuchampOctober 10, 2013 - 8:25 am

    The thesis I have asked everyone to read...was guided by Andrea Howard. Principal Planner at Parker Development Company...she provides answers to the Ellen Desvarro (who is now a realtor..) for the completion to her report. http://www.csus.edu/uld/thesis-project/bank/2012/Desvarro.pdf It sets some statements--then descibes how one would have to" creatively" go about getting EDH to go along.--it was written in 2012. Listen at BOS meetings where a developer gets excited and says softly--we have been working on this for a very long time--or we have been working on this for 20 years. Developers would also have to work on the parks and trails in order to "develop"...there are many grants being sent out. Just like in the places that went bankrupt.

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  • DivinoOctober 11, 2013 - 12:40 pm

    I don't think that Kirk Bone of Parker Development spoke softly when he chastised the Board Of Supervisors, 9-30-2013, for trying to pass a new Early Review policy with a retroactive clause. Please view this performance to see how the developers are trying to influence the BOS. What we don't know is what kind of tactics they are using behind closed doors.

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