Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Who will you blame now?


So saddened to hear the permit for Hangtown Haven will not be renewed. My thought is who will you blame for the trash, nuisance, etc. after HH is closed and gone away?

I have been reading the letters and articles written, and I have to say I am embarrassed that so many people are blaming all on some. I feel it’s wrong to blame an entire population for the actions of a few.

This issue will not go away, it needs to be dealt with. I have no answers and will not pretend to, I just wish people would be a little more open-minded.


Letters to the Editor


Discussion | 22 comments

  • MorrisNovember 18, 2013 - 4:26 pm

    They won't.

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  • cookie65November 20, 2013 - 8:24 am

    the mirror speaks.

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  • kggNovember 20, 2013 - 8:19 am

    we had part of the answer up until last friday. hangtown haven was a success.

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  • Fran DuchampNovember 20, 2013 - 8:25 am

    Ms. Lori...the documentation shows it was not the people of the Haven. I am sorry they were the scapegoat.

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  • rodNovember 20, 2013 - 10:22 am

    The answer is pretty obvious really but few are discussing the big picture. Its not hard to understand, our calif government, HHR and associated agencies are releasing and dispersing a growing population of homeless away from major urban areas for a reason, they don't want increasing crime in their backyards. Like most problems, this one is 'triangular' . The Haven was a positive influence, a real helping hand for those wanting to improve themselves and willing to accept 'community rules' but it was in the wrong spot, it was becoming more visible as a growing traffic hazard. And it was associated with a completely different phenomenon, programmed offender releases. The third corner of the triangle is still the Upper Room. It is the primary draw for transients being released (by design). One end is pushing them here and the other end is pulling, not hard to understand. The upper room certainly has a valid function for the local poor and aged, but it is on 'the map' for continued releases. The big city planners have decided the problem of urban degradation is best hidden in rural areas. The Upper Room has become a magnet for the more desperate, like feeding your cat on the backporch, and having skunks move in. Does the city of Placerville need a picture drawn for them? Consolidate these facilities back to the urban areas where the problem originates, and quit sending your homeless here. The Hangtown Haven was intended as an experiment for the local population of needy, halleluiah!, let's find a fitting place for it and support our local needy... and tell the big cities to take care of their own problems.

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  • Diane RakeNovember 20, 2013 - 10:33 am

    The sad part is, the Hangtown Haven residents were a group of decent, down on their luck, people. They were slowly turning their lives around. The ne'er do wells homeless population who congregated in that area, who were not a part of the Hangtown Haven family, will still be there. That will not change. What foolishness this was to close a successful homeless camp. Diane R.

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  • PatriceNovember 20, 2013 - 10:38 am

    Lori, yes, some in our community entirely blame the homeless for the trash, nuisance, etc. with tunnel vision and it is their way of somehow, magically getting rid of the homeless. The homeless will remain and face greater hardships, with greater desperation. The city/merchants on Broadway will have no excuse now not to clean up and refresh the area.

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 20, 2013 - 11:05 am

    This is a snapshot in many ways of the country. A majority at HH were reported to be in the process of receiving Govt. benefits which will allow them to relocate to some type of stable housing arrangement for a reasonable solution for now. A tent camp is temporary and not something that works in winter. There is something more to this. Nationwide, there is an increasing number of people without traditional housing and employment and now loss of health care insurance or new bankrupt policies if someone gets sick, and there are far too many covering this reality up. There are nearly 100 million who were shifted out of the work force and they are being shifted onto govt. programs like SSI/SSDI and as a result, they are instantly in the poverty ranks as are the nearly 50 million on welfare for an all time high which should be the most important headline, but the reality is covered up. The poverty rate continues to climb to record levels. The numbers don't lie. Where is the outrage? Many are starting to see the light now. The huge percentage of missing tax payers, unless reversed, in a Carter to Reagan policy shift, will have an on-going major nationwide social and economic impact as the numbers continue to rise.

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  • rodNovember 20, 2013 - 12:00 pm

    We're finding out the 'numbers' do lie Frank. You're right on target but like sooooo many lies from this admin, now we're finding out the unemployment numbers were skewed in favor of Ojamba just before the last election. Another congressional investigation is pending..... and another.... and another....

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  • rodNovember 20, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    When I first heard the phrase "Chicago style politics" I pictured Ojamba with a tommy gun and his opponents in concrete shoes.... hahaha. But looks like extortion, blackmail, trickery, slander, robbery, framing, blaming, perjury, greed, power, pandering, forgery, conspiracy and asscovering have been learned well.

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  • Edh MomsNovember 20, 2013 - 12:27 pm

    Homeless tent cities/shanty's have been set up for the homeless to live - YEAR ROUND. Seattle, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco cities to name a few....people in foreign countries have to live this way. How can anyone say this is not possible when the temperature gets colder! At least these people have a roof over their head and are not alone. I just hope that Placerville business and homes will be happy when the homeless have to take a dump in the bushes near their homes! Should have just left them alone - you would not be pointing any fingers when you have walked a mile in their shoes.....Many El Dorado County residents and business people that think they "run this town" better think of a solution to the situation that won't go has been happening for decades - fix the problem and find a solution.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 20, 2013 - 12:50 pm

    Maybe EDH can set up a nice place for them to live. Remember, that HH was a TEMPORARY permit situation, and it's has expired.

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  • Edh MomsNovember 20, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    blah, blah, blah....Another one...full of lame solutions...Life is temporary...yet we remain for many decades. Make a difference - No one wants to help - only complain! The homeless don't look very different from the many residents there already.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 20, 2013 - 5:10 pm

    I thought I was suggesting another alternative. But apparently EDh moms don't want a homeless camp in their neck of the woods, even tho the elevation is a little friendlier to tents. Funny how that works isn't it?:)

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  • Smith flat residentsNovember 20, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    I didn't know the moms in eldorado hills were such hypocritical snobs I do now.

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  • Smith flat residentsNovember 20, 2013 - 2:30 pm

    Don't we have a leash law in this county?

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  • Smith flat residentsNovember 20, 2013 - 2:46 pm

    Edh moms do you kiss your children with that mouth?

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  • 1036-FrankNovember 20, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    The answer to this situation occurred when the people in the tent camp, knowing the permit might not be renewed, began applying for govt. benefits, if they didn't have them already, as a means to solve their own life challenges and circumstances and find a more permanent living arrangement, which isn't a tent on the ground at this elevation. If all the people receiving these benefits were required to first spend them on their housing, which often is federally subsidized to very low levels of a couple hundred a month, and then pay their utilities and then only legit food items by some form of auto- deduction and restriction, combined with drug testing which should be mandatory to receive free tax payer funds, many of the people in need could find a solution to their situations using the system in place. More people these days need a no non-sense "life navigator" or social worker or Conservator to make decisions for them if they can't.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 20, 2013 - 5:13 pm

    1036-Frank: You got it right!

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  • cookie65November 21, 2013 - 6:26 am

    There are particular events that expose how certain words have fluid meanings. Hangtown Haven offers such an example. I have seen the word "success" used quite frequently. Success seems to have lost some meaning since it now describes how comfortable we can make people during their stay at the bottom and the fact that they have achieved the bottom. Hospice is considered a success by the same measurement. I see the word "compassion". obamavilles have popped up all over the country and the term applied to being stuck on the bottom is "compassion". I remember Cher has some quotes from years ago when we had less than half the homeless we do now and she didn't use the word compassion. Her "compassion" seems to be silence now. I've seen the words "dignity", "safety", "security", "community" and many others. Our standards have sunk pretty low if these words apply to living in a tent. Those words would be more applicable to living in a cave. So I guess our pre-historic ancestors would be the envy of those who have been the victims of progressivism. The homelessness, the poverty, the suffering and the slow steady decline of the standard of living in this country are all effects of ascendancy of leftism. Which is what gives us a diminished meanings to some old words. nancy pelosi suggested that the term "food stamp president" was a badge of honor. Softening the standards of how we measure achievement and results makes leftism look less destructive. How many years how has the imposter-in-chief been "focused" on jobs? Exactly how compassionate are those who support the soft tyranny of excessive taxation, the suffocating effects of over regulation, the elimination of jobs thru massive government interference. Poverty grows in direct relationship to the expansion of government. Altering, changing, diminishing the meanings of words is useful in dumbing down people to accept what should be unacceptable. Especially in a country which has created more wealth than any other in history. I will add a cookieism to illustrate the evil that is leftism. We are also the country which has had more wealth confiscated than any nation in history. And poverty has exploded as a result. The left calls it compassion.

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  • Kristy CrowderNovember 21, 2013 - 9:38 am

    Cookie: If the left gets any more compassionate, we will all be homeless!

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  • cookie65November 21, 2013 - 9:47 am

    Kristy, on the path to leftist utopia those who are now suffering abject poverty and homelessness are just the first to arrive.

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